EPTOn September 01 2012 08:03 Palmar wrote:
hey I'll be voting whatever ghost_403 is voting because I think he's town.
hey I'll be voting whatever ghost_403 is voting because I think he's town.
why do you think he is town?
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On September 01 2012 08:05 strongandbig wrote: Or maybe it's not a fake claim and I'm actually a miller? And I want to deal with that and get it out of the way in a game full of detectives? Occam's razor, man. One terrible case is excusable, but two is too much to be a coincidence. I mean seriously, what you're saying is that I tried too hard to help town out when I told everyone that I'm a miller, and therefore I must be scum? In what world does that make sense? I can see a reason for claiming miller as town and mafia. Obviously as town you don't want to cause confusion later in the game. As mafia you would do if because if you get checked later you can use it as an excuse. It seems more likely as town. You would need some pretty big balls to out yourself like that day 1 as mafia. Regardless I kinda think we should ignore the claim and base his alignment based on his other posting and his motivations/play. Also about the case shady makes on ghost, it makes me feel a little un-easy about my vote on him because I had essentially the same notes about ghost down, but I've had a lot of trouble reading ghost in previous games. | ||
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Lol I forgot that game, he clearly has me red on his map from day 1. The difference between this game and that game is huge though. That game, he probably wanted to act useless so he didn't get killed night 1 by scum, and than come into the thread with some good reads when more information is available. There is no excuse this game though because its controlled completely by lynches with no night phase. So it's really confusing to me why he would join the game and play useless. | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:30 Shady Sands wrote: MMT: you posted a little bit about how bad the cases on you were. I used what you posted and expanded it on Ghost. Can you please read that case? I did read the case and posted my thoughts on it. It is pretty much the same as I have for my notes on ghost. The problem is I think this about ghost every game. It makes me uneasy that my vote is on you when you are having the same thought process as me, the problem is you coulda easily been in scum QT and someone told you to make a solid unique case. Who would your number 2 scum read be? Also, I can't post much now, having a few drinks with friends. But if it comes down to it I will be switching my vote to save myself to the 2nd most votes, because from my perspective im 100% confirmed town, so lynching anyone other than myself has a way better chance of catchng a scum. | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:36 ghost_403 wrote: Alright, let's see what happened while I was gone. For reference, MMToss' defense So far, nothing has convinced me to take my vote off of MMToss. His defense against the people voting him amounted to "the people voting for me are lazy/stupid, oh and here's someone I think is scum". I really can't see a town player posting his defense in such a way. By the way, Shady's not scum. See Newbie Mini Mafia XXV. He's not acting like that in this game at all. you actually never mentioned why you thought I was scum | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:50 Hapahauli wrote: Hmm... where's our friend SolarSail? and hopeless hasnt been around in ages either | ||
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On September 01 2012 08:53 Hapahauli wrote: ##Vote SolarSail For being useless. I think hes going to be modkilled :S Like a lot of people. | ||
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On September 01 2012 09:05 BlackMamba24 wrote: I think you should reconsider voting for Palmar. I've played with him quite a few times and being super arrogant and even lurking 100% aren't abnormal for him as town on Day 1. He is extremely valuable down the line if he is town and not too hard to deal with if he isn't. In Arkham he even lied about being the leader of the scum team just to fuck with people and iirc he was town (or maybe third party) in that. Hapahauli, reread MMtoss's defense. Is it really convincing? He doesn't defend himself so much as he attacks Shady Sands (while not voting for him or accusing him, odd.) who in my mind is one of the most obviously town players here. He just says what he's doing isn't scummy but I really don't agree. The way he throws his "reads" (i.e. always useless scummy fluff shit) into a case which is a bad case to begin with is completely off-base. This could be a case of bad town, it's Day 1 we statistically are almost sure to lynch a townie today, but at least it's something. Palmar gives us nothing. The flip is useless. This is a policy "I don't like Palmar" vote. The only "case" against him is a lazy meta read. Even if Mementoss flips town we have another thing to consider when going back through Day 1 and reading peoples posts. Palmar is a bad vote. The worst vote. Guess ya dropped the SnB thing completely eh? | ||
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##Unvote: ShadySands ##Vote: Palmar I know I'm town, and me not dieing gives a hell of a lot better chances of actually killing scum, rather than killing someone actually generating discussion towards finding scum. @hapa, Apparently Hiro usually posts one-liners all the time, but your first 2 bullets are good. If I die, kill ghost or blackmamba. | ||
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Im a bit lost, about this suspicious detective thing. Why don't you believe him can you give some clarification? | ||
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On September 02 2012 00:18 HiroPro wrote: Because for one, it's really unlikely to have certain millers be unaware, certain self-aware. Second, look at what s&b wrote. When he first claimed self-aware miller, he said that he didn't know what circumstances would cause him to return as suspicious or normal (he talked about how certain people's checks may be reliable, certain may not). However, now he's claiming that his role PM told him that he'll return suspicious when there are less than half the players remaining in this game. What SnB is saying sounds extremely made up and on the spot. Also if he knew he was a miller, wouldn't he have claimed it in the games theme, as suspicious detective? Im sure they wouldn't have said, you are miller, they would have said Suspicious Detective. ##Vote: StrongandBig | ||
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On September 02 2012 00:23 ghost_403 wrote: Hey guys! What's going on in this thread! Today is crazy for me, so I'm going to be making one post today, and that's it. Thoughts on NKs: I'm thinking Hapa was a town KP due to the flavor, and BMB was the scum KP. Knowing this is not particularly enlightening. I don't put any more faith in BMB's reads (or any less in Hapa's) because of this. Obviously, BMB was killed because he was acting very town. Look through his filter and use it as a town biased viewpoint. Don't ignore what dead townies have to say. I can't believe the town let Palmar be lynched Day 1. Sure, he was useless, but seriously? Town reads: MrZentor (unfortunately), Shady Sands (double unfortunately) and Node (WTF?????). Check out Node's previous games. In Hammer, he did basically the same thing, where he contributed next to nothing throughout all of Day 1, and he rolled Vig in that game. In this game, he was gone for most of the day, but when he came back he was opinionated and aggressive. Lurking scum would be much more apologetic. Zentor, start using your head. And Shady, read the fucking thread. Scum: MMToss, Risen, and S+B. I'm not convinced that's the scum team by any stretch, but those are the people in the thread I think are acting scummy. (Side note: I have no idea how many scum there are in this game at all. I'm assuming there is a team?) MMToss is a carry over from yesterday. No part of how the day played out makes me change my opinion on him. S+B, I'll comment on that at the end (new stuff in thread between when I started writing and finished writing). As far as Risen, Node is right. We have to hold him accountable for his part in the Palmar lynch. As town, Risen is aggressive and abrasive. As scum, Risen worships chaos (See TLM LIII). This is looking a lot more like scum Risen. Pressure him today and watch what happens. Null reads: Hiro (leaning town), Marv (leaning town), mkfuba (leaning newbie town), and hopeless1der (leaning scum). I don't have enough to really read any of these players. pre-edit: marv's interactions now with S+B are pushing me to place him more in the town category than the scum category. If S+B flips town, he goes down to scum. Looks like S+B probably fakeclaimed miller. Ballsy play on his part. This pushes Hiro to town read, and confirms what I suspected on S+B. ##vote strongandbig And now, I'm off! Don't do anything stupid while I'm gone. This is the kind of post you make before you die. As of now it does nothing to help the game. It makes you look like your doing something, but really it's more confusing than anything to give your read on everyone in the whole game. None of his reads are really explained at all. This whole post screams scum to me, and I'm pretty surprised im the first person to mention it. As scum, you can pretty much put anyone in whatever category you want, to try and manipulate the views of others. You know the alignments of players, so he can distance himself from his scum team while looking like he's contributing. He also has all his basis covered for future mislynches. Mementoss was the 2nd highest lynch yesterday so he's going to keep mentioning it so while everyone is still curious about it he can push for a second mislynch. He finds SnB scum, so lets kill him, if he flips town, Marv will most certainly be scum and we can mislynch him. Also Risen started the Palmar lynch, so lets lynch him! I'm not saying Marv and Risen are definitely town. What I am saying is ghost is clearly keeping his options open without really giving any helpful information or committing to any options, so if he switches wagons, he can refer to this post and say , well yeah I mentioned it here. I will bold the parts where ghost puts blame onto other people for the lynch yesterday or downplays the intelligence of others, to try and re-enforce what a good and noble townie he is. When yesterday he did nothing to help the lynch or help find scum, yet alone even make a case. Additionally, another thing he does to make himself look like good old useful townie ghost is take credit for things that never happened. Such as the last line of the post, "confirms what I suspected on S+B." when in reality, ghost never mentioned SnB in his whole filter as a scum possibility. He is now doing the same thing yesterday, jumping on the lynch wagon after it starts to gain a bit of steam. I will also re-quote Shady's case on ghost from day 1 as it is still relevant and is a lot of what I felt made ghost seem off in day 1. On September 01 2012 07:34 Shady Sands wrote: Hi guys, I'm back. Given that Node is going to get modkilled: ##Unvote I read Risen's case on me and I like it. It's long, which earns points in my book. That being said, I disagree with its conclusion that I am scum, since I'm not. I'll respond to it in a bit, but first and foremost, I'd like everyone to focus on the scummiest player so far: Ghost_403 Here's how Ghost kicks off his scumhunt: Completely fluffy. First agrees that the case is lackluster, but no tell. Then asks BMB for more reads while he himself posts no reads. Then asks Marv for reads on BMB. Then offers a null tell on Risen. I essence... much ado about nothing. Then defends BMB from Hapa in an effort to look active. But again, no scumreads. Then again a no-content post, just a defense of his own actions. Then Ghost goes huge WIFOM. He even lampshades it. Still no case at this point. We have Hapa, Hopeless, Memento, BMB, and myself all making lots of noise but he somehow seems to think everyone is just a confused townie. Which would make a lot of sense if he had prior knowledge as scum. Whoa! We have a scumread now! Everyone drop socks and grab your throttles, because after half a day of posting Ghost says BMB is scum. Except... This is what Ghost posted in his very own previous post. What? Classic case of scum forgetting what he wrote earlier and just trying to agree with people. Then he tries to split hairs about BMB (I think he's scum but I don't see his posting behavior/casemaking as scum!) then asks people what they think about BMB. Then says he hasn't found a scum candidate yet: But he'd be happy with a MMToss lynch in the very next post. What? Then he votes MMToss as soon as HiroPro makes a big case on MMToss. But there's no independent analysis from ghost as to why he's making this vote as opposed to BMB (who he has marked down as scum in his spreadsheet.) Then he offers a defense of his actions: Every single read he gives is null or townie. Again, no justification for the MMToss vote and then keeps splitting hairs over BMB. He asks other people to look at MMToss (gotta keep that scum wagon rolling, yo) but then doesn't offer any justification for the vote himself. I find Ghost's entire train of reasoning on Mementoss consistent with a scum with prior knowledge of alignments, trying to stay active without posting real content. Therefore: ## Vote Ghost_403 SnB's alignment has nothing to do with whether ghost is scummy or not. Im not sure which is more scummy ghost or SnB. But I think I will be voting for ghost because his entire game speaks scum to me for SnB it's just a questionable claim that we can't know for sure is fake, its based mostly on speculation. ##Unvote:StrongandBig ##Vote: Ghost_403 | ||
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On September 02 2012 02:01 strongandbig wrote: How about this - we kill ghost today because he's scum. Hiro or some other DT checks me tonight. I come back town and we realize I'm telling the truth? how would that work, if your a miller, no DT checks reveal anything about you | ||
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On September 02 2012 02:26 Hopeless1der wrote: No, his 'explanation' is that as long as half the players are alive, he'll return town. I'm going to take half as an integer meaning 8 players dead = half. If you had to pick a second scum read based on what happened so far this game who would it be? | ||
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On September 02 2012 05:19 strongandbig wrote: also if i was scum i would know who the scum are You'd think as town you would bring up a lynch target for today since there is only 7 hours till deadline ? | ||
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On September 02 2012 05:23 Mementoss wrote: You'd think as town you would bring up a lynch target for today since there is only 7 hours till deadline ? Town motivation is to find scum, with only a handful of hours left you haven't said one scum candidate today ? Who do you think is scum | ||
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On September 02 2012 06:01 marvellosity wrote: mementoss, anyone. what do you think of the different types of miller (self-aware, aware)? i'm going out again really soon so prompt responses are appreciated. I have 6 people round me wondering why i'm tippy-tappying on my laptop >.> Im also out for the rest of the night too, please keep the discussion up, if SnB dies and the discussion stays this dead it will be a huge waste of a whole day. Basically I feel like the whole case on SnB is based on the above. Im not the host how would I know anything about the roles? I just find lynching on wifom game setup is a gamble. Even though SnB lieing seems like really scummy, he has a point, "why would he claim he can be checked as town or scum on a check" if he was scum wouldn't he just say he can only be checked as scum? Anyways I'm actually on my way out the door so keep it active. And don't waste the whole day dwelling on the above. Look into the rest of SnB's filter to find out more for yourself if you think he is scum. | ||
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