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Toadesstern
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On September 15 2012 07:18 strongandbig wrote: gg i guess obs qt plz apologies to my team for my lack of activity. working 11PM to 7AM really fucked with my head On September 15 2012 07:19 slOosh wrote: No hard feelings snb. Now to make a list to lynch into and win the game. That's kinda funny. | ||
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Toadesstern
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Mementoss
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Bill Murray
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S&B PUSHING HIM | ||
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Bill Murray
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On September 15 2012 02:25 Mementoss wrote: How do you have a townread on SnB let alone a STRONG townread, wtf, this guy hasn't done shit all game. yeah? how do yo uhave a strong townread on... oh wait he flipped scum LYNCH SHADY SANDS, HE SLIPPED 4 TIMES NOW | ||
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ShiaoPi
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Looking through SnB's filter there are several things to mention imo: -discussion/buddying with Toad --> I don't really know about what to make of the interactions between the two of them and Toads claim, I would agree with Mementoss that we should just judge him based on the filter pre-claim, if toad survives yet another night, we really have to keep track of him.... -pushing mav repeatedly --> My townread on mav is getting much stronger because of it -slight suspicions on sloosh --> coupled together with the way the lynch happened, it is pretty safe to assume that sloosh is town aligned. Besides Toad we should also look at Shady, he looks terrible, his recent surge in activity does feel like his townie meta though, but still he is up there in my lynchlist. There is someone looking even worse though in my opinion, Rewok has done nothing besides the stupid list at the beginning， also his vote on Gravan came at the beginning of the SnB switch, but he neither comments it or switches with the others. As SnB flipped red this looks incredibly scummy to me. So what I am saying is that come the day we should lynch into one of Rewok, Shady or Toad, I am pretty sure we will hit red within these three. | ||
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Bill Murray
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On September 15 2012 10:23 Toadesstern wrote: wat? That's kinda funny. been sayin sloosh + darthpunk + shady sands i guess there were 6 (i always felt bc was wrong to chastise ottoxlol on it being 5) if anything, that should have cleared ottoxlol if people felt he was being genuine, which he was anyways, yeah, so there are the last 3 scum, and 2 of them have slipped sloosh i'm disappointed in you LOL nice slip though *nudge, nudge* | ||
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Bill Murray
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On September 15 2012 17:01 ShiaoPi wrote: Toads claim,<EDITED> we really have to keep track of him.... ![[image loading]](http://i48.tinypic.com/6rkjdt.jpg) | ||
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Bill Murray
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mafia wouldn't wifom that, so he is up for lynch tomorrow, especially since his "track targets" are partially dead. | ||
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Kreb
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People I'd consider high priority voting target atm: Toad, Rewok and maaaybe BM too. Not gonna spend another big post on BM, but I'll spend one on Toad and Rewok respectively. Toad - Woah, theres too many little small things here I'd like to mention, but without a doubt the biggest one is his interactions with S&B and his continous assassin painting of him. But, as Ive explained before Ive been very paranoid about Toad. That probably means Ive thought a lot more about "Why would Toad want to write this here if he was mafia?" than Ive done with any other player. I'll just list a bunch of things I thought were very conviniently said, or things which happened which would be very convinient for a possible mafia-Toad (incoming overusage of the word convenient): 1) This post: + Show Spoiler + On September 07 2012 06:59 Toadesstern wrote: Toads very important thoughts mostly about VETs and whatever else I consider important so far I'm doing this post because I'm probably going to die tonight. I consider myself a vet and most people probably consider me a vet as well but unlike BC I usually don't draw protection from medics for two reasons I don't need to go into detail right now, although the reasoning becomes apparant after reading the whole thing :p First important topic: VETs in this game
That's my take on who's a vet in this game. A lot of people think it's hard to analyse vets to a point that they almost got a mental blockade when it comes to vets, that's why I'm going to post some about those 4/5 although I don't have anything major yet, though I've got a conclusion I'm quite comfortable with. First things first, I did this post (+ Show Spoiler [click me!] + On September 06 2012 07:40 Toadesstern wrote: Bam. Watcher on people like BC and me please. Mafia will want to hit that. I am an incredible controversial guy and a shitton of people are scared like crazy about me because I'm apparently unreadable according to them. I'm a little like BC-junior, or maybe WBG-junior in that regard because people tell me I'm looking pro-town no matter of alignment every single game. So usually I'm getting the same old crap about me every game "Toad is looking townish, but that's a null-tell because Toad always looks that way". Take AC for example, Radfield actually told his scumbuddies to just attack me for looking good because I'm always looking good. WBG called the play VE and I did in LI "the best bus TL has ever seen", he said I'm unreadable in PTP, I totally destroyed town in magic and surely everyone remembers the "Annul game" (sup palmer :p). Except for PyourPoison I destroyed pretty much every town I played against as mafia and every single game I was called a townie by the vast majority of the game while telling people what to do. That's the reason I'm getting these bullshit arguments like "Toad is unreadable" / "Toad is looking town but that means nothing" all the time. No matter if I'm town or mafia and frankly I was expecting to hear something like that from a mafia-player because it's an incredible easy approach to attack someone because you can just say that EVERY single game. Sadly it never happened. However I still ended up getting some reactions although they're minor ones. tl;dr / Summary so far:
That leaves us with Foru and DrH. DrH still feels odd although I can't put my finger on it. Foru feels way to cautios when he's posting. I'm almost certain one of those 2 got to be mafia and considering that my guts are telling me that foru feels cautios I'd rather bet on him being mafia by some degree. The thing about this is that it's not a clear case. What I've got about those 3 (BM / foru / drH) so far is very minor and not worth making a case about so I'm not going to. However process of elimination is a nice approach for those kind of people and that being said I really doubt BM or BC are mafia. People who are not vets but should be a topic Ottox: No need to talk about him I guess DoYouHas: He's looking bad when posting but I actually like his answers strongandbig: That guy should be scared as shit about me but he isn't. Not at all. To be precise he's even pretty buddy-ish with me. I think he knows I'm not mafia. Do not like. BroodKingEXE: Weirdest vote from d1. Other than that he's fine but the vote really looks like "let's scatter at least SOMEWHAT, just pretend you forgot to unvote BKE" If Ottox somehow manages to survive the night you've got to lynch him no matter what. It's actually quite possible that we've got vigs thinking "well we probably got a bunch of vigs who want to shoot him so I don't need to as well. No need to quadrupel-stack him". I've been in that situation as well and ended up shooting my #2 reads instead of my #1 reads (AC comes to mind  ) because I thought someone else would take care of the #1 read anyways because the guy was pretty much confirmed mafia.Ottox definitly is the best lynch if he survives. BKE & S+B are mentioned because I want people to check their filter as well. I'm not set on lynching them yet but they're the best candidates I've got besides the "usual" ones. I'd rather not have people just forget about them. That being said I think it's quite likely I'm going to be dead in a couple of minutes so I'm posting this to give a couple of thoughts in case I'm not around any more. They're obviously all pretty vague because it's d1/n1 after all and thereforet it's just a summary. That means you've got to check filters yourself to understand what I'm talking about and wether or not you agree with me. Regretted not doing that in WoF when I was shot n1 as well ... Right now we're having quite a luxury problem though: We're having to many people doing cases about everyone and their dog. That's totally fine in itself but you guys need to make sure you got some focus tomorrow. Talking about a lot of people is fine but if everyone's like a little gonzaw we'll have 25 people screaming "NO MY CASE IS THE BEST" and mafia has an easy time to pick a fitting case out of the 15915815 existing ones and will push that one. So don't spam the thread too much. This post I just did is already a wall-of-text although I'm only scratching the surface of things when talking about stuff. So keep that in mind tomorrow. And in particular this part: That's the reason I'm getting these bullshit arguments like "Toad is unreadable" / "Toad is looking town but that means nothing" all the time. No matter if I'm town or mafia and frankly I was expecting to hear something like that from a mafia-player because it's an incredible easy approach to attack someone because you can just say that EVERY single game. Sadly it never happened. That, to me, looks like pre-defending against the normal "Toad is unreadable" posts. Convenient to do for a mafia. 2) However, following that thoght, I think his post had a bit of a backlash. Remember me posting this: + Show Spoiler + On September 12 2012 22:50 Kreb wrote: But given the fact that he pretty much told us we should be paranoid as fuck about him (which I very much am) due to how supposedly good he was as mafia, I at least think we could demand a comment. As I said Im not suspicious, Im just paranoid. I trusted him for this lynch, that trust took a bit of a hit. Im wondering if I should renew the trust or not. And I also think I remember someone else also expressing paranoia about Toad, dont quote me on that though, not gonna read through everything to find a sentence about it. I might be wrong. But anyway, after that we saw Toad saying stuff like this: + Show Spoiler + On September 14 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote: Also this is nothing special. I'm awesome at playing mafia yet I'm only an average town-player. Mafia left me alive in *whatever the name was* although I was a modconfirmed town mason in that game. But again, a lot of people are paranoid about me, even if I end up being innocent-child-like confirmed. Not saying it's that strong this game but you've got to be really paranoid to consider me a mafia after what happened yesterday. I usually get shot either n1 or survive until lylo. Pretty much nothing inbetween exists in the history of Toad-games so far. You should put your paranoia somewhere else. Maybe something good will come out of it if you target someone else. And this: On September 14 2012 05:59 Toadesstern wrote: sure, I want to know wether or not my doubt is justified. For that to happen I need him to stop acting all paranoid about me. Very convenient to try and get rid of the fact that people have expressed paranoia about him. 3) Him posting an extensive case on Forumite, but not really trying to push the wagon on it. He left that to other people (there was someone pointing this out, dont remember who, not gonna spend the time looking for that one phrase). Very convenient to plant the seed and let others do the hard work. 4) Him compltely going "sit back and watch" style for the last night kill. He was very lightly discussing who to vote. We saw posts like these: On September 13 2012 22:46 Toadesstern wrote: voting for Mementoss to get lynched seems like a good plan for today. Thoughts? On September 14 2012 00:48 Toadesstern wrote: Yeah I'd be willing to lynch anyone out of Gravan, Mementoss and Mav today (so far). But I'm willing to sheep someone else today, for the good of town! On September 15 2012 02:28 Toadesstern wrote: 30 more minutes until I've got to leave. Shady Sands or Gravan? Now these wouldnt have been all too strange if he hadnt been a lot more pushy in his previous cases. Now hes seemingly fine sitting back and enjoying the show. Very convenient. 5) Also not how he switches people very fast in those quotes (MMToss -> Grav/MMToss/Mav -> SS/Grav. And he doesnt seem to keen on explaining why he is switching around all those names. Its like he doesnt have a will at all and just wants to follow. And I do think we can be pretty sure Toad has a will. 6) Him coming into the thread with a "perfect" setup defense at 2.30 am when he (at least according to what he said) wasnt present at lynch time. Hmmm. 7) The claim itself, where he claims tracker (no other confirmed track so far, convenient) and how most of his reads are impossible/hard to confirm. 8) Bringing back the same quote from before: On September 14 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote: Also this is nothing special. I'm awesome at playing mafia yet I'm only an average town-player. Mafia left me alive in *whatever the name was* although I was a modconfirmed town mason in that game. But again, a lot of people are paranoid about me, even if I end up being innocent-child-like confirmed. Not saying it's that strong this game but you've got to be really paranoid to consider me a mafia after what happened yesterday. I usually get shot either n1 or survive until lylo. Pretty much nothing inbetween exists in the history of Toad-games so far. Now, he didnt say anything about his town-play in that big post he made early on where he explained his awesome mafia play. But he has certainly done a descent amount of talking about what vets are and that they are good at the game. Then hes suddenly claiming to be an average town player (when we should be asking ourselves why he isnt dead yet, especially since there was a quite unanimous view that he shouldnt get any protection last night). Very convenient to build yourself as an average player to stop such questions from popping up? Oh yes. 9) In light of his tracker claim, doesnt this come off as a bit odd? On September 13 2012 05:30 Toadesstern wrote: So I propose this: Trackers go and track Z-Boson. If he's a Mad Hatter as he says he is and he genuinely believes me to be mafia he already has the bomb placed on me (as he just claimed) and therefore doesn't need to visit someone as he doesn't need to change the bomb and can just leave it on me. If that guy visits someone we've got ourselves a mafia :p Why would you try to direct trackers somewhere if you were a tracker? And to remind you all: These are IN ADDITION to the constant assassin painting of S&B. Paranoia or not, with the S&B flip I do think this looks a bit too fishy to leave alone. | ||
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Kreb
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+ Show Spoiler + Holy shiet this thread gets going quickly! Alright, time to say hi :-) My name's Rewok. I haven't played with any of you before, so I'm gonna take this first post to tell you about my strategy for this game. I'll also give my reads, etc. But that's gonna be further down. Basically, I see the game like this. The goal for mafia is to stay alive. The goal for Town is to get rid of people. Knowing this, Town tends to be more bloodthirsty from the front. While Mafia's best strategy is to target specific people. Town strategy tends to lean towards "getting blood" right away. Because each person gone could kill a mafia. Worst case scenario, you know one person isn't a mafia. And you can get a better read from the filters. Mafia tends to want specific people dead, right away. They have better information. So they tend to skew towards "let's kill THIS PERSON. Otherwise, let's pass on the ban this round." (A little about me: I like to be careful about my scumreads. I'll only give a scumread if I've got a VERY strong hunch. My goal isn't to lynch townies. It's to make sure we use each lynch to nail a mafia and get this game over with quickly. Also - with every townie left alive.) Now that I've revealed this, the meta is gonna change. However, using the current filters from before I posted this, here's what I got: page 9 stop being paranoid - - - - - - READS << ps. holy filters, batman!! >> - - - - - - And: + Show Spoiler + When I say Town Read or Mafia Read, it's gonna be a firm read as far as I can tell. I'm not looking to change or update my reads every 1/2 day. My goal is to make reads that stick, which simply requires more info than we're got so far. (Zero votes and lots of bickering.) He comes into his first mafia game all fine and dandy with perfectly reasonable posting for a newbie, right? But then he completely shifts into lurker mode without saying anything! Would a newbie with all good-hearted and genuine goals not say anything? I find that very unlikely. He is apparently a bit taken by surprise by the amount of posting going on and how much he is supposed to keep up with. Wouldnt a town-newbie really excuse himself? Say stuff like "Im sorry I cant keep up this is taking too much of my time" or "Im not really used to this so Im sorry Im not helping much" or maybe even go as far as to ask for a replacement? We've seen nothing of that, instead he just goes afk completely. This might also be due to a mafia leading the pack (Toad?) telling him to stop with his "Im an innocent townie"-talk to not get attention drawn to him. Maybe mafia prefers him being easily bussable. Last part might have been far fetched by yea, I dont see his play fitting an innocent newbie. | ||
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Kreb
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Bill Murray
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anyone else agree? | ||
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Bill Murray
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vig do this, vig do that it's like night 5, pipe it | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 15 2012 18:32 Bill Murray wrote: toad's claim - really weirdly timed mafia wouldn't wifom that, so he is up for lynch tomorrow, especially since his "track targets" are partially dead. I'm claiming because I'm still like 97% confirmed "Not-mafia" like Z-Boson explained and people for some reason consider me a possible lynch candidate. I'm claiming because it proves that I had no knowledge of the nightkills n1, which again, proves I'm not mafia. I'm claiming because I know there's a 2nd vig out there somewhere (unlike you) and if people keep on harping about how I am mafia because all the people who kept saying I'm town are dead by now (how in the world is that mafiatreat for me?). It's better to claim like this and possibly lose my role than to be shot by a vig at night because some idiot told him "duuude, toad is mafia because people said he's town!" On September 15 2012 20:38 Kreb wrote: With a nights sleep and soem thinking I thought I'd try and update a bit on the situation as I see it. People I'd consider high priority voting target atm: Toad, Rewok and maaaybe BM too. Not gonna spend another big post on BM, but I'll spend one on Toad and Rewok respectively. Toad - Woah, theres too many little small things here I'd like to mention, but without a doubt the biggest one is his interactions with S&B and his continous assassin painting of him. But, as Ive explained before Ive been very paranoid about Toad. That probably means Ive thought a lot more about "Why would Toad want to write this here if he was mafia?" than Ive done with any other player. I'll just list a bunch of things I thought were very conviniently said, or things which happened which would be very convinient for a possible mafia-Toad (incoming overusage of the word convenient): 1) This post: + Show Spoiler + On September 07 2012 06:59 Toadesstern wrote: Toads very important thoughts mostly about VETs and whatever else I consider important so far I'm doing this post because I'm probably going to die tonight. I consider myself a vet and most people probably consider me a vet as well but unlike BC I usually don't draw protection from medics for two reasons I don't need to go into detail right now, although the reasoning becomes apparant after reading the whole thing :p First important topic: VETs in this game
That's my take on who's a vet in this game. A lot of people think it's hard to analyse vets to a point that they almost got a mental blockade when it comes to vets, that's why I'm going to post some about those 4/5 although I don't have anything major yet, though I've got a conclusion I'm quite comfortable with. First things first, I did this post (+ Show Spoiler [click me!] + On September 06 2012 07:40 Toadesstern wrote: Bam. Watcher on people like BC and me please. Mafia will want to hit that. I am an incredible controversial guy and a shitton of people are scared like crazy about me because I'm apparently unreadable according to them. I'm a little like BC-junior, or maybe WBG-junior in that regard because people tell me I'm looking pro-town no matter of alignment every single game. So usually I'm getting the same old crap about me every game "Toad is looking townish, but that's a null-tell because Toad always looks that way". Take AC for example, Radfield actually told his scumbuddies to just attack me for looking good because I'm always looking good. WBG called the play VE and I did in LI "the best bus TL has ever seen", he said I'm unreadable in PTP, I totally destroyed town in magic and surely everyone remembers the "Annul game" (sup palmer :p). Except for PyourPoison I destroyed pretty much every town I played against as mafia and every single game I was called a townie by the vast majority of the game while telling people what to do. That's the reason I'm getting these bullshit arguments like "Toad is unreadable" / "Toad is looking town but that means nothing" all the time. No matter if I'm town or mafia and frankly I was expecting to hear something like that from a mafia-player because it's an incredible easy approach to attack someone because you can just say that EVERY single game. Sadly it never happened. However I still ended up getting some reactions although they're minor ones. tl;dr / Summary so far:
That leaves us with Foru and DrH. DrH still feels odd although I can't put my finger on it. Foru feels way to cautios when he's posting. I'm almost certain one of those 2 got to be mafia and considering that my guts are telling me that foru feels cautios I'd rather bet on him being mafia by some degree. The thing about this is that it's not a clear case. What I've got about those 3 (BM / foru / drH) so far is very minor and not worth making a case about so I'm not going to. However process of elimination is a nice approach for those kind of people and that being said I really doubt BM or BC are mafia. People who are not vets but should be a topic Ottox: No need to talk about him I guess DoYouHas: He's looking bad when posting but I actually like his answers strongandbig: That guy should be scared as shit about me but he isn't. Not at all. To be precise he's even pretty buddy-ish with me. I think he knows I'm not mafia. Do not like. BroodKingEXE: Weirdest vote from d1. Other than that he's fine but the vote really looks like "let's scatter at least SOMEWHAT, just pretend you forgot to unvote BKE" If Ottox somehow manages to survive the night you've got to lynch him no matter what. It's actually quite possible that we've got vigs thinking "well we probably got a bunch of vigs who want to shoot him so I don't need to as well. No need to quadrupel-stack him". I've been in that situation as well and ended up shooting my #2 reads instead of my #1 reads (AC comes to mind ) because I thought someone else would take care of the #1 read anyways because the guy was pretty much confirmed mafia.Ottox definitly is the best lynch if he survives. BKE & S+B are mentioned because I want people to check their filter as well. I'm not set on lynching them yet but they're the best candidates I've got besides the "usual" ones. I'd rather not have people just forget about them. That being said I think it's quite likely I'm going to be dead in a couple of minutes so I'm posting this to give a couple of thoughts in case I'm not around any more. They're obviously all pretty vague because it's d1/n1 after all and thereforet it's just a summary. That means you've got to check filters yourself to understand what I'm talking about and wether or not you agree with me. Regretted not doing that in WoF when I was shot n1 as well ... Right now we're having quite a luxury problem though: We're having to many people doing cases about everyone and their dog. That's totally fine in itself but you guys need to make sure you got some focus tomorrow. Talking about a lot of people is fine but if everyone's like a little gonzaw we'll have 25 people screaming "NO MY CASE IS THE BEST" and mafia has an easy time to pick a fitting case out of the 15915815 existing ones and will push that one. So don't spam the thread too much. This post I just did is already a wall-of-text although I'm only scratching the surface of things when talking about stuff. So keep that in mind tomorrow. And in particular this part: That, to me, looks like pre-defending against the normal "Toad is unreadable" posts. Convenient to do for a mafia. No it's not convenient to do as mafia. It's a necessity to mention if you want to stop people posting bullshit like that. That's an early: Don't even think about posting something like that. If you want to attack me, attack me with arguments. I'll consider everyone who says "Toad is mafia because he is unreadable" to be mafia or derailing the thread on purpose. That's not an excuse, it's telling people to not post useless stuff that has no meaning to it but looks like contribution. Defending against "woah Toad is mafia because I'm paranoid" isn't even possible in the first place. If that's your argument it can't be early defending because there's no point to attack that "argument". I'm basicly telling people to not post fluff and instead post actual arguments. 2) However, following that thoght, I think his post had a bit of a backlash. Remember me posting this: + Show Spoiler + On September 12 2012 22:50 Kreb wrote: But given the fact that he pretty much told us we should be paranoid as fuck about him (which I very much am) due to how supposedly good he was as mafia, I at least think we could demand a comment. As I said Im not suspicious, Im just paranoid. I trusted him for this lynch, that trust took a bit of a hit. Im wondering if I should renew the trust or not. And I also think I remember someone else also expressing paranoia about Toad, dont quote me on that though, not gonna read through everything to find a sentence about it. I might be wrong. But anyway, after that we saw Toad saying stuff like this: + Show Spoiler + On September 14 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote: Also this is nothing special. I'm awesome at playing mafia yet I'm only an average town-player. Mafia left me alive in *whatever the name was* although I was a modconfirmed town mason in that game. But again, a lot of people are paranoid about me, even if I end up being innocent-child-like confirmed. Not saying it's that strong this game but you've got to be really paranoid to consider me a mafia after what happened yesterday. I usually get shot either n1 or survive until lylo. Pretty much nothing inbetween exists in the history of Toad-games so far. You should put your paranoia somewhere else. Maybe something good will come out of it if you target someone else. And this: Very convenient to try and get rid of the fact that people have expressed paranoia about him. Well as mentioned. Paranoia is not an actual argument. What am I supposed to do about that besides saying "cool down a little, try and scumhunt elsewhere or at least give me some actual comments. What you're doing is pointless"? 3) Him posting an extensive case on Forumite, but not really trying to push the wagon on it. He left that to other people (there was someone pointing this out, dont remember who, not gonna spend the time looking for that one phrase). Very convenient to plant the seed and let others do the hard work. That's just a lie. I was the guy who pushed Forumite the most. When people asked why we're lynching Forumite people referred to my case, people referred to "yeah let's sheep Toad". Fine if you think it's scummy to be wrong that would be one thing but saying I didn't push Forumite and made other people do the legwork is a straight up lie. Pretty sure if you asked people "who was the reason for Forus lynch?" everyone would have answered saying my name. 4) Him compltely going "sit back and watch" style for the last night kill. He was very lightly discussing who to vote. We saw posts like these: Now these wouldnt have been all too strange if he hadnt been a lot more pushy in his previous cases. Now hes seemingly fine sitting back and enjoying the show. Very convenient. Now you're even admitting that you lied when talking about 3). if he hadnt been a lot more pushy in his previous cases I thought the reason I'm scummy is because I wasn't pushy at all when pushing Foru and made the other people do the legwork?You're contradicting yourself. You're saying when pushing foru I wasn't pushing hard enough therefore I'm mafia and when pushing foru I was pushing way harder than later on, which means I am mafia because I pushed foru so hard. That just doesn't make sense 5) Also not how he switches people very fast in those quotes (MMToss -> Grav/MMToss/Mav -> SS/Grav. And he doesnt seem to keen on explaining why he is switching around all those names. Its like he doesnt have a will at all and just wants to follow. And I do think we can be pretty sure Toad has a will. I think I explained my reasoning pretty well and you're just like SS here, you apparently read the thread but haven't understood what was posted... The vote on MMToss (and the switches in stances) was to see how people would react. That's why I asked about how people feel when asking about specific people, because I wanted to know who's going to answer and how he's going to answer. Again here's what happened:
That's not switching reads at all. That's starting with a bunch and decreasing the number until I'm down with someone I like the most to be lynched. Yet you're only looking at the votes, not even reading the explanations I gave because frankly you haven't understood the situation at all 6) Him coming into the thread with a "perfect" setup defense at 2.30 am when he (at least according to what he said) wasnt present at lynch time. Hmmm. It's "perfect" because it's the truth... way to confirmation bias. Of course it's simple to explain things if I have to just write what actually happened lol. Actually here's one thing about my mafia play everyone knows: I NEVER lie about anything unless I have to. I always leave the facts that are true as they are and just change my own alignment to fit the situation but I'm never lying about something like nightkills or something like that. If you consider me a mafia you also have to think that I lied when I claimed. Now why I breadcrumb something like a track on BM24 the guy who we (assuming I'm mafia) suicide bombed if I really was lying about my claim and that never happened to begin with? Why did I pick BM24 to breadcrum? The only guy it's impossible to breadcrumb about if I'm really a liar when I (unlike SS I think?) knew about the Suicidebomber and that it affects Trackers and Watchers + Show Spoiler [lookylooky] + On September 08 2012 23:37 Shady Sands wrote: I thought Watcher wasn't affected by suicide bomber? Anyhow, if your interpretation of the rules is true, that just makes BKE's claim even less likely to be true. This just proves that I had no knowledge of the nightkills. If I had I would not have picked BM24 for two reasons: 1) The guy got shot by mafia. Why would I want to possibly tell people "dudes I visited the guy who got shot by mafia yesterday" 2) Why did I pick the guy who got suicidebombed (assuming I'm a liar/mafia) instead of someone that just makes sense? Again, that's from the n1 deadline. And btw you can check the entirety of my mafia games. I'll ensure you won't find a single game in which I'm preparing breadcrumbs ahead of time as mafia because I'm way too lazy to do that. 7) The claim itself, where he claims tracker (no other confirmed track so far, convenient) and how most of his reads are impossible/hard to confirm. Same thing as 4). That's confirmation bias. Obviously there's no other tracker so far because I'm a tracker. But you're saying the fact that there's no other tracker so far means I'm mafia who picked that on purpose. How is that the option but simply thinking "well, might be he IS a tracker" isn't an option? That's the worst kind of confirmation bias I've ever seen. Also Tracker is a bitch to claim. It's literally impossible to claim for mafia. For all I care you could tell me who to track today (one of the reasons I CLAIMED RIGHT NOW, to confirm myself), I'd do that and bam, there's no way for mafia to fake that. I either am a tracker or I'm dead. Why would I claim that as mafia? Why would you want to risk killing me if it's literally impossible to fakeclaim a tracker as "not-tracker" and time will tell whether or not I'm a tracker just fine 8) Bringing back the same quote from before: Now, he didnt say anything about his town-play in that big post he made early on where he explained his awesome mafia play. But he has certainly done a descent amount of talking about what vets are and that they are good at the game. Then hes suddenly claiming to be an average town player (when we should be asking ourselves why he isnt dead yet, especially since there was a quite unanimous view that he shouldnt get any protection last night). Very convenient to build yourself as an average player to stop such questions from popping up? Oh yes. Yeha, again someone who hasn't read the thread. Have you forgot there was someone who claimed to have a bomb on me? Because I'm pretty sure someone asked me that as well a couple of days ago and completly forgot about the Z-Boson claim: Z-Boson claimed to have a bomb on me. Mafia shot him because they thought he had a bomb on me. Why in the world should mafia place KP on me if they think there's a bomb on me? That's wasted. Of course I'm still alive. Also I did a good job of promoting the idea that we've got a medic while that was complete and utter bullshit. Mafia is dodging high priority targets, as can be seen when checking out the nightkills. They're afraid of medic protection and want to have safe kills rather than dead vets. BM is still alive, no one is bitching about him, are you? 9) In light of his tracker claim, doesnt this come off as a bit odd? Why would you try to direct trackers somewhere if you were a tracker? Why shouldn't I? Again, you're using confirmation bias to make me look like a mafia. You're saying "dude is a liar, therefore he is not a tracker, therefore this makes no sense" but if you look at it from another angle and just assume I'm not a liar for a second it makes perfect sense. If I'm a tracker I don't think it's likely there's more trackers in the game, maybe a 2nd but not a 3rd with a watcher already flipped. I said that to not look like a blue while being 70% certain it won't affect people at all because there's no 2nd tracker to begin with. It would have been troublesome if I had told anyone but trackers to be on Z-Boson because that would have been a serious request while saying something about trackers is a moot point because there's most likely no other trackers in this game and I don't influence people at al. And to remind you all: These are IN ADDITION to the constant assassin painting of S&B. I already explained that. If you had a VT check on your mafia read. What would you do? Get in the thread claiming "sup I'm a tracker and S&B did not visit anyone last night, therefore he's most likely a VT!" ? Of course not, you'd try to subtle implant the idea that you were wrong about S&B to not look like someone who changed his mind about S&B out of nowhere because he suddenly got some new information because that's a blueslip. Again, you're using confirmation bias to make me look bad. Paranoia or not, with the S&B flip I do think this looks a bit too fishy to leave alone. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On September 15 2012 08:29 Kreb wrote: For now I have to agree on Toad with his continous attempts to paint S&B as an assassin does not look very well for him. If so, that makes his Z-Boson night kill rather ballsy, I guess he called the bluff. Scum has been pushing ballsy play all game long (Mattchew). Anyhow: [b[If we are to believe Toad, then a townie vig somehow sniped GK.[/b] Hence my vote is going to stick on Toad unless a townie vig comes forward and claims for the GK nightkill. (Needless to say don't claim until after the Daypost.) | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On September 15 2012 22:29 Shady Sands wrote: Scum has been pushing ballsy play all game long (Mattchew). Anyhow: If we are to believe Toad, then a townie vig somehow sniped GK. Hence my vote is going to stick on Toad unless a townie vig comes forward and claims for the GK nightkill. (Needless to say don't claim until after the Daypost.) Translation: He's willing to put everything on a coinflip. If Austin was the vig who shot GK and a mafia-vig (or another town vig) shot Ottox he is going to vote me because there's no (possible) claim. If Austin wasn't the vig who shot GK he's willing to think about not voting me. LoL | ||
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Canada2595 Posts
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