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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 14 2012 11:23 GMT
#2061
I wish we could get a read on Mementoss, after I iso'ed him... OH WAIT, he was actively lurking, and spazzed. I mean, I had to actually go to Mementoss's page to iso him... he's not bolded on the player list
w/e, he's Blue or Scum. I guess he could be an assassin, if they're in the game.

My original suspicion of MiltonKram, coupled with Kreb's flipflop in his reads, and pushing policy lynches?
Scum. Active scum, too, who is worried about his town image.
However, I'm not going to do this:

##VOTE: KREBS

[/QUOTE]
j00 wanna know why, yiddle goil? Come here, an' let Uncle Bill tell you story. You see, back in Old Country, man once say "it's not what you know, it's how many you can get drink Vodka with you"
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 14 2012 11:25 GMT
#2062
LOL @ SS reaction to me saying Grav is blue
SS Knows I'm good at picking blues (with the vigilante callout on Austin) so he is trying to use me to decipher who he should nightkill. SS is totally scum. Nice rolefishing.

Rolefishing, + pushing my posts off the page ... I snagged the top post of the page for town, though, so it's all good. Plus I got a little humor out of it with that Krebs-vote-psycheout.

HEre is someone I've been wanting to lynch all game: ShadySands. I've voted him multiple times, it feels like, and he is completely, and obtusely against any semblance of confirmation. He has spoken out against me... BUT ASKS WHY I THINK GRAVAN IS BLUE... RESPECTING ME... and he has spoken out against Toad, who appears town to me.

his buddies are Darth Punk, Sloosh, Krebs
##Vote: Shady Sands

University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 14 2012 11:27 GMT
#2063
Forgot Gravan voted him. That makes two votes on SS, who is going to be flipping red, and bleeding it on our shoes, after we guillotine his neck into tiny little bits.

viva le resistance! down with the mafia!
all my men, come together! around me!
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 14 2012 11:31 GMT
#2064
On September 14 2012 20:25 Bill Murray wrote:
LOL @ SS reaction to me saying Grav is blue
SS Knows I'm good at picking blues (with the vigilante callout on Austin) so he is trying to use me to decipher who he should nightkill. SS is totally scum. Nice rolefishing.

Rolefishing, + pushing my posts off the page ... I snagged the top post of the page for town, though, so it's all good. Plus I got a little humor out of it with that Krebs-vote-psycheout.

HEre is someone I've been wanting to lynch all game: ShadySands. I've voted him multiple times, it feels like, and he is completely, and obtusely against any semblance of confirmation. He has spoken out against me... BUT ASKS WHY I THINK GRAVAN IS BLUE... RESPECTING ME... and he has spoken out against Toad, who appears town to me.

his buddies are Darth Punk, Sloosh, Krebs
##Vote: Shady Sands


First off, I don't know you're good at picking blues. I've never played with you. Second, how does me asking you why you think Grav is blue relate to whether I would shoot him if I was scum? Wouldn't I just be interested in knowing that Grav was blue, without wondering why you thought of him as scum?

So I ask again. Why do you think Grav is blue? I don't want to do a BKE mislynch, of course, but right now nothing he's done suggests to me he is a blue.

Instead, how about you spend some of your time looking at Grav, and seeing how you can construe his actions as anything but scummy?
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 14 2012 11:34 GMT
#2065
On September 14 2012 20:27 Bill Murray wrote:
Forgot Gravan voted him. That makes two votes on SS, who is going to be flipping red, and bleeding it on our shoes, after we guillotine his neck into tiny little bits.

viva le resistance! down with the mafia!
all my men, come together! around me!

BM, if you're town, you're doing a piss-poor job of actually scumhunting right now. All you've done over the past two pages is troll people and flip your reactions around like crazy, making yourself basically unreadable.

Scum don't need to read you to know whether you're town or not. Town does need to read you to know whether you are town or not. So shape up your posting.
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 14 2012 11:57 GMT
#2066
Looool. As soon as I tell BM that his trolling his helping scum, he immediately switches to lurking.
Что?
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 14 2012 12:01 GMT
#2067
lurking? I'm posting in other threads, because the only person active is you... as scum
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Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 14 2012 12:03 GMT
#2068
ShadySands, you're spamming even more than me, so don't tell me to shape up my posting
The difference is I called you out on it first, so you're parroting. Add that to flipflopping, plus your spam being strategical in natural (whereas mine is meta as town), and you're facing a solid case

Shady, you know why I'm voting you; you're scum.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 14 2012 12:04 GMT
#2069
On September 14 2012 20:31 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 20:25 Bill Murray wrote:
LOL @ SS reaction to me saying Grav is blue
SS Knows I'm good at picking blues (with the vigilante callout on Austin) so he is trying to use me to decipher who he should nightkill. SS is totally scum. Nice rolefishing.

Rolefishing, + pushing my posts off the page ... I snagged the top post of the page for town, though, so it's all good. Plus I got a little humor out of it with that Krebs-vote-psycheout.

HEre is someone I've been wanting to lynch all game: ShadySands. I've voted him multiple times, it feels like, and he is completely, and obtusely against any semblance of confirmation. He has spoken out against me... BUT ASKS WHY I THINK GRAVAN IS BLUE... RESPECTING ME... and he has spoken out against Toad, who appears town to me.

his buddies are Darth Punk, Sloosh, Krebs
##Vote: Shady Sands


First off, I don't know you're good at picking blues. I've never played with you. Second, how does me asking you why you think Grav is blue relate to whether I would shoot him if I was scum? Wouldn't I just be interested in knowing that Grav was blue, without wondering why you thought of him as scum?

So I ask again. Why do you think Grav is blue? I don't want to do a BKE mislynch, of course, but right now nothing he's done suggests to me he is a blue.

Instead, how about you spend some of your time looking at Grav, and seeing how you can construe his actions as anything but scummy?

My only answer is, as town ... which I guess there is a farfetched chance you are... you need to not rolefish. It makes you look like scum, which is why my vote is on you. I haven't felt this strongly about a vote since I was voting Mattchew for slipping.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 14 2012 12:10 GMT
#2070
On September 14 2012 21:04 Bill Murray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 20:31 Shady Sands wrote:
On September 14 2012 20:25 Bill Murray wrote:
LOL @ SS reaction to me saying Grav is blue
SS Knows I'm good at picking blues (with the vigilante callout on Austin) so he is trying to use me to decipher who he should nightkill. SS is totally scum. Nice rolefishing.

Rolefishing, + pushing my posts off the page ... I snagged the top post of the page for town, though, so it's all good. Plus I got a little humor out of it with that Krebs-vote-psycheout.

HEre is someone I've been wanting to lynch all game: ShadySands. I've voted him multiple times, it feels like, and he is completely, and obtusely against any semblance of confirmation. He has spoken out against me... BUT ASKS WHY I THINK GRAVAN IS BLUE... RESPECTING ME... and he has spoken out against Toad, who appears town to me.

his buddies are Darth Punk, Sloosh, Krebs
##Vote: Shady Sands


First off, I don't know you're good at picking blues. I've never played with you. Second, how does me asking you why you think Grav is blue relate to whether I would shoot him if I was scum? Wouldn't I just be interested in knowing that Grav was blue, without wondering why you thought of him as scum?

So I ask again. Why do you think Grav is blue? I don't want to do a BKE mislynch, of course, but right now nothing he's done suggests to me he is a blue.

Instead, how about you spend some of your time looking at Grav, and seeing how you can construe his actions as anything but scummy?

My only answer is, as town ... which I guess there is a farfetched chance you are... you need to not rolefish. It makes you look like scum, which is why my vote is on you. I haven't felt this strongly about a vote since I was voting Mattchew for slipping.

Well I'm not rolefishing Grav, if that's what you're concerned about. I'm dead certain he's scum and I'm trying to convince you. However, so far your justification for not voting him simply consists of "he's blue". That's why I'm asking you why you think he's blue.
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 14 2012 12:11 GMT
#2071
On September 14 2012 21:03 Bill Murray wrote:
ShadySands, you're spamming even more than me, so don't tell me to shape up my posting
The difference is I called you out on it first, so you're parroting. Add that to flipflopping, plus your spam being strategical in natural (whereas mine is meta as town), and you're facing a solid case

Shady, you know why I'm voting you; you're scum.

I'm not critiquing you for spamming, I'm critiquing you for trolling. There's a difference. Trolling is when you post with no intent of seriousness. It's what you and GRush have been doing all game. It makes you unreadable. That's anti-town.
Что?
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 14 2012 12:16 GMT
#2072
I am being fucking serious. You're hanging.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 14 2012 12:16 GMT
#2073
I don't troll. You rolefished. You failed my RXN test
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 14 2012 12:20 GMT
#2074
On September 14 2012 21:16 Bill Murray wrote:
I don't troll. You rolefished. You failed my RXN test

RXN? And let's not detract from the original question:

Why do you think Grav is blue?

or better yet

Why do you think Grav is not scum?
Что?
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 14 2012 12:28 GMT
#2075
you mean your rolefishing, one of my 3-4 reasons for voting you? like where you failed the reaction by posting that? i don't know he's blue. I was seeing if you would rolefish. you did. get over it.
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 14 2012 12:29 GMT
#2076
On September 14 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote:
Guhh ... why do you guys wait until now to play properly?

What Maverick did just now was a very very town thing. Feigning activity and making cases is easy. Calling the runner up lynch candidate town when you have the most votes is not. The only motivation to do that is that you are town, and you think this person is town. You can see that he doesn't value his specific survival over the town's interests. His case really shows his thinking process and also clarifies past contradictions (e.g. he left out Graven from his scum reads) - consistency like this is hard to setup as scum.

Gravan ... it's really weird with him. As Maverick points out he is playing consistently (regardless of quality). I remember thinking he was newbie town making lots of mistakes, and it could be he is scummy because of this. Also strange is the nature of the maverick counter wagon. Still thinking this one through.

ShiaoPi: his treatment of Mav is townish. Timezones are timezones. Select stuff in his filter make me think he is town and explain his actions but will not divulge unless there is a large enough body of evidence against him.


This leaves me with two people:
SnB has not cared at all about the past two lynches. You can see from his filter that he jumps on the Forumite lynch with little to contribute while also discrediting Rewok. He jumps on the maverick lynch with little to add and also makes sure people know that everyone could be scum ("MMT made the case on Mav but you never know maybe he is scum"). His latest posts are pure setup speculation. He treats Toad very strangely - I'm not sure if he thinks Toad might be scum and hunting for reactions or he is pretending to engage in meaningful conversation.

Toad is someone who has flared up upon a proper reread of the Z-Boson mad hatter business. I originally thought him town after our little spat at the start of the game. However if you reread his filter carefully, you will notice that he uses "vet balance" to get Forumite lynched, but after that he says "oh I guess I was wrong, oh well". He seemed to taunt Z-boson near deadline and called for vig shots on him even if he was town because he would die anyway. I know I said mafia wouldn't kill a potential mad hatter but I forgot that there is a very good chance of a roleblocker in the game, as we still don't know about austin's 2nd shot. I find the explanations for his dismissal of SnB and BM to be beyond just strange, as he is ignoring possible scum on raw setup speculation.


Thoughts please, we need to get this lynch right.

dude, that's totally not working if I announced it yesterday
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 14 2012 12:40 GMT
#2077
On September 14 2012 21:28 Bill Murray wrote:
you mean your rolefishing, one of my 3-4 reasons for voting you? like where you failed the reaction by posting that? i don't know he's blue. I was seeing if you would rolefish. you did. get over it.

You're dodging my question. You said Gravan was town and blue. So:

Why do you think Gravan is blue? AKA Why do you think he is not town?
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 14 2012 12:41 GMT
#2078
On September 14 2012 21:29 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 12:14 slOosh wrote:
Guhh ... why do you guys wait until now to play properly?

What Maverick did just now was a very very town thing. Feigning activity and making cases is easy. Calling the runner up lynch candidate town when you have the most votes is not. The only motivation to do that is that you are town, and you think this person is town. You can see that he doesn't value his specific survival over the town's interests. His case really shows his thinking process and also clarifies past contradictions (e.g. he left out Graven from his scum reads) - consistency like this is hard to setup as scum.

Gravan ... it's really weird with him. As Maverick points out he is playing consistently (regardless of quality). I remember thinking he was newbie town making lots of mistakes, and it could be he is scummy because of this. Also strange is the nature of the maverick counter wagon. Still thinking this one through.

ShiaoPi: his treatment of Mav is townish. Timezones are timezones. Select stuff in his filter make me think he is town and explain his actions but will not divulge unless there is a large enough body of evidence against him.


This leaves me with two people:
SnB has not cared at all about the past two lynches. You can see from his filter that he jumps on the Forumite lynch with little to contribute while also discrediting Rewok. He jumps on the maverick lynch with little to add and also makes sure people know that everyone could be scum ("MMT made the case on Mav but you never know maybe he is scum"). His latest posts are pure setup speculation. He treats Toad very strangely - I'm not sure if he thinks Toad might be scum and hunting for reactions or he is pretending to engage in meaningful conversation.

Toad is someone who has flared up upon a proper reread of the Z-Boson mad hatter business. I originally thought him town after our little spat at the start of the game. However if you reread his filter carefully, you will notice that he uses "vet balance" to get Forumite lynched, but after that he says "oh I guess I was wrong, oh well". He seemed to taunt Z-boson near deadline and called for vig shots on him even if he was town because he would die anyway. I know I said mafia wouldn't kill a potential mad hatter but I forgot that there is a very good chance of a roleblocker in the game, as we still don't know about austin's 2nd shot. I find the explanations for his dismissal of SnB and BM to be beyond just strange, as he is ignoring possible scum on raw setup speculation.


Thoughts please, we need to get this lynch right.

dude, that's totally not working if I announced it yesterday

Toad, read over the recent debate between BM and I. BM says Gravan is town and blue; when I ask him why, he accuses me of rolefishing.
Что?
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
September 14 2012 12:43 GMT
#2079
On September 14 2012 21:40 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2012 21:28 Bill Murray wrote:
you mean your rolefishing, one of my 3-4 reasons for voting you? like where you failed the reaction by posting that? i don't know he's blue. I was seeing if you would rolefish. you did. get over it.

You're dodging my question. You said Gravan was town and blue. So:

Why do you think Gravan is blue? AKA Why do you think he is not town?

^he just megaslipped here
he's scum and bluefishing. he just said "blue" means "not town" LOL
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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 14 2012 12:46 GMT
#2080
I read it and he's right you are.
I doubt you'd be rolefishing so openly as mafia though.

Obviously a mafia would want to know whether the townie (assuming you are mafia and BM is town) is right or just found some bullshit to figure out if a kill is on *supposed to be blue* is needed or good. I'd say a mafia is going to read the filter or tell his buddies about it so that they read it (because people are lazy).
Townies sadly end up rolefishing quite a lot in games because they think that will somehow improve their reads on someone or they think that everything somehow makes sense once you figured that out.
So I'm not giving to much into you rolefishing although you are.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
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