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Protactinium
Canada550 Posts
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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Q-bert-Z
United States75 Posts
My friends have been very excited as of late! I think I might be excited too! I am sad because I thought that Kurumi might have been a brother, and a friend of the cause, but things look rather grim for him now. It seems like everyone is set on taking a day off from work because of this though, and we musn't do that, for the work we need to accomplish is great, and the toil with which we must labor is heavy. I'm very worried that we will stop working because the lynches seem to be set up for the next few days! (The Fool has made good points about the Silly Guy, but I have not yet looked into the records kept on the Silly Guy. I will write to you about this more in the future.) I do wish they would all stop talking about it so much, and move the discussion onto more relevant matters, such as those who have called for a quick execution for Kurumi. I'm sure you saw this before, and had a hearty laugh. Again, I'm sure you understood this well before me, but please allow me to speak my thoughts to you anyways. We must lynch someone today, and while we have a few suspects, Kurumi is an excellent lynch! If we were to shoot him, we would have a much riskier lynch (though the Silly Man might make it less risky), and since the scoundrels at the top have yet to remove each-other's masks, we would gain very little information from the lynch. The only reasonable thing to do is to save the shot for someone else, and lynch Kurumi! Another idea, which I briefly entertained, but ultimately decided wasn't as Fool proof, was to proof The Fool. Lynch The Silly Guy, then we can see if The Fool is actually playing his game, and scum hunting. It might be useful to protect him if he's playing his game. I would love to hear your thoughts on this, as I think it a decent idea, though not quite as good as that which is mentioned above. Yours, -Q | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Your explanation makes no sense. Your defense is you wanted to align with a third party? How is that a defense? Syllogism The best way to look at this is by placing the posts in order and seeing the progression so here we go. My original post (3rd one in the thread) suggested some ideas about how we could expect this game to be different to others. The idea was to get people discussing stuff (Klicky) I then have a back and forth with QBertz about this and his posting and I clarify my intent here On July 16 2012 16:05 Probulous wrote: Then Syllo pops into the thread here, here and here before even mentioning me. When he does mention me this is his postIt is not that those reads are necessarily accurate but they are something of substance to hold people to. The alternative is a wasted Day 1. A simple example would be if I found you suspicious Day 1 and the dropped all suspicion of you Day 2. In a normal game that might get brushed off but the mechanics of this setup mean that this becomes far more important. On July 16 2012 19:09 syllogism wrote: My thoughts are that I would like to lynch you for this post. This reads like someone wanting to seem like they are contributing, but you are a smart person so you should know there is no reason to post something like this on day 1. You are basically announcing beforehand what you will consider mafia behavior and as town there is little reason to do that as you specifically want mafia to act according to your expectations. Why now? Well because right before that I wrote thisOn July 16 2012 19:03 Probulous wrote: He clearly only responded to me because I prodded him. This gives me the impression that he either didn't read my post beforehand, or he didn't think it was a big deal until someone prodded him. I mean why ignore me for so long if you think I am mafia based on my second post? Surely if you are town you want people to lynch the people you think are scum but he only mentions his target when his target asks him for his thoughts? In addition his accusation is ...@Syllo your input would be great too! My thoughts are that I would like to lynch you for this post Not that I am mafia, but that he thinks I should be lynched. It isn't guns blazing forthright determination. It is simply a soft FOS. His whole case was You are basically announcing beforehand what you will consider mafia behavior and as town there is little reason to do that as you specifically want mafia to act according to your expectations Which makes no sense from a scum agenda point of view. At least I fail to see why mafia would be pushing this line of thinking unless they planned on randomly picking someone and tunneling them. Well as we know they are more likely to pick mafia accidently in this setup than a normal setup so it is a bad idea for mafia. I asked Syllo to clarify his intent in my next postOn July 16 2012 19:13 Probulous wrote: I find it highly unlikely that mafia will be pushing strong reads day 1 given the setup. For two reasons, one they may be pushing one of their own, two they will be held accountable. So my thinking was to out to the thread so people are aware of it. Yes mafia are too but all this does is limit their options. How exactly does this help me further my agenda if I am mafia? To which I get silence. No response nothing. His entire case was that single sentence. He never commented on my other posts. I had a lot of back and forth with Qbertz, Chez and BH including a soft accusation on BH but that doesn't warrant a second look? Then when Foolishness picks up on this he responds with On July 17 2012 06:46 syllogism wrote: Foolishness you are again distorting my posts when you say I didn't "elaborate" why I thought probulous should be lynched based on his post; I explained quite clearly in the very post why his post was suspicious. What do you think about about the post? Why do you think that, if I'm mafia, I wouldn't vote for probulous? You didn't elaborate at all, even when I asked you too. I mean yes, I could be mafia and so you could just ignore me. however, it is likely I am not the only one who thought you case needed more work. In fact the distinct lack of vote from you and no real push from anyone else would suggest that it is not a strong case. So if you wanted me dead you would need to elaborate. Now to the crux of the issue. Why you would do this as mafia? Well you didn't need to vote for me. You had managed to discredit my opinion already. You know your case is weak, hence the lack of vote or follow up on it. So you settle for throwing doubt on me. This makes no sense from a town point of view. If you really thought I was mafia you would push me as a lynch, but you didn't. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On July 17 2012 08:59 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: SUP ALL *GASP* He doesn't know... | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
I know...I've evacuated the office in anticipation of his rage. :/ Don't worry though, they're all off the clock anyway since the whole "Kurumi Scandal" as it's becoming known. Probulous will you do me a favor and read over marvellosity's filter and tell me what you see? I'm noticing a distinct lack of "marv", but I want a second pair of eyes. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Summed up, he doesn't care. Half his posts are essentially "whatever" which is not what I want in my Marv. Compare his indifference here to his rage last game. My problem is that he was engaged with the thread in LV when he was scum so I am not sure what to make of his lack of investment in this game. I'll take a closer look and see if I find anything. | ||
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
##NUKE: Kurumi | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
I'm trying to imagine the scenario...there are several things to consider. Firstly, we've never seen marvel as scum with no information. Like, would he act as he would as a townie? Would he act differently because he's scum regardless of not having more info? I have no idea, but his lack of concern is troubling. Do you think syllogism is scum? Your summary seemed to imply it but I want you to SAY it if you don't mind. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 17 2012 09:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: VIVA LA NUKES ##NUKE: Kurumi NUCLEAR FANTASY | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [WARNING lots of quotes] + On July 16 2012 19:19 marvellosity wrote: Meh, if one of their own did something deserving to be pushed heavily I'd be happy to do the bus. On July 16 2012 21:13 marvellosity wrote:So you're proposing a plan you admit has a lower chance of lynching mafia than analysis. Fabulous. On July 16 2012 21:20 marvellosity wrote: Why don't you share with the class, Palmar On July 16 2012 21:24 marvellosity wrote: That's because you're proposing plans with a lower chance of hitting mafia by your own admission and no apparent upsides. Carry on then On July 17 2012 06:25 marvellosity wrote: wbg is like confirmed town so whatever On July 17 2012 06:27 marvellosity wrote: Na he said he was town in bolded black instead of bolded green like he has been doing On July 17 2012 06:33 marvellosity wrote: meh whatever On July 17 2012 06:38 marvellosity wrote: well it doesn't really matter does it, i didn't think and now it's there and there's nothing i can do about it. why doesn't everyone talk about something else and what will be will be This is just WTF? On July 17 2012 06:41 marvellosity wrote: You can call Fool lots of stuff but bad is not one of them. yeah mainly i'm just gonna lurk now if i don't get modkilled. Foolishness is bad if he thinks i'm scum | ||
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
*takes of second mask* Q, I understand that your point. Why post-pone our work when we can finish the lynch early and get straight back to work. Kurumi does seem to be the correct candidate given that he is intimidating those who had been quite shy to start communicating. His | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On July 17 2012 09:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Factor in that if he's scum he doesn't know who his partners are. I'm trying to imagine the scenario...there are several things to consider. Firstly, we've never seen marvel as scum with no information. Like, would he act as he would as a townie? Would he act differently because he's scum regardless of not having more info? I have no idea, but his lack of concern is troubling. Do you think syllogism is scum? Your summary seemed to imply it but I want you to SAY it if you don't mind. ROFL OK then. SYLLOGISM IS SCUM I just think Kurumi is a safer lynch. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7466 Posts
Legendary, are you still capable of following your orders before you die? | ||
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Q-bert-Z
United States75 Posts
On July 17 2012 09:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: VIVA LA NUKES ##NUKE: Kurumi Oh dear. Someone seems to have not read my letter to Walton. I did make it public for a reason. Assuming that you have a nuke, it really should have been directed at someone else. The fact that you didn't consult your fellow workers is upsetting. Unless you are in fact one of those evil monsters staring down at us. 0_0 !!! In either case, I do hope there are no more nukes fired, I would hate for the world to die from radiation poisoning. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 17 2012 09:46 Probulous wrote: ROFL OK then. SYLLOGISM IS SCUM I just think Kurumi is a safer lynch. If I had any hope of not getting killed I would try to bite back, but I have no hope. I am town and I swear it. | ||
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