• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:22
CEST 14:22
KST 21:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview4[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week 89 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL22] RO8 Bracket Stage + Another TieBreaker [ASL21] Semifinals B [ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1573 users

Newbie Mini Mafia XXVIII - Page 39

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 37 38 39 40 41 65 Next
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
October 03 2012 14:42 GMT
#761
EBWOP: what's the point
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 03 2012 14:49 GMT
#762
The point is to stop wasting time on debears and to start a discussion with the hypothesis that he would flip town.
I think I would be able to look more closely on other people if I'm sure that debears get his lynch.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 14:54 GMT
#763
DP I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss stutters.
I'm @ school so its hard to be useful atm, but game is leaning heavily in our favor. Like I said, rb/jail debears and we should be fine. Its a high possibility that the last scum is godfather, and that would make things a bit difficult. Medic would be wise to save me, dp or sdm.
I just want the info that debears is/isnt scum!
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
October 03 2012 14:59 GMT
#764
On October 03 2012 23:35 DarthPunk wrote:
I will vote debears if I am alive. alsn flipping town does not mean Debears is town. Although with Lesrah being red I could see scum Being a lurker. That being said I implore you to look at Shady and Djodref as they are the two other candidates that look scummiest IMO.


I was starting to get a town vibe from Djo but Shady, Remedy, Omni and Djo all needs to be looked into in detail. I'm having a sneaking suspicion that Omni won't be the only one who'll come off as scummy.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 03 2012 15:20 GMT
#765
On October 03 2012 23:54 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss stutters.
I'm @ school so its hard to be useful atm, but game is leaning heavily in our favor. Like I said, rb/jail debears and we should be fine. Its a high possibility that the last scum is godfather, and that would make things a bit difficult. Medic would be wise to save me, dp or sdm.
I just want the info that debears is/isnt scum!


Dude he was one part of the driving force behind the kush lynch. He along with SDM were the ones to resurrect it after I gave it up as a lost hope. Also he is conforming to his town meta with his Drop posts into afk. Meh it is possible that he is scum but I find it highly unlikely. Djo and shady seems scumm as hell to me. If I survive I will make a case on them. I know what I am looking at. I would do it now but I left it to too late and it is 1 am and I have uni tomorrow ^_^ So please read their filters critically.

Of course Roleblock whoever, but we don't know if we have a role blocker so we should not rely on it.

Anyway. Follow SDM. That is my call if I die and you feel that you must sheep.




"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 15:24 GMT
#766
On October 03 2012 23:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 23:35 DarthPunk wrote:
I will vote debears if I am alive. alsn flipping town does not mean Debears is town. Although with Lesrah being red I could see scum Being a lurker. That being said I implore you to look at Shady and Djodref as they are the two other candidates that look scummiest IMO.


I was starting to get a town vibe from Djo but Shady, Remedy, Omni and Djo all needs to be looked into in detail. I'm having a sneaking suspicion that Omni won't be the only one who'll come off as scummy.


come off as scummy I'm sure a lot of people will. Alsn, for example, did. We just gotta learn to differentiate them from townie scummy and scummy scummy
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 03 2012 15:25 GMT
#767
Also. Medic save/Jail the confirmed townie ^_^

(that's me BTW) <3
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 03 2012 15:27 GMT
#768
On October 04 2012 00:24 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 23:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:35 DarthPunk wrote:
I will vote debears if I am alive. alsn flipping town does not mean Debears is town. Although with Lesrah being red I could see scum Being a lurker. That being said I implore you to look at Shady and Djodref as they are the two other candidates that look scummiest IMO.


I was starting to get a town vibe from Djo but Shady, Remedy, Omni and Djo all needs to be looked into in detail. I'm having a sneaking suspicion that Omni won't be the only one who'll come off as scummy.


come off as scummy I'm sure a lot of people will. Alsn, for example, did. We just gotta learn to differentiate them from townie scummy and scummy scummy


Gah. Should have made the case today. It is there. I feel bad that I didn;t put any effort in today. Hopefully I won;t die. But i certainly don;t like my chances. Any way. sleep then school, i'll check when i get back from uni. BYE ALL <3
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 15:27 GMT
#769
On October 04 2012 00:20 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2012 23:54 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss stutters.
I'm @ school so its hard to be useful atm, but game is leaning heavily in our favor. Like I said, rb/jail debears and we should be fine. Its a high possibility that the last scum is godfather, and that would make things a bit difficult. Medic would be wise to save me, dp or sdm.
I just want the info that debears is/isnt scum!


Dude he was one part of the driving force behind the kush lynch. He along with SDM were the ones to resurrect it after I gave it up as a lost hope. Also he is conforming to his town meta with his Drop posts into afk. Meh it is possible that he is scum but I find it highly unlikely. Djo and shady seems scumm as hell to me. If I survive I will make a case on them. I know what I am looking at. I would do it now but I left it to too late and it is 1 am and I have uni tomorrow ^_^ So please read their filters critically.

Of course Roleblock whoever, but we don't know if we have a role blocker so we should not rely on it.

Anyway. Follow SDM. That is my call if I die and you feel that you must sheep.






Like I said, I wouldn't be quick to dismiss him. But if you read his kush arguments, it's also pretty much nothing new. There is such a thing as bussing, you know.
The reason why I think this makes SDM town but not stutters is that SDM added new meta-related arguments, which is totally hardcore to do if he's a bussing scum, which I don't think is what happened.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 15:29 GMT
#770
If someone gets saved by the medic, will they know about it?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 03 2012 15:30 GMT
#771
On October 04 2012 00:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 00:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:54 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss stutters.
I'm @ school so its hard to be useful atm, but game is leaning heavily in our favor. Like I said, rb/jail debears and we should be fine. Its a high possibility that the last scum is godfather, and that would make things a bit difficult. Medic would be wise to save me, dp or sdm.
I just want the info that debears is/isnt scum!


Dude he was one part of the driving force behind the kush lynch. He along with SDM were the ones to resurrect it after I gave it up as a lost hope. Also he is conforming to his town meta with his Drop posts into afk. Meh it is possible that he is scum but I find it highly unlikely. Djo and shady seems scumm as hell to me. If I survive I will make a case on them. I know what I am looking at. I would do it now but I left it to too late and it is 1 am and I have uni tomorrow ^_^ So please read their filters critically.

Of course Roleblock whoever, but we don't know if we have a role blocker so we should not rely on it.

Anyway. Follow SDM. That is my call if I die and you feel that you must sheep.






Like I said, I wouldn't be quick to dismiss him. But if you read his kush arguments, it's also pretty much nothing new. There is such a thing as bussing, you know.
The reason why I think this makes SDM town but not stutters is that SDM added new meta-related arguments, which is totally hardcore to do if he's a bussing scum, which I don't think is what happened.


I seriously doubt that scum would have bussed when the case was dead in the water. DAY ONE. and been the very first to do so. Like I said not 100% but certainly not a leading candidate. or even close to being one.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 03 2012 15:32 GMT
#772
I'm also going to bed and I should be very busy at work tomorrow. I'll try to post via phone if needed !

See ya !
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 15:32 GMT
#773
On October 04 2012 00:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 00:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
On October 04 2012 00:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:54 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss stutters.
I'm @ school so its hard to be useful atm, but game is leaning heavily in our favor. Like I said, rb/jail debears and we should be fine. Its a high possibility that the last scum is godfather, and that would make things a bit difficult. Medic would be wise to save me, dp or sdm.
I just want the info that debears is/isnt scum!


Dude he was one part of the driving force behind the kush lynch. He along with SDM were the ones to resurrect it after I gave it up as a lost hope. Also he is conforming to his town meta with his Drop posts into afk. Meh it is possible that he is scum but I find it highly unlikely. Djo and shady seems scumm as hell to me. If I survive I will make a case on them. I know what I am looking at. I would do it now but I left it to too late and it is 1 am and I have uni tomorrow ^_^ So please read their filters critically.

Of course Roleblock whoever, but we don't know if we have a role blocker so we should not rely on it.

Anyway. Follow SDM. That is my call if I die and you feel that you must sheep.






Like I said, I wouldn't be quick to dismiss him. But if you read his kush arguments, it's also pretty much nothing new. There is such a thing as bussing, you know.
The reason why I think this makes SDM town but not stutters is that SDM added new meta-related arguments, which is totally hardcore to do if he's a bussing scum, which I don't think is what happened.


I seriously doubt that scum would have bussed when the case was dead in the water. DAY ONE. and been the very first to do so. Like I said not 100% but certainly not a leading candidate. or even close to being one.


As far as I recall, I don't think stutters brought the case out of the water. I agree that he wouldn't make a good d3 lynch candidate, but claiming him town? No way.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 03 2012 15:32 GMT
#774
On October 04 2012 00:29 Z-BosoN wrote:
If someone gets saved by the medic, will they know about it?


I doubt it. Because a.) I am certain I was saved. and b.) if someone did receive that notification they would have claimed. Also we may have a jail keeper. And they 100% don't give out the info. BUT they can jail consecutively.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 15:33 GMT
#775
b4 you go, now is a good time to tell us if you got any pms during the day regarding medic saves.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 03 2012 15:34 GMT
#776
AH, nvm, so you did.
Do you know if it was medic or JK?
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
October 03 2012 15:38 GMT
#777
On October 04 2012 00:27 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 00:24 Z-BosoN wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:35 DarthPunk wrote:
I will vote debears if I am alive. alsn flipping town does not mean Debears is town. Although with Lesrah being red I could see scum Being a lurker. That being said I implore you to look at Shady and Djodref as they are the two other candidates that look scummiest IMO.


I was starting to get a town vibe from Djo but Shady, Remedy, Omni and Djo all needs to be looked into in detail. I'm having a sneaking suspicion that Omni won't be the only one who'll come off as scummy.


come off as scummy I'm sure a lot of people will. Alsn, for example, did. We just gotta learn to differentiate them from townie scummy and scummy scummy


Gah. Should have made the case today. It is there. I feel bad that I didn;t put any effort in today. Hopefully I won;t die. But i certainly don;t like my chances. Any way. sleep then school, i'll check when i get back from uni. BYE ALL <3


What? Case on who? If you die at least you've left us with an intriguing cliffhanger :p
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 03 2012 15:39 GMT
#778
On October 04 2012 00:32 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 00:30 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 04 2012 00:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
On October 04 2012 00:20 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:54 Z-BosoN wrote:
DP I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss stutters.
I'm @ school so its hard to be useful atm, but game is leaning heavily in our favor. Like I said, rb/jail debears and we should be fine. Its a high possibility that the last scum is godfather, and that would make things a bit difficult. Medic would be wise to save me, dp or sdm.
I just want the info that debears is/isnt scum!


Dude he was one part of the driving force behind the kush lynch. He along with SDM were the ones to resurrect it after I gave it up as a lost hope. Also he is conforming to his town meta with his Drop posts into afk. Meh it is possible that he is scum but I find it highly unlikely. Djo and shady seems scumm as hell to me. If I survive I will make a case on them. I know what I am looking at. I would do it now but I left it to too late and it is 1 am and I have uni tomorrow ^_^ So please read their filters critically.

Of course Roleblock whoever, but we don't know if we have a role blocker so we should not rely on it.

Anyway. Follow SDM. That is my call if I die and you feel that you must sheep.






Like I said, I wouldn't be quick to dismiss him. But if you read his kush arguments, it's also pretty much nothing new. There is such a thing as bussing, you know.
The reason why I think this makes SDM town but not stutters is that SDM added new meta-related arguments, which is totally hardcore to do if he's a bussing scum, which I don't think is what happened.


I seriously doubt that scum would have bussed when the case was dead in the water. DAY ONE. and been the very first to do so. Like I said not 100% but certainly not a leading candidate. or even close to being one.


As far as I recall, I don't think stutters brought the case out of the water. I agree that he wouldn't make a good d3 lynch candidate, but claiming him town? No way.


I just went back and reread the thread around this time. (like you could have ^_^) And Stutters is town guys.
He actually did bring the case back. It was dead until stutters made 2 lengthy posts against Kush. this is before SDM's posts on kush's meta. He was also the first vote behind me. And made his vote when there were ZERO votes on kush. and against the prevailing sentiment of the thread at the time. He made his case on Kush before you had even FoS'd kush.

He is a very very strong town read. along with SDM.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 03 2012 15:40 GMT
#779
On October 04 2012 00:38 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2012 00:27 DarthPunk wrote:
On October 04 2012 00:24 Z-BosoN wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:59 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
On October 03 2012 23:35 DarthPunk wrote:
I will vote debears if I am alive. alsn flipping town does not mean Debears is town. Although with Lesrah being red I could see scum Being a lurker. That being said I implore you to look at Shady and Djodref as they are the two other candidates that look scummiest IMO.


I was starting to get a town vibe from Djo but Shady, Remedy, Omni and Djo all needs to be looked into in detail. I'm having a sneaking suspicion that Omni won't be the only one who'll come off as scummy.


come off as scummy I'm sure a lot of people will. Alsn, for example, did. We just gotta learn to differentiate them from townie scummy and scummy scummy


Gah. Should have made the case today. It is there. I feel bad that I didn;t put any effort in today. Hopefully I won;t die. But i certainly don;t like my chances. Any way. sleep then school, i'll check when i get back from uni. BYE ALL <3


What? Case on who? If you die at least you've left us with an intriguing cliffhanger :p

On Djo and Shady.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
October 03 2012 15:41 GMT
#780
On October 04 2012 00:34 Z-BosoN wrote:
AH, nvm, so you did.
Do you know if it was medic or JK?


no. or I would have said something,
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Prev 1 37 38 39 40 41 65 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
GSL
08:00
2026 Season 1: Playoffs
herO vs SHINLIVE!
IntoTheiNu 491
LamboSC2111
CranKy Ducklings SOOP103
GSL EN (SOOP)0
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 111
Railgan 53
Rex 41
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 59962
Rain 17990
Sea 14713
Jaedong 656
Mini 567
EffOrt 439
Light 432
ggaemo 373
ToSsGirL 282
Soma 274
[ Show more ]
Pusan 267
Last 192
Mind 152
JYJ 107
Hm[arnc] 92
actioN 72
Movie 69
hero 65
scan(afreeca) 60
Sea.KH 57
Liquid`Ret 53
JulyZerg 53
Sharp 48
Larva 40
Shinee 37
Bonyth 29
Backho 26
zelot 15
Barracks 14
IntoTheRainbow 9
GoRush 9
Shine 7
Dota 2
Gorgc6412
monkeys_forever217
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1558
Other Games
gofns28141
singsing2407
B2W.Neo662
Liquid`RaSZi606
DeMusliM291
crisheroes277
XaKoH 262
Pyrionflax222
QueenE158
KnowMe81
XcaliburYe55
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL66021
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH378
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis2666
• Jankos1337
Counter-Strike
• C_a_k_e 2286
Upcoming Events
IPSL
3h 38m
Bonyth vs Napoleon
G5 vs JDConan
BSL
6h 38m
OyAji vs JDConan
DragOn vs TBD
OSC
11h 38m
Replay Cast
20h 38m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 11h
The PondCast
1d 21h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 22h
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
3 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs SHIN
Rogue vs Bunny
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W7
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.