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marvellosity
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mkfuba07
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On September 04 2012 07:45 mkfuba07 wrote: The bold portion sums up my recent confusion. My faith in Hiro was based on a belief that L had some way to confirm people's alignment (as that makes perfect sense, him being the Head Investigator and all). Risen's L claim was the only thing that would make me doubt Hiro's cop claim in the slightest. The fact that he claimed to have only the mason-like ability made me suspicious, though. I suspected Hiro to be L since he claimed cop, but it wasn't a sure thing. L's confirmation of it earlier made me believe him. And Hiro's recent claim fits perfectly into what I believed was likely going on. The fact that there is no "L's servant" further confirms it for me, since no one has come forward to claim having killed hapa. If you were L, Risen, how did you know that hapa's death was a town vigi kill if you didn't do it, and you didn't have any additional powers allowing you to know who did? Finally, Risen's newfound shock that we haven't been suspecting Hiro of lying about his claim this entire time, when he is only just now mentioning it, reeks of scum desperation. Especially because it was supposedly his own words that made us believe Hiro. On September 04 2012 11:41 HiroPro wrote: T_T they shot me Check those timestamps. Almost exactly four hours after I clarified that I was still going to vote for Risen, Hiro claims to have been shot. They were no longer going to be able to push a mislynch on L, so they decided to kill him with the Deathnote. We have firm reason to believe that any kill with the Deathnote takes at least four hours to carry out (from the flip on SnB), and that is exactly the amount of time it took for the shot to happen. | ||
HiroPro
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And with 24 hour days and no nights, it's kind of hard to discuss as town. | ||
mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
Gotta get to my next class. May or may not be able to post for the next 3-4 hours, but I sure as hell plan to be here for the lynch today. | ||
marvellosity
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HiroPro
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Hopeless1der
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HiroPro
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Hopeless1der
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marvellosity
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
No real reason to not lynch Node. The fact that he'd been thinking Risen as scum for a long time then suddenly decided to vote for me instead yesterday was weird. Hopeless is mostly cause I don't like the pushes he made on Shady/ghost. There's no real substantial reasoning behind them (both of them are very ok this person died and was scum/town, therefore this guy is scum). The fact that he wanted to lynch ghost earlier this day but didn't say anything (and only came back when I voted for him) when people had seemed to mostly settle on Node troubles me a lot. | ||
HiroPro
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marvellosity
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You're right about Hopeless' post timings today and his vote on ghost is very weak. And Node I think is heading for a modkill today at this rate. Could you re-read fuba's case, and my subsequent comments (as well as in the back and forth with ghost) and say why Hopeless is particularly scummier than Node? | ||
Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On September 05 2012 08:07 HiroPro wrote: I get lazy when I'm confirmed/near the end of games I need the pressure in order to put in effort. You shouldn't be listening to me. I'm only good for forcing people to things at this point. No real reason to not lynch Node. The fact that he'd been thinking Risen as scum for a long time then suddenly decided to vote for me instead yesterday was weird. Hopeless is mostly cause I don't like the pushes he made on Shady/ghost. There's no real substantial reasoning behind them (both of them are very ok this person died and was scum/town, therefore this guy is scum). The fact that he wanted to lynch ghost earlier this day but didn't say anything (and only came back when I voted for him) when people had seemed to mostly settle on Node troubles me a lot. Would after-the-fact reasoning be at all useful? And also...I voted Ghost immediately following the deadline. Are you basing the Node connection on Fuba's case or is there stuff before my vote, because I don't see a strong "kill node" presence until after I (kindof) explain my vote on ghost. Further to that, if Node is town, why would I not just let us mislynch him? I'd like to think I could just jump on the wagon with little commotion. You(Hiro) pointed out the likelihood of only Kira remaining alive based on Risen's PM. That would put us at 5v1, with Hiro effectively confirmed. Leaving work shortly. I'll be back within an hour or so. | ||
HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On September 05 2012 08:20 marvellosity wrote: that's why I'm pressuring you, because I remembered your laziness comment in PTP obsQT. The end of the game is the most important time as the importance of lynches gets even greater. Your opinion/position holds a lot of weight and so you should use it with responsibility, not abdicate to the rest of town. You're right about Hopeless' post timings today and his vote on ghost is very weak. And Node I think is heading for a modkill today at this rate. Could you re-read fuba's case, and my subsequent comments (as well as in the back and forth with ghost) and say why Hopeless is particularly scummier than Node? uh, I don't really agree with ghost's reasons for thinking Node is town (the aggressiveness aspect). Node is an experienced player, he's not going to have any trouble playing aggressive and fearlessly as mafia... Now admittedly I've never seen Node play. fuba's case on Node: I don't find the traitor discussion stuff alignment-indicative. If there is a good reason to lynch Node though, I think this pretty much sums it up: Most significantly, there's also the fact that earlier in the game he says that he doesn't see anything scummy about Hiro, then votes for Risen. In the most recent vote, when we're all diving on top of Risen, he suddenly finds Hiro to be more scummy. He doesn't explain this, or at least tries to explain it extremely poorly in his single post from yesterday. Why is he suddenly not believing HiroPro when he states in his reasoning for the MrZentor lynch that he's "...going to have to go with L and Hiro on [that] one."? Hopeless over Node? Mostly just a gut feeling based on the fact that (except for the last lynch between Risen and me) Node has had solid reasons to back himself up. But like it's really not that strong. | ||
ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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HiroPro
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On September 05 2012 09:07 ghost_403 wrote: ##vote hopeless1der Fone post dat policy vote on marv. Oh wait. | ||
Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On September 05 2012 08:44 HiroPro wrote: uh, I don't really agree with ghost's reasons for thinking Node is town (the aggressiveness aspect). Node is an experienced player, he's not going to have any trouble playing aggressive and fearlessly as mafia... Now admittedly I've never seen Node play. fuba's case on Node: I don't find the traitor discussion stuff alignment-indicative. If there is a good reason to lynch Node though, I think this pretty much sums it up: Hopeless over Node? Mostly just a gut feeling based on the fact that (except for the last lynch between Risen and me) Node has had solid reasons to back himself up. But like it's really not that strong. I hate that I neglect to make my thoughts known if I'm not pressured. It's like what Hiro's doing right now except I've been doing it all game. This is entirely my fault and its probably the driving factor behind why I look scummy, but I've pretty much skated by without having to do much, and I've continuously gotten away with it. We've relied almost exclusively on Hiro being a boss. When I threw out my vote on Shady, literally NOTHING was said to me about why I did it. It's only now come up as a point of I don't explain myself properly. Supposedly my vote on ghost is weak, but did all of the cases against ghost suddenly disappear? Marv: + Show Spoiler + On September 03 2012 04:42 marvellosity wrote: Why ghost is scum: 1) How he pressured Hapa for his vote on BM24. Any of you reading the thread know that I had a back and forth with him about it, and it's basically because it didn't seem his view was from a particularly townie mindset - remember ghost had BMB24 marked down as scum in his s/s, but was pressuring Hapa for voting for him? It doesn't add up. 2) He had a really weak vote on Mementoss. And he doesn't give an actual proper reason for his post until he's made several more posts in between. At this stage, we don't even really know why ghost's vote is on Mementoss in the first place. There's a misplaced conviction. He finally gives reasons for the Mem lynch (which amounted to him rehashing a Mementoss post), probably when it dawns on him he can't just vote for no reason. 3) Mementoss picked up on ghost's long post and I followed up on it. There are things that don't make sense from a townie mindset, like where he voted s&b, but if s&b was town, I somehow got scummier (even though he was voting him too) 4) In that same post, he says this: "Looks like S+B probably fakeclaimed miller. Ballsy play on his part. This pushes Hiro to town read, and confirms what I suspected on S+B." Confirms what he suspected? How can it confirm something that was never really brought to the thread? :/ Earlier he said his play had been 'a bit off', and also: All these points aren't massively strong by themselves, but added altogether I think it shows that ghost is scum. MMToss and Shady's (Quoted by MMToss) + Show Spoiler + On September 02 2012 01:24 Mementoss wrote: This is the kind of post you make before you die. As of now it does nothing to help the game. It makes you look like your doing something, but really it's more confusing than anything to give your read on everyone in the whole game. None of his reads are really explained at all. This whole post screams scum to me, and I'm pretty surprised im the first person to mention it. As scum, you can pretty much put anyone in whatever category you want, to try and manipulate the views of others. You know the alignments of players, so he can distance himself from his scum team while looking like he's contributing. He also has all his basis covered for future mislynches. Mementoss was the 2nd highest lynch yesterday so he's going to keep mentioning it so while everyone is still curious about it he can push for a second mislynch. He finds SnB scum, so lets kill him, if he flips town, Marv will most certainly be scum and we can mislynch him. Also Risen started the Palmar lynch, so lets lynch him! I'm not saying Marv and Risen are definitely town. What I am saying is ghost is clearly keeping his options open without really giving any helpful information or committing to any options, so if he switches wagons, he can refer to this post and say , well yeah I mentioned it here. I will bold the parts where ghost puts blame onto other people for the lynch yesterday or downplays the intelligence of others, to try and re-enforce what a good and noble townie he is. When yesterday he did nothing to help the lynch or help find scum, yet alone even make a case. Additionally, another thing he does to make himself look like good old useful townie ghost is take credit for things that never happened. Such as the last line of the post, "confirms what I suspected on S+B." when in reality, ghost never mentioned SnB in his whole filter as a scum possibility. He is now doing the same thing yesterday, jumping on the lynch wagon after it starts to gain a bit of steam. I will also re-quote Shady's case on ghost from day 1 as it is still relevant and is a lot of what I felt made ghost seem off in day 1. Shady's Case Starts here SnB's alignment has nothing to do with whether ghost is scummy or not. Im not sure which is more scummy ghost or SnB. But I think I will be voting for ghost because his entire game speaks scum to me for SnB it's just a questionable claim that we can't know for sure is fake, its based mostly on speculation. ##Unvote:StrongandBig ##Vote: Ghost_403 Ghost STILL hasn't made a legit scum-read or pushed with any thread-presence to get anything done. Read the last page of his filter and show me how he's helping us catch scum. I don't see it. - List post - Town Read, questions about me - Errant Speculation - More questions about me, but no thoughts towards my alignment - No-content post about looking up my history. I play "differently". Oh Noes. - Voted me If/When I flip town, hold him accountable please. No more excuses for inactivity. He's had too many of them already. ##Unvote: Ghost_403 ##Vote: Ghost_403 If you still think I'm scum, what would you like me to address to try and change your mind? (This goes for anyone, don't let me die without at least trying to give town info) | ||
HiroPro
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