EPTMy bad, I didn't realize you're actually believing me but at the same time thinking I'm mafia who's making up bullshit.
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Toadesstern
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Mementoss
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I am pretty sure Toad is scum for sure, he has been on the scummy side of everything so far in this game and his play just seems to emulate scum play. Part I: Leading the Town/ Look at me Im town: I understand in every town, there is gunna be a townie who is going to try to lead the town, or at least be the most active player in the game. That happens, that is good because it generates discussion. However, Toad realizes the amount of newer players and lurkers in this game, espeically after Night 1 and decides to capitalize. He doesn't just state his positions, and try to generate discussion, but he posts in a way such to say, follow me to the grave and what I say is right no matter what. Examples are these big posts below, that look very town, but actually do nothing to hunt scum, and seem like the right thing to follow if your new. Additioanlly, multiple times in the game, Toad specifically states, or implies, that he is town or obviously town due to this this and this. This nonsense would trick your average noob, but everyone knows you should not have to state I am town, it should just be implied through pro town behaviour. + Show Spoiler + On September 07 2012 06:59 Toadesstern wrote: Toads very important thoughts mostly about VETs and whatever else I consider important so far I'm doing this post because I'm probably going to die tonight. I consider myself a vet and most people probably consider me a vet as well but unlike BC I usually don't draw protection from medics for two reasons I don't need to go into detail right now, although the reasoning becomes apparant after reading the whole thing :p First important topic: VETs in this game
That's my take on who's a vet in this game. A lot of people think it's hard to analyse vets to a point that they almost got a mental blockade when it comes to vets, that's why I'm going to post some about those 4/5 although I don't have anything major yet, though I've got a conclusion I'm quite comfortable with. First things first, I did this post (+ Show Spoiler [click me!] + On September 06 2012 07:40 Toadesstern wrote: Bam. Watcher on people like BC and me please. Mafia will want to hit that. I am an incredible controversial guy and a shitton of people are scared like crazy about me because I'm apparently unreadable according to them. I'm a little like BC-junior, or maybe WBG-junior in that regard because people tell me I'm looking pro-town no matter of alignment every single game. So usually I'm getting the same old crap about me every game "Toad is looking townish, but that's a null-tell because Toad always looks that way". Take AC for example, Radfield actually told his scumbuddies to just attack me for looking good because I'm always looking good. WBG called the play VE and I did in LI "the best bus TL has ever seen", he said I'm unreadable in PTP, I totally destroyed town in magic and surely everyone remembers the "Annul game" (sup palmer :p). Except for PyourPoison I destroyed pretty much every town I played against as mafia and every single game I was called a townie by the vast majority of the game while telling people what to do. That's the reason I'm getting these bullshit arguments like "Toad is unreadable" / "Toad is looking town but that means nothing" all the time. No matter if I'm town or mafia and frankly I was expecting to hear something like that from a mafia-player because it's an incredible easy approach to attack someone because you can just say that EVERY single game. Sadly it never happened. However I still ended up getting some reactions although they're minor ones. tl;dr / Summary so far:
That leaves us with Foru and DrH. DrH still feels odd although I can't put my finger on it. Foru feels way to cautios when he's posting. I'm almost certain one of those 2 got to be mafia and considering that my guts are telling me that foru feels cautios I'd rather bet on him being mafia by some degree. The thing about this is that it's not a clear case. What I've got about those 3 (BM / foru / drH) so far is very minor and not worth making a case about so I'm not going to. However process of elimination is a nice approach for those kind of people and that being said I really doubt BM or BC are mafia. People who are not vets but should be a topic Ottox: No need to talk about him I guess DoYouHas: He's looking bad when posting but I actually like his answers strongandbig: That guy should be scared as shit about me but he isn't. Not at all. To be precise he's even pretty buddy-ish with me. I think he knows I'm not mafia. Do not like. BroodKingEXE: Weirdest vote from d1. Other than that he's fine but the vote really looks like "let's scatter at least SOMEWHAT, just pretend you forgot to unvote BKE" If Ottox somehow manages to survive the night you've got to lynch him no matter what. It's actually quite possible that we've got vigs thinking "well we probably got a bunch of vigs who want to shoot him so I don't need to as well. No need to quadrupel-stack him". I've been in that situation as well and ended up shooting my #2 reads instead of my #1 reads (AC comes to mind  ) because I thought someone else would take care of the #1 read anyways because the guy was pretty much confirmed mafia.Ottox definitly is the best lynch if he survives. BKE & S+B are mentioned because I want people to check their filter as well. I'm not set on lynching them yet but they're the best candidates I've got besides the "usual" ones. I'd rather not have people just forget about them. That being said I think it's quite likely I'm going to be dead in a couple of minutes so I'm posting this to give a couple of thoughts in case I'm not around any more. They're obviously all pretty vague because it's d1/n1 after all and thereforet it's just a summary. That means you've got to check filters yourself to understand what I'm talking about and wether or not you agree with me. Regretted not doing that in WoF when I was shot n1 as well ... Right now we're having quite a luxury problem though: We're having to many people doing cases about everyone and their dog. That's totally fine in itself but you guys need to make sure you got some focus tomorrow. Talking about a lot of people is fine but if everyone's like a little gonzaw we'll have 25 people screaming "NO MY CASE IS THE BEST" and mafia has an easy time to pick a fitting case out of the 15915815 existing ones and will push that one. So don't spam the thread too much. This post I just did is already a wall-of-text although I'm only scratching the surface of things when talking about stuff. So keep that in mind tomorrow. On September 06 2012 07:40 Toadesstern wrote: Bam. Watcher on people like BC and me please. Mafia will want to hit that. To noobs this seems fine, Toad is posting a lot and is likely to die we should use our blue powers on him. To anyone else it looks pretty scummy, directing blues, as well as trying to get them on yourself. Note how he says watcher, as scum there is NO way this can make him look bad, it can only make others look bad, after they claim the watch and Toad says something along the lines of SHEIT he was on me, must be scum. Also, scum is safe to ask for trackers on them as well, cause Toad knew he wouldn't be delivering KP that night, therefore wasting the track for the night. People realize this, so he goes on to defend this post, with his Secret Plan to out scum vets. This is just him covering his own ass, drawing attention to yourself by looking scummy, isn't going to help you find scum. This whole post did nothing to find scum, it was basically a HUGE post saying I am town. "If Ottox somehow manages to survive the night you've got to lynch him no matter what. It's actually quite possible that we've got vigs thinking "well we probably got a bunch of vigs who want to shoot him so I don't need to as well. No need to quadrupel-stack him". I've been in that situation as well and ended up shooting my #2 reads instead of my #1 reads (AC comes to mind ) because I thought someone else would take care of the #1 read anyways because the guy was pretty much confirmed mafia. Ottox definitly is the best lynch if he survives." I talked about this earlier, and austinmc pointed it out but it was basically pressuring blues onto ottoxlol for the suicide bomber mass town kill. + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2012 09:42 Toadesstern wrote: btw random observation that might be worth sharing as I'm not sure what to make of it yet but it's interessting: Important part of the quote in red. Nothing else changed. That's it for today for me Putting the thoughts into peoples minds about the next days mislynch early. + Show Spoiler + On September 10 2012 02:36 Toadesstern wrote: I've got a little task for people, read this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=330925 Also make sure to read the obs-QT and especially Syllos opinion on forumite (click me!) I know I don't usually ask people to read older games because it's a pain in the ass but this one is important. When you're done reading I want you to think about forumite. There's 4 major things that come to my mind when thinking about forumite:
It's the very same thing we had in WoF. Town-Forumite is useful, good and will do STUFF. Can you think of one important post forumite has done this game? Just one that instantly pops into your mind? I can't without having his filter opened because there's really not much that sticks out. His most important post probably was this: + Show Spoiler [click me] + On September 09 2012 06:32 Forumite wrote: Kreb (Miltonkram) (0) BroodKingEXE (16) Hapahauli slOosh imallinson Hopeless1der ShiaoPi Rewok DoYouHas Maverick32x Forumite Gravan strongandbig grush57 Toadesstern Shady Sands Z-BosoN Kreb (Miltonkram) DoYouHas (1) Bill Murray ShiaoPi (0) Maverick32x (0) Shady Sands (0) grush57 (1) DarthPunk Z-BosoN (2) austinmcc BroodKingEXE Not yet voted! (1) Lvdr (mkfuba07) LOL About his cautiousness: I already quoted this but just as an example for this, you'll find multiple posts like the following in his filter: You'll find stuff like that all over his filter. He's always making sure to have a possible retreat when posting and not committing in the slightest. He only really posts when he has to: That's something we rarely see when looking through foru's filter: He's talking about his read after being pressured by me and giving some minor insight on what he thinks is happening. However, why is that only happening after I call him out as mafia? I tell people he's mafia, he instantly gets in the thread and posts something like that when all the time people weren't talking about him he did nothing like that. That my dear friends is scummy as shit As mentioned I don't think he's interested in what's happening. I can't remember a significant post foru did because there was none. He isn't even trying to help. No "shut up guys, here's what's going on: XXXX, Therefore we lynch Y". No pushing his reads to make sure the best possible lynch ends up happening. He's just completly standing by, posting some minor things if he has to but nothing else. Town-Foru would be interested in what's going on. Town-Foru would be pushing his reads. Town-Foru would be actively trying to help town and not just stand by. It's just the same thing as WoF. He was mafia in that game and did apeshit. For some reason he never ended up being lynched although Sandroba and I called him mafia straight from d1 and sadly nothing happened. Let me assure you, Foru would be doing SOMETHING to help if he was town. He isn't. Forumite is mafia Also vote me for mayor Here is the forumite case, not only is it a brutal case based almost solely on meta. Its basically a case that says, trust me noobs I played with him enough to KNOW this is not town Forumite. Everyone sheeps onto forumite, and toad never posts or even cares how the lynch is coming along and how he killed day 3 discussion completely. It shoulda been obviously to a "vet" like himself that this lynch was going to flip green. Also, this mislynch was set up far in advance by Toad saying that there has to be a vet on the scum team and lets lynch down the line. Now its just him and BM on that list left, while the rest were town. Want to keep lynching down that list toad? + Show Spoiler + On September 12 2012 00:47 Toadesstern wrote: The thing about Forumite is that he is as scummy or as not-so-scummy as everyone else, as you just mentioned but unlike everyone else he's not just like everyone else, he's Forumite. You usually don't find mafia-vets by scummyness or something they posted because they don't screw up that badly. Yeah sometimes something weird happens and this game & Matt are the perfect example that these kind of things happen every 10 games or so but in general nothing like that will happen. So what you want to look out for is stuff that is NOT happening. There is no other way to figure out vets. That method isn't working with other people because for it to work you need to know that the guy in question knows what he's doing which is almost never the case unless you're a vet or have been around long enough to be considered decent. In this post, Toad tries to discredit DarthPunks good points, by saying you NEED meta to find vet scum. This is just plain untrue, vets make mistakes occasionally in terms of scum slips, and eventually you ALWAYS can find scum agenda after a couple of days of filter in someones filter if your playing good. He basically is saying trust me everyone I;m right. He says there is no other way to figure out vets. Toad has been brainwashing noobs into sheep all game. On September 14 2012 01:49 Toadesstern wrote: nah sloOsh is not a vet. And I'm including myself. I'm town :3 You're saying but I don't see the problem. Unless of course you just wanted to point out that you don't like that in general and want me to change that attitude in future games no matter of alignment. More IM TOWN, spamming. On September 15 2012 10:06 Toadesstern wrote: Are you mispresenting things on purpose?
More fluff about TOAD BEING SO TOWN EVERYONE SAID IT AND NOW THEY ARE DED OMFG. On September 14 2012 05:33 Toadesstern wrote: On September 14 2012 05:10 Mementoss wrote: On September 14 2012 04:58 Toadesstern wrote: Are you reading the game? Or did you just forget that we had someone claim having a bomb on me? They shot Z-Boson, the guy who claimed Mad hatter who placed a bomb on me to get a free kill (hinthint: I was supposed to be the free kill). Why should they shoot the guy who is supposed to be a free kill on top of having the bomb do the job? Unless of course they didn't believe the claim, which can't be because if that's the case they could have just shot me without having to shoot Z-Boson. Furthermore the kills seemed to be rashly rearranged to fit the changed situation with Z-Boson claiming. I really don't get what you're asking here. Also this is nothing special. I'm awesome at playing mafia yet I'm only an average town-player. Mafia left me alive in *whatever the name was* although I was a modconfirmed town mason in that game. But again, a lot of people are paranoid about me, even if I end up being innocent-child-like confirmed. Not saying it's that strong this game but you've got to be really paranoid to consider me a mafia after what happened yesterday. I usually get shot either n1 or survive until lylo. Pretty much nothing inbetween exists in the history of Toad-games so far. You should put your paranoia somewhere else. Maybe something good will come out of it if you target someone else. Yeah but if you were mafia you would have shot Zboson to make yourself look more townie. You said this DIRECTLY after the mad hatter claim: On September 13 2012 05:30 Toadesstern wrote: I guess that's a fakeclaim to get you killed and test wether or not mafia wants me dead or not? Because from what you post it sounds like you found something that you consider to be a scumslip. If that's the case why don't you just post it? That shouldn't take too long. However, I'm not mafia and therefore you won't find something like that but you're probably getting yourself killed. Have fun being dead and all, unless of course you are mafia YOURSELF, won't shoot yourself tonight (obviously I'd say) and want to play the "see that confirms Toad as mafia. If he was town mafia would have shot me to get 2 kills out of 1KP!" game tomorrow. So I propose this: Trackers go and track Z-Boson. If he's a Mad Hatter as he says he is and he genuinely believes me to be mafia he already has the bomb placed on me (as he just claimed) and therefore doesn't need to visit someone as he doesn't need to change the bomb and can just leave it on me. If that guy visits someone we've got ourselves a mafia :p So you being alive after Mad Hatter claim and boson is dead means nothing to me and should mean nothing to anyone. 1) If your town, mafia shoots ZBoson and hopes to kill you as well 2) If your mafia, you already were confident it was a fakeclaim and killed Zboson to somewhat confirm yourself. The fact that you act as it somewhat confirms you as town anymore than anything else is concerning. acting confident in the thread as mafia and shooting the guy in the balls who claims to have a bomb on you are two very different things. Again, yes I'm a bold mafia player in general but that? Risking everything when I'm totally fine (assuming I'm mafia) with just shooting someone else who did not claim to have a bomb on me? You now know that Z-Boson is town because he flipped town but you think anyone would have considered lynching me after his post? Even if both Boson and I survived I wouldn't even look bad because of that so there's not a single reason for me to take that gamble that could possibly lose my team (still assuming I'm mafia) the game just on the whim that I'm thinking the guy is fakeclaiming. There's just no reason to shoot Boson from a mafia perspective if I am mafia. Not a single one that isn't overshadowed by massive drawbacks even if I considered it to be a fakeclaim while there is a shitton of reasoning for shooting Boson if I'm town. Just stop it, go scumhunt somewhere else. You won't find something at my place. I think this conversation is a good indicator of Toad again trying to convince town that he is confirmed town, and no one should think otherwise or even discuss it. Toad is feeling the pressure at the end of this discussion and says the following: [b]Just stop it, go scumhunt somewhere else. You won't find something at my place. He is misrepresenting the situation which actually was: 1) Toad was very confident it was a fake claim 2) Zboson gets killed by mafia 3) Toad knew it was a fake claim and killed Zboson as a means of confirming himself. Also the Zboson situation AGAIN ends up in Toad not trusting anyones decision making but his own, he asks for watchers and trackers on Zboson at first, and then asks for a vigilante on him. He knows mafia is delivering the KP on Zboson but he just wants to waste a possible vig shot on him and confirm himself all at once. Part 2: Alot of Posts, No Scum-hunting, Inconsistencies: Lets sum up day 1 for toad. He had almost 4 filter pages, do you want to know how this was spent? Shitting up the thread arguing the same obvious points with Ottoxlol all day. He really had no concern of finding scum that day, he just wanted to stir up a shit pot so scum could catch up and scum would be harder to be found in the day 1 connections with Matcchew. Day 2 explains that grush is definitly scum in the case below. But he never even tries to push this case or convince anyone of it, he lets it slide. Town toad would be yelling at everyone to look at his case and take note and vote grush. Scum toad just did it on the basis of making a case. He never mentions grush being mafia again after this day. On September 08 2012 09:18 Toadesstern wrote: Just to explain what I'm talking about when talking about grush: From PTP3: vs this game: On September 04 2012 08:22 grush57 wrote: He's probably just pressuring him. Plus BM has a reputation. Bunch of serious, yet easy to do posts: [spoiler=click me] On September 04 2012 08:26 grush57 wrote: NONONOONONO As town ALWAYS tell town if you got hit/roleblocked unless some weird setup or something. On September 04 2012 09:27 grush57 wrote: Town needs all the information possible. Mafia will already know this information.If it was a blue vigi shot then the blue willl already know and they won't have to tell town without outing themselves. Mafia will know if there were vigi shots because they killed the other people. As if town-grush would ever say something like that. He's trying to look good saying something like that. Town-grush wouldn't even care about something like this. On September 05 2012 05:12 grush57 wrote: Well, looks like Mattchew slipped and all the noobs on his team are now scrambling. So.... ##Vote: Mattchew Miltonkram after this lynch?(Assuming that Mattchew flips scum which he will) Already setting up the next lynch without giving an explanation at all? On September 05 2012 05:16 grush57 wrote: And all of you new players as town you gotta make stances, lists of reads do jack shit. A lot of you are sounding scummy and probably just because you're new, but actually town. nothing, easy to do. Neither does he do that himself nor would town grush care for something like that On September 07 2012 09:31 grush57 wrote: So we're in good shape right now. I'll look through some people's filter tomorrow. as if lol [/spoiler] Buddy-Buddy posts: [spoiler=clicky me] On September 06 2012 09:55 grush57 wrote: Damn BC you're on a roll, though that slip isn't 100% confirmed mafia but adding that with the other bs he said definitely scum. On September 07 2012 07:37 grush57 wrote: [/spoiler]Yea but it's better than just about any other townie. Better than say the vigi going crazy and shooting Toad or something. Last but not least those 2 posts that don't really fit a special topic: On September 08 2012 07:12 grush57 wrote: Kill me it will help the town I promise :D If someone tells me to lynch him the best thing to do usually is to lynch him. It's either trying to be manipulative and trying to appeal for emotions (in which case he's mafia) or he's given the game up (in which case he can be both) or he doesn't care about the game and is going to be anti-town no matter of alignment. I highly lean on the first one though. On September 07 2012 08:48 grush57 wrote: This is hard Town is REALLY active and good this game. Yeah I asked him about that and he answered but I can't stop but get the feeling that was supposed to be a post for a mafia QT lol. tl;dr So yeah I feel quite strongly about grush. He's hard to judge because he really doesn't seem to care about games and play anti-town no matter of alignment but that guy got to die. Toad town also VOTES who he feels strongly again. Toad doesn't drop the vote here even though he is sure grush is scum. After this full case, BKE comes in with the claim, Toad sees the oppotunity to jump on the easy bus and kill a blue in one shot so he goes for it. He doesn't build a case on BKE he uses the claim alone as the sole reason for voting. After a good amount of votes are on BKE, and the lynch seems secure, Toad goes back to grush. Toad doesn't even try to convince people to get off the BKE wagon. And again he never tries to push or vote grush again as a candidate in day 3 or day 4. On September 11 2012 01:21 Toadesstern wrote: Let's be honest here: I think if we lynch into one of either Forumite, S&B, BM or Z-Boson we're going to hit "not-townie" all the way. That's the reason I didn't want to talk about S&B because I suspected him to be an Assassin (you're welcome \o/ ). If BM is Mafia Foru's got to be an Assassin (again, you're welcome \o/ ) and isn't actually mafia himself. Foru basicly claimed he's playing cautious on purpose so that fits the Assassin as well. Z-Boson and BM have some weird connection this day. I really don't like how Boson gets in here telling people BM is confirmed because of the blue thing, on top of that he instantly finds another breadcrumb BM apparently did and the knowledge BM had about austin is supposed to make him somehow town when there's no way mafia would have shot a vig n1, even if they knew about one. So if you take them all apart I'd be all up for lynching Forumite today. If we're considering them as a whole I'd rather lynch Z-Boson. Grush not here? Hmmm Toad always switching around who he wants lynched and who is scummy very inconsistent. Additioanlly, toad said this himself as scum he likes to put scum into these lists that have no basis. On September 14 2012 07:10 Toadesstern wrote: On September 14 2012 07:03 Mementoss wrote: Don't mafia usually try to at least list one fellow team mate in these things lol. Yeah. I'm usually telling people to make it somewhat of an 1/3 mafia + 2/3 town mix when coaching or talking with people in QTs when I'm mafia myself. Obviously depends on the situation but I'd highly doubt there's no mafia in that list. Onto day 4, this is how Toad starts the day, after Day 3 discussion ebing SHIT and town in a really bad spot. [B]On September 13 2012 22:46 Toadesstern wrote: voting for Mementoss to get lynched seems like a good plan for today. Thoughts? Also, he doesn't even try the whole day despite being there for quiet a while. He just is waiting for the cases to be brought up to agree with. Goes from me, to Mav gravan shady sands, to just grav and shady sands. He is basically asking people at this point who is the best lynch. Compare this to his day1-day3 play. Hes happy to sit back and let the mislynch happen. Also, why didn't he push his grush case again, nothing changed with grush. If you read through Toads filter you will realize most of it is nonsense. Setup talk, or just huge fluffy posts, or directly blues. Very little though about finding scum, or pressuring players into slipping ever occurs. Very lazy play from him, while trying to appear town. All the rest of the stuff about the fake claim right when he feels the pressure and the defending on SnB is just icing on the scum cake. | ||
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How the kills went down: BC was killed by GK submitting mafia KP BM24 was killed by mafia KP GK was killed by suiciding into sloosh. Austin shot into Ottox I know it doesnt have much basis but I can't see how sloosh and Toad are still alive. Slooshes play on SnB makes me think he is 100% not mafia. But there is a good chance if he doesn't die tonight he is assassian and scum knows this because they already tried to kill him night 1. Also I completely expect to die tonight. I only posted on toad because I think he is scummier but a lot of shit Shady has done has been super scummy. So talk it through and keep active, don't forget to look into all the lurky players that werent on the SnB wagon. Looking at these players alive: grush57 mementoss slOosh Gravan Toadesstern Bill Murray DarthPunk Maverick32x ShiaoPi imallinson Shady Sands Rewok Kreb Hopeless1der I dont think it makes sense for anyone to be killed other than Mementoss, Slo0sh, and maybe Kreb. Hopefully there is only 2 mafia left, if we can get 1 more we half there KP and almost guarentee the win. | ||
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I am the Tracker. I waited just before the deadline to counterclaim toad just in order to not give scum the chance to snipe me tonight. I highly doubt that we have 2 trackers and a watcher in this setup so I believe Toad to be a fakeclaiming scum (next to the question on why he is still alive etc.) I checked in the following order, added my breadcrumb to each of the checks: -Hapahauli, Crumb, which I messed up with poor formating >_>: + Show Spoiler + On September 06 2012 11:23 ShiaoPi wrote: EBWOP: I just woke up and read through. Matt flipped red as everyone (bar Ottox) expected, so I'll be talking about him first. To be honest I thought for a while that Ottoxlol is just bad townie, but having caught up with the thread, naaah he is like 99% red. Hopefully a vig shoots him tonight, so he's gone. Also Gravan has finally done some contribution beyond Mattchew stuff, but I am not impressed at all. It feels like it was a case for sake of writing a case on somebody to get off some pressure which has started on you. He should either be a town kill at night or lynched tomorrow if it stays this way with all the points in thread already. Ending the post with some comments on the cases we got this night so far. DYH brought up Hopeless1der as a candidate. Reading Hopeless' filter there is some merit to DYH's accusation, but I am not entirely sold on him being scum. Hapa also brought out quite a switch from DrH/Blackmamba in opinion so I am interested in hearing his answer to it as well. Looked a lot like his town play though so maybe he got some good explanation for it. Also shouldn't lvdr be modkilled by now? no posts at all. I tracked hapa, because I was unsure about his alignment and with him being one of the more vocal guys in the thread with quite some influence on town, I chose to give it a check. It returned (not surprsingly now in hindsight) that he did not go anywhere. -maverick, Crumb:+ Show Spoiler + On September 09 2012 09:58 ShiaoPi wrote: Dafuq BKE, mislynched him two games now Might not have too much time for this night phase but I'll try to keep track of some ppl, especially mav I had a scumread on mav, tracked him got the result that he did not go anywhere, pretty sure he is town right now, based on mindlessly tunneling me etc. -BM, Crumb: + Show Spoiler + On September 12 2012 09:50 ShiaoPi wrote: @sloosh: I had him pegged as scum the day before ( even pulled out half a case), but his last post is feeling a lot like being a stupid townie. Not completely exonerating him, but lessened my suspicions. I would be concerned with toad, simply because he is still alive ( could change this night anyway) and also of bm it is hard enough to follow his train of thought, but lynching him always seems to end in coin flip cause of his trolling. Unsure about whom to lynch next day The Check on BM was kind of a gamble, I know that he is totally unreadable and I hoped that I might catch a "red" check on him, alas result was that he did not go anywhere so I am still unsure on him, but have less suspicions now on him. These checks should be enough to explain my townread on hapa, my sudden switch on mav and my unwillingness to lynch BM for coinflipping. Hopefully my crumbs are able to convince you that I really am the tracker. And I will be checking Toad tonight, so if I survive we should hopefully get some good results out of it. Here is the breadcrumb btw: + Show Spoiler + On September 15 2012 17:01 ShiaoPi wrote: Well that was quite a pleasant surprise to catch up to with the lynch on snB. Good job, sorry for sleeping while the switch happened :D Looking through SnB's filter there are several things to mention imo: -discussion/buddying with Toad --> I don't really know about what to make of the interactions between the two of them and Toads claim, I would agree with Mementoss that we should just judge him based on the filter pre-claim, if toad survives yet another night, we really have to keep track of him.... -pushing mav repeatedly --> My townread on mav is getting much stronger because of it -slight suspicions on sloosh --> coupled together with the way the lynch happened, it is pretty safe to assume that sloosh is town aligned. Besides Toad we should also look at Shady, he looks terrible, his recent surge in activity does feel like his townie meta though, but still he is up there in my lynchlist. There is someone looking even worse though in my opinion, Rewok has done nothing besides the stupid list at the beginning， also his vote on Gravan came at the beginning of the SnB switch, but he neither comments it or switches with the others. As SnB flipped red this looks incredibly scummy to me. So what I am saying is that come the day we should lynch into one of Rewok, Shady or Toad, I am pretty sure we will hit red within these three. Also of note is the "coincidence" that all the people Toad visited are now dead, so he cannot be wrong on their alignments..... I also call bullshit on his claim that GK was vigged, just take a look at the post of Mementoss earlier with the N1-Breakdown. So, what do we do as soon as day starts? Vote Toad, Lynch Toad, laugh about his red flip! I'll stick around for shortly after the deadline now and then go back to sleep >_> | ||
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slOosh
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Also just noticed Mementoss' huge case. Unfortunately I won't have time to read thoroughly and comment before deadline (don't think there are any medics so I'm sure I'm going out this cycle) but I agree with the general points presented. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Apparently the chances are not good because people thought I'm mafia once I started to derail the thread on purpose so town won't win by a rockslide after the n1 disaster :p Anyways, had to take my chances and I shot Graven. Let's hope I get an bullseye :p | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On September 16 2012 07:00 Toadesstern wrote: Btw I obviously lied about the tracker but needed to claim something to figure out wether or not I can get better chances and one more cycle or not, that's why I claimed at night. Apparently the chances are not good because people thought I'm mafia once I started to derail the thread on purpose so town won't win by a rockslide after the n1 disaster :p Anyways, had to take my chances and I shot Graven. Let's hope I get an bullseye :p watindafuq | ||
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Quatol
Burkina Faso57 Posts
Day 5 ![[image loading]](http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/008/701/Lady-Gaga222.jpg){kind=icon} In honour of Palmar Haha! Deaths all around! Something terrible happened this fateful night. The town had gone home to their wives and husbands, and some of them had gone mad! Gravan, Maverick32x, and Mementoss were all shot up the bottom by angry spouses. Jeez, what a way to go. Meanwhile, slOosh was in his element. His careful sleuthing work had uncovered the information he needed. For shits and giggles he'd helped town the day before, but now he was out of this hellhole and back to Coruscant, because, well, why not. He strode purposefully down the alley to meet his victim. "But... but... you're not a vet!" exclaimed Toadesstern. "Why the fuck are you speculating on how hosts setup their game, you douchebag?" slOosh replied. "And, further, why do you count s&b as a vet and not me when I've been around twice as long as him?" Toadesstern was speechless. Only now did he realise his great folly. slOosh laughed and pulled out his golden gun. "For your foolishness you will now pay!" And with that, his magic bullet made its way in slow motion into the center of Toadesstern's heart, and he was no more. Gravan, vanilla Townie, was killed! Maverick32x, vanilla Townie, was killed! Mementoss, vanilla Townie, was killed! Toadesstern, Assassin, was slain sarcastically! slOosh, Assassin, revelled in his glorious victory and abandoned town to its own devices, embarking on the Executor back to his home planet! It is now Day 5. You have a little under 48 hours to decide the next lynch. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
GL town take it home! | ||
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