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On July 17 2012 05:39 tube wrote: the points against me are that im being an active lurker and thats supposedly our best lynch how am i supposed to respond to that other than "i just felt like posting" because i didnt want to be inactive from my point of view im not attracting suspicion to begin with Hmm.. Usually Mafia feel the need to post and "fit in" as they have an inherit sense of guilt. Do you think making non-productive posts makes you look more town? Seems like it has the opposite effect. I'd suggest you share some of your reads with us. What you think about other players etc. If you are town and really do want to get the heat of you.. If you're mafia than keep doing what your doing | ||
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I just want to help the town -- and if your town, I don't want you to be lynched. But I just said you weren't making it very clear to us with your posting that you were town. Instead it looked like you were just crapping up the thread. So I suggested make better posts, discuss your reads with us. You know.. be town? And your reaction to that is FOS me? lol | ||
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On July 17 2012 05:58 JingleHell wrote: With tube, I'm thinking the same way I was about Lazer. If they flip green, at least we don't have them hurting the town with their attitude. Is this.. a scum slip? You should always go for mafia. Lynching someone for being bad-town is a mistake. This is a noobie game after all. | ||
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On July 17 2012 06:05 tube wrote: honestly mafia is laughing at you What makes you think that he isn't Mafia himself? | ||
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laughing hard at your ebwop | ||
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 In my experience (LVI) it seemed that the first lynch did not turn out to be scum. But that's just down to odds right.. However, one player who posted short reads, accusations, one liners (Bill Murray in that game) ended up being Mafia Boss and was shot N1. Food for thought I guess. Kind of hard to extrapolate good data or trends for D1. | ||
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Currently I think both tube and Obvious can be seen as scum. But the meta switch by tube (where he all of a sudden changed his tone, style, writing) seemed way too coached to have been his own doing. A vote against Obviousis a decent one, but I gotta go with my gut here and think tube is the more "obvious" scum player.. Unless I can pull more reasoning out of why Obvious is mafia, I'll leave my vote where it is now. ##tube | ||
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ebwop Vote ##tube On July 18 2012 03:38 tube wrote: you're using the same argument that obvious backtracked on theres literally no difference between the way i was talking before and the way i am now except i use punctuation and capitalization how do you even get coached in mafia why does everyone keep suggesting this There was a huge difference. But since that post and everyone calling you out on it, YOU have since back tracked and modified your play and posting style to the way it was before. | ||
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I can see why you think YourHarry could be suspicious. But I think if we don't lynch tube for that pretty obvious scum slip (coaching.. there is coaching in this game remember?) that we'll be laughed at pretty hard when it moves past D1, D2.. etc and he's still flopping around with his crappy posts. | ||
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I've yet to see any super strong evidence posted against either of them other than WIFOM and some contradicting statements they've made. I guess this is D1 after all but I really think tube would be a better vote. I'm curious how an obvious lynch turns out though since some people seem to be pushing him hard and tunneling in on him quite a bit. Usually that's something mafia does when one of their own is in danger is it not? Push votes to other targets, throw accusations, start spamming up the thread and the like. I'm keeping my vote where it is and I'd like others to join me. tube's been posting quite carefully since he narrowly escaped the lynch around his neck. But I'll throw my FOS onto Obvious and Harry right now. Seems like there's too much panicing going on in this thread. Gives me a good feeling mafia is scrambling right now. And that gives me a good feeling one of these 3 are definitely mafia. | ||
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On July 16 2012 09:51 tube wrote: i see On July 16 2012 10:26 tube wrote: in a game this small where everyone said "i will be active" i dont think lurking is a good idea for anyone, esp mafia idk what igmeoy means but i just didnt do any analysis what lol maybe i just dont see anything to analyze in day 1 with no information On July 17 2012 05:08 tube wrote: jesus what is with all this hostility On July 17 2012 05:08 tube wrote: elmo and whatnot On July 17 2012 05:13 tube wrote: you really like putting words in people's mouth to try to sound more convincing dont you On July 17 2012 05:14 tube wrote: ok ill try to go into more detail about previous arguments brb On July 17 2012 05:22 tube wrote: i didnt martyr myself i thought making a sarcastic statement like that would make people realize how pointless it is to lynch me On July 17 2012 05:58 tube wrote: i looked up chainsaw defense and how did i attack anyone by posting a list of lurkers i think hes just a really aggressive (too much so, to be honest) player im not convinced in anyway that he's either alignment On July 17 2012 06:07 tube wrote: whats funny about it On July 17 2012 06:37 tube wrote: by the by that also applies to jinglehell's reasoning as to why i should be lynched On July 17 2012 06:45 tube wrote: ebwop: for being careful That isn't even all the one liners that you've posted so far. Majorly shitting up the thread with these useless posts with no decent discussion behind them is a noob-mafia play. You have over 30 posts. And before you changed your posting style they were mostly one liners like these. Finally when enough people called you out on it you began to post better discussion and actually decent posts, but to me I still think your a scum that is skirting by right now. The only one contribution you had so far was calling out lurkers when the heat was on you and making a list of their names. The only reason you're not being lynched right now is because people have tunneled onto other people since then. But I still think your dramatic change in attitude, posting style, and content is evidence of coaching. | ||
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On July 18 2012 05:41 tube wrote: And why are you dismissing the accusations against Obvious as petty bandwagons, he hasn't even defended himself yet. Don't you think if he was really mafia.. He'd be here defending himself? is the case against him SO STRONG that he sees it as an imovable mountain that can never be overcome? If obvious was really mafia his scum buddies would be pressuring him to post. They would be defending him, or trying to push lynches even harder onto other players. The fact that he hasn't posted to defend himself, the fact that no one is strongly defending him, tells me that he's probably not mafia. Also you saying I posted a bunch of one liners is halarious coming from you. Anyone with half a second can check out my filter and see that's simply not true. | ||
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On July 19 2012 08:18 Hapahauli wrote: Well in the mafia XX game, it was explicitly mentioned when a player (Khorrus) was modkilled, so it seems like a mafia kill. Evul was pretty quiet all game, so maybe Mafia was trying to kill a blue? Regardless, I'm happy to be alive, and let's make this day of discussion better than the last. Isn't it possible he was shot by vigi, and the mafia NK was saved?.. like by a medic I mean. Nvm I guess that's sort of unlikely since no one has claimed blue so no one would be an obvious person for the medic to protect. | ||
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On July 19 2012 08:57 YourHarry wrote: Also, it would be interesting for people who were roleblocked to claim roleblocked. Are you saying we should tell the mafia who our blues are already? | ||
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As for Calgar, he was harsh pushing for iamperfection. Perhaps iamperfection is town and so mafia were happy to just let Calgar continue his case into D2? Or perhaps Calgar is the "obviously town acting" mafia scum you were talking about. Either way, Mafia killed Evul. A lurker, who was going to be replaced. Netting us literally 0 information we can use, other than WIFOM. For my reads right now, I wouldn't mind testing the waters with a Calgar lynch. Getting one of the major players out of the way and see what he flips. This could tell us a lot about iamperfection as well as others who are resistant (or soft defending) a Calgar lynch. | ||
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On July 20 2012 09:11 Probulous wrote: You will not be notified if you have been blocked, only that your action has failed (if you have one). My apologies I forgot to add this to the OP, I know it is a little different so if you want me to notify people if they are blocked, please say so in thread. I feel like a dumbass right now  Letting the blues know if they're blocked or not would be helpful if you could do it. | ||
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Mad ninja'd. | ||
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If YourHarry flips scum, what information do you think we will gain from that conclusion? What if YourHarry flips town. What will be your opinion on Calgar, Hap, et all? | ||
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I'm just asking because I'm trying to link things together. Trying to see what we can pull out of this lynch should it be successful or not.. And I can't really see anything. | ||
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Well I hope your right on this Jingle. For your sake.. being 95% sure and all. Being the person who's mostly been controlling this game, I really hope your right. | ||
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Since you're 95% sure that he's scum, I'm sure your comfortable with this. As tomorrow when he's lynched and flips scum I'll be able to believe your actually jailer. | ||
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Basically you're saying I'm more suspicious as scum for settling on your lynch, than you are for leading it? Nice way to get out of taking responsibility for your cases. | ||
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To me it looks like your controlling this game. And soon as someone casts suspicion on you, you make a case on them. I want to see him lynched after your grandoise case against him. Because it will tell me a lot about your alignment. But, I'm sure being someone who doesn't want people to know about his alignment, you switch to a vote on me? | ||
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All it is is that we have different play styles Jingle. You make WIFOM cases on people. You make cases based off of what they may or may not have meant in their posts. I prefer to make judgements of alignment based on reactions. It was the reason I stuck with wanting to lynch tube after I saw how when pressured he totally changed his play style. To me, this tells a lot more about ones alignment than whatever you may perceive to be as a "slip" or whatever. I know what colour I'll flip to. And since you've been the person controlling the game, if Harry flips green I'll conclude that your either mafia, or bad town leading us down a hole. Anyway, what is your reaction to my pressure? Hmm? Soon as one of your town full of sheep (thus far) tries to call you out you switch your vote to him. This does 2 things. For one, it makes it so Harry won't get lynched (therefore you don't have to be responsible to the case I'm making against you). And for two, you're trying to kill off me (as someone who could push for a lynch against you) just to keep the town full of people that'll only sheep you. | ||
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On July 21 2012 04:29 JingleHell wrote: Since the beginning, drwiggl3s has lurked. Scummy. He's showed up in controversial moments to give us great pearls of wisdom. Like these. Truly food for thought. Day 1, he voted for Tube well after that dust had cleared. He visibly disassociated himself from the Obvious mislynch, which he seems to be capitalizing on now. Here, he makes a scummy statement about killing Calgar purely for the information. And now his recent posting binge. Asking great questions, like what kind of info people might be able to glean from current situations once they resolve. And generally setting things up so that no matter how Harry flips, he's in a good position. Thoughts? I'll be responding to the above case in points. 1) The "Pearls of Wisdom". Those were day 1 posts. I was trying to encourage others to talk, and to be helpful. There it's clear when I responded to Fulla's question regarding how often mafia actually get lynched day 1. The first post you quoted against tube was me trying to be constructive. Instead of calling him out for his scum slip saying that he "just felt like posting" I tried to explain why this makes him look scummy to us. And I encouraged him to share some reads with us to get more information out of him. Just because I don't post as much as you do doesn't mean I don't actively think out my posts and try to figure out what reaction I can expect from a player. So yes they are "Food for though" despite not spamming up an entire page like you need to. 2) I've already made it clear that I was tunnelling onto tube for his change of play style. I told you that I think people's reactions are a better determining factor of their alignment than their posting. I thought that tube was a better lynch due to his big change in play style once the heat was on. This over obvious who made some controversially possibly scum posts. Despite this being newbie mafia, I believe the mafia are still competent enough to not make obvious scum slips. And that it's only town (who naturally don't feel a sense of worry or guilt as much as mafia) to post more freely and make these "slips" you are even accusing me of. 3) My post on Calgar was to state I support his lynch. I however didn't follow it with a vote as their were already votes on him (I'll explain in next sentences). My reasoning for this was it was early in the day, and I wanted to see who came out of the woodwork to defend Calgar. For example, I was looking to see if a lurker came out to defend him with some off the wall case, or if someone else really tried pushing for someone else. The reason I didn't vote for him immediately was I didn't want it to seem that it was impossible to save him. If that was the case than a lurker who is mafia might not risk the exposure to save someone who is already likely to be lynched. 4) As far as "setting" stuff up goes. I wanted to make it clear that I am suspicious of you and that I was going for a Harry lynch not because I fully believe in the case against him, but because I think it'll shed light on the most active players in this game. Namely you. If he flipped town I was going to make a case on you D3 if you ended up as a "confirmed jailer" and yet STILL alive after N2. That was the point I was trying to make. I wasn't setting myself up to "look good" or trying to kill a confirmed townie. I was just saying that if you lead the lynch on a townie, you should be held at least somewhat accountable. And IF you survived N2 as a confirmed town / jailer, it'd make me VERY suspicious if that is your actual alignment. I hope this is satisfactory. But I'm up for follow up questions or anything else. | ||
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3) I was not ignoring the case or suggesting to lynch for information. Did you just read my explanation? I was trying to get someone to come out from being a lurker and defend him, possibly netting us two Mafia if Calgar went on to be lynched. I even gave you my reason as to why I didn't throw my vote on Calgar that early. 4) How would that make me look good? I'm not trying to take over the game here, you're the one that's in control since D1 are you not? All I was doing was telling straight to YOU that I think you could be scum depending on how today and tonight turns out. Don't you agree that if you live past tonight it will be seen as suspicious? I never said I was for lynching Harry for information, I said I can settle on that case because it will tell me something about you (especially if you live to D3). What part about that don't you get? | ||
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2) How was my posting on Calgar not at the very worst a good try to get more mafia to come out? Was this post any worse than your stupid "bread crumbing"? It was an honest attempt to scum hunt. And no, it wasn't "gullible". You yourself didn't even realise my intention behind posting that until I explained it to you. All you seem to know to jump on is scum "slips" or threats against yourself. You aren't actually participating in scum hunting that isn't full blown and throwing huge piles of WIFOM at each other. 3) I made it clear that I will make the case and tell the town if D3 should come and you're still alive and Harry is flipped as green. I wasn't implying I had knowledge you don't. I wasn't even posting when you weren't there. I posted straight after you did to say directly to you that I'm suspicious of you. And your reaction was to vote for me DESPITE having "95%" FOR SURE case against Harry. I wanted to gauge your reaction (one of self preservation), and it has given me more proof that if you live past the night, that you're actually scum and playing us all for fools. | ||
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- I say if because I'm not totally sure if Harry is Mafia or not. If he is, you're town in my books. If he's not, you COULD be scum. And if he's not scum AND you live to D3 without a hit placed on you, than I'll think you are probably scum and I'll make a case on you D3. | ||
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I'd like to hear if anyone else has something to say. I will use myself if necessary but I'm sure if I'm not there you will blow off me being lynched as something along the lines of.. "oh come on guys, it was an obvious scum slip. If you were in my shoes you would have called him on it to." In the scenario where you ARE jailer and die at night tonight, I'd at least have us try to lynch actual mafia scum and not just settle for myself being lynched as a townie to prove a point. For all I know mafia already have you marked for hit tonight and if I die and you die then by D3 not only is Harry still alive but we have no good information. | ||
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The only theoretical content I mentioned was this In the scenario where you ARE jailer and die at night tonight, I'd at least have us try to lynch actual mafia scum and not just settle for myself being lynched as a townie to prove a point. For all I know mafia already have you marked for hit tonight and if I die and you die then by D3 not only is Harry still alive but we have no good information. "Lynch for info"? did you not say you were 95% sure that Harry is scum? I want to kill scum. Self lynching myself would just be purely for information that you may or may not dissuade the town into ignoring. | ||
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Can anyone say something else? I don't think arguing with the person who I've told I may be pushing for D3 makes sense. | ||
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Can anyone else say something as well. I don't want to only talk to Jingle and Fulla who said On July 21 2012 04:43 Fulla wrote: As far as I know jingle is confirmed town? So I will just vote whatever he says. He's a much better player than me anyways. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:32 JingleHell wrote: This is heavy WIFOM. At least, considering that you were apparently very convinced I could be right about Harry. And again, if you weren't, you should be presenting evidence on his behalf. Not trying to change how someone looks after the lynch. Talking about lynching for info like it should be a priority over lynching for red. No matter how you dress it up, this is suggesting lynching for info... And, of course, I'm pretty sure that each time you respond, more chunks of my original case against you disappear from what you're responding to. Without me or anyone else sounding even slightly convinced. That isn't full of WIFOM. I was never very convinced you were right about Harry. I said he could be scum, and that I settled on him. I always said lynching for scum is priority, but knowing I'm town, I don't want to just die to give you information. I never wanted to lynch Calgar. Did you not see me not vote on him? I was trying to draw a response from possible mafia lurkers (if he himself was mafia). Since no one suspicious came out I shifted my suspicions away from Calgar. Don't accuse me of nit picking your case. I've responded to it fully. You just don't agree with anything I say. Even despite being supposedly so sure of your case on Harry you are perfectly happy lynching me. | ||
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On July 21 2012 06:36 JingleHell wrote: Oh? What happened to this attitude? Uhm it's fairly obvious that there's no reasoning with you. I responded to your case fully and your still sitting on me. | ||
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Goodluck town! Sorry but you're going to need it apparently. After today it'll be 3 Mafia to 6 Town. | ||
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Jk, gg town goodluck! | ||
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