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On September 16 2012 03:19 Shady Sands wrote:
Actually, N1, if GK suicided into Ottox, then couldn't it also be the case that:
BC was killed by GK submitting mafia KP
BM24 was killed by mafia KP
GK suicided into Ottox
Austinmc shot someone with medic protection or with bulletproof, or he himself was roleblocked?
Yeah I just realized that.
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The other situation is that Ottoxlol was shot by austinmc and GK suicided into an assassian
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Anyhow, in sum: Toad's claim is basically null because there are so many ways in which it could be true, and many other situations in which it could be false.
What's important is the case on him revolving around his soft defense of SnB, as well as how he went pretty much awol/apathetic over the final few hours of the heated D4 lynch.
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ebwop meant to say over the final day of the heated D4 lynch. Toad was ambivalent to who got lynched that day, which makes sense if you think of him as scum and all of the prospective candidates at the time (me, Grav, MMT) as town.
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On September 16 2012 04:54 Shady Sands wrote:
Anyhow, in sum: Toad's claim is basically null because there are so many ways in which it could be true, and many other situations in which it could be false.
What's important is the case on him revolving around his soft defense of SnB, as well as how he went pretty much awol/apathetic over the final few hours of the heated D4 lynch.
If his case is based on the soft defense of SnB than what does YOUR hard defense of SnB mean?
You still didnt answer WHY you had a strong town read on him???
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On September 14 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote:
Guhh ... why do you guys wait until now to play properly?
What Maverick did just now was a very very town thing. Feigning activity and making cases is easy. Calling the runner up lynch candidate town when you have the most votes is not. The only motivation to do that is that you are town, and you think this person is town. You can see that he doesn't value his specific survival over the town's interests. His case really shows his thinking process and also clarifies past contradictions (e.g. he left out Graven from his scum reads) - consistency like this is hard to setup as scum.
Gravan ... it's really weird with him. As Maverick points out he is playing consistently (regardless of quality). I remember thinking he was newbie town making lots of mistakes, and it could be he is scummy because of this. Also strange is the nature of the maverick counter wagon. Still thinking this one through.
ShiaoPi: his treatment of Mav is townish. Timezones are timezones. Select stuff in his filter make me think he is town and explain his actions but will not divulge unless there is a large enough body of evidence against him.
This leaves me with two people:
SnB has not cared at all about the past two lynches. You can see from his filter that he jumps on the Forumite lynch with little to contribute while also discrediting Rewok. He jumps on the maverick lynch with little to add and also makes sure people know that everyone could be scum ("MMT made the case on Mav but you never know maybe he is scum"). His latest posts are pure setup speculation. He treats Toad very strangely - I'm not sure if he thinks Toad might be scum and hunting for reactions or he is pretending to engage in meaningful conversation.
Toad is someone who has flared up upon a proper reread of the Z-Boson mad hatter business. I originally thought him town after our little spat at the start of the game. However if you reread his filter carefully, you will notice that he uses "vet balance" to get Forumite lynched, but after that he says "oh I guess I was wrong, oh well". He seemed to taunt Z-boson near deadline and called for vig shots on him even if he was town because he would die anyway. I know I said mafia wouldn't kill a potential mad hatter but I forgot that there is a very good chance of a roleblocker in the game, as we still don't know about austin's 2nd shot. I find the explanations for his dismissal of SnB and BM to be beyond just strange, as he is ignoring possible scum on raw setup speculation.
Thoughts please, we need to get this lynch right.On September 14 2012 20:13 Shady Sands wrote:
These are my top lynch candidates at the moment:
Gravan
Maverick
I also have a strong townread on SnB, and my previous townread on sloosh is slipping into null territory after his weak list above.
Yea I dunno how you gonna backtrack on this one Shady. "weak list" you say? It's not something you can really respond to that well, so here's the followup question.
On September 15 2012 08:06 Shady Sands wrote:
Since I thought at the time that Gravan was scum, anyone who came out before a lynch was inevitable on Gravan and made noises about lynching him earned town points in my book. Now that S&B has flipped scum, I retract that and I think Gravan is just a bad town who other scum tried to latch upon. Grav's behavior, in particular, over the past few hours has been very townie and returns my read on him to null.
Can you point out said posts, and how they are "very townie", and only return him to null? Cause I think you're bluffing. And scum. And tomorrow's lynch.
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On September 16 2012 04:56 Shady Sands wrote:
ebwop meant to say over the final day of the heated D4 lynch. Toad was ambivalent to who got lynched that day, which makes sense if you think of him as scum and all of the prospective candidates at the time (me, Grav, MMT) as town.
Also that's some heavy confirmation bias once again. Also you left out Maverick.
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you realize that I told you guys 24hours in advance that I'm not going to be around the final hours of the lynch and won't make it for the deadline at least 3 times?
No you probably don't because you're still not reading the thread.
Unless of course you're saying I'm scummy because unlike the other days I didn't put myself into a leader position telling people what to do. Yeah because I wasn't sure what to do that day. But I guess that's a mafiatreat nowadays.
I still posted way more than you (for example).
The case revolving around the soft defense of SnB is either 100% accurate (if you don't believe my claim) or it is 100% wrong (if you believe my claim) because if it's the latter one it's perfectly explained. There's pretty much nothing inbetween. If the S&B "thing" is all there is about me it comes down to wether or not you believe me.
But of course you're telling people we should ignore that part and just lynch me because I didn't want to lynch S&B although I explained it perfectly.
Just lynch this guy tomorrow pretty please.
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On September 16 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:
you realize that I told you guys 24hours in advance that I'm not going to be around the final hours of the lynch and won't make it for the deadline at least 3 times?
No you probably don't because you're still not reading the thread.
Unless of course you're saying I'm scummy because unlike the other days I didn't put myself into a leader position telling people what to do. Yeah because I wasn't sure what to do that day. But I guess that's a mafiatreat nowadays.
I still posted way more than you (for example).
The case revolving around the soft defense of SnB is either 100% accurate (if you don't believe my claim) or it is 100% wrong (if you believe my claim) because if it's the latter one it's perfectly explained. There's pretty much nothing inbetween. If the S&B "thing" is all there is about me it comes down to wether or not you believe me.
But of course you're telling people we should ignore that part and just lynch me because I didn't want to lynch S&B although I explained it perfectly.
Just lynch this guy tomorrow pretty please.
EBWOP
That was obviously directed at Shady Sands.
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On September 16 2012 05:04 Toadesstern wrote:
you realize that I told you guys 24hours in advance that I'm not going to be around the final hours of the lynch and won't make it for the deadline at least 3 times?
No you probably don't because you're still not reading the thread.
Unless of course you're saying I'm scummy because unlike the other days I didn't put myself into a leader position telling people what to do. Yeah because I wasn't sure what to do that day. But I guess that's a mafiatreat nowadays.
I still posted way more than you (for example).
The case revolving around the soft defense of SnB is either 100% accurate (if you don't believe my claim) or it is 100% wrong (if you believe my claim) because if it's the latter one it's perfectly explained. There's pretty much nothing inbetween. If the S&B "thing" is all there is about me it comes down to wether or not you believe me.
But of course you're telling people we should ignore that part and just lynch me because I didn't want to lynch S&B although I explained it perfectly.
Just lynch this guy tomorrow pretty please.
Its not just about that that is the icing on the cake, will explain more latr
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austin kind of breadcrumbed he shot ottoxlol
i wouldnt blame him, the guy was raving
mafia wouldn't have used a kill on him.. no way, no how
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On September 16 2012 01:46 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 22:42 Toadesstern wrote:On September 15 2012 22:29 Shady Sands wrote:On September 15 2012 08:29 Kreb wrote:
For now I have to agree on Toad with his continous attempts to paint S&B as an assassin does not look very well for him. If so, that makes his Z-Boson night kill rather ballsy, I guess he called the bluff. Scum has been pushing ballsy play all game long (Mattchew). Anyhow: If we are to believe Toad, then a townie vig somehow sniped GK.Hence my vote is going to stick on Toad unless a townie vig comes forward and claims for the GK nightkill. (Needless to say don't claim until after the Daypost.) Translation:He's willing to put everything on a coinflip. If Austin was the vig who shot GK and a mafia-vig (or another town vig) shot Ottox he is going to vote me because there's no (possible) claim. If Austin wasn't the vig who shot GK he's willing to think about not voting me. LoL This is what Austin said about the Ottox NK: Show nested quote +On September 08 2012 23:41 austinmcc wrote:On September 08 2012 23:15 Toadesstern wrote:
Supposedly mafia only used 1KP yesterday. BC got killed by suicidebomber. I hiiiiighly doubt ottox was a mafiahit and think he was hit by town, which leaves us with DrH. But According to BKE only one guy visited him and he did not get doublestacked. Neither do we have a claim from someone else who got protected or shot n1. So one shot is missing
This. GK as suicide bomber could still deliver a kill. And if you're scum and you lose mattchew D1, you're suiciding GK N1, you're 100% gonna use him as a shooter because he can't get caught delivering a kill, he's gonna be dead. We're basically narrowed down to BM24 being double stacked and BKE lying OR BM24 single shot, BKE watcher, and a medic save. Unless mafia shot Ottoxlol, which seems...unlikely.
On September 08 2012 23:29 Shady Sands wrote:Other than BKE, my other main read is GRush. It starts here: On September 06 2012 07:50 grush57 wrote:
K.
Medics on Toad and BC and BM.
Vigi kill in the pool of scummy people/ scummylurkers.
Ex: Ottox, Maverick, Do you has.
This comes before GK suicide bombs into BC/BM. To me it almost sounds like he was trying to draw a blue into the bombing. I'm pretty sure Grush wasn't the only one doing that. Toad did it at one point (or multiple points), everyone and their mother discussed vigi shots on half the town. Morning laziness means I'm not finding those quotes for you, but I'm almost certain there were a decent number of similar posts, but less concise. Bolded for emphasis. I'm almost willing to consider that a soft-claim for the Ottox NK. It's something other people in the thread also picked up on.
SS would know mafia didn't use a kill on ottoxlol, too, which he is confirming... scum confirmation that I am right? priceless!
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On September 16 2012 03:00 Mementoss wrote:
Also grush is WAY too quiet to be town
doesn't mean he is scum. he could easily be assassin
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On September 16 2012 05:01 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote:
Guhh ... why do you guys wait until now to play properly?
What Maverick did just now was a very very town thing. Feigning activity and making cases is easy. Calling the runner up lynch candidate town when you have the most votes is not. The only motivation to do that is that you are town, and you think this person is town. You can see that he doesn't value his specific survival over the town's interests. His case really shows his thinking process and also clarifies past contradictions (e.g. he left out Graven from his scum reads) - consistency like this is hard to setup as scum.
Gravan ... it's really weird with him. As Maverick points out he is playing consistently (regardless of quality). I remember thinking he was newbie town making lots of mistakes, and it could be he is scummy because of this. Also strange is the nature of the maverick counter wagon. Still thinking this one through.
ShiaoPi: his treatment of Mav is townish. Timezones are timezones. Select stuff in his filter make me think he is town and explain his actions but will not divulge unless there is a large enough body of evidence against him.
This leaves me with two people:
SnB has not cared at all about the past two lynches. You can see from his filter that he jumps on the Forumite lynch with little to contribute while also discrediting Rewok. He jumps on the maverick lynch with little to add and also makes sure people know that everyone could be scum ("MMT made the case on Mav but you never know maybe he is scum"). His latest posts are pure setup speculation. He treats Toad very strangely - I'm not sure if he thinks Toad might be scum and hunting for reactions or he is pretending to engage in meaningful conversation.
Toad is someone who has flared up upon a proper reread of the Z-Boson mad hatter business. I originally thought him town after our little spat at the start of the game. However if you reread his filter carefully, you will notice that he uses "vet balance" to get Forumite lynched, but after that he says "oh I guess I was wrong, oh well". He seemed to taunt Z-boson near deadline and called for vig shots on him even if he was town because he would die anyway. I know I said mafia wouldn't kill a potential mad hatter but I forgot that there is a very good chance of a roleblocker in the game, as we still don't know about austin's 2nd shot. I find the explanations for his dismissal of SnB and BM to be beyond just strange, as he is ignoring possible scum on raw setup speculation.
Thoughts please, we need to get this lynch right. Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 20:13 Shady Sands wrote:
These are my top lynch candidates at the moment:
Gravan
Maverick
I also have a strong townread on SnB, and my previous townread on sloosh is slipping into null territory after his weak list above. Yea I dunno how you gonna backtrack on this one Shady. "weak list" you say? It's not something you can really respond to that well, so here's the followup question. Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 08:06 Shady Sands wrote:
Since I thought at the time that Gravan was scum, anyone who came out before a lynch was inevitable on Gravan and made noises about lynching him earned town points in my book. Now that S&B has flipped scum, I retract that and I think Gravan is just a bad town who other scum tried to latch upon. Grav's behavior, in particular, over the past few hours has been very townie and returns my read on him to null.
Can you point out said posts, and how they are "very townie", and only return him to null? Cause I think you're bluffing. And scum. And tomorrow's lynch.
your post is parroting something toad brought up
which you bring up as your own point
which is reaalllyyyy scummy
couple that with the language "you're going to have trouble getting out of this"
which is more like "sorry, but i have to bus you potentially"
yeah.
Toad's thread-cred is way higher than yours, not that it is higher than mine, except to scum-idiots like you/sloosh, and town-idiots like krebs
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*speaking to Shady @ the end*
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I read through the filters of Rewok, ShiaoPi, et al, and didn't find enough to push any of them into scum territory.
I also looked through BM's filter and I found him conspicuously absent during the SnB wagon. He didn't even mention SnB until after the lynch was over. All he did was pressure Hopeless1der, who, as we know, dropped the hammer on SnB and should be considered town.
While it doesn't push my read on him clearly into scum territory, it is the first clear read he's given out all game long, since the rest of his filter consists of trolling.
Hence,
##FoS Bill Murray
If Toad dies tonight, I'm going to push for a lynch on him.
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On September 16 2012 05:01 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote:
Guhh ... why do you guys wait until now to play properly?
What Maverick did just now was a very very town thing. Feigning activity and making cases is easy. Calling the runner up lynch candidate town when you have the most votes is not. The only motivation to do that is that you are town, and you think this person is town. You can see that he doesn't value his specific survival over the town's interests. His case really shows his thinking process and also clarifies past contradictions (e.g. he left out Graven from his scum reads) - consistency like this is hard to setup as scum.
Gravan ... it's really weird with him. As Maverick points out he is playing consistently (regardless of quality). I remember thinking he was newbie town making lots of mistakes, and it could be he is scummy because of this. Also strange is the nature of the maverick counter wagon. Still thinking this one through.
ShiaoPi: his treatment of Mav is townish. Timezones are timezones. Select stuff in his filter make me think he is town and explain his actions but will not divulge unless there is a large enough body of evidence against him.
This leaves me with two people:
SnB has not cared at all about the past two lynches. You can see from his filter that he jumps on the Forumite lynch with little to contribute while also discrediting Rewok. He jumps on the maverick lynch with little to add and also makes sure people know that everyone could be scum ("MMT made the case on Mav but you never know maybe he is scum"). His latest posts are pure setup speculation. He treats Toad very strangely - I'm not sure if he thinks Toad might be scum and hunting for reactions or he is pretending to engage in meaningful conversation.
Toad is someone who has flared up upon a proper reread of the Z-Boson mad hatter business. I originally thought him town after our little spat at the start of the game. However if you reread his filter carefully, you will notice that he uses "vet balance" to get Forumite lynched, but after that he says "oh I guess I was wrong, oh well". He seemed to taunt Z-boson near deadline and called for vig shots on him even if he was town because he would die anyway. I know I said mafia wouldn't kill a potential mad hatter but I forgot that there is a very good chance of a roleblocker in the game, as we still don't know about austin's 2nd shot. I find the explanations for his dismissal of SnB and BM to be beyond just strange, as he is ignoring possible scum on raw setup speculation.
Thoughts please, we need to get this lynch right. Show nested quote +On September 14 2012 20:13 Shady Sands wrote:
These are my top lynch candidates at the moment:
Gravan
Maverick
I also have a strong townread on SnB, and my previous townread on sloosh is slipping into null territory after his weak list above. Yea I dunno how you gonna backtrack on this one Shady. "weak list" you say? It's not something you can really respond to that well, so here's the followup question. Show nested quote +On September 15 2012 08:06 Shady Sands wrote:
Since I thought at the time that Gravan was scum, anyone who came out before a lynch was inevitable on Gravan and made noises about lynching him earned town points in my book. Now that S&B has flipped scum, I retract that and I think Gravan is just a bad town who other scum tried to latch upon. Grav's behavior, in particular, over the past few hours has been very townie and returns my read on him to null.
Can you point out said posts, and how they are "very townie", and only return him to null? Cause I think you're bluffing. And scum. And tomorrow's lynch.
Sloosh, like I said, I misread what SnB wrote to be an endorsement of a Grav lynch. Hence my read shifted towards town. After rereading his post, it's clear he didn't even mean that. Had I read it correctly my read on him would have been null, at the most.
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On September 16 2012 06:16 Shady Sands wrote:
I read through the filters of Rewok, ShiaoPi, et al, and didn't find enough to push any of them into scum territory.
I also looked through BM's filter and I found him conspicuously absent during the SnB wagon. He didn't even mention SnB until after the lynch was over. All he did was pressure Hopeless1der, who, as we know, dropped the hammer on SnB and should be considered town.
While it doesn't push my read on him clearly into scum territory, it is the first clear read he's given out all game long, since the rest of his filter consists of trolling.
Hence,
##FoS Bill Murray
You consider me to be mafia. If that's the case: Why should I die tonight?
I'm not going to kill myself if I'm mafia.
Unless of course you believe my claim is true and there really is a 2nd vig, which you just told me a couple of hours ago is almost impossible according to you.
So if there's no 2nd vig and I'm mafia, how am I supposed to die tonight?
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On September 16 2012 06:30 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2012 06:16 Shady Sands wrote:
I read through the filters of Rewok, ShiaoPi, et al, and didn't find enough to push any of them into scum territory.
I also looked through BM's filter and I found him conspicuously absent during the SnB wagon. He didn't even mention SnB until after the lynch was over. All he did was pressure Hopeless1der, who, as we know, dropped the hammer on SnB and should be considered town.
While it doesn't push my read on him clearly into scum territory, it is the first clear read he's given out all game long, since the rest of his filter consists of trolling.
Hence,
##FoS Bill Murray You consider me to be mafia. If that's the case: Why should I die tonight? I'm not going to kill myself if I'm mafia. Unless of course you believe my claim is true and there really is a 2nd vig, which you just told me a couple of hours ago is almost impossible according to you. So if there's no 2nd vig and I'm mafia, how am I supposed to die tonight?
When did I say there was no 2nd vig?
I said that your roleclaim is untestable since we don't know whether there is or there isn't a 2nd vig. Hence my above statement:
If Toad dies tonight, I'm going to push for a lynch on him.
Note the word "If".
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Also nice job selectively editing that line out of your quotation of my post. Real slick Toad.
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