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On August 22 2012 06:47 HiroPro wrote:
Whoever made Meowth should tell us what that role is. There is no reason for a townie to not have claimed the shot.
Why do you want that? More importantly why do you want to know this during the nightphase?
What information would you gain from knowing meowth's full role other than "dude shot someone d1" ?
Would it somehow help figure out mafia?
Would it somehow help figure out who's really likely town?
Would it somehow help figure out who to shoot / protect / DT / whatever else you got tonight?
I honestly don't think any of those questions would be answered with a yes, yet you asked for role-information rather than who meowth is. I just can't see a motivation in the question you just asked that is NOT mafiaagenda. At all.
Sad thing I bluffed with my KP power earlier the day, or did I ? I'd probably shoot you right now lol
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On August 22 2012 04:58 Dirkzor wrote:
Yes I thought about that. I actually made for myself but then someone asked about it and I posted it. I can be helpful for townies aswell to get an overview.
Either way I don't think 1 votecount list will make the difference if I die or not.
On its own? No but it just adds into the list of bad things you have done. You at the time of your vote weren't in a place to die and you stuck around almost till the time the vote ended. You said
On August 22 2012 04:41 Dirkzor wrote:
So with 1½ hours left we should start to consolidate. Seems to me there are only 2 real targets. Myself and allinson.
TBH i don't know what to write. Of course I'll change my vote to allinson to increase my own chance of survival. I'm still nut sure if he is scum or not but he never got on my green list.
Any questions for me go ahead and ask.
@VE: I can't get you out of my mind (<3). Why would you unvote me only to vote me again after 3 other had voted me. I understand the re-vote since that was after our little conversation but the unvote made no sense. You were the only one voting me at the time you unvoted with little support in the thread for my lynch at the time. You made a long case on Zephirdd but didn't vote him (Much like you accuse me of not voting allinson) and unvote me in the same post. You then re-voted me (with reason) and then you later stated that you would rather lynch zephirdd even though you voted me.
Its just... wrong somehow..
Yes being all nice and trying to make only two people to vote for is nice, except given the lack of discussion it lets people sheep like no other. You were practically not going to die and had a stronger read on someone else then who you voted and thus until it came down to just your vote, you should have attempted to either persuade people to vote for your main target or heavily analyze them / your other top reads. Near every action you have taken is really off. I also only think you are still "around" is because you are being heavily pushed at the moment and attempting to appear legit.
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So... I guess I am late @_@ long day at work. I didn't read much on imallinson at the time of my last post so I don't know if I'd have thought he was a good lynch or not. I was busy looking at VE at the time.
As my break will be over in a low amount of time, I'll just post some thoughts while reading the thread since my last post.
On the meowth thing:
I believe it was town KP. Why? Because I wasn't targetted. but then, so many people outing my fucking draw-shots strategy could have spoiled it huh. I'm still a medic and I'll still protect someone tonight, don't worry. Also, I may have claimed medic because I knew the strategy would be spoiled so scum would never shoot me WHAT NOW SCUM HUH COME ON SHOOT ME ohwait you will not WIFOMWIFOWMIFOM TAKE IT SCUM anyway
Anyway, it may have been scum KP but I'm willing to believe it was town. If there was no claim, it is very well possible that there is a reason hidden on his role - like, maybe he can't claim. I don't know, but I see no reason to shoot VE specifically.
On August 22 2012 03:58 BioSC wrote:Sure, dear. Aside from allinson, for the reasons people have already said, I'm also looking at zeph. His vote on Hopeless is a throwaway, and gives himself a reason to not post or contribute until near the end of the day/vote time. Plus, his filter just says to me active lurking during the first half day. Starts with the medic "claim" + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote:
How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"?
Also I am a medic. Go figure. the only town motivation to claim as medic this early is to die and eat shots for more important town players. However, He did this so early, there isn't anybody that fits this description yet. Then he makes 2 large posts proving he read the thread, throwing around his random thoughts on meaningless topics. This just looks like burying to me. + Show Spoiler +On August 20 2012 22:06 Zephirdd wrote:Hey I'm rereading!
Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:37 Mementoss wrote:On August 20 2012 08:28 Zephirdd wrote:
How about the "lynch whoever throws KP around randomly"?
Also I am a medic. Go figure. This is the worst role claim since VE every game I've played with him. This is PTP. I got med. who knows what comes next. np I'm not VE; I am much cuter.
Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 08:44 kitaman27 wrote:On August 20 2012 07:49 Kenpachi wrote:
hi guys im Kenpachi and im Town On August 20 2012 08:13 grush57 wrote:
Hey.
I'm town with blue. On August 20 2012 08:23 wherebugsgo wrote:
Hi all. I am town. Hey look, a bunch of individuals are clearly breadcrumbing the town role pm! How clever! But wait a minute, everyone knows this is against the rules.  So what are the odds that the mafia team also has the town role pm or happened to pick up on the crumb and has decided to use it gain town cred? Sneaky sneaky! Lynch bugs first? Let me see if I got this right... you noticed the pokealliance is breadcrumbing the role PM and then you decide that it's likely that they are scum and therefore should be lynched...?
Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:07 grush57 wrote:
Anyways, no scum would be retarded enough to be this active early.
If anything they would be in a position asking the questions while not doing anything themselves like drazerk(or anyone else really)
However, the only way to prove your innocence is to catch scum.
U C? I know you are banned, but I want to mention how stupid this is. Being so active this early IS a scum trait. It's the time of the day where there is the lowest amount of information and you can always justify whatever happened during this phase as "trolling" or "baiting". I've done that as scum before.
Throughout what I've been reading, kitaman looks incredibly annoyed about the whole "coloring town blue" thing. I mean, it's in the OP as people mentioned, and being a PTP every town is blue. Anybody else thinks he got annoyed because he thought that would confirm them as town, and therefore make life a hell for scum?
+ Show Spoiler [useless stuff for the game] +On August 20 2012 09:34 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 09:31 Zephirdd wrote:On August 20 2012 08:28 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:26 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:22 Kurumi wrote:On August 20 2012 08:21 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 08:20 deconduo wrote:
Scum KP is hidden. Then scum only have the KP roles people made Pretty much all I'm gathering from this No that means Kp was balanced accordingly to the roles they got. That is so easy. I honestly prefer my line of reasoning to that. Static KP means players become more important to others and gives trackers / watchers to have more power Themed games are not an exception of "make setups fair" rule. That is just the usual cleaning hosts do. Role cops are the strongest roles out there pretty much , but given that you can make really strong roles I wouldnt be surprised if I have seen a Cop checking everything and so on . What if I told you you can create rolecop immune roles. Shut up you wannabe Zapdos , you are nothing but a common pidgeon with eggs Zephir with double d's, pfffff I now know the meaning of Zephyr. I never knew. I thought Zephirdd was a cool name. TT
I've played with drazerk before. I understand what he means. Someone has to shoot him; not early because he is a cool scum bite, but late when we don't want him around lylo. That's how I see it. I'd say grush is pretty much the same. I don't remember Kenpachi ever flipping scum so I don't really care, but he always somehow dies sooner or later for some odd mechanical game-specific reason lol
Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 13:09 BioSC wrote:On August 20 2012 12:48 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 12:44 BioSC wrote:On August 20 2012 12:42 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 12:32 BioSC wrote:
Well, it will stop me from accusing him of being scum I guess. Wait you haven't actually posted anything yet... It was more a reference to my last game with him. What would you like to talk about, darling? Top 3 scum targets IDK Man, with grush being banned, my whole world got turned upside down!thoughts on the 4/25 lol I'm entering the thread posts Strange, but not in and of itself a scumtell to me.What is the meaning to life? Bacon What does grush being banned has to do with anything? If you think he is scum you make a case against him. And it's 42.
Finally. Show nested quote +On August 20 2012 21:54 Drazerk wrote:On August 20 2012 21:52 Toadesstern wrote:
I was SO going to post it :p Something tells me you was trying to talk to the person who actually had metronome though... You wereAnd Toad, what did that do? Did it do anything at all? >_> Oh Oh Oh is it like I suggested pregame? you use a random ability from any player in the game??? *___* Finally his vote: Hopeless. It's made to pressure Hopeless into explaining himself. Which is fine, but then hasn't come back to acknowledge the explanation at all. Work probably is a good excuse, but like I said previously, it smells of a throwaway vote with little to no damage to himself in the process. + Show Spoiler +On August 21 2012 23:52 Zephirdd wrote:
btw imallinson played on newbie mini VIII. I didn't take the time to actually read his posts here because I don't have it, but if you guys want to check it out. He also played on two other games but he had very little amount of posts do I assume he died night1 on both.
##Vote Hopeless1der
Until you explain your vote. Or post something useful at all.I would like to see what people think of zeph, but if we need my vote to kill allinson, I would be ok with swapping as well.
Huh, funny that you only bothered to find a scum read at the moment someone calls you for it, and you choose to vote someone who had no weight on a lynch(nobody cared enough to vote me). It's also funny that you acknowledge my reasoning for my vote(which is legit) AND acknowledges that I have to work(you specially, since I've been talking so much about it on IRC) but you still say it smells as a throwaway vote. Think with yourself: If I wanted to throw away my vote, why not throw it into VE who I said to be scum and had no chance to be lynched?
Nah, it's working schedules bro. And tonight I got a TL raid on wow. With scintilliaSD.
Also I'm trying to throw as many thoughts on relevant topics as I can, trying to make sense out of the thread.
you don't even mention my case on VE
There are probably more stuff I should talk about VE, but I'll wait until tomorrow for that. Reason is that I have 5 minutes until break is over, and I can't reread with deeper understanding. Besides, it's night. No point in making cases during the night.
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On August 22 2012 06:47 HiroPro wrote:
Whoever made Meowth should tell us what that role is. There is no reason for a townie to not have claimed the shot.
What would knowing the role do to benefit town at all -_- We already know its a day vig of some kind which is all we need. Lack of claiming said shot is likely not going to happen given that VE didn't die. Someone saying what the full role of meowth is won't really help us. It instead makes us start trying to find a role instead of finding scum. If that was the purpose of your post, perhaps someone will be nice and let you eat a bullet instead.
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On August 22 2012 07:15 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 06:47 HiroPro wrote:
Whoever made Meowth should tell us what that role is. There is no reason for a townie to not have claimed the shot. I can think of a few - Multi shot compulsive day vigi Linked to another player (Lovers/Siblings (although more likely for Nidoran)) The fact there are roles out there that need names to kill people The fact there are roles out there that need names to turn them green There is probably more I can't think of right now but those are the ones that stick out in my head
Really, just a random mention:
Water/Ice/Normal
The healing and nurturing Pokemon, they protect an additional 0.5KP with Medic powers.
Hell, let's all force the medic to claim.
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Meowth is a cat the only medic ability it will likely to have is healing itself by licking itself T_T
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On August 22 2012 07:36 Drazerk wrote:
Meowth is a cat the only medic ability it will likely to have is healing itself by licking itself T_T
On August 13 2012 05:26 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2012 05:13 Toadesstern wrote:
I take it we have to choose something that fits the style of the pokemon?
Let's say I am told that I'm choosing for a fire style pokemon and I don't like the guy.
Could I, hypothecially speaking, give him some garbage role that has nothing to do with his specials? :p
I guess that's a little exaggerated but do I have to choose KP roles if their ability is being good at KP roles?
Edit: Oh nevermind about the "if I get someone I don't like", it's anonymous but the question's still the same. Nope, no need. Its just a small incentive really to help balance role distribution, its not a mandatory thing at all. Sure a Squirtle that knows Flamethrower would be fun anyway 
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On August 22 2012 04:05 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:54 Toadesstern wrote:
mementoss what's your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson? Drazerk - commented more in detail before but troll bad town for now Dirkzor - the only thing suspicious about him seems to be his mess up in meta to try and make imallinson look worse than he is. I think this could be an honest mistake however. Most people voting for Dirkzor are people I don't trust, makes me uneasy. imallinson - will probably be where I'm placing my vote. I commented on it a bit before but will re-iterate. His initial posts were made to look like he contributed and actually tried drag day 1 discussion backwards. He did nothing for scum hunting and when criticized on this fact made a half ass case on SnB just to say he did. Spent most of the time defending himself which shittered up the thread and buried useful posts that were scum hunting at the time, it looks really bad in context. Also in the defence of himself he threw the heat onto dirkzor, who was an easy target because he had early heat in this game anyways. To take this further, his scum buddy who he planned this with, BC, immediately made a case onto dirkzor and got the wagon rolling. Look at the people voting for him, can you honestly say any of them look better than neutral to you?In this order: BC, imallinson, VE, mattchew, misder. I would like to hear your take on Dirkzor vs Drazerk vs imallinson additionally. ##Unvote: Mattchew
##Vote: Imallinson
Well as you called me scum, and sheeped onto a now confirmed town player as well as lied in the bolded section.
Guess what duder, I was putting heat and pressure on both draz + dirk before a case on allinson was EVER MADE.
Now obviously thats only a minor lie, but given that I had out right said Dirk Scumclaimed well before that its still a lie.
Also given how people voted.
Dirk/mementoss/bumatlarge for likely reds.
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Nothing like 3rd on the wagon I hope BC... 
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On August 22 2012 07:53 VisceraEyes wrote:Nothing like 3rd on the wagon I hope BC...
hahahahahahahahaha
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Meh, allinson seemed pretty obvious not to go for him. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a decent portion of the scum team not voting him. Dirk's alignment would be pretty enlightening.
On August 22 2012 01:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cool well I've taken damage. It wasn't very effecitve.
If I could shed some light on this? I'm not meowth (nor did I make the role), but since it was a normal type move, VE has to be a Rock type if he's telling the truth, which I think he is. There are about 10 rock types, so unless VE is multi-typed, I think it's fairly obvious for mafia to figure out that he is probably a Vet. If he was a ghost type, I'd imagine the ability would have never worked.
In the future, if you are told a hit on you is super-effective or not, you should think about saying it publicly. If a mafia member picked a rock-type's role, he probably knows what VE does. That's my stab at it.
Speaking of STAB,
![[image loading]](http://img.pokemondb.net/images/typechart.png) .
This game will get fun 
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On August 22 2012 09:46 bumatlarge wrote:Meh, allinson seemed pretty obvious not to go for him. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a decent portion of the scum team not voting him. Dirk's alignment would be pretty enlightening. Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 01:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cool well I've taken damage. It wasn't very effecitve. If I could shed some light on this? I'm not meowth (nor did I make the role), but since it was a normal type move, VE has to be a Rock type if he's telling the truth, which I think he is. There are about 10 rock types, so unless VE is multi-typed, I think it's fairly obvious for mafia to figure out that he is probably a Vet. If he was a ghost type, I'd imagine the ability would have never worked. In the future, if you are told a hit on you is super-effective or not, you should think about saying it publicly. If a mafia member picked a rock-type's role, he probably knows what VE does. That's my stab at it. Speaking of STAB, . This game will get fun
VE stated that he did not mean "not very effective" in the pokemon sense of the phrase. Only that it didn't kill him. Also, anyone can be a Veteran. There's no real limit to what abilities were given.
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On August 22 2012 10:07 heist wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 09:46 bumatlarge wrote:Meh, allinson seemed pretty obvious not to go for him. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a decent portion of the scum team not voting him. Dirk's alignment would be pretty enlightening. On August 22 2012 01:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Cool well I've taken damage. It wasn't very effecitve. If I could shed some light on this? I'm not meowth (nor did I make the role), but since it was a normal type move, VE has to be a Rock type if he's telling the truth, which I think he is. There are about 10 rock types, so unless VE is multi-typed, I think it's fairly obvious for mafia to figure out that he is probably a Vet. If he was a ghost type, I'd imagine the ability would have never worked. In the future, if you are told a hit on you is super-effective or not, you should think about saying it publicly. If a mafia member picked a rock-type's role, he probably knows what VE does. That's my stab at it. Speaking of STAB, . This game will get fun VE stated that he did not mean "not very effective" in the pokemon sense of the phrase. Only that it didn't kill him. Also, anyone can be a Veteran. There's no real limit to what abilities were given.
I think most people would tend to give abilities based on typing and flavor. That was kinda the point to the "same-type-attack-bonus" (STAB) mechanic, so that the roles would be more evenly distributed.
I missed when VE said that wasn't what he meant. Guess that means the ability itself wasn't enough to kill him?
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In the name of clarity, I never claimed what effectiveness it had. Only that I'm still alive after the attack. *shrug*
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kitaman27
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Seems to me bum that you are more interested in discussing fluff than pushing anyone for a lynch
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I think the talk about the alignment of the Meowth attacker, at least for now, is a complete waste of time. Roles in this game in particular don't tell us anything about alignment. From a motives perspective only the attacker knows anyway, since I can find equally plausible reasons from both alignment perspectives to shoot VE.
I'll be posting some thoughts before deadline.
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On August 22 2012 10:24 grush57 wrote:
Hey i got unbanned :D
Delightful. You missed a townie lynch and a shot on me and an attempted policy lynch on you by me. You're caught up.
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On August 22 2012 10:24 grush57 wrote:
Hey i got unbanned :D
and now the grush discussions will restart...
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Anyways my suspicion is on JingleHell atm.
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