EPTBut it could still be not so difficult to produce such a play as scum, doesn't it ?
I mean that he mainly kept his eye on the newbies...
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
But it could still be not so difficult to produce such a play as scum, doesn't it ? I mean that he mainly kept his eye on the newbies... | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
he, however, also went for Alsn. I'm not too sure on him. For today, though, I;d lean town on him. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On Djo 1) Eager to ask for town credit for asking kush a question 2) Playing the newbie card 3) His statement early game about confident that we would mislynch day 1, then being so confident in kush being scum later, although he agreed with kush early and then later switched to kush after all the votes were piled on. -in this case, the last mafia would not want to bus kush with lesrah being totally afk. Would make sense that mafia would wait to vote kush 4) Eagerness to jump on kush's WIFOM statments on me (I find that mafia would be most likely to use the advantage that kush gave him) 5) Never really addressing the Alsn case (he did after the lynch but odd that he didn't do it during the lynch). All he said was that he was ok with lynching Alsn----shows signs of not caring that much 6) Stated that he wanted to drop discussion of me today yet continues to bring me up 7) Him bringing up lesrah multiple times. Seemed to worried about how lesrah would be handled 8) Him FOS corrosion day two, then in one post unFOSing corrosion, giving a town read on corrosion, then accusing me of trying to mislynch corrosion 9) Asking for a vig to nk me when I could be easily lynched today. Would be a wasted bullet 10) Trying to start the newbie town read on the other noobies so that he fits in with them. For someone so active he seems quite determined to mark himself as a newbie 11) This quote On October 02 2012 19:22 Djodref wrote: EBWOP: I'm not going to be here for the lynch deadline so I'm not going to be able to check if I can safely stay on debears or not Notice the wording. Townies don't care about looking "safe" with their votes. The care about lynching their biggest scumread. That's pretty much it. All of them (if not most) can be considered newbie town mistakes. I left out some of the speculation stuff. It shouldn't play a role against him. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I don't blame the inactive people too much because this game is now 7 against one. Moreover I guess they trust the outcome of the game to the confirmed townies and active players. @the last scum Unless you think you can take all of us all down, I think you might better concede. Look at what your dead teammates have done to this thread with their quick deaths ! All the excitement is gone now :s | ||
Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On October 05 2012 01:28 Djodref wrote: Also I would agree that Remedy has the strongest town posts among the newbie lurkers. But it could still be not so difficult to produce such a play as scum, doesn't it ? I mean that he mainly kept his eye on the newbies... He's null to me right now. Like you say his low activity level style play is easy to emulate as scum. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I've read your post. I'll answer all your points tomorrow if you don't mind. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
On October 05 2012 01:42 Djodref wrote: I'm off to bed guys ! I don't blame the inactive people too much because this game is now 7 against one. Moreover I guess they trust the outcome of the game to the confirmed townies and active players. @the last scum Unless you think you can take all of us all down, I think you might better concede. Look at what your dead teammates have done to this thread with their quick deaths ! All the excitement is gone now :s hm, waht? Aren't you excited to find the last scum? I don't want this game to last more than tomorrow. Pretty sure the dudes in the obs qt don't either lol hmm.. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
I thought I was his top scumread??????? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
nvm....i thought lynch was today....that confused me so much. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
##Vote Omniscient4983 This doesn't mean you're off the hook, Shady. Both of you need to start posting. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Until some time before lynch time tomorrow, I'll post my findings, explaining why. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
If your vote is not properly formatted it will not be counted. Everyone is required to vote. debears (0) - Omniscient4983 (3) - Z-Boson, Djodref, Sonic Death Monkey Not Voting (5) - Stutters695, debears, Shady Sands, RemedySC, Omniscient4983 With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Currently, nobody is set to be lynched! If you see that your vote is incorrect then pm me. You have about 22 hours left to vote! Deadline is at 20:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
I'm going to point out some main posts that I don't feel have been addressed. + Show Spoiler + On October 02 2012 08:01 Omniscient4983 wrote: Show nested quote + 4) Be decisive. The thread doesn't need to know every thought you have. You're talking about this person, then that person, then that guy over there. It's not that these cases aren't truthful/don't hold merit. I just find all of it to be a bit excessive. I apologize if it's inherently wrong to view it in such a manner. On September 29 2012 00:46 Omniscient4983 wrote: Sorry for making my introduction then disappearing. The game began late at night, and I had to sleep + attend university this morning. I'm reading up on all of this and will make my conclusions shortly. In these two posts, notice the defensive, apologetic feel to them. He accuses me and then says "I apologize if my views are wrong" (not confident, a pretty neutral, laid back accusation). In the second, he refers to the one liner that DP posted about people leaving after intro posts. Here's darth's post On September 28 2012 10:36 DarthPunk wrote: So is everyone just going to drop their welcome posts and then afk? Notice the time stamp. He brought that up over 12 hours before Omni made that post. It was a statement that DP, nor anyone else pursued. Yet, Omni went out of the way, at a time when kush was being grilled, to apologize. and finally On October 02 2012 05:10 Omniscient4983 wrote: Show nested quote + I'm not jumping the wagon--I've always thought Debears would be a candidate for lynch. There are many points against him, including the association / defense of Kush, townie reference, meta-based arguments, etc... the only thing as of late that erks me is all the different cases. It seems as if he's diverting attention / spreading chaos to make the case against him seem insignificant as compared to those of others. Z-BosoN made an extensive case against him--reference it if you'd like. The long cases don't so much confirm the suspicion as they do add to it. He uses Z-Bo's extensive case against me and my use of extensive cases against me (contradiction yes?). He claims I was spreading chaos, although he found the content of the posts acceptable. It seems he didn't like that someone might snoop up his alley. He never even addressed my case on him. He just said that extensive cases are bad.... He brought up a big post on DP that was a summary of Kush's and DP's argument timeline. He gave a close to neutral read (he said "slightly suspicious" on kush) He brought up the n1 nk WIFOM (Z-Bo I recall that you did this when you were scum in an earlier game. I think you'll agree that this is something scum can do to look like contributing). He has been more concerned with giving lurkers newbie town reads. He hasn't pushed a case. He just votes and scoots. He says that other's arguments are good but he doesn't explain why he thinks so. I would quote more but his filter is small. So, when I go down to basic thinking, I am looking at a few questions. Is he scumhunting? No. (pointing out 1 supposed scumslip, aka mine, does not make up for the rest of his posts) Is contributing anything to the main discussion points in a positive manner? No. Have his actions indicated that he is trying to actively help the town? No. Looking at his filter, I don't see much, if any, townie motivation for his posts. | ||
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
On October 01 2012 05:56 Omniscient4983 wrote: Thoughts on night actions: I'm guessing scum targeted Darth, and the medic saved him. He was the obvious candidate for NK, but the mafia tried to kill him anyway despite there being a high chance that a medic would be on him. This means that scum is desperate to get Darth out of the game. Why? Not only was he correct about Kush, but he gave his 3 top scum reads during the night in this order: Debears Djodref Alsn From my perspective: since scum targeted Darth, one of his three reads has a high likelihood of being correct. If he was headed in the wrong direction with these reads, scum would have taken out someone else and let him lead us astray. Attempting to NK Darth was a huge risk, but I believe it's one scum had to take because he was so on track, and having him alive would spell their doom in the end. What does everyone else think? This comment is pretty detailed. Now if he was mafia, could this be his thoughts on his attempted hit? Why would he write such a post as mafia? He seems pretty sure that mafia targeted Darth, and as mafia he would know... I am thinking though, that he could maybe be the medic that saved darth night one. Totally speculating, but I don't want to mislynch again. Also think about, Omni hadn't posted since before N2 started. If he was mafia you would think he would at least come into the thread to say something during the night when he makes his target. If he was the medic though, it could explain the lack of a save since he has been absent since D2... Does anyone have any other thoughts on this? | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
That feels like too many assumptions. It doesnt explain his filter | ||
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RemedySC
Canada176 Posts
I am also remembering reading somewhere, that if you think he could be the doctor, than he is most likely scum. Is that correct? But I'll re-quote that post, because I believe there is some significance to it. So again, why make this post as mafia? - On October 01 2012 05:56 Omniscient4983 wrote: Thoughts on night actions: I'm guessing scum targeted Darth, and the medic saved him. He was the obvious candidate for NK, but the mafia tried to kill him anyway despite there being a high chance that a medic would be on him. This means that scum is desperate to get Darth out of the game. Why? Not only was he correct about Kush, but he gave his 3 top scum reads during the night in this order: Debears Djodref Alsn From my perspective: since scum targeted Darth, one of his three reads has a high likelihood of being correct. If he was headed in the wrong direction with these reads, scum would have taken out someone else and let him lead us astray. Attempting to NK Darth was a huge risk, but I believe it's one scum had to take because he was so on track, and having him alive would spell their doom in the end. What does everyone else think? Why have such an out of the blue description of what could have happened? He seems to know a lot about what scum would have done in this situation. For mafia motivation I can see him trying to lead us to three lynches, which we've already done one. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
As town, he could simply be trying to push harder on the three he think are scum. As i said, the mafia motivation is what i see is more likely due to his filter | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Let's make the assumption that Omni is scum and let's take a look at this post. In this case, he has perfect motivations to write this post.
This is what I think of this post with a biased point of view. Now I would like Omni to explain his motivations regarding this post. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On October 05 2012 13:11 debears wrote: That is a possibility I'd consider. As town, he could simply be trying to push harder on the three he think are scum. As i said, the mafia motivation is what i see is more likely due to his filter I agree with your explanations for a townie motive for this post but out of us three, Omni only firmly believed that you were scum. He is just sheeping on Alsn (but I did it as well so...) and he even has a town-read on me ! | ||
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