EPT##Vote Debears
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Djodref
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##Vote Debears I'm going out now ! And also I'm happy to see some action | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On October 05 2012 20:37 Djodref wrote: So why shouldn't we lynch debears first to have his alignment ? I think we can have a consensus today on debears and hopefully Omni gets modkilled. What do you think about this proposition ? I'd rather we lynch Z-B first. If Debears flips green and scum whack me or someone who's pushing the Z-B lynch then there's always a chance he can sway the rest of town and slip out of their grasp. If Z-B flips green it's still likely that town can secure a Debears lynch no matter what. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
A) shady's vote on me is too retarded to come from scum. B) shady's vote on me is retarded enough for him to be scum. Its not that I was wrong about alsn. Its that I want town cred. Actually the main reasons I'm less suspicious of debears I've already stated. I don't think his actions are necessarily scum-motivated. He also tried convincing kush to stop his antiques, and I don't see him doing that outside the QT to draw attention to himself. Its called reconsidering, not "I want to lynch a townie so as to not lynch a townie" shitfest you have going on. Going by experience, everytime I've seriously felt like punching you silly, you were town. That only leaves djodref. Expect some heat buddy. Your fos of me was hella weird. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On October 05 2012 20:37 Djodref wrote: So why shouldn't we lynch debears first to have his alignment ? I think we can have a consensus today on debears and hopefully Omni gets modkilled. What do you think about this proposition ? If we lynch Debears it should be because we think he's a likely scum. I'm not totally opposed to that idea, but do you think his alignment will tell us? Besides I'm more suspicious of this Shady guy than I am of Debears atm. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
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Shady Sands
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On October 05 2012 20:39 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: But it still makes no sense to me. You assume Boson is scum, thus Debears can't be scum and thus Boson must be scum. Your assumption is your conclusion. No I know Alsn is town. I know ZB is trying to avoid pushing hard for a Debears lynch D2/3 even though he pushed a Debears lynch D1. Thus ZB's case on Debears feels insincere. Thus most of the case on Debears gets thrown out by me. At the same time, I ask why ZB would want to push for a D1 Debears lynch even over Kush. Answer: Save Kush since Lesrah is AFK. I also ask why ZB would suddenly back away D2/D3. Answer: Avoid having town realize that the D1 push on Debears was a mislynch, accrue towncred, survive till endgame. I cannot find any townie motivation why ZB would flip from pushing Debears over Kush D1 to accepting Alsn D2 and FoSing half the town over Debears D3. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On October 05 2012 20:43 Z-BosoN wrote: LOL. Shady. Omg. Right now I'm trying to figure out if: A) shady's vote on me is too retarded to come from scum. B) shady's vote on me is retarded enough for him to be scum. Its not that I was wrong about alsn. Its that I want town cred. Actually the main reasons I'm less suspicious of debears I've already stated. I don't think his actions are necessarily scum-motivated. He also tried convincing kush to stop his antiques, and I don't see him doing that outside the QT to draw attention to himself. Its called reconsidering, not "I want to lynch a townie so as to not lynch a townie" shitfest you have going on. Going by experience, everytime I've seriously felt like punching you silly, you were town. That only leaves djodref. Expect some heat buddy. Your fos of me was hella weird. You FoS'd half the town in your last few posts. Now you focus on Djodref for OMGUS? | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Gj knowing alsn is town btw. You must be smart. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On October 05 2012 20:51 Z-BosoN wrote: That's maybe because I changed my mind? Gj knowing alsn is town btw. You must be smart. Except the way you changed your mind makes no sense at all. You say my case is laughable/silly then you say you'd be okay voting me. Then you say that every time you want to punch me for being silly, my meta indicates I'm town, but now you'd be fine voting Djodref because he agrees with my case and you don't understand it. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Gonnna try to reach some conclusion on djedref. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
He's mentioned he's played mafia elsewhere before, so he knows a thing or two. Hes playing the newbie card A lot (and I mean, a lot!), and he also makes posts generally scum don't like to make (ithis gives me towncred, right?) He distances himself on lehsrac, happy he will be lynched. As townie I'm definitely not happy he got modkilled, so this seems like an attempt at distancing himself. His interactions with kush are flimsy at best. He also safely nested on debears when debears had an infinite amount of pressure on him, and stayed there. If we assume debears is town, claiming him his top scumread is very very comfortable for scum. His latest fos on me was inconsistent as fuck, given his interactions with me all game long. He also thinks debears is scum, but doesn't push it, like, at all. I'm still deciding if I'm gonna go full-force on him when I get home, but please keep this in mind when reading his filter. RSC and SDM, I invoke you yet again to read his filter with this in mind. One more thing: if he was town and felt that way about me, why didn't he say so before? The only reasonable explanation is because he thought it would be antitown. If he thought it antitown, he would have argued so when commenting on shady sands on my case. This seems very reasonable for a townie to do, do you agree? | ||
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Z-BosoN
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Z-BosoN
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On October 05 2012 20:46 Shady Sands wrote: No I know Alsn is town. I know ZB is trying to avoid pushing hard for a Debears lynch D2/3 even though he pushed a Debears lynch D1. Thus ZB's case on Debears feels insincere. Thus most of the case on Debears gets thrown out by me. At the same time, I ask why ZB would want to push for a D1 Debears lynch even over Kush. Answer: Save Kush since Lesrah is AFK. I also ask why ZB would suddenly back away D2/D3. Answer: Avoid having town realize that the D1 push on Debears was a mislynch, accrue towncred, survive till endgame. I cannot find any townie motivation why ZB would flip from pushing Debears over Kush D1 to accepting Alsn D2 and FoSing half the town over Debears D3. That's actually an interesting case. It's true Boson ignored the Kush case d1. He had a good case on Debears imo, so I didn't really find it weird he was pushing his own case (we all tend to be biased towards our own cases, at least that's true for me). I need to go back and look up his filter myself. He did switch to Alsn and I can't remember his reasonings. I feel like the individual pieces of evidence you have are not that strong, but they paint an interesting picture. One question I have right off the bat, if it was all a big master plan, why did he initially vote for Debears d2? Seems like it could've caused the noose battle to become one-sided. Anyway, I'll go back and check his filter, I'm not 100% sure of those events. What do you think of the Omni case? Having to read both of your filters I doubt I'll have time to make up my mind on this and I still like it. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
The other "argument" that my whole purpose for the battle of the noose was to give myself some towncred is utterly, utterly ridiculous. Never in a million years would I be able to fathom why I would go through all that effort to switch between townies when I can safely (and non-suspiciously) stand behind a scummy as hell looking debears lynch with another prominent townie like DP supporting me in a desperate attempt to gain some town cred (somehow..). Only so then I want to go 180 and claim debears townie when I could just as easily (you know, like djodref is) maintain him as a top suspect, especially after writing extensive cases on him. I also gave my reasoning on everything. Can't fucking believe I actually had to do this. Read my take on djodref if you will. I want to lynch him, will decide how much when I get home. Omni is a waste right now, I think, he's like to get modkilled. If he even dares to post anything this late, lynch him the next day. | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
Also, sdm. Save my filter for the night. If you don't have enough time, decide between SS and djodref. This idea to bring up a ridiculous case on me in late day 3 when I'm not even a lynch choice is typical shady's dumb thinking, which mostly manifests itself when he is town. Also, doint ignore the fact he ignored your case. Anyways, I'm leaning slight town on him (plus, corrosion bothered writing a list before he left, as if he genuinely wants to help town. I feel if he were scum, he would just abandon this game and not care). omni seems scummy but is a wasteful lynch if he gets nodkilled, so that only leaves djodref, from my pov. Now that, from a skim of his filter, I can definitely see him as sxum, I want to lynch him atm. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
Alsn by Darth 1-1 Debears by Alsn 2-1 Debears by Omni 3-1 Alsn by SDM 3-2 Alsn by Debears 3-3 Alsn by Shady 4-4 Unvote + BotN by Boson 3-4 Alsn by Remedy 3-5 Alsn by Djo 2-6 Alsn by Stutters 2-7 Alsn by Boson 2-8 I'd need my conspiracy goggles on to see Boson pushing Alsn here. Read the links, it doesn't looks like Boson tries to nudge the decision in Debears favor. The case doesn't necessarily hinge on this, but it makes it considerably weaker. I'd need more time to read filters... | ||
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