TL Mafia LVII - Page 102

On September 14 2012 09:00 Maverick32x wrote:
Read through the case on me-

There is a LOT of tunneling going on.... Also why are people STILL bringing up Matt?? My 'soft defense' occurred prior to any confirmation that he was lying... once that was confirmed.. I switched. Simple enough.

As for my "blaming the lurkers is an easy strategy"- There is something unique about those top 3 that I find is different than just 'lurking'.... there is something about the frequency of posts and the disappearance of them.... I know thats not the concrete answer you guys want, so I'll try to get some 'science' to back that feeling up.

Voting me is a mistake. I am a plain boring vanilla town.

I just really can't understand how ShiaoPi is not scum to more people? Okay, his 'timezone' presents as an issue to discussion.... and I'll even move past the lurking to be more specific in his posts.




Lets bring it ALL the way back...
He is backing up Matt's encouragement for others to claim. How is this LESS scummy than me soft defending someone who I didn't know I was lying?




Right, Rewok's decision to do this sucks. Doesn't seem like Rewok and him are connected based off that post. I highlight this post mainly due to the relationship that is seen here.






Both of these posts were made prior to Ottox's (town) death. ALSO, His statement of Ottox (town), Goodkarama(scum) and Milton (personally I think town) are leaning scum... but he 'excuses' Ottox.... LIKELY because he knows that Ottox is on the chopping block. Also, as pointed out previously, it is typical for scum to post a list, and sprinkle in scum buddies.




Comments made about his lack of meta- these are covered up by "Internet problems" However, observations made about his meta.




Him and lvdr are likely not connected- again, just another relationship point. Also, Hapa becomes his new target at this point. Similar to Ottox, he starts to pick up speed on targeting him.

-He goes into a string of 1 liners at this point- likely due to my confrontation with him.-

But then Hapa makes a decent post attacking him.

On September 09 2012 12:44 Hapahauli wrote:
1) ShiaoPi has a reasonably active town-meta. ShiaoPi has no scum meta.
2) ShiaoPi is hardcore lurking this game, "internet issues" cited, but were not mentioned pre-game (odd, considering severity). His activity is very different from his 6 town games.

He certainly hasn't posted anything that makes me think he's town. Some other newer players have posts that show effort, but ShiaoPi has shown none. As far as I'm concerned, the above makes him scummy. If he'd like to defend himself and convince me otherwise, he should take the opportunity to do so.

Should I hold your hand too, or will that suffice?



I don't want to post the WHOLE quote from Shiao- you can look it up, but again with an excuse of internet problems and a post pretty much just defending himself from Hapa who attacks him pretty hard....



Similar with Ottox- ShiaoPi decides to absolve Hapa and declare him TOWN.

oh ya... Hapa dies that night..... .... .... .....

Seems similar to the Ottox? Ottox attacks him.. Dies... Hapa attacks him... Dies...

Something tells me this is more than just a bad feeling....

Get your votes off me you dummies.

Vote Scum. Vote ShiaoPi.

MAVERICK OUT!

On September 14 2012 09:32 Maverick32x wrote:
I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but sure... let me eat dinner...

@Shiao- What? Your internet is working for the next 10 minutes magically after I post?? Sweeeet.

On September 11 2012 04:07 Rewok wrote:
I've been wrong every time I voted on my own instinct and right the time I followed Toade so my vote is for Forumite.

##vote: Forumite

On September 14 2012 09:21 ShiaoPi wrote:
Good morning everyone, what is better than to have the day start with mav spewing non sense yet again?

first quote you got is a blatant misinterpretation done from your side.
BKE was asking possible nosy neighbours who might be self-aware (not possible as we know now) to not claim until they get checked. Which is dumb as that would then be also a freebie for scum to make that claim.

Next up you obviously do not read the thread carefully...Milton is replaced by now with Kreb. So you are leaning town on a non-existant player? Well done!

In regards to meta I answered it more than once, if you do not want to believe my explanations, fine, whatever.
Your other points seem to be shitton of WIFOM in scum-motives for the nighthits...

I am really unsure what the fuck you are on to see these posts + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +

as attacks...he is just mentioning me as one of the lurkers, nothing exciting or new.

In regards to hapa, well I had a (Correct) townread on him, he gets killed and I am to blame? Just because he attacked me?

Why am I even answering you....it's kind of obvious that you are in tunnel-land, unlikely to ever come back and that you are reading everything with a ridiculous confirmation bias...

On September 05 2012 05:41 Gravan wrote:
This post is passive and is just here to give you guys some information about me.

I am reading through all the filters and will be making a real contributive post sometime soon. I haven't been keeping up with this thread as well as I ought to have. For some reason, I can't seem to access the voting link from my phone - I am trying to work out when the vote is due, but I will be submitting one in a few hours after reading and pondering, once I get back to my computer. I hope I am not missing a deadline because I really would not like to be modkilled so early on.

I am done traveling after today, so I will be properly active very shortly. Sorry for lurking and not contributing.

Again, sorry for the spam, hello and expect to start hearing from me.

On September 05 2012 09:38 Gravan wrote:
First, the straightforward part. It seems to me that Matt is most likely an assassin, or a very careless player.

As many have said before me, there is no case for him to do what he did from a town perspective. To me, it seems that if he were mafia or town, we would likely have seen at least some kind of attempt at an explanation - either to strengthen his fellow mafia by giving them 'towncred' as they jump on his bandwagon or to try to convince us we are making a mistake as a town blue. As an assassin, he could just be seeing his end and giving up - this is of course moot if he decides to put in his piece later.

Since he is apparently not a random newbie (who is a random newb, anyway ?), and clearly likes to be an active player, it shouts assasinto me.

Since it is day 1 and we only have so much information, we essentially have to lynch him anyway (even if we were nearly certain he is an assassin. At this time, I'll be throwing my vote his way.

The post where I make my comments on the information currently present (as in, not to do with the matt bandwagon) is coming up later. I just wanted to put down somehing somewhat solid so thanI can start to develop a post hostory, watery as it might be.

On September 05 2012 13:30 Gravan wrote:



This is my fault for wording this sentence poorly. Although I am still leaning towards Matt being an assassin, he certainly looks all kinds of scummy as well. There isn't enough information at this point to lynch someone else - this lynch will, at worst, be neutral. I feel that, unless someone who has better evidence against them comes up (unlikely) we are better off to make this lynch and gain the information (Matt's flip) than sit idle. I am just asserting that I personally think he is an assassin. I'm done on the whole Matt issue now; still working on making my posts more constructive and less parrot-y.

If Matt flips scum, Ottox and Toad really need to be looked at. Ottox has been making his bizarre crusade about the potential innocence of Matt, as everyone knows. To me, Toad's last few posts have seemed a little aimless and very personally aggressive with little content. He spends a considerable amount of time shutting down and pointing at Ottox (who is looking obviously scummy or very misguided) in a well written post, then shifts to personal attacks and negligent remarks.

Sleep time for me now; I'll actually have some rest by tomorrow and won't be travelling.

On September 06 2012 10:16 Gravan wrote:
I think Bill Murray is scum.




This is the first time he mentions me. At this point, he hasn't put forward any kind of read on me at all. In addition, many of his posts up until this point (not to mention quite a few afterward) are pointless one-liners, or just generally non-contributing.

The next thing he does is tell austin to read my filter as if I was scum (again, not argument put forward on his part - he is talking as if me being scum is a forgone conclusion).

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Then he goes on to say that hap is on his scumlist for "coaching" me.
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Afterwards, he includes doyouhas in this list. + Show Spoiler +

His next two posts that mention me go on to mention (offhandedly) the apparently obvious need to have me shot by a vig.

Further, if you read his filter he is very non-comittal on the otto-defending-matt-and-generally-acting-scummy issue. His posts are passively worded and just softly agree with the flow of the thread at the time.

On September 06 2012 10:39 Gravan wrote:



First off, while I understand a player's meta is something to consider, I really have no idea what you are talking about with respect to how Bill plays or whoever this chezinu is.

I included at least three examples. See those quotes/spoilers? All of them include quotes from Bill Murray.

As to being rushed, well, I am just trying to not lurk. Apparently that is a bad thing to do - working on putting my thoughts out there and trying to stimulate discussion.

On September 09 2012 01:02 Gravan wrote:


I would actually like to hear what you suspect happened on N1 - who did what, from your point of view. What was the scenario?

Also, unless I am missing it, did you actually make any kind of case against Shady?

On September 09 2012 01:50 Gravan wrote:
I still have reservations about this switch. According to what I can gather from this thread, Grush always acts like an idiot. This gets him mislynched often. We're lynching him, instead of BKE (who, until his meager roleclaim and sudden throwing out of cases) was under intense suspicion and getting wagon'd.

So far as I can tell, the logic goes roughly as follows:

BKE is very suspicious, but his blue claim isn't out of the question.
Lynching a blue would be very detrimental to the town.

Grush is suspicious (alternatively idiotic and anti-town, depending on who is talking) and non-contributive besides.
Lynching Grush is, at worse, a mislynch (we won't miss his discussions as a townie) and at best a mafia lynch.

This is all just a little sudden for me. What happened to those strong suspicions regarding BKE's earlier flip-flopping? Can one of you vote-switchers explain to me how that behaviour is now negated/lessened because of his role-claim?

On September 10 2012 03:52 Gravan wrote:
There is a lot of "in this game x player played like this" or, "y is a veteran, therefore the following is probable...". While I think these are fine as supporting arguments (since past tendencies/experience are relevant things to consider) I feel like all this talk of veterans and meta play is clouding and overtaking what people have actually said and how people have actually been playing.

It could be a mafia tactic to draw away from the discussion, or it could just be a little too much focus on outside/less relevant factors, but either way I encourage everyone to focus more on filters from this game and less on filters from other games.

Also:



I do get the feeling (as I implied/made light of earlier) that Hopeless' claim was a little too absolute. I would like to hear a little more of Hopeless so that I can get a bit more of a read on him - especially since his favourite target (forumite) is in the spotlight/sights right now.

On September 12 2012 05:48 Gravan wrote:



This kind of posts only strengthens the need to vote for you, in my mind. Down to the wire, all you are doing is pointing as many fingers as you can, as aggressively as you can (in big red letters, hehe), with the bare minimum amount of evidence or effort. It seems desperate instead of simply defensive.

Why not try to clear your name and answer the accusations about yourself as best you can in an attempt to lift votes off you (no matter how futile, at this late hour)? Hopeless (the first person in the game to point a serious finger at you) has even given you this opportunity on a silver platter. Yet, all you continue to do is dodge and slip around, shouting at other people and being selective in your question answering and case-making.

On September 14 2012 13:00 slOosh wrote:
For Rewok it's looking a lot like Graven. It's his first game and he does show uncertainty at the earlier stages. My feeling is that he is overwhelmed by the unnatural amount of things in this game (flipping scum N1, getting multiple washout mislynches , people like Grush and BM getting ignored) that he has just given up and fallen back on sheeping, which is a very understandable thing for a lost townie to do.

SnB and Toad are not as easily excused as they have many games under their belt and are capable of so much more, and yet are completely apathetic and are not contributing to finding and lynching scum.

On September 14 2012 13:00 slOosh wrote:
For Rewok it's looking a lot like Graven. It's his first game and he does show uncertainty at the earlier stages. My feeling is that he is overwhelmed by the unnatural amount of things in this game (flipping scum N1, getting multiple washout mislynches , people like Grush and BM getting ignored) that he has just given up and fallen back on sheeping, which is a very understandable thing for a lost townie to do.

SnB and Toad are not as easily excused as they have many games under their belt and are capable of so much more, and yet are completely apathetic and are not contributing to finding and lynching scum.