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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On October 05 2012 14:30 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Is this the point where you disappear again? Confirmed. I'll just say right away I'm not jumping a late Boson wagon, at least not if those are the arguments. Shady's post is a joke, what does this even mean? On October 05 2012 14:19 Shady Sands wrote: his unvote of Debears and transfer to Alsn is also wierd I have no idea what's going on here. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On October 05 2012 15:07 Djodref wrote: Seriously guys, we have to be careful. Looking at today's discussion, in the case of a town Omni, this is just a golden day for the last scum ! He can just drop by, cast his vote on Omni with a good reason because it's true that he does look scummy and disappear without anyone noticing him. In my opinion, Omni is a lurker above anything else and we have yet to hear from him. With his posting habits, I doubt that he is going to have enough time to defend himself... And what's your counter suggestion? Push a lynch on Boson who no one other than Debears seem to have looked into in detail until just a few minutes ago? What happened to your conviction to lynch Debears? | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
If you don't mind, I'd like to discuss Omni's fate when he comes back to the thread and starts defending himself. At this rate, we could almost hope a modkill on him... And right now, I want to lynch debears much much more than Z-Boson. I think you have misread me. Also regarding the vote of Z-Boson during D2, I really felt that he reserved his right to vote after his "battle for the noose post". By unvoting just after this post (let the best scum survive) and voting at the end of day for the wagon of his choice, it could have been a very safe way to cast his vote, if he was scum. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Thanks for that post SS, it brought out some very interesting reactions. Of course, your case is laughable, as usual. Of course, as scum, I would want to switch my vote towards a townie, in favor of, let's see, another townie. I will definitely bother producing a fuckton of text just for that. Anyways, djodref managed to be even worse. Please reread your points against me, and think of how they could come from me as scum. Think about what your FOS accomplishes for town here today. I'll be accepting donations to make up for you making my eyes bleed. If Omni doesn't answer, it's either debears/djodref/SS imo. Pointless lynching a modkill. Will decide come tomorrow, I gotta go sleep. SDM, I'd love to know your input on who you'd rather lynch save Omni. I'm sleepy as hell and will go to sleep, but probably during class tomorrow I'm gonna make up my mind. RSC, same thing. Gnight! | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
If your vote is not properly formatted it will not be counted. Everyone is required to vote. debears (0) - Omniscient4983 (4) - Z-Boson, Djodref, Sonic Death Monkey, RemedySC Not Voting (4) - Stutters695, debears, Shady Sands, Omniscient4983 With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch. Currently, nobody is set to be lynched! If you see that your vote is incorrect then pm me. You have about 11 hours 30 minutes lefts to vote! Deadline is at 20:00 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On October 05 2012 16:41 Z-BosoN wrote: This is very intriguing... Thanks for that post SS, it brought out some very interesting reactions. Of course, your case is laughable, as usual. Of course, as scum, I would want to switch my vote towards a townie, in favor of, let's see, another townie. I will definitely bother producing a fuckton of text just for that. Anyways, djodref managed to be even worse. Please reread your points against me, and think of how they could come from me as scum. Think about what your FOS accomplishes for town here today. I'll be accepting donations to make up for you making my eyes bleed. If Omni doesn't answer, it's either debears/djodref/SS imo. Pointless lynching a modkill. Will decide come tomorrow, I gotta go sleep. SDM, I'd love to know your input on who you'd rather lynch save Omni. I'm sleepy as hell and will go to sleep, but probably during class tomorrow I'm gonna make up my mind. RSC, same thing. Gnight! This is exactly the sort of post which I don't like seeing from Z-Boson. Let's see what it does for him here: 1) It makes him look pro-town without contributing independent analysis 2) It lets him potentially join a wagon on nearly anyone in the town without looking suspicious 3) It puts all the onus for scumhunting on other people while not putting his own neck out for anyone 4) It lets him have an excuse to get the last word in/join a wagon late without his timing looking suspicious at all | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On October 05 2012 16:11 Djodref wrote: And right now, I want to lynch debears much much more than Z-Boson. I think you have misread me. Also regarding the vote of Z-Boson during D2, I really felt that he reserved his right to vote after his "battle for the noose post". By unvoting just after this post (let the best scum survive) and voting at the end of day for the wagon of his choice, it could have been a very safe way to cast his vote, if he was scum. I don't know what you're trying to say. Under the assumption Boson is scum, it was a town/town wagon. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On October 05 2012 16:41 Z-BosoN wrote: This is very intriguing... Thanks for that post SS, it brought out some very interesting reactions. Of course, your case is laughable, as usual. Of course, as scum, I would want to switch my vote towards a townie, in favor of, let's see, another townie. I will definitely bother producing a fuckton of text just for that. Anyways, djodref managed to be even worse. Please reread your points against me, and think of how they could come from me as scum. Think about what your FOS accomplishes for town here today. I'll be accepting donations to make up for you making my eyes bleed. If Omni doesn't answer, it's either debears/djodref/SS imo. Pointless lynching a modkill. Will decide come tomorrow, I gotta go sleep. SDM, I'd love to know your input on who you'd rather lynch save Omni. I'm sleepy as hell and will go to sleep, but probably during class tomorrow I'm gonna make up my mind. RSC, same thing. Gnight! Not sure, Shady was my second pick until my brain just recently exploded. Djo's FOS was totally of the blue but I don't necessarily see a strong mafia motivation. If he's mafia maybe he wanted an easy wagon on you and backed off once Debears and I replied? Seems kind of unlikely. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
1) ZB's behavior toward Kush during D1 2) Why ZB is losing focus on Debears Now let's go back to Z-Boson's words during the Kush meltdown: First a soft defense: I'm not against a kush lynch atm, but from what I gather kush's case is mostly meta-based with a side dish of not-scumhunting and also general scummy-looking posts. I think my evidence against debear is much more damning. Please read carefully his posts and my case and see if you don't agree. Then somehow But oh they can. Scum can't genuinely scumhunt, and will usually make mistakes in doing so. This early in the game, debears has managed to quickly change his mind about pursuing scum not once, but twice. Him just forgetting all about Djoref and basically assuming him to be town was just ??SDFG ?A?SDF?A?SDF?. His inconsistencies to me look more scummy then townie, especially when looking at how repetitive his arguments are. Who do you think is a better lynch then, kush? Grace us with a case. He asks Kush for a case And then he keeps asking Kush for cases http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16400584 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16400729 While still soft-defending Kush: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16400743 Still trying to "redeem" Kush http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16400878 etc. etc. What is important here is not what Z-Boson is saying to Kush, but how he's saying it: Z-Boson is treating Kush with some degree of good faith while maintaining skepticism of other posters. This is really what's really strange. At first, I didn't think in a 3-scum setup 2 of the scum could band together so obviously, but after realizing that Lesrah was basically AFK/a potential modkill, then it makes sense: Z-Boson is actually doing everything he can to save the scumteam since one of their members is already gone, and it's showing through in his posts to Kush. The second part of this case comes about from Z-Boson's case on Debears. The case starts D1, and it starts very strong, so much so that ZB was pushing it over the Kush wagon, but then Z-B somehow is willing to ditch it (after a long explanatory post, of course) for an Alsn wagon. Then Alsn is mislynched. Now ZB is flinging accusations everywhere at the rest of town without focusing back on Debears. This makes no sense to me, since if Debears is ZB's top read other than the Alsn mislynch wagon which he joined, why isn't he refocusing on his original read? Answer: because ZB doesn't want Debears townie alignment revealed, obviously, since that would reveal him as pushing a mislynch from D1 and hurt his towncred, which is a vital resource for scum if they want to survive from a 7-1 situation through to LYLO. This is the second deeper point here: every single post from ZB hasn't necessarily been to advance the scumhunt, but rather generate a lot of noise so as to improve ZB's towncred. Read his filter and see if ZB is actually putting his money where his mouth is, or whether he's just making the right noises to not get lynched himself. At this point, I'm very convinced that ZB is scum. So should you. ##Vote Z-Boson | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On October 05 2012 20:09 Shady Sands wrote: This is exactly the sort of post which I don't like seeing from Z-Boson. Let's see what it does for him here: 1) It makes him look pro-town without contributing independent analysis 2) It lets him potentially join a wagon on nearly anyone in the town without looking suspicious 3) It puts all the onus for scumhunting on other people while not putting his own neck out for anyone 4) It lets him have an excuse to get the last word in/join a wagon late without his timing looking suspicious at all You haven't even clarified why you voted Debears. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On October 05 2012 20:27 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: You haven't even clarified why you voted Debears. I voted Alsn?? | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
ebwop I see what you mean here. I voted Debears because he was playing scummy, and because other than him, there was no good lynch candidate. But if Z-Boson is scum, then Debears can't be, and it makes me view the case on Debears (a large part of which came from ZB) in a new light. Does that make sense? | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On October 05 2012 20:32 Shady Sands wrote: ebwop I see what you mean here. I voted Debears because he was playing scummy, and because other than him, there was no good lynch candidate. But if Z-Boson is scum, then Debears can't be, and it makes me view the case on Debears (a large part of which came from ZB) in a new light. Does that make sense? No, not at all. For starters, explain why Debears can't be scum. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I think we can have a consensus today on debears and hopefully Omni gets modkilled. What do you think about this proposition ? | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On October 05 2012 20:36 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Besides you voted Debears after Alsn had flipped green. If you think Alsn's green flip means Debears can't be scum, why did you vote on him? Because I skimmed the thread as opposed to reading everyone's filters closely enough. I fucked up and went for the easy case as opposed to actually doing some digging of my own. | ||
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