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Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 20:57 GMT
#801
GODAMNIT! If there is a roleblocker/jailkeeper this game I will strangle him with my fists.
Scum got pretty ballsy there.
He was shot for being obviously the most confirmed townie there is. Thankfully he wasn't really blue.
I'll assume we don't have one and there naught but a medic this game.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 21:03 GMT
#802
ALso, ##Vote debears
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
October 03 2012 22:16 GMT
#803
Uh, not sure what just happened. There are a few obvious options but I don't know if speculating will help us. One thing is for sure though, if anyone got roleblocked this is most certainly the time to claim.

Boson, looking at the role list there is only JK and scum roleblocker.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 22:17 GMT
#804
Actually you know what

##Unvote
##Vote Omniscient4983

You have a case against you. Defend yourself, and please let us know who you think is a good lynch.
If we straight up vote here, and debears ends up being town, this is going to be a wasted day.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 22:19 GMT
#805
On October 04 2012 07:16 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Uh, not sure what just happened. There are a few obvious options but I don't know if speculating will help us. One thing is for sure though, if anyone got roleblocked this is most certainly the time to claim.

Boson, looking at the role list there is only JK and scum roleblocker.


What are you talking about?
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
October 03 2012 22:34 GMT
#806
The setup in OP, town roleblocker isn't possible.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 22:38 GMT
#807
Yea, and because debears didn't get rb/jk, I'm thinking all we have is a medic. All mafia have is either framer or godfather (as I doubt he wouldnt have roleblocked until now). That makes me think we also have a cop as both those roles are only worth a damn if there is a cop. (Of course, nothing stops there not being a cop, it's just likely).
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
October 03 2012 22:47 GMT
#808
Alright, maybe I was misunderstanding what you were saying but yeah I agree, no one claiming RB pretty surely means those roles aren't around. I've seen some games with roles that have been left null because the lack of other roles (ie miller without any role checking role), so I'm not sure we can be certain. It seems likely though.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 22:49 GMT
#809
Ok, up until exactly XX:XX of tomorrow, I am going to assume debears is scum.

On October 03 2012 20:57 RemedySC wrote:
@ Omni

Alsn was a pretty hot topic during D2, yet you don't add much to the discussion. It looks like you are distancing yourself from a possible Alsn lynch.

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 03:08 Omniscient4983 wrote:
Debears without a doubt. Djodref I see as leaning town and Alsn is still pretty null / slightly scum for me, even after previewing some cases against him.


Here for example. You say Alsn is still pretty null / slightly scum after previewing some cases against him. Why don't you bring those up and try to get more information out of Alsn. If he is a hot topic and a likely lynch candidate, shouldn't you be looking into that a bit more?

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 03:08 Omniscient4983 wrote:
Overall, my slightly-town reads are:

Djodref, Corrosion, BosoN, and of course, Darth

My best scum read is Debears, and a slight scum-read is on Alsn.

The rest (especially Lesrah!!! haha) Are fairly null.


Here you say you have a slight scum read on Alsn. You don't give any reasons. There has been almost no information out of you that has to do with Alsn. He is on the verge of being lynched, and you seem to distance yourself from him.

Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 10:54 Omniscient4983 wrote:
I'll be reviewing the Alsn case tomorrow after my classes let out. I should be getting home just before lynch time, so I hope can get my thoughts in about Alsn. I'll consider changing my vote based upon these observations. Good night, gentlemen. See you at the gallows.


Lastly, you promise a case against Alsn, yet it never happens.

Conclusion - You are mafia distancing yourself from a possible Alsn lynch. You know he is going to flip town.


This is pretty good actually. I've went against Alsn full-force and all he's provided us is a "meh I think he's scum"
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 22:49 GMT
#810
EBWOP: assume debears is town
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 22:57 GMT
#811
debears, you were busted on XVII in the obs qt for your terrible town case.
What is your take of this:

On October 02 2012 07:40 Omniscient4983 wrote:
@RemedySC

I'm sure a few people have mentioned this about Corrosion: the fact that he "attacked" Darth, or, as someone said, "cast a scummy shadow" on him. At this point, he doesn't totally trust Darth because it's d1, and Kush isn't obvious scum yet. Personally, it seems like he is trying to be objective about the issue at hand. He points out a totally plausible case.
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 04:29 corrosion wrote:

One of the first things Darth did was to antagonize Kush:

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 06:58 kushm4sta wrote:
@sonic
getting everyone's thoughts on lurker policy is important. Don't argue about it but share your views on the matter please..

No it's not. It is simply a mechanism to get the discussion going and allows scum to seem to participate and to potentially mislynch an inactive townie. Any more talk of policy will get you FoS'd.


I'm thinking that this could easily be an attempt to start a fight that would result in derailing the thread.

Later, he mentions that Kush is indeed suspicious but doesn't want to focus on one person like Darth is. I don't see it as scum-motivation or an attack on Darth. I see it as common sense.

As for my post saying that his second reason for voting Kush was ridiculous: it was. It has nothing to do with Kush. He basically says that it would be better to pull a name out of a hat and lynch them than have a no-lynch.

However, I think he's coming off as genuinely newbie-town. He's trying to contribute. I also find this post to be very town-like.
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 00:29 corrosion wrote:
Darth's response was clear and to the point (pointing out the error in my post). I liked it.

I also think Remedy made good points:

+ Show Spoiler +

On September 29 2012 23:15 RemedySC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Let me just state the reasons that my vote is on Kush right now:

I'm sorry, but I don't believe these are reasons a town would choose to make a vote.

Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
1) I think his explanation of the slip was poor. If he had given a good explanation, I might have believed him.


So the scum slip itself doesn't give you good reason to vote for him, but his poor defense does? A mafia making a scum slip could have the best explanation in the world. That doesn't exonerate them.

Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
2) I've been thinking about who would benefit if the result is a no-lynch. I'm thinking mafia is likely to benefit the most from a no-lynch.

So your second reason isn't even something that Kush has done. Wouldn't you also say that mafia would benefit from a mis-lynch more than from a no-lynch? Could you elaborate more on the bolded part, because you give no explanation as to how a mafia would benefit more from a no-lynch.

Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Right now, I think that there's more than a 25 % chance that Kush is scum. Therefore, I'm voting for him. I'm not sure if any of these points are original. I'm having trouble keeping up with the thread, because I tend to get hanged up in details.

You would think a town would want to be more than 25% sure the person they are voting for is scum. You don't even have any cases made against kush. No questions asked. Very vague reasons given...




This looks like good scum-hunting to me. Well done.

He likes the feedback he is getting. If he were scum, he likely would have gotten very defensive about these points in efforts to exonerate himself. He admits faults; something I think scum would have a hard time doing.

That is just, in brief, why i have a slight-town read on Corrosion. Nothing decisive as of yet. Unfortunately, he says he won't be around to post much more, and can't be sure on my read of him if he ceases to post.

DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 03 2012 23:11 GMT
#812
GG. Goodluck town!
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 23:22 GMT
#813
GG Dp. I'll catch the last scum in your honor!

Also, Omni assumed corrosion townie, and actually made a half-assed case against RSC based on something RSC did not say. RSC didn't like corrosion's reason to vote for kush, not that he's attacking corrosion for voting kush, plus corrosion's weirdness regarding the lynch.

Of course, bad case != scum, but why the hell is he saying corrosion is town? If you look through corrosion's filter, he looks pretty damn scummy. RSC later pressured him because of this, and he felt pressured enough to make a full townie case on corrosion, that pretty much includes: "corrosion said nice case! scum don't like saying those things!".

I'm actually considering him for real as a day3 lynch.


On September 30 2012 07:21 Omniscient4983 wrote:
I've been reading through RemedySC's filter. I found his last post in particular a bit odd.

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Let me just state the reasons that my vote is on Kush right now:

I'm sorry, but I don't believe these are reasons a town would choose to make a vote.

On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
1) I think his explanation of the slip was poor. If he had given a good explanation, I might have believed him.



So the scum slip itself doesn't give you good reason to vote for him, but his poor defense does? A mafia making a scum slip could have the best explanation in the world. That doesn't exonerate them.

On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
2) I've been thinking about who would benefit if the result is a no-lynch. I'm thinking mafia is likely to benefit the most from a no-lynch.

So your second reason isn't even something that Kush has done. Wouldn't you also say that mafia would benefit from a mis-lynch more than from a no-lynch? Could you elaborate more on the bolded part, because you give no explanation as to how a mafia would benefit more from a no-lynch.

On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Right now, I think that there's more than a 25 % chance that Kush is scum. Therefore, I'm voting for him. I'm not sure if any of these points are original. I'm having trouble keeping up with the thread, because I tend to get hanged up in details.

You would think a town would want to be more than 25% sure the person they are voting for is scum. You don't even have any cases made against kush. No questions asked. Very vague reasons given...


I find it odd that RSC was attacking Corrosion for voting Kush. At this point in the game, RSC had already cast his vote for Kush, and his best reason was:

Show nested quote +
On September 29 2012 12:14 RemedySC wrote:

You [Kush] are not creating an ideal atmosphere.


RSC doesn't really have much motivation for voting Kush, other than the fact that he's disruptive to the gameplay environment. Yet, he picks apart Corrosion for voting him. I don't understand why he'd attack Corrosion's "poor reasons" at all. Take a look at the bolded part of the spoiler. He condemns Corrosion for not having made any cases again Kush, yet RSC himself hasn't done anything of the sort. RSC hasn't posted anything in regards to Kush being scum besides the "creating a bad atmosphere" and "not posting in a pro-town manner" argument. RSC doesn't seem to be any more sure than Corrosion is about lynching Kush, yet he is condemning Corrosion for having bad reasoning. His post seems hypocritical to me.

@RemedySC
Why, if you had voted Kush with such little evidence, were you outing Corrosion for doing something similar? You almost seemed as if you were defending Kush for no reason in this post.

I'm curious, and would like to hear your opinion on things.

Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 23:35 GMT
#814
Well, encourage you guys reading Omni's filter from a town perspective and a scum perspective. Including you, Shady Sands. Don't think you are off the hook, you are subbing someone who was pretty suspicious.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 23:35 GMT
#815
That should be about it. Have to leave. Might be back tonight.
Later!
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 04 2012 00:01 GMT
#816
@Darth
Thanks for playing. I realized that you were town too late, when it was staring me in the face the whole time. Hope to play with you again soon!

@Z-Bo

The problem with just attacking omni with the town read is a problem. Djo and others have done the same (I know djo has stuck up for other newbies, citing them as newbie town). They are having a problem of reading too much into each other's noobieness. Imo, it's one of the worst things you can do as noobieness.

Also, Djo has used his noobieness as an excuse multiple times. After I check your meta and ur filter z-bo I'll work on everyone else. Gotta make sure the last of the contributors are what I think they are

@Shady
Can you post some more please, scumhunting-wise?

You must realize the person you took over for was fairly scummy himself and we need to get some actual reads on you.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 04 2012 00:46 GMT
#817
Alright guys I will be back later tonight/early tomorrow at the latest with my thoughts on Z-Bo and the 2 noobies (Omni and Djo and RemedySC)
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 04 2012 01:35 GMT
#818
On October 04 2012 08:22 Z-BosoN wrote:
GG Dp. I'll catch the last scum in your honor!

Also, Omni assumed corrosion townie, and actually made a half-assed case against RSC based on something RSC did not say. RSC didn't like corrosion's reason to vote for kush, not that he's attacking corrosion for voting kush, plus corrosion's weirdness regarding the lynch.

Of course, bad case != scum, but why the hell is he saying corrosion is town? If you look through corrosion's filter, he looks pretty damn scummy. RSC later pressured him because of this, and he felt pressured enough to make a full townie case on corrosion, that pretty much includes: "corrosion said nice case! scum don't like saying those things!".

I'm actually considering him for real as a day3 lynch.


Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 07:21 Omniscient4983 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I've been reading through RemedySC's filter. I found his last post in particular a bit odd.

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Let me just state the reasons that my vote is on Kush right now:

I'm sorry, but I don't believe these are reasons a town would choose to make a vote.

On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
1) I think his explanation of the slip was poor. If he had given a good explanation, I might have believed him.



So the scum slip itself doesn't give you good reason to vote for him, but his poor defense does? A mafia making a scum slip could have the best explanation in the world. That doesn't exonerate them.

On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
2) I've been thinking about who would benefit if the result is a no-lynch. I'm thinking mafia is likely to benefit the most from a no-lynch.

So your second reason isn't even something that Kush has done. Wouldn't you also say that mafia would benefit from a mis-lynch more than from a no-lynch? Could you elaborate more on the bolded part, because you give no explanation as to how a mafia would benefit more from a no-lynch.

On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Right now, I think that there's more than a 25 % chance that Kush is scum. Therefore, I'm voting for him. I'm not sure if any of these points are original. I'm having trouble keeping up with the thread, because I tend to get hanged up in details.

You would think a town would want to be more than 25% sure the person they are voting for is scum. You don't even have any cases made against kush. No questions asked. Very vague reasons given...


I find it odd that RSC was attacking Corrosion for voting Kush. At this point in the game, RSC had already cast his vote for Kush, and his best reason was:

On September 29 2012 12:14 RemedySC wrote:

You [Kush] are not creating an ideal atmosphere.


RSC doesn't really have much motivation for voting Kush, other than the fact that he's disruptive to the gameplay environment. Yet, he picks apart Corrosion for voting him. I don't understand why he'd attack Corrosion's "poor reasons" at all. Take a look at the bolded part of the spoiler. He condemns Corrosion for not having made any cases again Kush, yet RSC himself hasn't done anything of the sort. RSC hasn't posted anything in regards to Kush being scum besides the "creating a bad atmosphere" and "not posting in a pro-town manner" argument. RSC doesn't seem to be any more sure than Corrosion is about lynching Kush, yet he is condemning Corrosion for having bad reasoning. His post seems hypocritical to me.

@RemedySC
Why, if you had voted Kush with such little evidence, were you outing Corrosion for doing something similar? You almost seemed as if you were defending Kush for no reason in this post.

I'm curious, and would like to hear your opinion on things.



This is one thing that irked me about Omni, and i was going to look into it more, but Djo pretty much says he has town reads on everyone but Debears and Stutters. The only two other people still in the game, and Stutters in Darth's view is town.

On October 03 2012 03:36 Djodref wrote:
First let me say that I'm getting a very strong town read on Z-BosoN and I really like his posts and his cases. I might be too gullible for a newbie but he definitively has an influence on my thinking process while I read the thread. Like him, I'm pretty much sure that debears/Alsn is our scumteam but I spent much more thinking time into debears.


On October 03 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote:
Last time I've checked Omni's filter, I had a slight town-read on him. I think he is a newbie town sheeping onto cases. To be honest, I think the same of the late corrosion, Remedy and Omni. I guess my filter has a little of the same flavor. So I easily sympathize with them and don't try to look more into it..


On October 01 2012 01:29 Djodref wrote:
His filter makes more sense with the second option, especially when I look at his latest posts.
So I have a mild town-read on him. SDM and Darth are for me almost confirmed townies so I feel bad to have them both suspecting me.


I'm going to have to go through both of them and see what I can come up with though.
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 04 2012 02:09 GMT
#819
Good morning everyone !

GG Darth. Your death is going to be avenged.

As promised yesterday, I start my day by voting debears

##Vote debears

I sum up here my main reasons to vote against him
[list]
[*]Association case with kush
[*]scumslip
[*]Reluctant to address relevant points against him
[*]it makes sense regarding kush's explosion
[*]WIFOM bombs
[/lists]

But there are are some points speaking for him. His scumhunting and his attitude towards me (not OMGUSing and being patient) are spreading some doubts in my mind and my resolution of yesterday has cooled down. Still, I'm not going to move my vote until we find a better target. I'll participate to the hunt tonight (I'm at work now^^).

See ya !
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 04 2012 02:10 GMT
#820
EBWOP:


  • Association case with kush
  • scumslip
  • Reluctant to address relevant points against him
  • it makes sense regarding kush's explosion
  • WIFOM bombs

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