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On August 28 2012 13:31 Risen wrote: ALRIGHT, I'LL DO IT. /in all I have is bad memories from some sexy scum play between you and mattchew in LIII | ||
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By this he means, every time you put together a case that no one else believes just tell them if your wrong you'll eat your hat. | ||
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On August 31 2012 19:35 marvellosity wrote: why aren't we policy lynching zentor Im not familiar with zentor fill me in | ||
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On September 01 2012 00:33 Shady Sands wrote: Where are node and mementoss? Also, Solarsail seems to be trying to skulk through an active discussion. I don't really like that. Sup? Reading. I think deadline will be a problem for me most nights. I will be able to stay until an hour away so its not bad. Since a lot of people have to leave really far from deadline, its best to get cases out early in the day discuss them and vote when you think you have scum, so it doesn't end up being a last minute vote switching bandwagoning shit fest. Hopeless knows about this.  | ||
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My opinion on this BMB fiasco is that he seems a bit scummy to me. His posts just rub me the wrong way and his case was bad. I'm not going to go much farther into this as it's already been fleshed out by many but I'll be interested in seeing a response from him. The way he talks about his personal scum preferences is odd, and the question to the hosts could just be a scam to make himself look town, when he actually knew the answer because he received this fake role. I think the case was bad and forced from a scum perspective because if you look through his early filter he realized he was talking a lot, but it was purely filler, and was scared of getting called out on it soon, so he decided to make a case up so no one would call him out for "contributing without actually saying much". I agree that Risen's play is not his normal town play, of guns blazing and doing crazy shit to get reactions out. If we are going to set the tone here that lurking is unacceptable as town we might as well start day one, and try to set ourselves up for a winning situation later in the game. Also based on his less than stellar game history... So for now.. ##Vote: Mr.Zentor Also I think that people should be giving their gut thoughts and put in a vote at the start of each day, so we can discuss our way through the best person for the lynch throughout the day. People don't seem to realize how short a 24 hour cycle is, so getting a vote in ASAP is important for discussion and consolidation on voting out a scum. Obviously this is impossible to do on day 1, but I think it should be done for further days. | ||
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On September 01 2012 01:17 strongandbig wrote: Well, I still find Hapahauli's posts about Hopeless suspicious. I agree that blackmamba's case on him was bad, but don't forget that the original reason for suspicion on him was that interaction. Anyone care to comment on that side of things? Like, am I just up a tree here or was he being kinda sketch? I do think that "he made a bad case" is not sufficient reason to go after blackmamba. I mean, many recent games show that veterans can and do make bad cases on occasion, even when they're town. It's a data point, but not the strongest one. But here's another question we should spend some time discussing before it gets too late. Assuming not enough players agree on lynching either hapahauli or blackmamba, what's better - no lynch or policy lynch on a lurker? The odds of hitting scum with a policy lynch are small unless it's Palmar's magic random lynch - so I see the main benefit of a policy lynch as forcing the survivors to shape up (and maybe some impact on future games, but imo we should be thinking about winning this one). Is that worth probably killing a townie? I think no lynch will just leave us in the same spot tomorrow discussing the same things, worst comes to worse you get rid of someone that is always going to be in the back of your mind later in the game. Imagine being in this situation: kenpachi, bill murray, mr.zentor, grush, and yourself. Based on their normal play style its going to be pretty damn hard to analyse their play and actually getting the scum would be pretty lucky. | ||
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On September 01 2012 01:31 Hapahauli wrote: @ Momentoss http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625¤tpage=10#189 If I'm following you correctly... 1) You don't like Ghost's defense of BMB 2) You think BMB is slighly scummy 3) You think Risen is not behaving like his normal town persona Then... you vote Mr.Zentor for lurking? What? Yeah that's correct. I didn't say I found ghost to be scummy because of it, I just feel you can get a more "real" reaction out of someone under more pressure defending themselves without help from another player, especially in a situation so far away from lynch. BMB I'm awaiting a response from. Risen hasn't posted enough to make a definite opinion on him. Didn't you say you wanted to enforce policy lynches on people that were lurking the town? Or did you just say that because you thought that would be a typical town opener to the game? | ||
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On September 01 2012 01:47 Hapahauli wrote: The problem I'm having is that you're waiting for opinions and waiting for posts when you have legitimate reasons to pressure posters. What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious? You came in, passively fingerpointed a bunch of players, and aren't pressuring them for information. I don't know what else to say to you. I don't think ghost is scum, though I didn't like the way he defended bmb. BMB has been getting constantly talked about and called scum by every second person. I want to give him a chance to respond to the thread. Voting Mr.Zentor is going to make him post something I think is worthy of him showing that he is going to make an attempt at being useful this game. You've officially went from soft defending Zentor to hard defending him, in an aggressive way against me. Guess you voting him at the start of the game was two scum buddy buddying around in the thread? + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2012 01:40 Shady Sands wrote: This post makes absolutely no sense. Momen can you further explain? Who dafuq is momen. | ||
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On September 01 2012 03:05 ghost_403 wrote: S+B: What are your thoughts on Mementoss at the moment? On September 01 2012 01:21 Mementoss wrote: That being said, most of ghosts talk so far has been on this, so I would like to ask him if he had to make a vote now, who would it be and why? | ||
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On September 01 2012 04:40 Shady Sands wrote: Alright, enough of this bullshit. ## Vote Node Until he posts. I'm also amenable to a wagon on Zentor. As for Momen, I want to his response. As for BlackMamba, I haven't had a chance to read through his filter yet. Will check thread again 5 hours from now. What exactly do you want me to respond to I've responded to everything. I'll get some eats and be back, I have a couple new thoughts based on new posts that I'll post when I have time and come back. On September 01 2012 04:41 mkfuba07 wrote: Thanks for the kenpach rule info Hopeless. I used google because I didn't know it was a TL thing. I'll check TL first next time. HiroPro's case was convincing. Momentoss seems to be casting a wide net of suspicion without committing to anything. Even his Mr.Zentor vote is just "for now..." He seems indifferent as to who gets lynched. I haven't felt like Hapa has been defending Mr.Z at all, but has instead been trying to figure out why Momentoss is voting him instead of any of the other candidates he's mentioned, or even any of the other lurkers. Momentoss then builds this "hard defense" into an associative case where neither of the players involved has flipped (naturally). These claims can be made of anyone who has responded to anything another player has said, and cannot be proven or disproven without a lynch on one of the two involved. In fact, I was lightly involved in the "buddy buddying" around in the beginning, and am now "hard defending" Mr.Z by his logic. Am I next on the scumlist? This line of reasoning may seem like scumhunting but there's nothing to base a read on. ##Vote Momentoss Im glad people don't know my name so I don't get voted. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.viewclips.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Memento-2000.jpg) This is one of my favourite movies, and my screen name. However it was taken what a shame. ![[image loading]](http://blog.ocad.ca/wordpress/vism2b15-fw2011-01/files/2011/09/The_Protoss_of_Auir_by_Narutohinatafan.jpg) I play protoss in Starcraft BW and Starcraft 2. Memento + Protoss = Mementoss But really, it should be Memento. | ||
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Here's some things I noticed about the wagon on me: + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2012 04:41 mkfuba07 wrote: Thanks for the kenpach rule info Hopeless. I used google because I didn't know it was a TL thing. I'll check TL first next time. HiroPro's case was convincing. Momentoss seems to be casting a wide net of suspicion without committing to anything. Even his Mr.Zentor vote is just "for now..." He seems indifferent as to who gets lynched. I haven't felt like Hapa has been defending Mr.Z at all, but has instead been trying to figure out why Momentoss is voting him instead of any of the other candidates he's mentioned, or even any of the other lurkers. Momentoss then builds this "hard defense" into an associative case where neither of the players involved has flipped (naturally). These claims can be made of anyone who has responded to anything another player has said, and cannot be proven or disproven without a lynch on one of the two involved. In fact, I was lightly involved in the "buddy buddying" around in the beginning, and am now "hard defending" Mr.Z by his logic. Am I next on the scumlist? This line of reasoning may seem like scumhunting but there's nothing to base a read on. ##Vote Momentoss Something that bugs me about this post is how he said HiroPro's case was convincing. HiroPro's case is really just everything Hapa said/ asked me. But put into one post. + Show Spoiler + On September 01 2012 03:15 HiroPro wrote: Ok, I think we should lynch mementoss. I'm heading out for lunch and I'll be back in half an hour. At first glance, this seems like a solid contribution. Mementoss talks about most of the major things that have happened in this thread. However, look at what Mementoss is actually saying: he spends an inordinate amount of time talking about what ghost should and should not do only to ask ghost a rather basic question and then proceeds to talk about how certain hypothetical thought processes make him think BlackMamba is scum even though he said he wasn't going to talk much about Mamba and wanted to hear more from him... The rest of his post just summarizes general feelings that are going on in the thread. In the middle of this post, Mementoss says that he voted for Mr. Zentor in order to get him to post something useful, indicating that he has no clear view of Mr. Zentor's alignment. However, right after that Mementoss accuses Hapahauli of soft/hard defending Mr. Zentor and being his scumbuddy. Not only does this not make any sense, as the only posts that Hapahuli has made about Zentor are asking Mementoss why he voted for him, but Mementoss displays a clear disconnect in the way that he perceives Zentor (on one hand being someone he needs to see more from, on the other hand as a scumbuddy). Mementoss is attempting to seem useful when his posts actually say very little. His reaction to Hapahauli's questions are to throw doubt and accusations in a nonsensical manner. He's scum. ##Vote Mementoss "The rest of his post just summarizes general feelings that are going on in the thread." - And this makes me scum how. I feel like HiroPro took everything Hala noticed and put it into a case to make a contribution. He basically just regurgitated everything I said and told you what I said. He didn't say how or why it made me scum at all. "In the middle of this post, Mementoss says that he voted for Mr. Zentor in order to get him to post something useful, indicating that he has no clear view of Mr. Zentor's alignment." - How would you have a clear view of anyones alignment on day 1? Do you know something I don't? You have never voted someone to get a contribution out of them? "Mementoss is attempting to seem useful when his posts actually say very little. His reaction to Hapahauli's questions are to throw doubt and accusations in a nonsensical manner. He's scum." - I found this funny, since Hiro's entire case said nothing other than spitting out my post in new words. He never said Why or how things make me scummy. Then MKFuba goes on to state I don't care who gets lynched, I tried to give my opinions and generate discussion between a couple of players. Generating discussion allows people to find scum. Has he even read the game? He's voting me because I seem indifferent for who is going to be lynched? What about the guy right in front of you eyes: ShadySands On August 31 2012 14:40 Shady Sands wrote: I think Hopeless is saying something quite townish here. He's saying that he hopes people will warn him if he's lurking instead of just hammering him. Hapa, why are you turning his call for a warning shot into a suggestion that he will lurk? This is twisting something perfectly townish into a scum read, and then voting him on it. You weren't like this in XXIII (when you flipped Cop), indeed, there, you refrained from making a D1 vote until the very last 2 hours prior to lynch. And in this game, there are a whole bunch more lurkers/bad townies at this point in time for you to list out/go after than Hopeless or any of your shortlisted names in XXIII. So why would you go for it this time? FoS Hapahauli FoS on Hapa, no follow up or mention ever again On September 01 2012 01:40 Shady Sands wrote: This post makes absolutely no sense. Momen can you further explain? So, what. Shady either didn't put in no attempt to read this post or he can't read. I think it was pretty clear what I was saying. He's shadowing Hala at this point in the thread, a person who he early read as scum. And doesn't ask what he wants to know about this. On September 01 2012 04:12 Shady Sands wrote: Hapa what's your read on the Momen case? My read on Momen is scum but I want to give him a chance to respond to the accusations before voting him. Well this was one of the main points of the case on me, that I said I thought BMB had scummy actions, but I would wait for more of a response before I had a final verdict. I got called scum for doing this and voting for Mr.Z to get any discussion from him at all. Seems nervous to commit to a vote. First the FoS on Hala rather than a vote and now this? Why so careful? Why so nervous about committing to a vote if you have a scum read on me? On September 01 2012 04:40 Shady Sands wrote: Alright, enough of this bullshit. ## Vote Node Until he posts. I'm also amenable to a wagon on Zentor. As for Momen, I want to his response. As for BlackMamba, I haven't had a chance to read through his filter yet. Will check thread again 5 hours from now. Wait isn't this also what the case on me said. Voting someone to get discussion out of someone? So Shady is being very hypocritical calling me scum for things he is doing as well. He doesn't even know BMB's filter, its only been 12 pages for the whole game, and BMB has been the main discussion for the whole time. He doesn't know about the main day 1 discussion? Does he care? He asks me for a response, but never specifies what this response is. He also says he will wagon on Zentor. Wow. So he has a scum read on me, but hes willing to vote on Node or Zentor, and has BMB in his mind. Wow Shady is sure keeping his options open.. So MKfuba you better have a better reason for voting me, other than I seem indifferent for who gets lynched, when you have Slim Shady over here voting anyone who is the popular choice at the time. So everyone who voted me, why don't you explain why you think I'm scum, rather than just regergitate what I posted and tell people what you think it meant? How is what I posted scum motivated etc? | ||
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##Unvote: Mr.Zentor ##Vote: ShadySands | ||
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On September 01 2012 06:39 marvellosity wrote: alright, I'm about to head out. Please consolidate guys. Disappointing day 1 contribution from marv. I hope he comes back drunk and at least makes a funny drunk post. | ||
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To answer HiroPro. I occasionally say aggressive statements like this for people I'm null for to get some sort of reaction out of them and can make another opinion on them based on how they react. Sometimes it's been the case that people on the same scum team avoid communication in the thread or joke around with each other in the thread to lessen the distance between them. "Then... you vote Mr.Zentor for lurking? What?" This is what I considered to be a soft defense, trying to take the heat off him from that moment. "What does voting MrZentor even do, when you find other people suspicious?" Then implying that I am voting him for no reason and downplaying it, is what I considered a harder defense. As obviously I had a reason for doing it, and explaining it basically takes away all effectiveness of the action. I hope that clears it up to you hiro. | ||
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On September 01 2012 07:32 Mementoss wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359357&user=116463 day 1 pokemafia SnB Only thing I noticed is in pokemafia he seemed to try and be a town leader, and lead cases. In this game he seems to be more going with the flow. imo | ||
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On September 01 2012 07:37 BlackMamba24 wrote: There's nothing in the OP, what alignment was he in this game? town | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:03 Palmar wrote: hey I'll be voting whatever ghost_403 is voting because I think he's town. why do you think he is town? | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:05 strongandbig wrote: Or maybe it's not a fake claim and I'm actually a miller? And I want to deal with that and get it out of the way in a game full of detectives? Occam's razor, man. One terrible case is excusable, but two is too much to be a coincidence. I mean seriously, what you're saying is that I tried too hard to help town out when I told everyone that I'm a miller, and therefore I must be scum? In what world does that make sense? I can see a reason for claiming miller as town and mafia. Obviously as town you don't want to cause confusion later in the game. As mafia you would do if because if you get checked later you can use it as an excuse. It seems more likely as town. You would need some pretty big balls to out yourself like that day 1 as mafia. Regardless I kinda think we should ignore the claim and base his alignment based on his other posting and his motivations/play. Also about the case shady makes on ghost, it makes me feel a little un-easy about my vote on him because I had essentially the same notes about ghost down, but I've had a lot of trouble reading ghost in previous games. | ||
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Lol I forgot that game, he clearly has me red on his map from day 1. The difference between this game and that game is huge though. That game, he probably wanted to act useless so he didn't get killed night 1 by scum, and than come into the thread with some good reads when more information is available. There is no excuse this game though because its controlled completely by lynches with no night phase. So it's really confusing to me why he would join the game and play useless. | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:30 Shady Sands wrote: MMT: you posted a little bit about how bad the cases on you were. I used what you posted and expanded it on Ghost. Can you please read that case? I did read the case and posted my thoughts on it. It is pretty much the same as I have for my notes on ghost. The problem is I think this about ghost every game. It makes me uneasy that my vote is on you when you are having the same thought process as me, the problem is you coulda easily been in scum QT and someone told you to make a solid unique case. Who would your number 2 scum read be? Also, I can't post much now, having a few drinks with friends. But if it comes down to it I will be switching my vote to save myself to the 2nd most votes, because from my perspective im 100% confirmed town, so lynching anyone other than myself has a way better chance of catchng a scum. | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:36 ghost_403 wrote: Alright, let's see what happened while I was gone. For reference, MMToss' defense So far, nothing has convinced me to take my vote off of MMToss. His defense against the people voting him amounted to "the people voting for me are lazy/stupid, oh and here's someone I think is scum". I really can't see a town player posting his defense in such a way. By the way, Shady's not scum. See Newbie Mini Mafia XXV. He's not acting like that in this game at all. you actually never mentioned why you thought I was scum | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:50 Hapahauli wrote: Hmm... where's our friend SolarSail? and hopeless hasnt been around in ages either | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:53 Hapahauli wrote: ##Vote SolarSail For being useless. I think hes going to be modkilled :S Like a lot of people. | ||
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On September 01 2012 09:05 BlackMamba24 wrote: I think you should reconsider voting for Palmar. I've played with him quite a few times and being super arrogant and even lurking 100% aren't abnormal for him as town on Day 1. He is extremely valuable down the line if he is town and not too hard to deal with if he isn't. In Arkham he even lied about being the leader of the scum team just to fuck with people and iirc he was town (or maybe third party) in that. Hapahauli, reread MMtoss's defense. Is it really convincing? He doesn't defend himself so much as he attacks Shady Sands (while not voting for him or accusing him, odd.) who in my mind is one of the most obviously town players here. He just says what he's doing isn't scummy but I really don't agree. The way he throws his "reads" (i.e. always useless scummy fluff shit) into a case which is a bad case to begin with is completely off-base. This could be a case of bad town, it's Day 1 we statistically are almost sure to lynch a townie today, but at least it's something. Palmar gives us nothing. The flip is useless. This is a policy "I don't like Palmar" vote. The only "case" against him is a lazy meta read. Even if Mementoss flips town we have another thing to consider when going back through Day 1 and reading peoples posts. Palmar is a bad vote. The worst vote. Guess ya dropped the SnB thing completely eh? | ||
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##Unvote: ShadySands ##Vote: Palmar I know I'm town, and me not dieing gives a hell of a lot better chances of actually killing scum, rather than killing someone actually generating discussion towards finding scum. @hapa, Apparently Hiro usually posts one-liners all the time, but your first 2 bullets are good. If I die, kill ghost or blackmamba. | ||
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Im a bit lost, about this suspicious detective thing. Why don't you believe him can you give some clarification? | ||
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On September 02 2012 00:18 HiroPro wrote: Because for one, it's really unlikely to have certain millers be unaware, certain self-aware. Second, look at what s&b wrote. When he first claimed self-aware miller, he said that he didn't know what circumstances would cause him to return as suspicious or normal (he talked about how certain people's checks may be reliable, certain may not). However, now he's claiming that his role PM told him that he'll return suspicious when there are less than half the players remaining in this game. What SnB is saying sounds extremely made up and on the spot. Also if he knew he was a miller, wouldn't he have claimed it in the games theme, as suspicious detective? Im sure they wouldn't have said, you are miller, they would have said Suspicious Detective. ##Vote: StrongandBig | ||
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On September 02 2012 00:23 ghost_403 wrote: Hey guys! What's going on in this thread! Today is crazy for me, so I'm going to be making one post today, and that's it. Thoughts on NKs: I'm thinking Hapa was a town KP due to the flavor, and BMB was the scum KP. Knowing this is not particularly enlightening. I don't put any more faith in BMB's reads (or any less in Hapa's) because of this. Obviously, BMB was killed because he was acting very town. Look through his filter and use it as a town biased viewpoint. Don't ignore what dead townies have to say. I can't believe the town let Palmar be lynched Day 1. Sure, he was useless, but seriously? Town reads: MrZentor (unfortunately), Shady Sands (double unfortunately) and Node (WTF?????). Check out Node's previous games. In Hammer, he did basically the same thing, where he contributed next to nothing throughout all of Day 1, and he rolled Vig in that game. In this game, he was gone for most of the day, but when he came back he was opinionated and aggressive. Lurking scum would be much more apologetic. Zentor, start using your head. And Shady, read the fucking thread. Scum: MMToss, Risen, and S+B. I'm not convinced that's the scum team by any stretch, but those are the people in the thread I think are acting scummy. (Side note: I have no idea how many scum there are in this game at all. I'm assuming there is a team?) MMToss is a carry over from yesterday. No part of how the day played out makes me change my opinion on him. S+B, I'll comment on that at the end (new stuff in thread between when I started writing and finished writing). As far as Risen, Node is right. We have to hold him accountable for his part in the Palmar lynch. As town, Risen is aggressive and abrasive. As scum, Risen worships chaos (See TLM LIII). This is looking a lot more like scum Risen. Pressure him today and watch what happens. Null reads: Hiro (leaning town), Marv (leaning town), mkfuba (leaning newbie town), and hopeless1der (leaning scum). I don't have enough to really read any of these players. pre-edit: marv's interactions now with S+B are pushing me to place him more in the town category than the scum category. If S+B flips town, he goes down to scum. Looks like S+B probably fakeclaimed miller. Ballsy play on his part. This pushes Hiro to town read, and confirms what I suspected on S+B. ##vote strongandbig And now, I'm off! Don't do anything stupid while I'm gone. This is the kind of post you make before you die. As of now it does nothing to help the game. It makes you look like your doing something, but really it's more confusing than anything to give your read on everyone in the whole game. None of his reads are really explained at all. This whole post screams scum to me, and I'm pretty surprised im the first person to mention it. As scum, you can pretty much put anyone in whatever category you want, to try and manipulate the views of others. You know the alignments of players, so he can distance himself from his scum team while looking like he's contributing. He also has all his basis covered for future mislynches. Mementoss was the 2nd highest lynch yesterday so he's going to keep mentioning it so while everyone is still curious about it he can push for a second mislynch. He finds SnB scum, so lets kill him, if he flips town, Marv will most certainly be scum and we can mislynch him. Also Risen started the Palmar lynch, so lets lynch him! I'm not saying Marv and Risen are definitely town. What I am saying is ghost is clearly keeping his options open without really giving any helpful information or committing to any options, so if he switches wagons, he can refer to this post and say , well yeah I mentioned it here. I will bold the parts where ghost puts blame onto other people for the lynch yesterday or downplays the intelligence of others, to try and re-enforce what a good and noble townie he is. When yesterday he did nothing to help the lynch or help find scum, yet alone even make a case. Additionally, another thing he does to make himself look like good old useful townie ghost is take credit for things that never happened. Such as the last line of the post, "confirms what I suspected on S+B." when in reality, ghost never mentioned SnB in his whole filter as a scum possibility. He is now doing the same thing yesterday, jumping on the lynch wagon after it starts to gain a bit of steam. I will also re-quote Shady's case on ghost from day 1 as it is still relevant and is a lot of what I felt made ghost seem off in day 1. On September 01 2012 07:34 Shady Sands wrote: Hi guys, I'm back. Given that Node is going to get modkilled: ##Unvote I read Risen's case on me and I like it. It's long, which earns points in my book. That being said, I disagree with its conclusion that I am scum, since I'm not. I'll respond to it in a bit, but first and foremost, I'd like everyone to focus on the scummiest player so far: Ghost_403 Here's how Ghost kicks off his scumhunt: Completely fluffy. First agrees that the case is lackluster, but no tell. Then asks BMB for more reads while he himself posts no reads. Then asks Marv for reads on BMB. Then offers a null tell on Risen. I essence... much ado about nothing. Then defends BMB from Hapa in an effort to look active. But again, no scumreads. Then again a no-content post, just a defense of his own actions. Then Ghost goes huge WIFOM. He even lampshades it. Still no case at this point. We have Hapa, Hopeless, Memento, BMB, and myself all making lots of noise but he somehow seems to think everyone is just a confused townie. Which would make a lot of sense if he had prior knowledge as scum. Whoa! We have a scumread now! Everyone drop socks and grab your throttles, because after half a day of posting Ghost says BMB is scum. Except... This is what Ghost posted in his very own previous post. What? Classic case of scum forgetting what he wrote earlier and just trying to agree with people. Then he tries to split hairs about BMB (I think he's scum but I don't see his posting behavior/casemaking as scum!) then asks people what they think about BMB. Then says he hasn't found a scum candidate yet: But he'd be happy with a MMToss lynch in the very next post. What? Then he votes MMToss as soon as HiroPro makes a big case on MMToss. But there's no independent analysis from ghost as to why he's making this vote as opposed to BMB (who he has marked down as scum in his spreadsheet.) Then he offers a defense of his actions: Every single read he gives is null or townie. Again, no justification for the MMToss vote and then keeps splitting hairs over BMB. He asks other people to look at MMToss (gotta keep that scum wagon rolling, yo) but then doesn't offer any justification for the vote himself. I find Ghost's entire train of reasoning on Mementoss consistent with a scum with prior knowledge of alignments, trying to stay active without posting real content. Therefore: ## Vote Ghost_403 SnB's alignment has nothing to do with whether ghost is scummy or not. Im not sure which is more scummy ghost or SnB. But I think I will be voting for ghost because his entire game speaks scum to me for SnB it's just a questionable claim that we can't know for sure is fake, its based mostly on speculation. ##Unvote:StrongandBig ##Vote: Ghost_403 | ||
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On September 02 2012 02:01 strongandbig wrote: How about this - we kill ghost today because he's scum. Hiro or some other DT checks me tonight. I come back town and we realize I'm telling the truth? how would that work, if your a miller, no DT checks reveal anything about you | ||
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On September 02 2012 02:26 Hopeless1der wrote: No, his 'explanation' is that as long as half the players are alive, he'll return town. I'm going to take half as an integer meaning 8 players dead = half. If you had to pick a second scum read based on what happened so far this game who would it be? | ||
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On September 02 2012 05:19 strongandbig wrote: also if i was scum i would know who the scum are You'd think as town you would bring up a lynch target for today since there is only 7 hours till deadline ? | ||
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On September 02 2012 05:23 Mementoss wrote: You'd think as town you would bring up a lynch target for today since there is only 7 hours till deadline ? Town motivation is to find scum, with only a handful of hours left you haven't said one scum candidate today ? Who do you think is scum | ||
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On September 02 2012 06:01 marvellosity wrote: mementoss, anyone. what do you think of the different types of miller (self-aware, aware)? i'm going out again really soon so prompt responses are appreciated. I have 6 people round me wondering why i'm tippy-tappying on my laptop >.> Im also out for the rest of the night too, please keep the discussion up, if SnB dies and the discussion stays this dead it will be a huge waste of a whole day. Basically I feel like the whole case on SnB is based on the above. Im not the host how would I know anything about the roles? I just find lynching on wifom game setup is a gamble. Even though SnB lieing seems like really scummy, he has a point, "why would he claim he can be checked as town or scum on a check" if he was scum wouldn't he just say he can only be checked as scum? Anyways I'm actually on my way out the door so keep it active. And don't waste the whole day dwelling on the above. Look into the rest of SnB's filter to find out more for yourself if you think he is scum. | ||
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What the fuck. Lol gg gl hf | ||
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On September 07 2012 00:54 marvellosity wrote: talis, that's why i killed Mementoss lol i was coming back that night to start a case on you and I was fucking dead, I had a gut feeling you were kira, first thing I said in QT lol. I was forced into being part of the worst day 1 lynch possible becauase of omfg. It makes finding scum a lot easier when at the end you don't have 60% of players who lurked the whole game. Thanks to hosts for running the game flavour was good and the setup was fun really enjoyed the 24 hour days and lynch setup. | ||
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