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On August 22 2012 19:57 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 18:36 Djagulingu wrote:On August 22 2012 18:22 Palmar wrote:
Alright. I kind of liked your analysis on my play because you seem to be at least applying the thoughts required to scumhunt successfully, not jumping to a conclusion while still not being afraid to take a stance.
I'm working on this project where I try to order the people in the game from the least scummy to the most scummy I'd like some input on where and why people should place. Are you familiar with the meta of any of these players? I don't know half the people in this game.
I'm a little bit familiar with how shady plays. He lurked to the death as scum in Newbie MM 23 (which was his first game as far as I know), was pretty active and attended the scumhunt pretty well in 24 up until he got lynched at the end of day1. Meta analysis suggests that this Shady we have seen up to now is more like the scum one in Newbie MM 23. However (I don't know how big of a factor this is but) he could be a lot less easygoing in his first game of mafia, being a scum is another factor contributing to that, just like this being his first game against bigger dawgz (which I'm not one of) and not newbies might also cause him being less easygoing. On the other hand though he might have taken lessons from NMM23 as well, which may help him adapt his scum play better into bigger dawgz. I don't know and can't estimate how well or poorly he adapted though. Other than that, I'm not familiar with any of the players, except for the notorious troll Chezinu (from BH's explanations in this thread). Should add that my first game was actually Newbie XXII, where I flipped mason and tried to follow Keir's lead on pretty much everything up until he got NK'd since he was the other mason and more experienced. I'm disappointed with the level of activity here. I think that we're letting lurkers get off a little too easy. I'm especially suspicious of people who haven't posted, as it's already been a full 12 hours since the game started, more than enough time for players to post. Moreover, this playstyle is unfair to town, since town by default has to go off of evidence to scumhunt and if everyone is lurking scum gets a free ride in terms of not having to give up much evidence. I'm going to go with a rando-vote on a lurker unless someone can claim me otherwise with a compelling case. I haven't yet seen a case that's good enough so far.
I remembered that 24 was your last possible newbie game but I didn't remember which was the other newbie game you played in. You're right about lurkers to be honest. My opinion is that it's up to US that will determine if people can or can not get away with lurking to the death. Even as townies, they are doing scum's jobs for them. Distracting townies with actual suspects and lurkers, preventing town dynamics from forming etc.
On August 22 2012 20:00 Shady Sands wrote:
Basically, there's no reason for a green or blue townie to lurk and wait for others to "make the first move", but there's plenty of reason for scum to lurk and post second. That's why I think that scum are just playing a waiting game.
One thing I am going to require: all lurkers who are making their first posts in here from now on, if you don't make a case in the post (given all that's happened in the thread already) I am going to vote for a lynch on you.
Why? This forces scum to choose to bus or shoot for a mislynch right from their first post in the thread, giving them zero opportunity to "test the waters" on the town's reaction to their claim. A townie should have no problems with this. Only scum should be made uncomfortable by this requirement.
Yep, but let me fix that: Contrary to my friendly neighbourhood friends who are considered as BIG DAWGZ over here, I can read chinese symbols/letters/hieroglyphs/whatever better than I can read scum behavior.
+ Show Spoiler +Newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN, remember?
So mind if I tell you what I'm going to do? Until I get better at reading scum behavior, what I'm going to do is I'm going to vote for lurking scumbags and uhh, the ones that don't make cases in their posts. In short: I'm going to vote lynches for any person who isn't helping us friendly neighbourhood townies with our jobs. I have 2 reasons for that:
1- I'm bad at this and I need help.
2- People helping scumbags are no different from actual scumbags to me.
On August 22 2012 20:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 19:07 Djagulingu wrote:On August 22 2012 18:56 Palmar wrote:
Thing is though, it seems very strange for a fairly new scum player to risk being so cocky about joining the thread and basically admitting to not doing much. So they are going to lurk to the death? As if we will allow that? I don't know actually what I would do if I had rolled scum in this game, which is my first. I'd probably try to look as protown as possible and try to conduct mislynches and avoid omgus nks. I probably wouldn't lurk in either alignment. It's easier to take a stance. Admitting lurking is something I'm not sure scum would do.
This, I agree with. But from this point, what would your actions be if you happened to be a scum and lurked all the way up to here?
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I will read the thread properly when I manage to steal a decent chunk of time at work.
For now, come out and play or die a horrible scummy death.
##Vote: Kville
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Eanie meanie miney moe
For which lurker should I go
##Vote: Kville
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## Vote: Kville
All aboard the midnight express... to hell.
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I'm a wagonstarter
twisted wagonstarter
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Cute, guess i came in good timing. Just finished reading and reviewing. Although, it is quite interesting, however, how marvellosity and djagulingu just random vote correspondingly on same person. Even though I never found marvellosity to kind-like during my reads.
#FoS marvellosity
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On August 22 2012 21:19 Kville wrote:
Cute, guess i came in good timing. Just finished reading and reviewing. Although, it is quite interesting, however, how marvellosity and djagulingu just random vote correspondingly on same person. Even though I never found marvellosity to kind-like during my reads.
#FoS marvellosity
Not random, voting for someone who hasn't said a fucking thing.
And you enter the thread and say even less. Most of it doesn't even make sense.
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On August 22 2012 21:19 Kville wrote:
Cute, guess i came in good timing. Just finished reading and reviewing. Although, it is quite interesting, however, how marvellosity and djagulingu just random vote correspondingly on same person. Even though I never found marvellosity to kind-like during my reads.
#FoS marvellosity
These votes aren't for good, y'know? Considering for how long you waited before making a post, we were assuming to find some good content in it. But what do we have instead? An OMGUS vote and a pile of words with no content.
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No need to be so irrational. How does it not make sense? I just claimed that you(marvellosity) and jang may perhaps be associates of somekind just based on how you "randomly" voted for someone becuase of inactivity with no leads on the first day. What isn't there to make sense about?
btw- Was at work and just got a new phone so I was setting up, plus full time student(no web blocks=sweetness ^.^).
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On August 22 2012 21:30 Kville wrote:
No need to be so irrational. How does it not make sense? I just claimed that you(marvellosity) and jang may perhaps be associates of somekind just based on how you "randomly" voted for someone becuase of inactivity with no leads on the first day. What isn't there to make sense about?
btw- Was at work and just got a new phone so I was setting up, plus full time student(no web blocks=sweetness ^.^).
and you FoS only one of us? not even the sheeper, no less.
More constructively - these votes happened right at the end of the thread, that you have now read through. Do you have anything to say about the rest of what you've read?
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On August 22 2012 21:30 Kville wrote:
No need to be so irrational. How does it not make sense? I just claimed that you(marvellosity) and jang may perhaps be associates of somekind just based on how you "randomly" voted for someone becuase of inactivity with no leads on the first day. What isn't there to make sense about?
btw- Was at work and just got a new phone so I was setting up, plus full time student(no web blocks=sweetness ^.^).
We were discussing our reasons for ages, or rather pages, in terms of lurker lynches, we casted our votes with the person who then had zero posts after the game began, I refresh the page and the first thing I see from you is baseless accusations on me, marv and shady followed by an OMGUS vote. You're not even my top 2 suspects and the only reason I'm casting my vote on you right now is because you're doing the scum's job for them. You're not being helpful to the good and constructive discussion we're trying to create, you're making us waste our time with you (which is no problem for me if you're a scumbag) and you're giving the real scums (if you're not one of them ofc) an opportunity to hide themselves by stalling us for them.
I think I made my point pretty clear about these votes, which can be revoked and put on someone else. The rest is up on you.
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Lemmings will be lemmings and you just happend to be the one in front.
What i gathered is that you claim to 'sheep' and yet you yourself have done nothing else but provide one liners and start nothing but chaos.
If it makes you feel any better
#Vote marvellosity
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I didn't claim to sheep, but ok. At least you're not beating around the bush.
What do you think about Obvious and talis?
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Kville it's not an unreasonable thing to do by marv to cast his vote on you, when at the time you had simply not posted in the thread.
While it doesn't absolve marv of being mafia, that vote says absolutely nothing about Marv's alignment, and you seem to have decided not to dig any further into his play in the game. In fact, any reasonable townie would realize that there's nothing about "being first" that increases marv's chances of being scum.
Why did you only consider him? You're not dumb enough to think the mafia team would decide to all vote randomly like that, are you? Why did you not even mention the other people going after you?
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## Vote Bluelightz
Guy comes into the thread announces his suspicion on someone then quickly retracts it simply because obvious gave a response. Didnt give good reasoning and only provided some insight when pushed to do so. Got into the game only after someone had left and was excited by the player list so you would think that his actvity would be greater and has lurked just as much as me.
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come on sombody yell at me.
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On August 22 2012 22:10 iamperfection wrote:
## Vote Bluelightz
Guy comes into the thread announces his suspicion on someone then quickly retracts it simply because obvious gave a response. Didnt give good reasoning and only provided some insight when pushed to do so. Got into the game only after someone had left and was excited by the player list so you would think that his actvity would be greater and has lurked just as much as me.
True, bluelightz is my top suspect along with you, but bluelightz's posts currently are pretty similar to yours. Can you please explain why we should suspect bluelightz while thinking that you're completely innocent?
Thanks in advance.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 22:01 Palmar wrote:
Kville it's not an unreasonable thing to do by marv to cast his vote on you, when at the time you had simply not posted in the thread.
While it doesn't absolve marv of being mafia, that vote says absolutely nothing about Marv's alignment, and you seem to have decided not to dig any further into his play in the game. In fact, any reasonable townie would realize that there's nothing about "being first" that increases marv's chances of being scum.
Why did you only consider him? You're not dumb enough to think the mafia team would decide to all vote randomly like that, are you? Why did you not even mention the other people going after you?
Of course no team mobs will ever vote together, but one does need to set fire to the match. Sandy Shades wasn't in my window until I posted which is why i never mentioned him although i will be looking into him and jing will give intent and info. about his reasoning, doesn't mean he is off the list but its better than just shooting in the dark.
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On August 22 2012 22:17 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 22:10 iamperfection wrote:
## Vote Bluelightz
Guy comes into the thread announces his suspicion on someone then quickly retracts it simply because obvious gave a response. Didnt give good reasoning and only provided some insight when pushed to do so. Got into the game only after someone had left and was excited by the player list so you would think that his actvity would be greater and has lurked just as much as me. True, bluelightz is my top suspect along with you, but bluelightz's posts currently are pretty similar to yours. Can you please explain why we should suspect bluelightz while thinking that you're completely innocent? Thanks in advance.
There is no way for me to prove that im completely innocent and its silly for you to suggest me to prove it on whats been posted. I havent been here but now im here time to find scum. Going forward ill be much more active that is all i can do.
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