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Lol djo
@possible vig
Don't waste your nightkill on me. Just get me lynched instead.
I would highly doubt that kushs bus was planned that early, especially considering that one of the mafia did not show up.
Why would they mafia out one half of their team d1 (planned that is)
It was a legitmate question. Something i didn't understand. I never said he was cop. I was wondering what his line of thinking as cop would be.
Finally, blue sniping? Please. If i was mafia I'd be so busy defending myself i wouldnt be worried about that shit.
Anyways, I'm going to spend the next 48 hours or so going over every filter, including all metas. I will most likely post my top scumread before i am lynches. Anything i post will be to help the town as best i can
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@debears
And why are inserted in what "his line of thinking as cop" would be ? It looks like you are trying to create a diversion, from my (biased) point of view.
Anyway I'm not going to attack all your posts anymore. I'm also going to see what I can get through the thread. And, by the way, you have 62 hours before going to be lynched. I'll cast my vote on you as soon as D3 starts, if I'm still here.
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EBWOP: why are you interested in
Seriously what does it give you to know this ? It's a totally useless discussion. Plus I think we should all refrain ourselves to talking about the blues. Nobody was killed N1 and I'm just happy with that. Also I don't think we need them so much with only one scum remaining.
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Alright, my suspicion of Omni. Yesterday I was questioning Omni for his reason jumping the Debears wagon, they just seemed really weak.
On October 02 2012 05:10 Omniscient4983 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2012 04:18 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
I get really paranoid when people jump the Debears wagon with this kind of reasoning. He's making too many long many cases? Really, that's what confirms your suspicion? I'm not jumping the wagon--I've always thought Debears would be a candidate for lynch. There are many points against him, including the association / defense of Kush, townie reference, meta-based arguments, etc... the only thing as of late that erks me is all the different cases. It seems as if he's diverting attention / spreading chaos to make the case against him seem insignificant as compared to those of others. Z-BosoN made an extensive case against him--reference it if you'd like. The long cases don't so much confirm the suspicion as they do add to it.
First off, I don't know this "meta-based argument" you're going on? His other scum game isn't comprable neither is it really looking like his play here and we don't even have a town meta on him.
You also think his defense of Kush is suspicious, but when Remedy asks you on your town read on Corrosion, you say:
On October 02 2012 07:40 Omniscient4983 wrote:@RemedySCI'm sure a few people have mentioned this about Corrosion: the fact that he "attacked" Darth, or, as someone said, "cast a scummy shadow" on him. At this point, he doesn't totally trust Darth because it's d1, and Kush isn't obvious scum yet. Personally, it seems like he is trying to be objective about the issue at hand. He points out a totally plausible case. Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 04:29 corrosion wrote:One of the first things Darth did was to antagonize Kush: + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 06:58 kushm4sta wrote:
@sonic
getting everyone's thoughts on lurker policy is important. Don't argue about it but share your views on the matter please.. No it's not. It is simply a mechanism to get the discussion going and allows scum to seem to participate and to potentially mislynch an inactive townie. Any more talk of policy will get you FoS'd. I'm thinking that this could easily be an attempt to start a fight that would result in derailing the thread. Later, he mentions that Kush is indeed suspicious but doesn't want to focus on one person like Darth is. I don't see it as scum-motivation or an attack on Darth. I see it as common sense.
Huh, so now you see this as common sense? Yet when Debears defends Kush and use these exact same arguments, you think it makes him look scummy?
Arguments:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 11:34 debears wrote:
@Darthpunk
Do you have links to all your previous games?
I see validity in your points. However, I need to see how you've played before. You are coming off really strong really early.
On September 28 2012 13:24 debears wrote:
@darthpunk
You could also say that you are too convinced in your reasons. What I am cautious of at this point is that you stated directly before the game that you were after kush if he plays like he has in his past 3 games. I feel like that may be clouding your judgement in this situation.
Our main goal is to lynch mafia. Yes, kush has said some scummy things. However, I'm not gonna go around parading this early saying "kush is scum. Kush is scum. OMFG".
Defense:
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2012 00:02 debears wrote:
2) Next, you say that I don’t attack DarthPunk. While I never attacked DarthPunk (he had good reasoning for suspecting kush), I did tell him to cool his jets and stop trying to convince others to his argument so early in the game, especially since kush was afk at the moment darth attacked kush. Now, because of his early hardcore tunnel, we are in a situation where the lynch is one sided. That doesn’t do really any good for us unless he is mafia. If he turns town, we gave the mafia a veil to hide under. Another townie side Z-Boson failed to address.
On October 02 2012 10:54 Omniscient4983 wrote:
I'll be reviewing the Alsn case tomorrow after my classes let out. I should be getting home just before lynch time, so I hope can get my thoughts in about Alsn. I'll consider changing my vote based upon these observations. Good night, gentlemen. See you at the gallows.
And then yesterday he just leaves off with this. Making empty promises as scum is really easy. You feel you need to because you want to make it yourself look useful but actually following up on them is hard. He hasn't had any thoughts on Alsn except that he's "being null or slightly scum". Considering there were a crapton of arguments against him and he was the focus of a lot of discussion that comes off as scummy. Having thoughts on cases against a townie is really difficult as scum, because you know they're false and all you can see is the poor townie's real intentions. It's easy just to avoid it. Add to that his thoughts on Deabears are wishy-washy at best, his scum hunting is kept to a minimum. That doesn't prevent him from handing out 4 town reads, the same kind of newbie scum mistake Debears made in XXVII and I still curse I didn't follow up on.
To sum up: Little to no scum hunting, inconsistent and wishy-washy reasoning for the scum reads he does make, likes giving out town reads.
##FOS Omni
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We've all been so focused on Alsn and Debears it's ridiculous. More on Omni, he's coming off suspicious as hell.
Nothing of value posted until this:
On September 29 2012 01:31 Omniscient4983 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On the whole Kush-scumslip ordeal... The game began, and people were stating their opinions about lurking lynching. DP notes that talk of this policy is simply a way to engage day 1 conversation, and that extended discussion of it can be suspicious. Kush then says: On September 28 2012 09:01 kushm4sta wrote:
Sorry but who appointed this asshole boss?
It's quite the arrogant remark, to be honest. DP may have been a little stern with his wording, but he certainly didn't come off as an "asshole boss" to me. In my opinion, Kush came on too strong regardless of his role--and i certainly don't like the play. People have mentioned his "scummy meta", but I don't read it as scum, just inconsiderate. This remark catapulted into the DP-Kush arguments. When Kush refers to DP as an "active townie", DP accuses him of a huge slip. On September 28 2012 11:27 DarthPunk wrote:
How do you know I am town? You are SCUM The accusation was simple reciprocation. Kush was strong with DP, and now DP is going hard on him with evidence. Fair enough. While the aforementioned scumslip could have been a townie error, I find Kush's response underwhelming, and still, a bit arrogant. On September 28 2012 20:12 kushm4sta wrote:
2. My supposed scumslip: huh? What else should I have called you? Player? Person? Maybe but to me those things sound awkward. Townie just seemed like the most non awkward word to use.
Innocent until proven guilty. That's how we do it in America bro.
To me, "The most active player; the most active person" don't seem awkward to me. The excuse is weak. And the "bro" at the end is telling of people with weak defenses that need to seem confident. Those are just my thoughts on Kush so far: Reckless, overconfident, and a little suspicious.
This happens after Kush's scum slip and after a lot of people had commented on it and all hell broke loose (Darth vs Debears, Darth vs Kush, Boson vs Alsn etc). Omni pops in simply restating what happen and making a very non-commital post. Makes a couple of passive attacks on Stutters and Debears.
Over an hour after his initial post he's asked to be more decisive and he responds with a short:
On September 29 2012 02:40 Omniscient4983 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@ Z-BosoN
The narrative was intentional; both to reiterate events and to weave my thoughts into it.
My stance is pretty clear on Kush. He's definitely a possible lynch candidate in my eyes, but I wouldn't go as far as to vote him just yet.
Poof, he's gone again. Until this:
On September 29 2012 09:44 Omniscient4983 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Woosh, I get back from a little dinner and find Kush complaining about 2 votes and giving up on the world. From a gameplay perspective, I don't feel the whining is conveying any sort of innocence. The dramatization / apologizing is being overplayed. As debears put it, Kush is either: On September 29 2012 09:08 debears wrote:
1) Mafia trying to pity your way out of being lynched.
or
2) A little bitch
##Vote: Kush
At this point Kush is clearly getting lynched. He's qouting Debears (the guy he just claimed to have scum slipped and was suspicious of+ Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 03:08 Omniscient4983 wrote:
I was suspicious of Debears ever since I questioned his claiming Djodref as town
He's still produced a grand total of zero scum reads, the first read he makes is a defense of Corrosion:
On September 30 2012 06:27 Omniscient4983 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2012 06:09 Djodref wrote:
I would like people to focus more on corrosion than debears because corrosion tired to cast a scummy shadow on Darth while deabears looks more genuine.
I agree we should take the focus off of Debears, as Z-BosoN did a fair job of outlining the points against him. But why Corrosion? I realize he opposed the fact that Darth was so heavily attacking Kush, but I don't think he was casting him in a "scummy shadow". His case against Darth was based on nothing, really; just the fact that he thought pursuing the scum-slip and ignoring everyone else was a poor idea. I don't read Corrosion as scum at all. And Debears in no way looks more genuine than him.
Then his only original case in the game is attacking Remedy for making a case on Corrosion. Seems more of an attack to defend his town read, which of course is an easy case to make if you know Corrosion is town:
On September 30 2012 07:21 Omniscient4983 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I've been reading through RemedySC's filter. I found his last post in particular a bit odd. + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Let me just state the reasons that my vote is on Kush right now:
I'm sorry, but I don't believe these are reasons a town would choose to make a vote. On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
1) I think his explanation of the slip was poor. If he had given a good explanation, I might have believed him. So the scum slip itself doesn't give you good reason to vote for him, but his poor defense does? A mafia making a scum slip could have the best explanation in the world. That doesn't exonerate them. On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
2) I've been thinking about who would benefit if the result is a no-lynch. I'm thinking mafia is likely to benefit the most from a no-lynch.
So your second reason isn't even something that Kush has done. Wouldn't you also say that mafia would benefit from a mis-lynch more than from a no-lynch? Could you elaborate more on the bolded part, because you give no explanation as to how a mafia would benefit more from a no-lynch. On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Right now, I think that there's more than a 25 % chance that Kush is scum. Therefore, I'm voting for him. I'm not sure if any of these points are original. I'm having trouble keeping up with the thread, because I tend to get hanged up in details.
You would think a town would want to be more than 25% sure the person they are voting for is scum. You don't even have any cases made against kush. No questions asked. Very vague reasons given...I find it odd that RSC was attacking Corrosion for voting Kush. At this point in the game, RSC had already cast his vote for Kush, and his best reason was: On September 29 2012 12:14 RemedySC wrote:
You [Kush] are not creating an ideal atmosphere.
RSC doesn't really have much motivation for voting Kush, other than the fact that he's disruptive to the gameplay environment. Yet, he picks apart Corrosion for voting him. I don't understand why he'd attack Corrosion's "poor reasons" at all. Take a look at the bolded part of the spoiler. He condemns Corrosion for not having made any cases again Kush, yet RSC himself hasn't done anything of the sort. RSC hasn't posted anything in regards to Kush being scum besides the "creating a bad atmosphere" and "not posting in a pro-town manner" argument. RSC doesn't seem to be any more sure than Corrosion is about lynching Kush, yet he is condemning Corrosion for having bad reasoning. His post seems hypocritical to me. @RemedySC Why, if you had voted Kush with such little evidence, were you outing Corrosion for doing something similar? You almost seemed as if you were defending Kush for no reason in this post. I'm curious, and would like to hear your opinion on things.
He's quickly backing off from this case though, not pushing for anymore information once Remedy responds claiming a misunderstanding. All good, everyone friends, Corrosion still town.
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Thread dead, wake up America.
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I don't know what to make of Debears post-d2 posts because it's putting me in total WIFOM mode and I should probably just ignore it.
But disregarding his last posts which obviously could be the result of leveling, is his case stronger than the one I just made? Maybe it's the excitement of novelty, but really? At least I'd say Debears play has been way more pro-town. He has his scummy-looking inconsistneies for sure, but at the same time he was aggressive d1. He tried making cases, get the thread started. He took attention because he was willing to, compare that to Omni who's just cruising by. At least I encourage you to pop out of the Debears bubble we've all been in to look at it.
Also, to Debears benefit, does scum really hang on this long when faced by pages and pages of accusations? I know I gave in quickly in XXVI because it seemed pointless. And look at Kush's reaction. That's the only examples I have myself from experience, maybe Debears is different. And maybe you can question if a townie would hang in this long. At least Alsn did.
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@ Omni
Alsn was a pretty hot topic during D2, yet you don't add much to the discussion. It looks like you are distancing yourself from a possible Alsn lynch.
On October 02 2012 03:08 Omniscient4983 wrote:
Debears without a doubt. Djodref I see as leaning town and Alsn is still pretty null / slightly scum for me, even after previewing some cases against him.
Here for example. You say Alsn is still pretty null / slightly scum after previewing some cases against him. Why don't you bring those up and try to get more information out of Alsn. If he is a hot topic and a likely lynch candidate, shouldn't you be looking into that a bit more?
On October 02 2012 03:08 Omniscient4983 wrote:
Overall, my slightly-town reads are:
Djodref, Corrosion, BosoN, and of course, Darth
My best scum read is Debears, and a slight scum-read is on Alsn.
The rest (especially Lesrah!!! haha) Are fairly null.
Here you say you have a slight scum read on Alsn. You don't give any reasons. There has been almost no information out of you that has to do with Alsn. He is on the verge of being lynched, and you seem to distance yourself from him.
On October 02 2012 10:54 Omniscient4983 wrote:
I'll be reviewing the Alsn case tomorrow after my classes let out. I should be getting home just before lynch time, so I hope can get my thoughts in about Alsn. I'll consider changing my vote based upon these observations. Good night, gentlemen. See you at the gallows.
Lastly, you promise a case against Alsn, yet it never happens.
Conclusion - You are mafia distancing yourself from a possible Alsn lynch. You know he is going to flip town.
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EBWOP - Going to work now, I'll be on my phone.
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Hey Remedy !
As far as know, Omni didn't even vote for Alsn. I think he really wasn't in the thread because everyone else switched.
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About the distancing from Alsn, I thought about it but it doesn't make sense. Omni made it clear he favored a Debears lynch long before it was clear Alsn would get lynched.
I think the better question is: why the complete disinterest in the Alsn case and who was getting lynched? Lesrah flipping red obviously means that if Omni is scum, neither Alsn nor Debears is. That would explain why scum would not be interested, it was a town/town wagon all along.
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On October 03 2012 21:12 Djodref wrote:
Hey Remedy !
As far as know, Omni didn't even vote for Alsn. I think he really wasn't in the thread because everyone else switched.
That was his point, he was distancing himself. I don't think it's valid for the reasons I explained.
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EBWOP: Oh, I see your point now Djo. I still don't think it explains the points I made. Do you got any thoughts on them?
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@SDM
Last time I've checked Omni's filter, I had a slight town-read on him. I think he is a newbie town sheeping onto cases. To be honest, I think the same of the late corrosion, Remedy and Omni. I guess my filter has a little of the same flavor. So I easily sympathize with them and don't try to look more into it.
I think we are too gullible and take the cases from more experienced players as the truth itself. After that we are just reading the thread with confirmation bias so it seems natural and ok to jump on bandwagons. But at the same time, we don't want to admit that we are just sheeping so it ends up looking very washy-washy.
So when Omni says "I could reference Z-Boson case", I think he just has a strong town read on him and he is sheeping him.
Your points are correct nevertheless and I hope they are going to push Omni to shape up and produce better posts.
@Everyone
This game isn't over yet ! Don't be all laid back and trust the outcome of the game to Darth, Z-BosoN and the more experienced and active players. There is still a little possibility for them to be scum and, if this is the case, then this is the doom of Newb-Lurky Ville !
As for me, I've spent too much time looking at poisonous wine glasses lately but I'll try to shape up tomorrow.
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I would like to propose a plan for tomorrow to promote discussion.
Cast enough vote on debears at the beginning of the day for him to be lynched.
Then start to discuss who to lynch next in the improbable case where he flips town.
If we come up with a better target than debears (I would say 80% mafia now for me because of his last posts and I'm less heated up), we can still switch our votes onto him.
By doing things this way, I hope that we can avoid to waste too much time on debears and lurkers to lurk even more.
What do you think about this plan ?
Shady and I are going to vote him up so we need 3 more guys. Who's in ?
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Z-BosoN
Are you in or are you too much shacked by Alsn death ?
You have a personal history with debears iirc ^^
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On October 03 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote:
@SDM
Last time I've checked Omni's filter, I had a slight town-read on him. I think he is a newbie town sheeping onto cases. To be honest, I think the same of the late corrosion, Remedy and Omni. I guess my filter has a little of the same flavor. So I easily sympathize with them and don't try to look more into it.
I think we are too gullible and take the cases from more experienced players as the truth itself. After that we are just reading the thread with confirmation bias so it seems natural and ok to jump on bandwagons. But at the same time, we don't want to admit that we are just sheeping so it ends up looking very washy-washy.
So when Omni says "I could reference Z-Boson case", I think he just has a strong town read on him and he is sheeping him.
Your points are correct nevertheless and I hope they are going to push Omni to shape up and produce better posts.
There has definitely been a lot of this going on considering all sheepers can't possibly be scum. The problem is I see a lurker circle jerk where everyone are friends and confirm eachothers townieness. Not through actually looking townie and contributing but because "he looks newbie just like me, probably newbie town". It would suck to lose the game just because we justify sheeping like this. You yourself have really upped both your activity and quality level since I made my case, so kudos.
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I will vote debears if I am alive. alsn flipping town does not mean Debears is town. Although with Lesrah being red I could see scum Being a lurker. That being said I implore you to look at Shady and Djodref as they are the two other candidates that look scummiest IMO.
If I die. Sonic Death Monkey and Stutters are townie. Listen to SDM. He is smart and town and motivated.
Z - Boson leaning townie towards also.
Rest null.
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On October 03 2012 22:41 Djodref wrote:
I would like to propose a plan for tomorrow to promote discussion.
Cast enough vote on debears at the beginning of the day for him to be lynched.
Then start to discuss who to lynch next in the improbable case where he flips town.
If we come up with a better target than debears (I would say 80% mafia now for me because of his last posts and I'm less heated up), we can still switch our votes onto him.
By doing things this way, I hope that we can avoid to waste too much time on debears and lurkers to lurk even more.
What do you think about this plan ?
Shady and I are going to vote him up so we need 3 more guys. Who's in ?
What's the in getting a majority at the start of the day? If all who would agree on it has the same opinion by the end of the d3 Debears is getting lynched anyway and if we announce he's getting lynched already we're putting pressure of scum in case he's not.
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