On August 22 2012 15:49 VisceraEyes wrote: If only you knew sir. LOL
I love unbiased observations.
"If you only knew The trials and tribulations we been through But if you only knew We're real people homey, just like you We humble, but don't mistake us for some corny ass crew What we do, is try to give you what you ain't used to"
Reminds me of this song:
On August 22 2012 15:53 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes please...comment on my only bit of real actionable content before you write me off as trollish Dj.
I am not trying to "write you off as trollish" dude, I shit you not. In fact, your posting seems like a progamer's apm patterns, high amount of spamming in the early game combined with low percentage of actual in-game actions which in the later game turns into no spam and all in-game actions. Or is it? I don't know your style that much to know if it's true or not. I just saw the early game. I guess that's what happens if SC community plays mafia.
Alright. I kind of liked your analysis on my play because you seem to be at least applying the thoughts required to scumhunt successfully, not jumping to a conclusion while still not being afraid to take a stance.
I'm working on this project where I try to order the people in the game from the least scummy to the most scummy I'd like some input on where and why people should place. Are you familiar with the meta of any of these players? I don't know half the people in this game.
DJ marv kville Chez bluelightz obvious shady VE talis Lvdr
This is my list at the moment, but it's still very, very rough. And to be fair, there's a distinct lack of people who are actively trying to look town, the closest thing is your analysis on my play. marv seems to not give many fucks but he hasn't actually said anything relevant in the game so far. I really need to refine this list of players to get an idea if I'm wrong or not.
Do you agree with my ranking, and what would you change?
My real problem is that there's a few players I simply have no idea how to deal with.
Kville hasn't posted at all, which says nothing about his alignment, but everyone else has posted or done something dumb for the most part.
I honestly have no idea how to deal with Chezinu playing normally, I guess we need to wait until he busts out his list, he always does that, and then try to see how wrong he his. Despite his normally troll-ish style, Chez is very, very accurate in his scum-reads.
Bluelightz came into the thread guns blazing at obvious, but then immediately backed off. When I pressured him for it and asked him to provide reasons as to why he thought obvious was scummy in the first place, he disappeared from the thread again. He has yet to respond as to why he thought obvious was scummy, so it may be that he was simply bandwagoning something I was doing.
Normally this would set off major alarms, because it's not only stupid, but also very, very strange for a townie to act like that, but I've been burned before, BL does ridiculous stuff all the time.
On August 22 2012 18:22 Palmar wrote: Alright. I kind of liked your analysis on my play because you seem to be at least applying the thoughts required to scumhunt successfully, not jumping to a conclusion while still not being afraid to take a stance.
I'm working on this project where I try to order the people in the game from the least scummy to the most scummy I'd like some input on where and why people should place. Are you familiar with the meta of any of these players? I don't know half the people in this game.
I'm a little bit familiar with how shady plays. He lurked to the death as scum in Newbie MM 23 (which was his first game as far as I know), was pretty active and attended the scumhunt pretty well in 24 up until he got lynched at the end of day1. Meta analysis suggests that this Shady we have seen up to now is more like the scum one in Newbie MM 23.
However (I don't know how big of a factor this is but) he could be a lot less easygoing in his first game of mafia, being a scum is another factor contributing to that, just like this being his first game against bigger dawgz (which I'm not one of) and not newbies might also cause him being less easygoing.
On the other hand though he might have taken lessons from NMM23 as well, which may help him adapt his scum play better into bigger dawgz. I don't know and can't estimate how well or poorly he adapted though.
Other than that, I'm not familiar with any of the players, except for the notorious troll Chezinu (from BH's explanations in this thread).
On August 22 2012 18:27 Palmar wrote: DJ marv kville Chez bluelightz obvious shady VE talis Lvdr
This is my list at the moment, but it's still very, very rough. And to be fair, there's a distinct lack of people who are actively trying to look town, the closest thing is your analysis on my play. marv seems to not give many fucks but he hasn't actually said anything relevant in the game so far. I really need to refine this list of players to get an idea if I'm wrong or not.
Do you agree with my ranking, and what would you change?
Lovedoc looks less scummy imo, but my reads are probably not as sharp as yours, whereas bluelightz looks more scummy imo. My list would be something more like:
Palmar marv Chez Lvdr obvious VE kville bluelightz shady talis
The reason why Shady is one of my top suspects besides lurkers is that this is not anything close to the town shady I saw in Newbie MM 24, not even close. I can't explain this by adaptation of town play, this looks like something else to me. On the other hand, adaptation after now would imply the same thing to me as Kira's first change of kill patterns have implied to L in Death Note. But let's wait for him to come into the discussion first.
Thing is though, it seems very strange for a fairly new scum player to risk being so cocky about joining the thread and basically admitting to not doing much.
On August 22 2012 18:56 Palmar wrote: Thing is though, it seems very strange for a fairly new scum player to risk being so cocky about joining the thread and basically admitting to not doing much.
So they are going to lurk to the death? As if we will allow that? I don't know actually what I would do if I had rolled scum in this game, which is my first. I'd probably try to look as protown as possible and try to conduct mislynches and avoid omgus nks. I probably wouldn't lurk in either alignment.
On August 22 2012 18:22 Palmar wrote: Alright. I kind of liked your analysis on my play because you seem to be at least applying the thoughts required to scumhunt successfully, not jumping to a conclusion while still not being afraid to take a stance.
I'm working on this project where I try to order the people in the game from the least scummy to the most scummy I'd like some input on where and why people should place. Are you familiar with the meta of any of these players? I don't know half the people in this game.
I'm a little bit familiar with how shady plays. He lurked to the death as scum in Newbie MM 23 (which was his first game as far as I know), was pretty active and attended the scumhunt pretty well in 24 up until he got lynched at the end of day1. Meta analysis suggests that this Shady we have seen up to now is more like the scum one in Newbie MM 23.
However (I don't know how big of a factor this is but) he could be a lot less easygoing in his first game of mafia, being a scum is another factor contributing to that, just like this being his first game against bigger dawgz (which I'm not one of) and not newbies might also cause him being less easygoing.
On the other hand though he might have taken lessons from NMM23 as well, which may help him adapt his scum play better into bigger dawgz. I don't know and can't estimate how well or poorly he adapted though.
Other than that, I'm not familiar with any of the players, except for the notorious troll Chezinu (from BH's explanations in this thread).
Should add that my first game was actually Newbie XXII, where I flipped mason and tried to follow Keir's lead on pretty much everything up until he got NK'd since he was the other mason and more experienced.
I'm disappointed with the level of activity here. I think that we're letting lurkers get off a little too easy. I'm especially suspicious of people who haven't posted, as it's already been a full 12 hours since the game started, more than enough time for players to post. Moreover, this playstyle is unfair to town, since town by default has to go off of evidence to scumhunt and if everyone is lurking scum gets a free ride in terms of not having to give up much evidence.
I'm going to go with a rando-vote on a lurker unless someone can claim me otherwise with a compelling case. I haven't yet seen a case that's good enough so far.
Basically, there's no reason for a green or blue townie to lurk and wait for others to "make the first move", but there's plenty of reason for scum to lurk and post second. That's why I think that scum are just playing a waiting game.
One thing I am going to require: all lurkers who are making their first posts in here from now on, if you don't make a case in the post (given all that's happened in the thread already) I am going to vote for a lynch on you.
Why? This forces scum to choose to bus or shoot for a mislynch right from their first post in the thread, giving them zero opportunity to "test the waters" on the town's reaction to their claim. A townie should have no problems with this. Only scum should be made uncomfortable by this requirement.
On August 22 2012 18:56 Palmar wrote: Thing is though, it seems very strange for a fairly new scum player to risk being so cocky about joining the thread and basically admitting to not doing much.
So they are going to lurk to the death? As if we will allow that? I don't know actually what I would do if I had rolled scum in this game, which is my first. I'd probably try to look as protown as possible and try to conduct mislynches and avoid omgus nks. I probably wouldn't lurk in either alignment.
It's easier to take a stance. Admitting lurking is something I'm not sure scum would do.
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