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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 04 2012 17:08 GMT
#901
Magic Mini that Hiro and I were in had an 11-4 setup. So it's possible, I'm not really sure how likely though.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 04 2012 17:12 GMT
#902
That's what I meant. You just made me realize something that pretty much completely confirms what I believed.

On September 04 2012 07:45 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2012 15:40 mkfuba07 wrote:
##Vote Risen

At the moment I have no reasons to doubt HiroPro, and fewer reasons to doubt L telling us to listen to him.

The international has me in a dota-y mood, so I'm going to play a bit. I'll be online for about 5 hours before the lynch in case anything new arises.

The bold portion sums up my recent confusion. My faith in Hiro was based on a belief that L had some way to confirm people's alignment (as that makes perfect sense, him being the Head Investigator and all). Risen's L claim was the only thing that would make me doubt Hiro's cop claim in the slightest. The fact that he claimed to have only the mason-like ability made me suspicious, though.

I suspected Hiro to be L since he claimed cop, but it wasn't a sure thing. L's confirmation of it earlier made me believe him. And Hiro's recent claim fits perfectly into what I believed was likely going on. The fact that there is no "L's servant" further confirms it for me, since no one has come forward to claim having killed hapa. If you were L, Risen, how did you know that hapa's death was a town vigi kill if you didn't do it, and you didn't have any additional powers allowing you to know who did?

Finally, Risen's newfound shock that we haven't been suspecting Hiro of lying about his claim this entire time, when he is only just now mentioning it, reeks of scum desperation. Especially because it was supposedly his own words that made us believe Hiro.

On September 04 2012 11:41 HiroPro wrote:
T_T they shot me

Check those timestamps. Almost exactly four hours after I clarified that I was still going to vote for Risen, Hiro claims to have been shot. They were no longer going to be able to push a mislynch on L, so they decided to kill him with the Deathnote. We have firm reason to believe that any kill with the Deathnote takes at least four hours to carry out (from the flip on SnB), and that is exactly the amount of time it took for the shot to happen.
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 04 2012 17:13 GMT
#903
Eh, I don't think there are 4 mafia. For one, Risen's role PM only suggests 3 mafia in total (including the traitor). Second, if there were 3 mafia alive yesterday they could have probably just killed some random townie (winning immediately as it'd be 3-3) instead of waiting almost till the deadline then shooting me.

And with 24 hour days and no nights, it's kind of hard to discuss as town.
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
September 04 2012 17:30 GMT
#904
My previous post was @ Hiro, not in response to marv.

Gotta get to my next class. May or may not be able to post for the next 3-4 hours, but I sure as hell plan to be here for the lynch today.
Never trust a skinny innkeeper
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 04 2012 21:34 GMT
#905
fuck, such an inactive town today. fuba's case is the only fleshed out one and I get a stronger scumvibe from Node than I do from Hopeless. Aggression without followup. The vote on HiroPro isn't really a scumtell in itself, but it shows a lack of proper thought about the game. Even if Hiro was scum, then at the very best he was 1 for 1ing with Risen, which is just ludicrous.

##Vote: Node
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 04 2012 22:21 GMT
#906
I wanna kill hopeless T_T

##Vote Hopeless1der
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
September 04 2012 22:24 GMT
#907
Aww man why you gotta do that L? Can I at least find out why so I can try to defend myself?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 04 2012 22:31 GMT
#908
Nope, doesn't work that way. You explain to me why we should be lynching someone else.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
September 04 2012 22:35 GMT
#909
=\ Yes, Sir.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 04 2012 22:45 GMT
#910
Hiro, don't be tediously lazy. You're practically confirmed town so you should be bringing information to the whole thread (i.e. why you think Hopeless is a better lynch than Node, primarily)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 04 2012 23:07 GMT
#911
I get lazy when I'm confirmed/near the end of games I need the pressure in order to put in effort. You shouldn't be listening to me. I'm only good for forcing people to things at this point.

No real reason to not lynch Node. The fact that he'd been thinking Risen as scum for a long time then suddenly decided to vote for me instead yesterday was weird.

Hopeless is mostly cause I don't like the pushes he made on Shady/ghost. There's no real substantial reasoning behind them (both of them are very ok this person died and was scum/town, therefore this guy is scum). The fact that he wanted to lynch ghost earlier this day but didn't say anything (and only came back when I voted for him) when people had seemed to mostly settle on Node troubles me a lot.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 04 2012 23:08 GMT
#912
EBWOP: You shouldn't be listening to me at this point. I'm only good for forcing people to do things by now.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
September 04 2012 23:20 GMT
#913
that's why I'm pressuring you, because I remembered your laziness comment in PTP obsQT. The end of the game is the most important time as the importance of lynches gets even greater. Your opinion/position holds a lot of weight and so you should use it with responsibility, not abdicate to the rest of town.

You're right about Hopeless' post timings today and his vote on ghost is very weak. And Node I think is heading for a modkill today at this rate.

Could you re-read fuba's case, and my subsequent comments (as well as in the back and forth with ghost) and say why Hopeless is particularly scummier than Node?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
September 04 2012 23:24 GMT
#914
On September 05 2012 08:07 HiroPro wrote:
I get lazy when I'm confirmed/near the end of games I need the pressure in order to put in effort. You shouldn't be listening to me. I'm only good for forcing people to things at this point.

No real reason to not lynch Node. The fact that he'd been thinking Risen as scum for a long time then suddenly decided to vote for me instead yesterday was weird.

Hopeless is mostly cause I don't like the pushes he made on Shady/ghost. There's no real substantial reasoning behind them (both of them are very ok this person died and was scum/town, therefore this guy is scum). The fact that he wanted to lynch ghost earlier this day but didn't say anything (and only came back when I voted for him) when people had seemed to mostly settle on Node troubles me a lot.


Would after-the-fact reasoning be at all useful?

And also...I voted Ghost immediately following the deadline. Are you basing the Node connection on Fuba's case or is there stuff before my vote, because I don't see a strong "kill node" presence until after I (kindof) explain my vote on ghost.

Further to that, if Node is town, why would I not just let us mislynch him? I'd like to think I could just jump on the wagon with little commotion. You(Hiro) pointed out the likelihood of only Kira remaining alive based on Risen's PM. That would put us at 5v1, with Hiro effectively confirmed.
Leaving work shortly. I'll be back within an hour or so.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 04 2012 23:44 GMT
#915
On September 05 2012 08:20 marvellosity wrote:
that's why I'm pressuring you, because I remembered your laziness comment in PTP obsQT. The end of the game is the most important time as the importance of lynches gets even greater. Your opinion/position holds a lot of weight and so you should use it with responsibility, not abdicate to the rest of town.

You're right about Hopeless' post timings today and his vote on ghost is very weak. And Node I think is heading for a modkill today at this rate.

Could you re-read fuba's case, and my subsequent comments (as well as in the back and forth with ghost) and say why Hopeless is particularly scummier than Node?



uh, I don't really agree with ghost's reasons for thinking Node is town (the aggressiveness aspect). Node is an experienced player, he's not going to have any trouble playing aggressive and fearlessly as mafia... Now admittedly I've never seen Node play.

fuba's case on Node: I don't find the traitor discussion stuff alignment-indicative. If there is a good reason to lynch Node though, I think this pretty much sums it up:

Most significantly, there's also the fact that earlier in the game he says that he doesn't see anything scummy about Hiro, then votes for Risen. In the most recent vote, when we're all diving on top of Risen, he suddenly finds Hiro to be more scummy. He doesn't explain this, or at least tries to explain it extremely poorly in his single post from yesterday. Why is he suddenly not believing HiroPro when he states in his reasoning for the MrZentor lynch that he's "...going to have to go with L and Hiro on [that] one."?


Hopeless over Node? Mostly just a gut feeling based on the fact that (except for the last lynch between Risen and me) Node has had solid reasons to back himself up. But like it's really not that strong.
ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
September 05 2012 00:07 GMT
#916
##vote hopeless1der

Fone post
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 05 2012 00:12 GMT
#917
You know, it'd be nice if you explained why you think he's scum...
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
September 05 2012 00:18 GMT
#918
On September 05 2012 09:07 ghost_403 wrote:
##vote hopeless1der

Fone post

dat policy vote on marv.
Oh wait.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
September 05 2012 01:14 GMT
#919
On September 05 2012 08:44 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2012 08:20 marvellosity wrote:
that's why I'm pressuring you, because I remembered your laziness comment in PTP obsQT. The end of the game is the most important time as the importance of lynches gets even greater. Your opinion/position holds a lot of weight and so you should use it with responsibility, not abdicate to the rest of town.

You're right about Hopeless' post timings today and his vote on ghost is very weak. And Node I think is heading for a modkill today at this rate.

Could you re-read fuba's case, and my subsequent comments (as well as in the back and forth with ghost) and say why Hopeless is particularly scummier than Node?



uh, I don't really agree with ghost's reasons for thinking Node is town (the aggressiveness aspect). Node is an experienced player, he's not going to have any trouble playing aggressive and fearlessly as mafia... Now admittedly I've never seen Node play.

fuba's case on Node: I don't find the traitor discussion stuff alignment-indicative. If there is a good reason to lynch Node though, I think this pretty much sums it up:
Show nested quote +

Most significantly, there's also the fact that earlier in the game he says that he doesn't see anything scummy about Hiro, then votes for Risen. In the most recent vote, when we're all diving on top of Risen, he suddenly finds Hiro to be more scummy. He doesn't explain this, or at least tries to explain it extremely poorly in his single post from yesterday. Why is he suddenly not believing HiroPro when he states in his reasoning for the MrZentor lynch that he's "...going to have to go with L and Hiro on [that] one."?


Hopeless over Node? Mostly just a gut feeling based on the fact that (except for the last lynch between Risen and me) Node has had solid reasons to back himself up. But like it's really not that strong.


I hate that I neglect to make my thoughts known if I'm not pressured. It's like what Hiro's doing right now except I've been doing it all game. This is entirely my fault and its probably the driving factor behind why I look scummy, but I've pretty much skated by without having to do much, and I've continuously gotten away with it. We've relied almost exclusively on Hiro being a boss.

When I threw out my vote on Shady, literally NOTHING was said to me about why I did it. It's only now come up as a point of I don't explain myself properly.


Supposedly my vote on ghost is weak, but did all of the cases against ghost suddenly disappear?

Marv:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 03 2012 04:42 marvellosity wrote:
Why ghost is scum:

1) How he pressured Hapa for his vote on BM24. Any of you reading the thread know that I had a back and forth with him about it, and it's basically because it didn't seem his view was from a particularly townie mindset - remember ghost had BMB24 marked down as scum in his s/s, but was pressuring Hapa for voting for him? It doesn't add up.

2) He had a really weak vote on Mementoss. And he doesn't give an actual proper reason for his post until he's made several more posts in between.

Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 08:36 ghost_403 wrote:
Alright, let's see what happened while I was gone.

For reference, MMToss' defense

So far, nothing has convinced me to take my vote off of MMToss. His defense against the people voting him amounted to "the people voting for me are lazy/stupid, oh and here's someone I think is scum". I really can't see a town player posting his defense in such a way.

By the way, Shady's not scum. See Newbie Mini Mafia XXV. He's not acting like that in this game at all.


At this stage, we don't even really know why ghost's vote is on Mementoss in the first place. There's a misplaced conviction. He finally gives reasons for the Mem lynch (which amounted to him rehashing a Mementoss post), probably when it dawns on him he can't just vote for no reason.

3) Mementoss picked up on ghost's long post and I followed up on it. There are things that don't make sense from a townie mindset, like where he voted s&b, but if s&b was town, I somehow got scummier (even though he was voting him too)

4) In that same post, he says this:

"Looks like S+B probably fakeclaimed miller. Ballsy play on his part. This pushes Hiro to town read, and confirms what I suspected on S+B."

Confirms what he suspected? How can it confirm something that was never really brought to the thread? :/ Earlier he said his play had been 'a bit off', and also:

Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 03:49 ghost_403 wrote:
Still not quite sure of what I think of S+B. I haven't seen a scum player make a legit fakeclaim for a long time, so based on the metagame, I'm inclined to believe him when he claimed miller. However, you're right, his posts have been a little bit off. That's why I really want him to chime in on the MMToss situation.


All these points aren't massively strong by themselves, but added altogether I think it shows that ghost is scum.


MMToss and Shady's (Quoted by MMToss)
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 02 2012 01:24 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2012 00:23 ghost_403 wrote:
Hey guys!

What's going on in this thread!

Today is crazy for me, so I'm going to be making one post today, and that's it.



Thoughts on NKs: I'm thinking Hapa was a town KP due to the flavor, and BMB was the scum KP. Knowing this is not particularly enlightening. I don't put any more faith in BMB's reads (or any less in Hapa's) because of this. Obviously, BMB was killed because he was acting very town. Look through his filter and use it as a town biased viewpoint. Don't ignore what dead townies have to say.

I can't believe the town let Palmar be lynched Day 1. Sure, he was useless, but seriously?



Town reads: MrZentor (unfortunately), Shady Sands (double unfortunately) and Node (WTF?????). Check out Node's previous games. In Hammer, he did basically the same thing, where he contributed next to nothing throughout all of Day 1, and he rolled Vig in that game. In this game, he was gone for most of the day, but when he came back he was opinionated and aggressive. Lurking scum would be much more apologetic.

Zentor, start using your head. And Shady, read the fucking thread.



Scum: MMToss, Risen, and S+B. I'm not convinced that's the scum team by any stretch, but those are the people in the thread I think are acting scummy. (Side note: I have no idea how many scum there are in this game at all. I'm assuming there is a team?) MMToss is a carry over from yesterday. No part of how the day played out makes me change my opinion on him. S+B, I'll comment on that at the end (new stuff in thread between when I started writing and finished writing).

As far as Risen, Node is right. We have to hold him accountable for his part in the Palmar lynch. As town, Risen is aggressive and abrasive. As scum, Risen worships chaos (See TLM LIII). This is looking a lot more like scum Risen. Pressure him today and watch what happens.



Null reads: Hiro (leaning town), Marv (leaning town), mkfuba (leaning newbie town), and hopeless1der (leaning scum). I don't have enough to really read any of these players. pre-edit: marv's interactions now with S+B are pushing me to place him more in the town category than the scum category. If S+B flips town, he goes down to scum.



Looks like S+B probably fakeclaimed miller. Ballsy play on his part. This pushes Hiro to town read, and confirms what I suspected on S+B.

##vote strongandbig

And now, I'm off! Don't do anything stupid while I'm gone.


This is the kind of post you make before you die. As of now it does nothing to help the game. It makes you look like your doing something, but really it's more confusing than anything to give your read on everyone in the whole game. None of his reads are really explained at all. This whole post screams scum to me, and I'm pretty surprised im the first person to mention it. As scum, you can pretty much put anyone in whatever category you want, to try and manipulate the views of others. You know the alignments of players, so he can distance himself from his scum team while looking like he's contributing. He also has all his basis covered for future mislynches.

Mementoss was the 2nd highest lynch yesterday so he's going to keep mentioning it so while everyone is still curious about it he can push for a second mislynch. He finds SnB scum, so lets kill him, if he flips town, Marv will most certainly be scum and we can mislynch him. Also Risen started the Palmar lynch, so lets lynch him! I'm not saying Marv and Risen are definitely town. What I am saying is ghost is clearly keeping his options open without really giving any helpful information or committing to any options, so if he switches wagons, he can refer to this post and say , well yeah I mentioned it here.

I will bold the parts where ghost puts blame onto other people for the lynch yesterday or downplays the intelligence of others, to try and re-enforce what a good and noble townie he is. When yesterday he did nothing to help the lynch or help find scum, yet alone even make a case.

Additionally, another thing he does to make himself look like good old useful townie ghost is take credit for things that never happened. Such as the last line of the post, "confirms what I suspected on S+B." when in reality, ghost never mentioned SnB in his whole filter as a scum possibility. He is now doing the same thing yesterday, jumping on the lynch wagon after it starts to gain a bit of steam.

I will also re-quote Shady's case on ghost from day 1 as it is still relevant and is a lot of what I felt made ghost seem off in day 1.
Shady's Case Starts here
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 07:34 Shady Sands wrote:
Hi guys, I'm back. Given that Node is going to get modkilled:
##Unvote

I read Risen's case on me and I like it. It's long, which earns points in my book. That being said, I disagree with its conclusion that I am scum, since I'm not. I'll respond to it in a bit, but first and foremost, I'd like everyone to focus on the scummiest player so far:

Ghost_403

Here's how Ghost kicks off his scumhunt:

On August 31 2012 22:35 ghost_403 wrote:
I agree with Hapa: BMB's case was lackluster at best. Hapa came into the thread, posted "I'm town, flavor sucks", and that's it. I really don't see that as some sort of scum tell on his part.

BMB: I'm curious. Has anyone else in the thread stuck out to you as playing scummy?

Marv: What do you think about BMB's case against Hapa?

Risen's play this game is a little off from the Risen we all know and love. Not sure exactly why as of yet. Could be it's just been a while since he's played.


Completely fluffy. First agrees that the case is lackluster, but no tell. Then asks BMB for more reads while he himself posts no reads. Then asks Marv for reads on BMB. Then offers a null tell on Risen. I essence... much ado about nothing.

Then defends BMB from Hapa in an effort to look active. But again, no scumreads.

On August 31 2012 22:51 ghost_403 wrote:
Calm down, Hapa. Just because BMB wrote up a subpar case on Day 1 does not mean that he's scum. BMB (aka DoctorHelvetica) is very good at this game. I doubt that anyone can know his alignment quite yet, nevermind based on a single case he's presented on Day 1.

@BMB: You are DrH, right?


Then again a no-content post, just a defense of his own actions.

On August 31 2012 23:22 ghost_403 wrote:
On August 31 2012 22:53 marvellosity wrote:
On August 31 2012 22:51 ghost_403 wrote:
Calm down, Hapa. Just because BMB wrote up a subpar case on Day 1 does not mean that he's scum. BMB (aka DoctorHelvetica) is very good at this game. I doubt that anyone can know his alignment quite yet, nevermind based on a single case he's presented on Day 1.

@BMB: You are DrH, right?


Why are you attacking Hapa for pressuring a pile of shit case?


I'm not attacking, I'm telling him to take a step back and evaluate whether he thinks that BMB's case was due to (a) him being scum or (b) him writing up a case 5 hours into the game. The two of those are very different, and I don't see evidence in his analysis of him thinking that question through.


Then Ghost goes huge WIFOM. He even lampshades it.

On August 31 2012 23:29 ghost_403 wrote:
On August 31 2012 23:26 marvellosity wrote:
On August 31 2012 23:22 ghost_403 wrote:
On August 31 2012 22:53 marvellosity wrote:
On August 31 2012 22:51 ghost_403 wrote:
Calm down, Hapa. Just because BMB wrote up a subpar case on Day 1 does not mean that he's scum. BMB (aka DoctorHelvetica) is very good at this game. I doubt that anyone can know his alignment quite yet, nevermind based on a single case he's presented on Day 1.

@BMB: You are DrH, right?


Why are you attacking Hapa for pressuring a pile of shit case?


I'm not attacking, I'm telling him to take a step back and evaluate whether he thinks that BMB's case was due to (a) him being scum or (b) him writing up a case 5 hours into the game. The two of those are very different, and I don't see evidence in his analysis of him thinking that question through.


I'm curious, because by your own reasoning

1) DrH made a bad case
2) DrH is a very good player

does it not make more sense that a bad case from someone you think is good is scummier than a bad case from a nublet?


WIFOM mode engage!

Don't you think that someone as good as BMB would, as scum, be more careful to not make a bad case?

I see this as BMB just being aggressive and trying to get the ball moving. I can't imagine him being quite so bold and careless as scum.

Do you think that his case is really a scum-tell?


Still no case at this point. We have Hapa, Hopeless, Memento, BMB, and myself all making lots of noise but he somehow seems to think everyone is just a confused townie. Which would make a lot of sense if he had prior knowledge as scum.

On August 31 2012 23:38 ghost_403 wrote:
On August 31 2012 23:34 marvellosity wrote:
On August 31 2012 23:29 ghost_403 wrote:
On August 31 2012 23:26 marvellosity wrote:
On August 31 2012 23:22 ghost_403 wrote:
On August 31 2012 22:53 marvellosity wrote:
On August 31 2012 22:51 ghost_403 wrote:
Calm down, Hapa. Just because BMB wrote up a subpar case on Day 1 does not mean that he's scum. BMB (aka DoctorHelvetica) is very good at this game. I doubt that anyone can know his alignment quite yet, nevermind based on a single case he's presented on Day 1.

@BMB: You are DrH, right?


Why are you attacking Hapa for pressuring a pile of shit case?


I'm not attacking, I'm telling him to take a step back and evaluate whether he thinks that BMB's case was due to (a) him being scum or (b) him writing up a case 5 hours into the game. The two of those are very different, and I don't see evidence in his analysis of him thinking that question through.


I'm curious, because by your own reasoning

1) DrH made a bad case
2) DrH is a very good player

does it not make more sense that a bad case from someone you think is good is scummier than a bad case from a nublet?


WIFOM mode engage!

Don't you think that someone as good as BMB would, as scum, be more careful to not make a bad case?

I see this as BMB just being aggressive and trying to get the ball moving. I can't imagine him being quite so bold and careless as scum.

Do you think that his case is really a scum-tell?


yeah, ok, let's not go down the WIFOM road. Suffice to say, when someone does something bad, "he should know not to do something bad" has always struck me as an inadequate way of explaining it away.

Black's case is certainly scummier than what he was making the case on (hapa's play). Conversely, do you see that case as a town-tell?


My spreadsheet has BMB marked down as scum due to that case, but I'm not convinced on it enough to vote him yet. BMB is a good player, and lynching him based on a bad case he made this early on Day 1 is terrible play. I'm certainly going to be watching him closely.

What I would really like from him is for him to come back and tell us his thoughts on everyone's reactions to his case. That would tell me a lot more about his alignment than what he's already said in thread.


Whoa! We have a scumread now! Everyone drop socks and grab your throttles, because after half a day of posting Ghost says BMB is scum. Except...
Don't you think that someone as good as BMB would, as scum, be more careful to not make a bad case?

I see this as BMB just being aggressive and trying to get the ball moving. I can't imagine him being quite so bold and careless as scum.

Do you think that his case is really a scum-tell?

This is what Ghost posted in his very own previous post. What? Classic case of scum forgetting what he wrote earlier and just trying to agree with people.
Then he tries to split hairs about BMB (I think he's scum but I don't see his posting behavior/casemaking as scum!) then asks people what they think about BMB.
On September 01 2012 00:48 ghost_403 wrote:
Gut reaction. What are your thoughts on BMB's alignment?

Then says he hasn't found a scum candidate yet:
On September 01 2012 03:15 ghost_403 wrote:
Well, since I'd rather lynch scum today, I haven't quite made up my mind. Plenty of town reads, but haven't found a good scum candidate quite yet. I'll let you know when I find one.

But he'd be happy with a MMToss lynch in the very next post. What?
On September 01 2012 03:20 ghost_403 wrote:
Actually, I'd be pretty happy with a MMToss lynch. Still waiting for S+B to chime in.

Playing mafia while TI2 is on is really hard.

Then he votes MMToss as soon as HiroPro makes a big case on MMToss. But there's no independent analysis from ghost as to why he's making this vote as opposed to BMB (who he has marked down as scum in his spreadsheet.)

Then he offers a defense of his actions:
On September 01 2012 03:49 ghost_403 wrote:
Palmar being AFK is probably due to the TI2, I'm withholding judgement on him until he comes back. Can't change my mind on Risen until he comes back and starts acting more or less Risen. Marv's disappearance is disconcerting, but probably not alignment indicative.

I never said BMB was not mafia, I just said that I'm not ready to lynch him over a single bad case he had presented. I'm still waiting for him to come back into the thread and respond to what's happened. His response is going to determine my view of his alignment.

Still not quite sure of what I think of S+B. I haven't seen a scum player make a legit fakeclaim for a long time, so based on the metagame, I'm inclined to believe him when he claimed miller. However, you're right, his posts have been a little bit off. That's why I really want him to chime in on the MMToss situation.

Every single read he gives is null or townie. Again, no justification for the MMToss vote and then keeps splitting hairs over BMB. He asks other people to look at MMToss (gotta keep that scum wagon rolling, yo) but then doesn't offer any justification for the vote himself.

I find Ghost's entire train of reasoning on Mementoss consistent with a scum with prior knowledge of alignments, trying to stay active without posting real content.

Therefore: ## Vote Ghost_403


SnB's alignment has nothing to do with whether ghost is scummy or not. Im not sure which is more scummy ghost or SnB.

But I think I will be voting for ghost because his entire game speaks scum to me for SnB it's just a questionable claim that we can't know for sure is fake, its based mostly on speculation.

##Unvote:StrongandBig
##Vote: Ghost_403



Ghost STILL hasn't made a legit scum-read or pushed with any thread-presence to get anything done. Read the last page of his filter and show me how he's helping us catch scum. I don't see it.
- List post
- Town Read, questions about me
- Errant Speculation
- More questions about me, but no thoughts towards my alignment
- No-content post about looking up my history. I play "differently". Oh Noes.
- Voted me

If/When I flip town, hold him accountable please. No more excuses for inactivity. He's had too many of them already.

##Unvote: Ghost_403
##Vote: Ghost_403






If you still think I'm scum, what would you like me to address to try and change your mind? (This goes for anyone, don't let me die without at least trying to give town info)
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
September 05 2012 01:45 GMT
#920
eh fuck this. Node is getting modkilled from the way things are looking. you guys can talk about this tomorrow, when hopefully there'll be some better discussion. I don't want the game to end today. and honestly i'm not very sure at all about hopeless being scum at this point.

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