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On July 26 2012 09:55 Speedbump wrote:I lost internet for roughly two days, only got it back today. T_T First of all, Vote No Lynch. I honestly had massive suspicions of Fulla, but I lost internet access half-way through making a case on him. I agree that the safest course of action that town has is to go with a No Lynch. It means that town can play much more cautiously and still win. My role is Senior. At the risk of OMGUS, I think that this post from calgar is over-assumptive. Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 03:54 calgar wrote:
My play has definitely been reckless. I’ve been aggressive and posted reads and made mistakes. That’s been the same all game long. I was grasping at straws when I tried to read in hopeless, kind of like with my attempted meta-analysis of iamperfection. Here’s my new case.
I’ve rethought what I think about hopeless and him calling out that there was no doctor. Jingle knew there might not be a doctor but he tried to stay alive by ‘requesting’ it nevertheless. Hopeless points out that there probably isn’t one. Jingle is mad because hopeless has just killed whatever small chance jingle had of living to the next day. I think mafia wouldn’t have wanted jingle to be warned so explicitly. Maybe he still had some hope left and might not have done anything productive at night. I’ll stop here because it descends into even more WIFOM but I think hopeless is town because of this.
Now, town should 100% no lynch. Whoever mafia hits, even Harry who we have strong feelings about, the field will be narrower and there is one less person to hide behind. Town will have a good chance at getting mafia lynched and that will bring it to 3-1, still very winnable. Mafia wants to lynch today and for people to get overzealous and go for their reads prematurely. Town needs to play logically here. Logic says no lynch is the best call statistically.
My case now is against our replacement. Whatever you think about me, I think there is a better case for him. I think the burden is on the replacer to clear their name with aggressive posting and reads. I think if he were town he would have tried much harder to do so. Wouldn’t you if you had replaced in? This isn’t someone like tube who signed up and then gave up. He signed up as a replacement and then accepted it. I think he should care more considering he joined recently. He should have been posting much more, except for the fact that he hasn’t needed to since lurking would have almost won with people lynching on MYLO. He left us dangling with a promise to return. iamperfection is on the right track for calling him out.
It’s interesting that mafia didn’t kill harry OR Speedbump-- not shooting Harry was a gamble, since he’s confirmed townie, to try and get a mislynch. Speedbump, though, as a replacement, traditionally gets the ‘benefit of the doubt’ and wouldn’t be lynched at LYLO. Mafia has definitely thought of this! viscera would have thought of it, and they are probably aware of it from guides also. Replacement townies are a huge liability for the mafia-- speedbump being alive should be very suspicious + everything else added on. Bolded the logical flaw I see in your post. It's much easier to make assumptions about how replacements play, instead of actually playing the game. To answer your flawed analysis there; unless the player pre-replacement plays exceptionally poorly, I don't think that the replacement has any onus of burden to defend himself overzealously, like you're implying. In fact, overzealous play causes more problems for town, with potential mislynches. But then, when one is reckless and grasping at straws the whole game, it would be easier to make more brash and reckless assumptions to mislynch and win. Have you got anything substantial to go on, or is this all purely WIFOM? FoS calgar
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Nice of you to rejoin the thread. How convenient that your internet comes up in time to address the case against you.
So, no fulla case then huh. You said it would come in 2-3 hours. Then the next day you say it’s not there but still coming that night. Then you come back after 2 days. You could have posted from your phone. So that makes no case still. You’re on your phone, you woke up late, your internet went down while making your case. That’s convenient. NK happens to be on the guy you promised your case on, also convenient. Convenient that you can still be unaccountable. Sounds like you’ve got lots of excuses but haven’t managed to push any original analysis.
You sheep FOS onto iamperfection, sheep vote onto tube, and sheep FOS onto me. Baaah. Where are your thoughts? Where are your cases? How have you contributed to town at all, even once? The mafia targeting is partially WIFOM. The simplest shot would still have been to shoot YourHarry or you. Why didn’t they take the simplest?
Bolded the flaw? Lol you bolded the entire thing. I’m suspicious of you because you are acting suspicious. Where is the ‘flaw’ in that reasoning? Maybe you should bold this entire response too.
On July 26 2012 09:55 Speedbump wrote:
To answer your flawed analysis there; unless the player pre-replacement plays exceptionally poorly, I don't think that the replacement has any onus of burden to defend himself overzealously, like you're implying. In fact, overzealous play causes more problems for town, with potential mislynches. Hmm. I guess I could just stop posting and try to help the town like you have. No onus? Did you conveniently forget the part where you disappeared for 48 hours? That means you do in fact have a burden, especially this late in the game. Honestly, what is town supposed to expect when you stop playing for that long? Why did you agree to replace if you were going to post that little? I have one explanation.
On July 26 2012 09:55 Speedbump wrote:
But then, when one is reckless and grasping at straws the whole game, it would be easier to make more brash and reckless assumptions to mislynch and win. Have you got anything substantial to go on, or is this all purely WIFOM?
FoS calgar Have you got any contributions to make to town or are you going to purely sheep the rest of the game?
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On July 26 2012 10:55 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 09:55 Speedbump wrote:
Bolded the logical flaw I see in your post. It's much easier to make assumptions about how replacements play, instead of actually playing the game. To answer your flawed analysis there; unless the player pre-replacement plays exceptionally poorly, I don't think that the replacement has any onus of burden to defend himself overzealously, like you're implying. In fact, overzealous play causes more problems for town, with potential mislynches.
But then, when one is reckless and grasping at straws the whole game, it would be easier to make more brash and reckless assumptions to mislynch and win. Have you got anything substantial to go on, or is this all purely WIFOM?
FoS calgar Calgar's suspicions are pretty reasonable, and its inexcusable for a player to not post for 48 hours when the town's at MYLO. You claim your internet cut out, but you were pretty quick to defend yourself when people started calling you out. You also spend more time decrying Calgar's "flawed analysis" than actually analyzing his case. Hell, I haven't seen you analyze well... anything since you joined.
On July 26 2012 11:20 calgar wrote:Nice of you to rejoin the thread. How convenient that your internet comes up in time to address the case against you. So, no fulla case then huh. You said it would come in 2-3 hours. Then the next day you say it’s not there but still coming that night. Then you come back after 2 days. You could have posted from your phone. So that makes no case still. You’re on your phone, you woke up late, your internet went down while making your case. That’s convenient. NK happens to be on the guy you promised your case on, also convenient. Convenient that you can still be unaccountable. Sounds like you’ve got lots of excuses but haven’t managed to push any original analysis. You sheep FOS onto iamperfection, sheep vote onto tube, and sheep FOS onto me. Baaah. Where are your thoughts? Where are your cases? How have you contributed to town at all, even once? The mafia targeting is partially WIFOM. The simplest shot would still have been to shoot YourHarry or you. Why didn’t they take the simplest? Bolded the flaw? Lol you bolded the entire thing. I’m suspicious of you because you are acting suspicious. Where is the ‘flaw’ in that reasoning? Maybe you should bold this entire response too. Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 09:55 Speedbump wrote:
To answer your flawed analysis there; unless the player pre-replacement plays exceptionally poorly, I don't think that the replacement has any onus of burden to defend himself overzealously, like you're implying. In fact, overzealous play causes more problems for town, with potential mislynches. Hmm. I guess I could just stop posting and try to help the town like you have. No onus? Did you conveniently forget the part where you disappeared for 48 hours? That means you do in fact have a burden, especially this late in the game. Honestly, what is town supposed to expect when you stop playing for that long? Why did you agree to replace if you were going to post that little? I have one explanation. Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 09:55 Speedbump wrote:
But then, when one is reckless and grasping at straws the whole game, it would be easier to make more brash and reckless assumptions to mislynch and win. Have you got anything substantial to go on, or is this all purely WIFOM?
FoS calgar Have you got any contributions to make to town or are you going to purely sheep the rest of the game?
@Hapahauli and calgar: So what you're claiming is that I would somehow lie about internet connections being disconnected, and then conspicuously re-appear when I defend myself? Would you say the same thing if I re-appeared and I wasn't in the situation of defending myself? I find it odd that people tend to misconstrue things that happen with unfortunate timings with less trepidation than is due.
Matter of fact is, my net cut out for two days. This was both my mobile internet and the wifi at the backpackers I was staying at during the time. There was literally nothing I can do about that. If you want to overlook hunting for mafia to rail at me for not having an internet connection at the time, then town will lose.
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EBWODP: Responding to calgar's post. Could take quite a while.
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On July 26 2012 11:57 Speedbump wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 10:55 Hapahauli wrote:On July 26 2012 09:55 Speedbump wrote:
Bolded the logical flaw I see in your post. It's much easier to make assumptions about how replacements play, instead of actually playing the game. To answer your flawed analysis there; unless the player pre-replacement plays exceptionally poorly, I don't think that the replacement has any onus of burden to defend himself overzealously, like you're implying. In fact, overzealous play causes more problems for town, with potential mislynches.
But then, when one is reckless and grasping at straws the whole game, it would be easier to make more brash and reckless assumptions to mislynch and win. Have you got anything substantial to go on, or is this all purely WIFOM?
FoS calgar Calgar's suspicions are pretty reasonable, and its inexcusable for a player to not post for 48 hours when the town's at MYLO. You claim your internet cut out, but you were pretty quick to defend yourself when people started calling you out. You also spend more time decrying Calgar's "flawed analysis" than actually analyzing his case. Hell, I haven't seen you analyze well... anything since you joined. Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 11:20 calgar wrote:Nice of you to rejoin the thread. How convenient that your internet comes up in time to address the case against you. So, no fulla case then huh. You said it would come in 2-3 hours. Then the next day you say it’s not there but still coming that night. Then you come back after 2 days. You could have posted from your phone. So that makes no case still. You’re on your phone, you woke up late, your internet went down while making your case. That’s convenient. NK happens to be on the guy you promised your case on, also convenient. Convenient that you can still be unaccountable. Sounds like you’ve got lots of excuses but haven’t managed to push any original analysis. You sheep FOS onto iamperfection, sheep vote onto tube, and sheep FOS onto me. Baaah. Where are your thoughts? Where are your cases? How have you contributed to town at all, even once? The mafia targeting is partially WIFOM. The simplest shot would still have been to shoot YourHarry or you. Why didn’t they take the simplest? Bolded the flaw? Lol you bolded the entire thing. I’m suspicious of you because you are acting suspicious. Where is the ‘flaw’ in that reasoning? Maybe you should bold this entire response too. On July 26 2012 09:55 Speedbump wrote:
To answer your flawed analysis there; unless the player pre-replacement plays exceptionally poorly, I don't think that the replacement has any onus of burden to defend himself overzealously, like you're implying. In fact, overzealous play causes more problems for town, with potential mislynches. Hmm. I guess I could just stop posting and try to help the town like you have. No onus? Did you conveniently forget the part where you disappeared for 48 hours? That means you do in fact have a burden, especially this late in the game. Honestly, what is town supposed to expect when you stop playing for that long? Why did you agree to replace if you were going to post that little? I have one explanation. On July 26 2012 09:55 Speedbump wrote:
But then, when one is reckless and grasping at straws the whole game, it would be easier to make more brash and reckless assumptions to mislynch and win. Have you got anything substantial to go on, or is this all purely WIFOM?
FoS calgar Have you got any contributions to make to town or are you going to purely sheep the rest of the game? @Hapahauli and calgar: So what you're claiming is that I would somehow lie about internet connections being disconnected, and then conspicuously re-appear when I defend myself? Would you say the same thing if I re-appeared and I wasn't in the situation of defending myself? I find it odd that people tend to misconstrue things that happen with unfortunate timings with less trepidation than is due. Matter of fact is, my net cut out for two days. This was both my mobile internet and the wifi at the backpackers I was staying at during the time. There was literally nothing I can do about that. If you want to overlook hunting for mafia to rail at me for not having an internet connection at the time, then town will lose.
Even if we ignore your 48 hour break, you still haven't done anything resembling analysis. Furthermore, this is the second time you're bandwagonning on the suspicion du jour - first Tube and now Calgar.
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On July 26 2012 11:20 calgar wrote:
Nice of you to rejoin the thread. How convenient that your internet comes up in time to address the case against you. How convienient of you to whine and make me look bad over things outside my control. Quite an original tactic, I know.
On July 26 2012 11:20 calgar wrote:So, no fulla case then huh. You said it would come in 2-3 hours. Then the next day you say it’s not there but still coming that night. I had a post that took me 2 hours to write on my phone, which got deleted when the browser crashed. I would love it if I were in a position not to rely on a phone for posting, and not have to defend myself from your scum bias at MYLO.
On July 26 2012 11:20 calgar wrote:Then you come back after 2 days. You could have posted from your phone. No internet plan for my phone, no working wifi. Sucks not having a job to pay for the internet for it too.
On July 26 2012 11:20 calgar wrote:So that makes no case still. You’re on your phone, you woke up late, your internet went down while making your case. That’s convenient. NK happens to be on the guy you promised your case on, also convenient. Convenient that you can still be unaccountable. Sounds like you’ve got lots of excuses but haven’t managed to push any original analysis. You sheep FOS onto iamperfection, sheep vote onto tube, and sheep FOS onto me. Baaah. Where are your thoughts? Where are your cases? How have you contributed to town at all, even once? Is this like your constant bandwagonning, whimsical voting and incessant tunneling the entire game?
Day 1, you spend all your time flip-flopping your vote between iamperfection who you had constantly railed and backflipped to the whole day and YourHarry. (who you only decided to vote for after Hapahauli made his case) This was done in a manner of a person who doesn't care which person is lynched, which is heavily anti-town.
Day 2, more time spent flip-flopping between YourHarry and imperfection. This time, you spend a slight amount of time on Fulla's inactivity, while still heavily railing YourHarry and iamperfection. Afterwards, you continue your tunneling of iamperfection. You tthen decided to sheep drwiggl3s, while still tunneling YourHarry, only voting for drwiggl3s once he had 4 votes on him.
Day 3, yet more time spent tunneling iamperfection, only deciding to follow iamperfection in voting tube, after Hapahauli and Hopeless1der had already weighed in their suspicions of tube. This sudden flip-flop on your aggression towards iamperfection looks very suspicious, considering a mislynch in that scenario leads to MYLO the next day.
Or is this all a matter of convenience that you choose to overlook in pushing a more convenient 'case' against me? You've heavily sheeped iamperfection and YourHarry from the beginning, only changing your mind when someone else does makes an analysis that you conveniently borrow.
On July 26 2012 11:20 calgar wrote:The mafia targeting is partially WIFOM. The simplest shot would still have been to shoot YourHarry or you. Why didn’t they take the simplest? As you have the mindset, you'd have to tell me. I wouldn't know..
On July 26 2012 11:20 calgar wrote:Bolded the flaw? Lol you bolded the entire thing. I’m suspicious of you because you are acting suspicious. Where is the ‘flaw’ in that reasoning? Maybe you should bold this entire response too. I find it very suspicious that you mention mafia coaching, and it is weird you conveniently overlooked this part when quoting my response to you. I guess you slipped when trying to make a case against me.
On July 26 2012 11:20 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 09:55 Speedbump wrote:
To answer your flawed analysis there; unless the player pre-replacement plays exceptionally poorly, I don't think that the replacement has any onus of burden to defend himself overzealously, like you're implying. In fact, overzealous play causes more problems for town, with potential mislynches. Hmm. I guess I could just stop posting and try to help the town like you have. No onus? Did you conveniently forget the part where you disappeared for 48 hours? That means you do in fact have a burden, especially this late in the game. Honestly, what is town supposed to expect when you stop playing for that long? Why did you agree to replace if you were going to post that little? I have one explanation. Hmm. I guess I could just do what you've done the whole game, where you sheep and bandwagon your way to a mafia victory. I'm sure you conveniently just dropped in the disappeared for 48 hours to take any possible heat off of you, instead of acting on you explanations.
If I had the clairvoyance that you're pompously demanding I need, I wouldn't have agreed to sign up. The only 'burden' I have is responding to your false and biased fallacies, and the only onus I have is to help town in whichever way I can do so.
Of course, you can also claim you have an explanation as to why I have to answer to your presumptuousness. Which, ironically, you don't bother posting.
On July 26 2012 11:20 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 09:55 Speedbump wrote:
But then, when one is reckless and grasping at straws the whole game, it would be easier to make more brash and reckless assumptions to mislynch and win. Have you got anything substantial to go on, or is this all purely WIFOM?
FoS calgar Have you got any contributions to make to town or are you going to purely sheep the rest of the game? Are you going to try to pawn off the sheeping tag to me because you don't want people to know you've done it all game?
[spoiler=@Hapahauli]On July 26 2012 12:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2012 11:57 Speedbump wrote:On July 26 2012 10:55 Hapahauli wrote:On July 26 2012 09:55 Speedbump wrote:
Bolded the logical flaw I see in your post. It's much easier to make assumptions about how replacements play, instead of actually playing the game. To answer your flawed analysis there; unless the player pre-replacement plays exceptionally poorly, I don't think that the replacement has any onus of burden to defend himself overzealously, like you're implying. In fact, overzealous play causes more problems for town, with potential mislynches.
But then, when one is reckless and grasping at straws the whole game, it would be easier to make more brash and reckless assumptions to mislynch and win. Have you got anything substantial to go on, or is this all purely WIFOM?
FoS calgar Calgar's suspicions are pretty reasonable, and its inexcusable for a player to not post for 48 hours when the town's at MYLO. You claim your internet cut out, but you were pretty quick to defend yourself when people started calling you out. You also spend more time decrying Calgar's "flawed analysis" than actually analyzing his case. Hell, I haven't seen you analyze well... anything since you joined. On July 26 2012 11:20 calgar wrote:Nice of you to rejoin the thread. How convenient that your internet comes up in time to address the case against you. So, no fulla case then huh. You said it would come in 2-3 hours. Then the next day you say it’s not there but still coming that night. Then you come back after 2 days. You could have posted from your phone. So that makes no case still. You’re on your phone, you woke up late, your internet went down while making your case. That’s convenient. NK happens to be on the guy you promised your case on, also convenient. Convenient that you can still be unaccountable. Sounds like you’ve got lots of excuses but haven’t managed to push any original analysis. You sheep FOS onto iamperfection, sheep vote onto tube, and sheep FOS onto me. Baaah. Where are your thoughts? Where are your cases? How have you contributed to town at all, even once? The mafia targeting is partially WIFOM. The simplest shot would still have been to shoot YourHarry or you. Why didn’t they take the simplest? Bolded the flaw? Lol you bolded the entire thing. I’m suspicious of you because you are acting suspicious. Where is the ‘flaw’ in that reasoning? Maybe you should bold this entire response too. On July 26 2012 09:55 Speedbump wrote:
To answer your flawed analysis there; unless the player pre-replacement plays exceptionally poorly, I don't think that the replacement has any onus of burden to defend himself overzealously, like you're implying. In fact, overzealous play causes more problems for town, with potential mislynches. Hmm. I guess I could just stop posting and try to help the town like you have. No onus? Did you conveniently forget the part where you disappeared for 48 hours? That means you do in fact have a burden, especially this late in the game. Honestly, what is town supposed to expect when you stop playing for that long? Why did you agree to replace if you were going to post that little? I have one explanation. On July 26 2012 09:55 Speedbump wrote:
But then, when one is reckless and grasping at straws the whole game, it would be easier to make more brash and reckless assumptions to mislynch and win. Have you got anything substantial to go on, or is this all purely WIFOM?
FoS calgar Have you got any contributions to make to town or are you going to purely sheep the rest of the game? @Hapahauli and calgar: So what you're claiming is that I would somehow lie about internet connections being disconnected, and then conspicuously re-appear when I defend myself? Would you say the same thing if I re-appeared and I wasn't in the situation of defending myself? I find it odd that people tend to misconstrue things that happen with unfortunate timings with less trepidation than is due. Matter of fact is, my net cut out for two days. This was both my mobile internet and the wifi at the backpackers I was staying at during the time. There was literally nothing I can do about that. If you want to overlook hunting for mafia to rail at me for not having an internet connection at the time, then town will lose. Even if we ignore your 48 hour break, you still haven't done anything resembling analysis. Furthermore, this is the second time you're bandwagonning on the suspicion du jour - first Tube and now Calgar. The fact that tube didn't make any defence of himself made it very hard to know whether or not we would be able to read him as anything other than mafia. I made my vote on him as a "please explain" vote, but there was no explanation. My suspicions of tube were that he was an overwhelmed mafia who was trying to save his scum buddies, until he flipped.
My analysis of calgar is not "bandwagonning on the suspicion du jour". I believe that calgar is very suspicious, constantly obfuscating any progress in the game through constant tunneling and sheeping. His voting pattern is based off of bandwagonning and sheeping, and I would be surprised if he flipped town. I believe that his 'case' against me is nothing more than a desire to take pressure away from himself after his scummy-looking voting. He's done it 3 days in a row, and if he tries to sheep me, then he would be doing it 4 days in a row.
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EBWODP: Formatting fail. I will repost this if the formatting looks too messy.
Also, please note that my timezone is GMT+10. Do not expect me to be online between 11pm-7am AEST (9am-5pm EST), as I have phone calls and interviews throughout playing this game. I will try to post before I go to sleep, which will be around 10pm AEST (8am EST), but I will more likely respond at 7:30am AEST (5:30pm EST)
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I still find calgar suspicious. His response when drwiggle was about to get lynched is definitely scummy. And he switched when it was obvious that drwiggle was going to get lynched regardless, and he made this "oh i am going to switch now" type of post.
And then he' started attacking the lurker in speedbump, who calgar could have thought would have gave up without much defense. And for the most part, I buy speedbump's defense. I will have to re-read though.
Thoughts?
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I read both speedbump's and mufaa's filters. They don't have many posts, which makes it difficult to base reads on, but overall I think I am leaning town. Though his excuse with losing internet for 48 hours does seem like it could have been engineered. My guess at scums:
Calgar
Iamperfection
Calgar's busses iamperfection early, but never follows through with it. I may have missed why calgar suddenly changed his view on iamperfection though.
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You still haven’t posted any analysis or reads besides your OMGUS. Any of that coming anytime? Why don't you post some of you reads?
You’ve got a lot of excuses; we’ve established that and can move on for now. It looks like you’ve done a rash job of rehashing my posts.
On July 26 2012 14:09 Speedbump wrote:
Day 1, you spend all your time flip-flopping your vote between iamperfection who you had constantly railed and backflipped to the whole day and YourHarry. (who you only decided to vote for after Hapahauli made his case) This was done in a manner of a person who doesn't care which person is lynched, which is heavily anti-town.
You’ve oversimplified the situation here without understanding the reasoning. Why didn’t you mention the most important part of day 1 - trying to avoid mislynching obvious? That was why I changed my vote. I already explained that entirely to jingle in two extremely long posts. I cared about trying to get obvious off the lynching blocks – he didn’t help himself by giving up and disappearing.
Day 2, more time spent flip-flopping between YourHarry and imperfection. This time, you spend a slight amount of time on Fulla's inactivity, while still heavily railing YourHarry and iamperfection. Afterwards, you continue your tunneling of iamperfection. You tthen decided to sheep drwiggl3s, while still tunneling YourHarry, only voting for drwiggl3s once he had 4 votes on him.
Fulla was lurking and needed to be pressured, why is this noteworthy? Tunneling iamperfection while focusing on others? That’s not what the word means; you’ve repeatedly misused it. You’re misusing sheep also which makes reading this annoying. Everyone was on iamperfection for very suspicious posting behavior. He has admitted that himself. Yeah I had a case on harry, so did hapa. We backed off when he was confirmed. What’s your point here? I’ve tried to be aggressive and make cases, yes. Have I done a good job? No, considering 2 are left I’d say none of town has.
Day 3, yet more time spent tunneling iamperfection, only deciding to follow iamperfection in voting tube, after Hapahauli and Hopeless1der had already weighed in their suspicions of tube. This sudden flip-flop on your aggression towards iamperfection looks very suspicious, considering a mislynch in that scenario leads to MYLO the next day.
Everyone agreed that tube was suspicious. He gave up and quit so he’s the only one to blame here. Iamperfection has also been suspicious and suspected all game. What’s your point here? You’re rehashing reads that I’ve made when you haven’t made one all game.
Or is this all a matter of convenience that you choose to overlook in pushing a more convenient 'case' against me? You've heavily sheeped iamperfection and YourHarry from the beginning I’d think I’d be more guilty of sheeping jingle and hapa this game then these two… ??
only changing your mind when someone else does makes an analysis that you conveniently borrow I’ve posted my fair amount of original analysis. Something that you have yet to do, as I’ve noted.
I find it very suspicious that you mention mafia coaching, and it is weird you conveniently overlooked this part when quoting my response to you. I guess you slipped when trying to make a case against me. You’ve entirely missed this point so I’ll say it again. Replacement town is a liability for mafia because as a general game trend the replacement is given BOTD. The mafia coach is certainly aware of this (which is why I mention it) which would mean you would be a very attractive target for mafia to hit. WIFOM or not, they passed up the top 2 targets, of which you are one.
the only onus I have is to help town in whichever way I can do so. How have you contributed to the town?
On July 26 2012 18:20 YourHarry wrote:
Calgar's busses iamperfection early, but never follows through with it. I may have missed why calgar suddenly changed his view on iamperfection though.
I've posted a whole lot on this, Harry. It's all through my filter, how have you missed it? That whole temporary solution thing if he sheeped jingle?
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On July 21 2012 04:38 calgar wrote:
I'll agree with you that drwiggles is a good lynch right now. Is he better than harry though? I'm planning to move my vote away from iamperfection - I may have come up with a solution to him, I'll post more on that in a little. Harry under fire has given us good reads on how several people have reacted.
On July 23 2012 05:24 calgar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 05:19 iamperfection wrote:On July 23 2012 04:43 tube wrote:
I said more than that. Did i play the best no (even though the perfect one made 2 perfect reads on jingle and yourharry before anyone else) but im gonna at least im gonna go down swinging. If your town join in the conversation even if you dont agree with the other people are saying. As far as I'm concerned you piled your vote onto YourHarry and doubted jingle's motives until well after he claimed JK with the crumb... How does that constitute a 'perfect read' - it had to be spelled out for you. You were pretty far from the truth in both cases.
Its funny that you would make fun of me saying that my read had to be spelled out for me when we look back it seems it wasen't so obvious at the time for you. Why is that Mr. Calgar? This as other pointed out is a scum slip in my eyes.
the first post is the most daming evidence against you and i will be very reluctant following any type of case you put forth. Calgar is scum and my eyes and we should lynch him and move forward from there.
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On July 27 2012 06:01 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 04:38 calgar wrote:
I'll agree with you that drwiggles is a good lynch right now. Is he better than harry though? I'm planning to move my vote away from iamperfection - I may have come up with a solution to him, I'll post more on that in a little. Harry under fire has given us good reads on how several people have reacted. Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 05:24 calgar wrote:On July 23 2012 05:19 iamperfection wrote:On July 23 2012 04:43 tube wrote:
I said more than that. Did i play the best no (even though the perfect one made 2 perfect reads on jingle and yourharry before anyone else) but im gonna at least im gonna go down swinging. If your town join in the conversation even if you dont agree with the other people are saying. As far as I'm concerned you piled your vote onto YourHarry and doubted jingle's motives until well after he claimed JK with the crumb... How does that constitute a 'perfect read' - it had to be spelled out for you. You were pretty far from the truth in both cases. Its funny that you would make fun of me saying that my read had to be spelled out for me when we look back it seems it wasen't so obvious at the time for you. Why is that Mr. Calgar? This as other pointed out is a scum slip in my eyes. the first post is the most daming evidence against you and i will be very reluctant following any type of case you put forth. Calgar is scum and my eyes and we should lynch him and move forward from there. Well, I've written what I've written so nothing I can do about it now. I didn't mean for it to be intended that way and switched my vote fast enough to convince jingle of my innocence.
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After so much death the old folks got back into the swing of things. The bridge game was entertaining, the price was always right and the prune plentiful. Being old sucks, like really. It is just so damn tiring, so the old bastards decided to take an afternoon nap. Sure there were murderers about but sleep is just so nice.
Everyone feel asleep
It is now night Time. Please send me your actions as soon as possible. Deadline will be at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) tomorow. I will try and get one of my cohosts to do it for me because I will be busy as all hell. My brother turns 21 tomorrow 
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On July 27 2012 05:28 calgar wrote:
You still haven’t posted any analysis or reads besides your OMGUS. Any of that coming anytime? Why don't you post some of you reads?
Calgar, are we reading the same posts here? Speedbump posted some pretty damning evidence against you, and you brush it off as "OMGUS." I mean look at this:
On July 26 2012 14:09 Speedbump wrote:Day 1, you spend all your time flip-flopping your vote between iamperfection who you had constantly railed and backflipped to the whole day and YourHarry. (who you only decided to vote for after Hapahauli made his case) This was done in a manner of a person who doesn't care which person is lynched, which is heavily anti-town. Day 2, more time spent flip-flopping between YourHarry and imperfection. This time, you spend a slight amount of time on Fulla's inactivity, while still heavily railing YourHarry and iamperfection. Afterwards, you continue your tunneling of iamperfection. You tthen decided to sheep drwiggl3s, while still tunneling YourHarry, only voting for drwiggl3s once he had 4 votes on him.Day 3, yet more time spent tunneling iamperfection, only deciding to follow iamperfection in voting tube, after Hapahauli and Hopeless1der had already weighed in their suspicions of tube. This sudden flip-flop on your aggression towards iamperfection looks very suspicious, considering a mislynch in that scenario leads to MYLO the next day.
That's some pretty serious stuff here that warrants a serious response.
Also, I found this quote amusing:
On July 26 2012 03:54 calgar wrote:
My play has definitely been reckless. I’ve been aggressive and posted reads and made mistakes. That’s been the same all game long. I was grasping at straws when I tried to read in hopeless, kind of like with my attempted meta-analysis of iamperfection. Here’s my new case.
I haven't seen you take one controversial issue all game. Speedbump does a great job of pointing this out - you've piggybacked off other people's suspicions/cases (often mine) for the last few days. Furthermore, the only consistent case you've made (against iamperfection) you've wildly flip-flopped attitudes on.
I suggest you start defending yourself.
##Vote Calgar
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uhhh you know its currently Night, right Hapa?
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(its for dramatic effect)
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When's the deadline. Is it in 9 minutes?
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On July 28 2012 07:51 YourHarry wrote:
When's the deadline. Is it in 9 minutes?
Didn't it already pass. I think we have been forsaken.
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All right. So, I don't expect to die tonight, but if I am dead, I just want to make this clear:
Calgar is town.
I am very sure of it. No, I am not a detective.
I don't expect to die because I think scums would let calgar and I live. That was my plan yesterday, after-all. I wanted to make it apparent that I suspect calgar, and that I am willing and ready to vote and lynch calgar.
It's true. Earlier in the game, I was actually very suspicious of Calgar (when I had a suspicion of Calgar/Jingle scum team). But I realized that the biggest case I had against him was Calgar's lack of suspicion of Jingle's claim that Jingle jailed Calgar based on the fact that Calgar did not receive "roleblocked" notification. But clearly, it is not hard to accept that calgar simply did not think about this.
On the other hand: Our moderator profusely apologized for not sending out the "roleblocked" notification to the townies. Now, since we know that Jingle is town, we know that he actually roleblocked Calgar. So I think this pretty much confirms that Calgar is town. I will explain this more later if I am alive
I am out of time.
Moderator, scums can't switch their vote after the deadline, correct?
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Scums better shouldn't be able to change their kill.
OMG. But I just realized the possibility of scums sending in "no kill". Probably not though, they already have the upper hand in this game as 2 scums out of 5 players mean that a single townie mistake = scum victory.
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