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Could we have a link to Shady's filter in the introduction post ?
Also an updated player list  ? Thanks !
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On October 04 2012 11:10 Djodref wrote:EBWOP:
- Association case with kush
- scumslip
- Reluctant to address relevant points against him
- it makes sense regarding kush's explosion
- WIFOM bombs
Thing about this is that after alsn lynch I've lost faith in some of the arguments.
-Association case with kush was stronger with Alsn.
-His "scumslip" doesn't make sense as scum. It could have been a slip, which is what we are currently thinking, but I think him as scum would have been more careful about this, as he just came from being scum in XVII. Dunno, from what I've read in his filter, he does't seem to be that type of player to do that.
-What reluctancy? He addressed most if not all the posts against him.
-WIFOM bombs are weird, but they aren't a scum tell. He also used them a LOT less in his scum game. But like I said earlier, the games are under different circumstances.
I'm starting to feel this way because of the Alsn incident. I thought the Alsn case to be 10x stronger than debears, and yet he still (somehow) managed to pop up town.
Tomorrow I'll go over Omniscient's filter more carefully, but please seriously consider him a lynch.
Also, Djodref, explain your town read on him.
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On October 04 2012 11:10 Djodref wrote:EBWOP:
- Association case with kush
- scumslip
- Reluctant to address relevant points against him
- it makes sense regarding kush's explosion
- WIFOM bombs
Which points do you think he hasn't addressed? Make sure to sum them up before lynch time, because this just looks like a wayyy oversimplification of the case.
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And yeah I'm not at all foreign to the idea of lynching Omni d3. I still really like my case. He needs to get his ass back in here to himself.
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I never looked into Corrosion's filter in detail but Shady is coming off suspicious. He first drops in and puts a vote on Alsn d2. Now he just drops in and put a vote in on Debears, a target where there has seemed to concensus in the past and there is unlikely to be resistance. If he's scum he's in a position where there seems to likely be two targets he can pick off really easily and town loses several days. Other than that he's doing nothing at all. Darth was suspicious of him as well, I'll be looking into Shady next
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@SDM and BosoN
Firstly I would like to remind you that my previous list is a compilation of my personal reasons to vote debears, I didn't pretend to sum up the entire case
Secondly when I say that he is reluctant to address some point, I don't say that he didn't address them at all. On the contrary, I think that he addressed all of them at the end.
I want to precise why I say reluctant. Let me remind you this post of mine
On September 30 2012 23:46 Djodref wrote:Ok now concerning debears, I'm going to focus on one point : his scumslip ! Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 01:55 debears wrote:@Djoref On September 28 2012 15:22 Djodref wrote:
@DarthPunk
For your information, i consider the comments of debears on my posts legitimate. Let me say that I even don't like them. Currently reading the guides and older game analysis. Please pm marv for help. The coaches are great I know this point not new and debears has already addressed it but I would like to point out the way he addressed it.First this slip might not be as evident as Kush's one but it is one nevertheless. The same way kush knew Darth was town, debears also know I'm town is because he is mafia ! For the people suspecting me, please consider this post written by a town Djodref ^^ Debears didn't write "Get some help from the coaches !", he wrote me to get help from the town coach because he knows I am town. Now please have a look on how he answered me when Omniscient asked him about it + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 03:28 debears wrote:@Omniscient Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 02:17 Omniscient4983 wrote:On September 29 2012 01:55 debears wrote:@Djoref On September 28 2012 15:22 Djodref wrote:
@DarthPunk
For your information, i consider the comments of debears on my posts legitimate. Let me say that I even don't like them. Currently reading the guides and older game analysis. Please pm marv for help. The coaches are great So you're confirming him town? No. I am trying to help a newbie get into the swing of things. Last game, there was a large portion of lurkers, and it destroyed the game atmosphere. If he gets help and posts more quality, we have a much better read on him. He denies it right away and gives a town motivation for his post. But then he starts talking about lurkers. I think lurkers and newbies are two different things and he was trying to divert everybody with this line. After that I give my guess on a kush/debears/corrosion scumteam and call him a scum by association in the light of Z-BosoN case against him. Here is his answer to my post. By the way, I asked him at this time what was his read on me but I should have ask directly "how do you know I am town?" + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 15:21 debears wrote:
@djo
What parts of his case specifically do you believe?
His main case against me is contradiction. Look at my case against thrawn in the last game. What was the main point of that argument? Inconsistency. Its an easy point for scum to point out.
There are two possibilities for kushvin my eyes
1) a mafiab tryingbto pity his way out off a lynch
2) a townie acting likeva total noob with accusations against him.
Which has less assumptions? Number 1.
My problen with the scum by associstion is the case that i was defendung kush earky on. That us false i was trying ti communicate ti darth that his reasoning wad based off such a strong s assumption early in the game. In fact, I'd say that z-bosons case against me is the same. He looks at the mafia side only, which to me is a indicator of mafia. I can't make a case dur to drinking and being on my phone.
My read in you is that you are sheeping onto cases. I don't like it because i did the same.
Why do you think i would refer you to a coach? What are the townie and mafia motivations behind it.
@z-boson
The same question stated the line above refers to you
He doesn't want to give a clear answer on his read about me. What does it mean that I'm sheeping onto cases ? I think it was too dangerous for him to pronounce himself about my alignment due to his previous slip. I asked him why he directed me to marv and answer by a question because he cannot afford to be transparent on this subject.
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From my point of view, he didn't directly address this slip because he is trying to avoid to mentioning the scummy point of his post (the fact that he recommended me to marv). Doesn't it feel like this to you ?
And he is doing it again here after this post
On October 01 2012 00:03 Djodref wrote:I would like to add some digging I have been doing in kush's filter to add more material to my case on debears. Here is a post where our great mafia player Kush defends debears from to case of Z-BosoN + Show Spoiler +On September 29 2012 05:46 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 05:29 Z-BosoN wrote:All right, I went through debears filter now, and I'm confident he is scum. Let's go through this more carefully now. His first post: On September 28 2012 11:05 debears wrote:Lol. Kush already going at it. Hey guys. I'm debears. This is my second game ever of mafia. I have a couple of things to add: + Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 09:18 DarthPunk wrote:On September 28 2012 09:10 Z-BosoN wrote:On September 28 2012 08:43 DarthPunk wrote:
It is not impossible to find scum on the first day. Policy lynches get you no info, you are most likely going to hit a townie, and you end up in the same position the next day minus 2 town. @Djodref your 'day plan' is unnecessary. Scum hunt, vote for your top scum read and everything else will fall into place. After LVII I'm rather liking the idea of policy lynches, in extreme cases. Killing lurkers in a lurker-infested town, for example, is something I'm inclined to agree on. If the town proves itself active, then whoever proves himself scummier will occupy the noose. Given that this is a newbie game, scums are generally more scared to post. While that is a general tendency, I don't agree with mass posters being cleared right off the bat, even if their posts seem meaningful. What I suggest in this game, is that people read. From my few games, much time is usually wasted discussing things that have not been read properly. On September 28 2012 06:56 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Cool, we're on. Pretty bad timing though, I'm off to bed and then I've got a day at uni before I can really start posting. I hope to God when I get back we've moved past the lurker policy discussion. My message to newbies: the best way for you to clear yourself is to post a lot. Don't post just for the sake of posting though, that'll make you look like scum because posting for the sake of posting is what scum do. This is a rather useless post. Newbie towns want to scumhunt. Newbie scum want to look like they are scumhunting. That =/= posting a lot but not for the sake of posting, or whatever you meant. And please tell me, what do you mean? You say you hope to have moved past the lurker discussion, and yet you are telling people to post a lot? In my eyes you are telling people not to lurk because that will make them seem scummy. It seems to me that you are indirectly stating your views on lurkers despite openly saying you don't want to talk about them. Meh. Don't like lurker policy lynches at all. It just tells scum: Post. and your safe. I have read every post so far as scummy and I don't see SDM's post as more or less scummy than the others. But posting a lot will let people get a good read on you so you should 100% be doing this as town. And then if all the townies are posting you force scum to. Which makes it much easier to nab them also. SO. Post a lot if you are town. You make scum uncomfortable and facilitate town reads on yourself and scum reads on scum. You also clutter the thread if you just post alot. Let me specify. Post quality as often as you can. That means reread the thread and build good cases. One liners don't do much good. Cases with multiple quotes and a few sentences of explanation per quote are good (most of the time). Also, USE YOUR COACHES TOWN. Thrawn pmed Hapa over 50 times last game and he had the best town performance. That isn't a coincidence. @Kush I don't like the way you are starting off this game kush. It's eerily similar as last game when you were mafia. You mention you're deathless streak, nk, and your scummy meta without anyone bringing it up. You should know that I most likely know you're trends better than anyone else in this game. The only difference between this game and last is that you have engaged in a flame war with Darth this game, which is unhelpful to our town. FOS Kush@everyone One more thing: Feel free to accuse and build cases on anyone you want for the first 24 hours. However, let's start tunneling for the second 24 hours. Also, I would like everyone to start considering a lurker (in your head) once we hit the second 24 hours as a backup. If we get close to the lynch deadline, and there are no scummy candidates, feel free to post a good case on which lurker would be the best candidate. First of all, his "I want town to win!!" post telling town to use their coaches. He then FoS's Kush, due to the fact that he's playing a similar game as the one he was scum. He says that DP + kush flame war is bad for the town, but doesn't attack Darthpunk, probably because he finds kush to be more scummy looking. Now, from a townie perspective, what does debear want? Information in order to lynch kush, as he pointed a FOS mostly based on a meta read. But suddenly, towards darthpunk: snip --You could also say that you are too convinced in your reasons. What I am cautious of at this point is that you stated directly before the game that you were after kush if he plays like he has in his past 3 games. I feel like that may be clouding your judgement in this situation.
Our main goal is to lynch mafia. Yes, kush has said some scummy things. However, I'm not gonna go around parading this early saying "kush is scum. Kush is scum. OMFG".
Also, let the man defend himself instead of trying to rally everyone active behind your cause so early. If he is scummy, the votes will come. He is defensive towards kush. That's not how townies think. While I agree that DP is a bit overboard on kush, I don't agree that he failed to give arguments as to why he thinks that is so. A townie with a FOS on someone will want to deal with the arguments first. He doesn't do that, and suddenly becomes defensive on Kush. He says, later: I'm not defending him as much as I'm trying to tell you that you are going overboard right now. You don't have to rush in annointing him scum. He is more bothered by DPs certainty than by his actual arguments. Inconsistency #1. He then comes up with two cases. One against me, and one against Djoref: @Boson
+ Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 09:10 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 08:43 DarthPunk wrote:
It is not impossible to find scum on the first day. Policy lynches get you no info, you are most likely going to hit a townie, and you end up in the same position the next day minus 2 town. @Djodref your 'day plan' is unnecessary. Scum hunt, vote for your top scum read and everything else will fall into place. After LVII I'm rather liking the idea of policy lynches, in extreme cases. Killing lurkers in a lurker-infested town, for example, is something I'm inclined to agree on. If the town proves itself active, then whoever proves himself scummier will occupy the noose. Given that this is a newbie game, scums are generally more scared to post. While that is a general tendency, I don't agree with mass posters being cleared right off the bat, even if their posts seem meaningful. What I suggest in this game, is that people read. From my few games, much time is usually wasted discussing things that have not been read properly. Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 06:56 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Cool, we're on. Pretty bad timing though, I'm off to bed and then I've got a day at uni before I can really start posting. I hope to God when I get back we've moved past the lurker policy discussion. My message to newbies: the best way for you to clear yourself is to post a lot. Don't post just for the sake of posting though, that'll make you look like scum because posting for the sake of posting is what scum do. This is a rather useless post. Newbie towns want to scumhunt. Newbie scum want to look like they are scumhunting. That =/= posting a lot but not for the sake of posting, or whatever you meant. And please tell me, what do you mean? You say you hope to have moved past the lurker discussion, and yet you are telling people to post a lot? In my eyes you are telling people not to lurk because that will make them seem scummy. It seems to me that you are indirectly stating your views on lurkers despite openly saying you don't want to talk about them. Boson, please try not to read too hard into a person's very first posts and make something out of nothing. It is pretty clear what sonic was saying. He wants newbies to post so that they don't get grouped under the lurker corral that usually follows up later. Last game, we had lurkers galore and it really messed up the town. Also, you mention that his post is useless. Now I will examine your two other posts in terms of uselessness. On September 28 2012 09:12 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 09:01 kushm4sta wrote:On September 28 2012 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:On September 28 2012 06:58 kushm4sta wrote:
@sonic
getting everyone's thoughts on lurker policy is important. Don't argue about it but share your views on the matter please.. No it's not. It is simply a mechanism to get the discussion going and allows scum to seem to participate and to potentially mislynch an inactive townie. Any more talk of policy will get you FoS'd. Sorry but who appointed this asshole boss? you get people's thoughts on lurker policy, so you can catch them deviating from it later and question them about it. And why are you that scared of a FOS? A one-liner. A question that really doesn't accomplish anything. In other words, a useless post. Also, your next post doesn't address his response although he responded right after and you posted within 30 minutes of his response in a pretty light thread. On September 28 2012 09:43 Z-BosoN wrote:
@DP
Saying we will lynch lurkers is one thing. Deciding whether a lurker should die later at day two is another.
What I said is I'm inclined to lynch a lurker if there aren't better choices, not that we will 100% lynch a lurker.
@Stutters
I'd like to see more posts from you. In XXIV you showed you were capable of making decent posts as town, so I encourage you to post eve more here.
@kush
What's your view on darthpunk? You said you don't like his coldness, but you don't like it in a "he's scum" sort of way? Yet again, nothing of substance here. You go more in depth about semantics (is that the right word I'm looking for?) about lynching lurkers and lynching lurkers at day two. Second, you call out stutters, who has already been warned by others and most likely the mods for no reason this early in the game. Finally, two sentences, two questions going on about the exact wording of kush's statements. It sounded like before the game you had stated that you have played in multiple games. Is that true? For someone who is telling other people to not post useless posts, you aren't doing a good job of it yourself. Looks more like you are trying to just be active while off the radar. In other words, you are a semi-active lurker who has bad post quality. Sounds like characteristics of a certain alignment. On September 28 2012 08:51 Djodref wrote:
@Darthpunk
Nevermind you look just more confident to get a scum on D1 than me.
Regarding my plan, I think we need general directions to follow because of the majority lynch.
It is a way to gather everybody around 2-3 suspicious players and secure a lynch. I'm assuming everyone agree on a no-lynch to be stupid.
Djoref, I don't like that statement at all. That's the second post you bring up about the likelihood of lynching a townie d1. As town, you should never have that mentality. I would probably less likely to bring this up if you were a total nooby. However, you said you "know Kush's meta" which means you have some decent understanding of the game for a noob. By saying this, it seems that you are setting yourself an excuse to be indecisive later in the day when the lynch voting comes around. Alone, it isn't much. However, your other posts don't help. On September 28 2012 08:44 Djodref wrote:
@Darthpunk
Considering that we are likely to lynch a town on D1, don't you think it's a lesser wrong to get rid of someone inactive ?
Inactivity means no scumhunt and room to hide for the mafia...
After playing mafia last game, I feel like heavy lurking is a bad play for mafia. It puts too much pressure on you are as a scum. Instead, posting lightly without much substance is more mafia indicative. Yet again, I feel you are just looking like you are contributing without saying much. Especially when you already covered your thoughts in a previous post. On September 28 2012 08:36 Djodref wrote:Hello everybody ! About meThis is my first game ever on forum but I've been playing on SC2mafia and also irl. But I've been lurking on the TL Mafia forum for a while (so I know your meta kush^^) and I decided to join this newbie game. I'm also a French guy and I live in Korea so my english is not on top and it's going to ne difficult for me to be around at deadline (5.00 am KST). Lurker policyFrom the games I've seen, unless you have a golden scumslip on d1, it's very difficult to lynch a scum the very first day.
So I have no problem ending up voting for the most suspicious lurker at the end of the day. I define most suspicious lurker as a semi-lurker just trying to blend in.Day PlanI don't think to be able to be around for the first deadline so I would like to propose a day plan to secure a lynch as we are using a majority vote. First 24 hours to find lynch candidates while scumhunting and next 20 hours to decide who is the scummiest. Last 4 hours to consolidate the vote or switch to a lurker. Please discuss Notice how you are just repeating points? It isn't helpful to us. Next post On September 28 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote:@Kush Was it also a joke ? How can you be so sure you are not going to be NKed ? A two sentence, two question post. I don't like these. They are worthless. Also, this question came quite a bit later after darthpunk already was asking questions about joking. You seem to be sheeping onto darth's case against kush. On September 28 2012 11:53 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2012 11:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Because the most active townie is tunneling me?
I would also like to hear you explanations about this specific part. I don't have a read on Darth on the moment considering he has only been hard tunneling you. As you said yourself you have a scummy meta so you are an easy target for early game to put pressure on. So what makes him so much town ? Yet again, this post is just repeating what darth is saying. Another question. I don't like this. Your early posts are indicative of a semi-active scum. Sheeping, question posts, and rehashing things already said multiple times. Notice the similarity between the two. He attacks us for asking questions (later on denies that they provide any discussion whatsoever), and falls into the same "semi-active lurker" category he's sniffing about. I will ignore the quality of his arguments, which I personally think are horrible, and will look more towards their similarity. From his case against me:A one-liner. A question that really doesn't accomplish anything. In other words, a useless post. Also, your next post doesn't address his response although he responded right after and you posted within 30 minutes of his response in a pretty light thread. For someone who is telling other people to not post useless posts, you aren't doing a good job of it yourself. Looks more like you are trying to just be active while off the radar. In other words, you are a semi-active lurker who has bad post quality. Sounds like characteristics of a certain alignment. From his case against Djoref:A two sentence, two question post. I don't like these. They are worthless. Also, this question came quite a bit later after darthpunk already was asking questions about joking. You seem to be sheeping onto darth's case against kush. Your early posts are indicative of a semi-active scum. Sheeping, question posts, and rehashing things already said multiple times. See the similarity, especially the bolded part? It seems that he has this "semi-active scum" cake recipe that he is using to sniff out scum. He also calls us out on our posting quality, in my case saying it is bad. I won't address his next post towards me because I've already done so, and because it doesn't increase his scumminess , as "bad cases =/= scum" (although it pisses me off). Anyways, now to the main stuff. He has a case against me and Djoref, for pretty much the same reasoning. Yet, check out what his next post on Djoref is: On September 29 2012 01:55 debears wrote:@Djoref On September 28 2012 15:22 Djodref wrote:
@DarthPunk
For your information, i consider the comments of debears on my posts legitimate. Let me say that I even don't like them. Currently reading the guides and older game analysis. Please pm marv for help. The coaches are great Wtf??? What ?? Where is his case against Djoref?? He goes from a scummy-looking sheep with one liners to a "townie who should pm marv for help"? Could he have forgotten that Djoref was one of his main suspicions? Inconsistency #2
Note that I no longer think that his defense of SDM is scummy. I've gone over that a few times and I admit that it can also come from a townie perspective. To summarize, here are the main inconsistencies in his play that scream to me SCUM: 1) He had a FOS on kush, then hurried on to defend him, in the manner I've shown above. I cannot fathom for the life of me having a FOS on someone and suddenly feel like I have to address an exaggeration on that person before I actually address the case. 2) He completely absolves Djoref for absolutely no reason. Townies do not throw around suspicions only to insta-drop them. 3) The other supporting arguments I've shown above.debears is SCUM!##vote debears Hi z bozon. Inconsistencies do not make someone scum. Also it's quite funny how you are so certain this early in the game. To summarize this awesome post: your case is not strong. you are overconfident in your scumread. This one speaks for itself. I believe Kush was still trying to play seriously at this time and tried to defend his scummate. But here are also these two horrible posts Show nested quote +On September 29 2012 07:44 kushm4sta wrote:
debears I saved you bro...scumteam 4 lyfe He did this one no so much after voting for himself so I guess he was in full troll mode at this point. He was still attacking Z-BosoN on his "stupid" case. I think he purely gamethrew by seeing two scums nailed so fast in this game. And this one just before admitting he was scum. Given kush character, I could imagine him giving his scum partner like this. I'll be sad if it turns out to be true they are just to much elements pointing into this direction.
After this post, I had to ask him twice to give to give answers about it and here is what I get
On October 01 2012 03:04 debears wrote:@Djo Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 02:09 Djodref wrote:
@debears
Well I would disagree about sheeping. Nobody so far has pointed out the defense you got from kush and the posts where he implies that you are his scumbuddy.
So why do you think kush was defending you ?
@everyone
Before going to bed, I would like to state that my guess for the scumteam is now debears/alsn. I think Z-BosoN has the right of it. I'm asking for a vig shot on debears !
Also Remedy is too much of a lurker. I don't think we are going to encounter lylo or mylo situations in this game but I hope that we can get something of him before this...
You have been sheeping. Look at SDM's case on you Show nested quote +On September 30 2012 22:03 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:And to clarify a couple of things about my case on Djo now that I'm up to date on the thread: 1. Latching on to others reads: As newbie scum it's really hard to make original cases. I had first hand experience Cubu and Imcasey in XXVI. The only case Imcasey could make was against our scum buddy Xatalos (that's quite easy because he knew he was scum). We had a similar situation with Debears in XXVII, at least in the beginning where the only case he could make was a defense of Thrawn, which is easy to do because he knew knew he was town (well, he flipped SK, but Debears couldn't know). 2. How can anyone buy into Kush's defense that easily? A newbie town is usually very suspcicious and it was a really silly defense, at the very best null. Using "player" and "people" sounds awkward? How isn't that an obvious lie? + Show Spoiler +On September 28 2012 20:12 kushm4sta wrote:
2. My supposed scumslip: huh? What else should I have called you? Player? Person? Maybe but to me those things sound awkward. Townie just seemed like the most non awkward word to use.
Innocent until proven guilty. That's how we do it in America bro.
As for the other lurkers, I don't find Remedy suspicious, rather the opposite although his post count is still low. Nothing really stuck out to me the same way Djo did when reading Omn's and Corrosion's filter. Also, the reason why no one is addressing kush's "scum for life" and "I saved you" posts to me is because the argument is pure WIFOM. Kush was scum. For that reason, we have to look at scum motivations 1) He was giving away his partner and throwing the game away. I believe he didn't give up on the game since he was mafia. Otherwise, he would most likely be punished for his actions in the game. Also, he is experienced. He isn't a dumb noob that would give up. He was willing to take the sack as scum last game when people started reading him as scum (although it never came to that). 2) He was attempting to set up someone who had "soft defended" him so that it would lead to a mislynch the next day.This point can be easily turned into WIFOM. Why would you believe the words of a confirmed scum? The purpose of mafia is to disrupt the the town and turn townies against each other. Number two fulfills that purpose.
At last he is giving his insight on the two horrible posts containing the WIFOM bombs. But what took him so long ? He did address some other points of my cases before this one, he could have done it at this time. It's pretty simple and such answers would have been easily accepted by me. I think I had my finger on something sensible here because he didn't address them at first and also because he didn't comment on the first quoted post from kush, which is the most incriminating post in my opinion (the very first attack of kush on Z-BosoN regarding his debear's case and vote).
That's the reasons why I have used the word reluctant. Don't hesitate to ask me more questions if anything is unclear
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You guys have made me doubted that reluctant was having the same meaning in French and in English  We have a lot of similar words with different meanings.
I've just checked it up and I really wanted to say reluctant.
Please read carefully my previous post (included the quoted parts) because this is really a strong argument in favor of a debear lynch in my opinion.
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@Z-BosoN
Concerning my town read on him, I believe that you are referring to this post
On October 03 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote:
@SDM
Last time I've checked Omni's filter, I had a slight town-read on him. I think he is a newbie town sheeping onto cases. To be honest, I think the same of the late corrosion, Remedy and Omni. I guess my filter has a little of the same flavor. So I easily sympathize with them and don't try to look more into it.
I think we are too gullible and take the cases from more experienced players as the truth itself. After that we are just reading the thread with confirmation bias so it seems natural and ok to jump on bandwagons. But at the same time, we don't want to admit that we are just sheeping so it ends up looking very washy-washy.
So when Omni says "I could reference Z-Boson case", I think he just has a strong town read on him and he is sheeping him.
Your points are correct nevertheless and I hope they are going to push Omni to shape up and produce better posts.
@Everyone
This game isn't over yet ! Don't be all laid back and trust the outcome of the game to Darth, Z-BosoN and the more experienced and active players. There is still a little possibility for them to be scum and, if this is the case, then this is the doom of Newb-Lurky Ville !
As for me, I've spent too much time looking at poisonous wine glasses lately but I'll try to shape up tomorrow.
Could you confirm me it is what you were thinking about ?
I have no problem explaining my read on him but don't you think it would be better to wait for him to defend himself first so he cannot find some ideas in my post ?
If everybody is ok with that, I'm going to prepare a post right now regarding this and I'll post it when you feel like the timing is better for it.
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EBWOP: Concerning my town read on Omni
I was talking about Omni of course. I don't want to give him an easy way out just in case my read is totally wrong ^^
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On October 03 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote:
@SDM
Last time I've checked Omni's filter, I had a slight town-read on him. I think he is a newbie town sheeping onto cases. To be honest, I think the same of the late corrosion, Remedy and Omni. I guess my filter has a little of the same flavor. So I easily sympathize with them and don't try to look more into it.
I think we are too gullible and take the cases from more experienced players as the truth itself. After that we are just reading the thread with confirmation bias so it seems natural and ok to jump on bandwagons. But at the same time, we don't want to admit that we are just sheeping so it ends up looking very washy-washy.
So when Omni says "I could reference Z-Boson case", I think he just has a strong town read on him and he is sheeping him.
Your points are correct nevertheless and I hope they are going to push Omni to shape up and produce better posts.
@Everyone
This game isn't over yet ! Don't be all laid back and trust the outcome of the game to Darth, Z-BosoN and the more experienced and active players. There is still a little possibility for them to be scum and, if this is the case, then this is the doom of Newb-Lurky Ville !
As for me, I've spent too much time looking at poisonous wine glasses lately but I'll try to shape up tomorrow.
This post is a prepared post to explain my slight town-read on Omni while he is on the spot at the beginning of D3.
I'm not going to post it as soon as finish so it might be irrelevant depending on the events in the thread. But as everyone is sleeping or dead, I think it should be ok.
Before reading my post, I recommend everyone to check his filter twice with the assumption that he is scum then the assumption that he is town. It's not hard nor long and you can forge your own opinion this way.
Nevertheless, here is the points in his filter which speak for him:
- Clear stance on Kush before him exploding
- Picking up debears scumslip !
- Build a self-admitted weak case on Remedy in order to make this other lurker posting more
- Transparent on his motivations
- Following cases of other players like a brainless sheep (wait it's not a town trait!)
But he really needs to post more so...
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Owww shit it looks like I've just clicked on the wrong button...
I wanted to say that Omni he's back to a null-read after the redaction of my previous post. I'm really looking forward to see his defense and I hope to see more original cases from him in the future.
I also have myself a small point against him that I would like him to comment.
On September 30 2012 10:51 Omniscient4983 wrote:
Chocolate chip? :D
What did you do to deserve a chocolate chip ?
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On October 01 2012 02:15 Omniscient4983 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 01:29 Djodref wrote:In fact, this is what I did by checking the filter of corrosion. I read his twice with the two following assumptions : - he is scum and made a case against Darth to discredit him and try to avoid kush's lynch
- he is a newbie town who felt the urge to post an original case
His filter makes more sense with the second option, especially when I look at his latest posts. So I have a mild town-read on him. @DjodrefThat's exactly my read on him atm. He certainly seems more newbie-town than scum right now. This is why I was questioned your suspicions of him. Glad to see we can agree on this read.
Trying to be nice and cute and small attempts to buddy me. What are your motivations behind this ?
With the few posts you have, you should better spend them on scum-reads than town-reads.
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by the way is everyone afk or dead ?
I'm not so familiar with Shady meta but isn't he supposed to more active ? it would be interesting to see the difference between corrosion's posts and his.
No one is here ? Seriously we might lose to just one maf player with all the lurkers...
(in the improbable case where debears is not scum)
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I'm here now, will respond soon.
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Yeah it would've been a good idea to wait but since you posted...
On October 04 2012 19:27 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote:
@SDM
Last time I've checked Omni's filter, I had a slight town-read on him. I think he is a newbie town sheeping onto cases. To be honest, I think the same of the late corrosion, Remedy and Omni. I guess my filter has a little of the same flavor. So I easily sympathize with them and don't try to look more into it.
I think we are too gullible and take the cases from more experienced players as the truth itself. After that we are just reading the thread with confirmation bias so it seems natural and ok to jump on bandwagons. But at the same time, we don't want to admit that we are just sheeping so it ends up looking very washy-washy.
So when Omni says "I could reference Z-Boson case", I think he just has a strong town read on him and he is sheeping him.
Your points are correct nevertheless and I hope they are going to push Omni to shape up and produce better posts.
@Everyone
This game isn't over yet ! Don't be all laid back and trust the outcome of the game to Darth, Z-BosoN and the more experienced and active players. There is still a little possibility for them to be scum and, if this is the case, then this is the doom of Newb-Lurky Ville !
As for me, I've spent too much time looking at poisonous wine glasses lately but I'll try to shape up tomorrow. This post is a prepared post to explain my slight town-read on Omni while he is on the spot at the beginning of D3. I'm not going to post it as soon as finish so it might be irrelevant depending on the events in the thread. But as everyone is sleeping or dead, I think it should be ok. Before reading my post, I recommend everyone to check his filter twice with the assumption that he is scum then the assumption that he is town. It's not hard nor long and you can forge your own opinion this way. Nevertheless, here is the points in his filter which speak for him: - Clear stance on Kush before him exploding I'm arguing the exact opposite pretty much, read my case. He's very indecisive then leaves the thread.
- Picking up debears scumslip ! He basically pointed out a slip of which the significance can be debated then left the thread in the midst of a shit storm. This is only a good point if we knew Debears is scum.
- Build a self-admitted weak case on Remedy in order to make this other lurker posting more What?
- Transparent on his motivations What?
- Following cases of other players like a brainless sheep (wait it's not a town trait!)
But he really needs to post more so...
I don't get how any of this speaks for him but yeah, don't defend him any further and wait for him to reply.
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On October 04 2012 19:41 Djodref wrote:Owww shit it looks like I've just clicked on the wrong button... I wanted to say that Omni he's back to a null-read after the redaction of my previous post. I'm really looking forward to see his defense and I hope to see more original cases from him in the future. I also have myself a small point against him that I would like him to comment. What did you do to deserve a chocolate chip ? and Show nested quote +On October 01 2012 02:15 Omniscient4983 wrote:On October 01 2012 01:29 Djodref wrote:In fact, this is what I did by checking the filter of corrosion. I read his twice with the two following assumptions : - he is scum and made a case against Darth to discredit him and try to avoid kush's lynch
- he is a newbie town who felt the urge to post an original case
His filter makes more sense with the second option, especially when I look at his latest posts. So I have a mild town-read on him. @DjodrefThat's exactly my read on him atm. He certainly seems more newbie-town than scum right now. This is why I was questioned your suspicions of him. Glad to see we can agree on this read. Trying to be nice and cute and small attempts to buddy me. What are your motivations behind this ?With the few posts you have, you should better spend them on scum-reads than town-reads.
Trying to just get along has scum motivations. It's a if I got your back you got mine type of deal where the one getting the town read goes: "this guy knows I'm town, what a lovely fella! he's probably town too!". Not only is it easier for scum to give out town reads because they know they are correct, but it will also buy sympathy/protection/comfort.
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I have been reading your case against and I am now really eager to see his defense. I'm gonna go as far as vote-pressuring him ! I'm doing this because it really motivated me to shape up when Darth and you cast your FoS on me.
@debears
Don't worry I'm not forgetting you <3
@Omni
My vote is on you now !
##Vote Omni
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So should I be suspicious of Z-BosoN because he is saying that I'm cute ?
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@SDM
By the way while you are here, what is your take on the "reluctance" of debears ?
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On October 04 2012 20:25 Djodref wrote:So should I be suspicious of Z-BosoN because he is saying that I'm cute ?
Well, you do come off as quite the cutie :p
But seriously, if you look at Boson's play you can hardly accuse him of cockriding. He's been aggressive and pro-town from the start and there's a difference between being able to give out town reads and cockriding. Obviously being aggressive and seemingly pro-town doesn't make one town, but that's the direction I'm leaning in.
On October 04 2012 20:30 Djodref wrote:
@SDM
By the way while you are here, what is your take on the "reluctance" of debears ?
We've been discussing the Debears case for almost a week now, it's about time we focus on others. I'll get back with thoughts when we're getting closer to EOD.
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Just went through the Shady part of the filter... not a lot of posts but the ones there are certainly aren't convincing.
On October 02 2012 16:21 Shady Sands wrote:
I'm still not sold on Debears yet. Every time people push him as a lynch and everyone just nods along and agrees (this is based on a cursory ready through 30+ pages of filter late at night, so pardon me if I'm totally wrong about this), I get a wierd feeling in the pit of my stomach. Why? Because scum is already down one, there is almost zero chance they'd accede easily to a second consecutive bus. So if everyone is nodding along on Debears, and scum isn't going to roll over and bus again, then, WIFOM as this reasoning is, it doesn't seem reasonable that Debears should be scum.
How do you choose Debears over Alsn because everyone "nods along" to his case? Where did you get the impression anyone was oppose the Alsn wagon?
On October 03 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:
Alright, since Lesrah wasn't posting through D2 then that means that if debears was the other scum there was no other scum trying to stop his lynch. Hence the lack of opposition to his lynch becomes less of a town-tell to me. This, coupled with the earlier case on him (which he hasn't adequately responded to, imo) makes me view him as scum.
## Vote debears
I mean like... what? The lack of resistance for the Debears wagon was the only reason you didn't like it? And instead choose the Alsn wagon which had just as little resistance? Nothing else, other than that he hasn't "adequately responded" to his earlier case. Not even mentioning which part of the case you think makes Debears suspicious. Not only do your weak reasoning make you suspicious of Debears, it makes you certain he is scum?
On October 03 2012 13:16 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2012 13:12 debears wrote:@Shady On October 03 2012 10:01 Shady Sands wrote:
Alright, since Lesrah wasn't posting through D2 then that means that if debears was the other scum there was no other scum trying to stop his lynch. Hence the lack of opposition to his lynch becomes less of a town-tell to me. This, coupled with the earlier case on him (which he hasn't adequately responded to, imo) makes me view him as scum.
## Vote debears
Heading out for the night. If I don't make it back by daypost, cop please check omni or remedy and remember it is possible GF is last mafia. That's all, glhf. If you believe I'm the last scum, why wouldn't you nightcheck me? Why should I? It wastes a nightcheck on someone I'm certain is scum.
Such complete and ridiculous sheeping, unfortunately you're not the only one.
On October 04 2012 17:08 Sonic Death Monkey wrote:
Shady is coming off suspicious. He first drops in and puts a vote on Alsn d2. Now he just drops in and put a vote in on Debears, a target where there has seemed to concensus in the past and there is unlikely to be resistance. If he's scum he's in a position where there seems to likely be two targets he can pick off really easily and town loses several days. Other than that he's doing nothing at all.
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@Z-Bo
after looking at your meta, and combining it with the posting from this game, I'm having a town read on you atm (I took a long hard look lol....wait til post game where you see my notes)
I will examine the remaining four now
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