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Last we knew, PMs could include names, but not alignment:
On July 06 2012 09:28 Protactinium wrote:
Not 100% on this atm but currently the rule is they can't give absolute statements, just orders. i,e no 'players x y z are not mafia, get them killed,' just, 'harass player x.' If they are blatant about trying to give out teammates then they'll be censored. Given enough time executives might figure out ways to smuggle information past the censors but it won't be without risk. There may be other mechanics in place to interfere with such play if it is tried.
There are redundancy factors in place for communication once someone dies but they will be less than normal. In normal games the town wants to prioritize certain mafia to eliminate powers (especially in PYP games) or reduce kp. As eliminating mafia will not reduce kp here, the focus should be geared at disrupting communication by removing the executives.
Protact said he wasn't 100%, but "harass player x" sounds like about what that message says. Even the people it says to attack, it says "attack these 4" and not "attack these 4 players that aren't mafia." Besides, Palmar is in there so we know it's not 4 town names.
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Reminder to myself: Go back through thread and check on people who repeatedly mention how chaotic the game is.
If these PMs are true then scum would want us to feel like the thread is chaotic. I noticed that a lot of people were using that specific word which was odd to me because I don't find the thread is chaotic at all. Big yes, but Chaos no. Given it was mentioned was a strategy here it may be a way of them staying on message and outing themselves to each other.
Hunch but worth looking into.
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I may be overly optimistic, but I think the game is solved and will make a post after the flip.
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On July 27 2012 08:17 Probulous wrote:
Reminder to myself: Go back through thread and check on people who repeatedly mention how chaotic the game is.
If these PMs are true then scum would want us to feel like the thread is chaotic. I noticed that a lot of people were using that specific word which was odd to me because I don't find the thread is chaotic at all. Big yes, but Chaos no. Given it was mentioned was a strategy here it may be a way of them staying on message and outing themselves to each other.
Hunch but worth looking into.
gonzaw and Katina come to mind. Mostly gonzaw.
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risk has done it too (not sure he used the word 'chaotic'). There were also a couple of people actually discussing it reasonably early day 1. Too early for PMs?
Just read some of not themed. gonzaw's level of aggression and swearing seems more akin to his mafia defence than his town defence.
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On July 27 2012 02:00 austinmcc wrote:
Also, if the commuter role is present, that's another reason for the lack of NK last night.
(1) some form of protection
(2) scum didn't send in a kill (missed it OR thought all targets sent were mafia)
(3) kill sent in on a commuter who was gone that night
(4) roleblock on the chairman of the board, IF that would stop the NK in this setup
Subtle implication that Syllo is mafia.
Austin what do you think this actually means? Syllo was shot but here you suggest a way the block would happen with him being mafia. It seems unlikely that scum would shoot their commuter unless they are on opposite sides of the hierachy which would mean mean Syllo is working for the department of marketing. It's possible but unlikely given how he has played so why post this here?
Why did you post this without explaining the implications...
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Probey, fairly early day 1, so not sure how relevant:
On July 16 2012 15:09 Q-bert-Z wrote:
Walton, are you the Batman?
Rest of you: Mafia have an advantage in numbers. We need to find a way to use this against them. They also have a disadvantage in communication, and we need to make sure we exploit that as much as possible.
A few ideas coming to mind: Large numbers will make it slightly easier to lynch a mafia, as long as we can keep communication to a minimum with them. They can only send one message a day, so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful.
Remember, they can't organize and respond to lynches effectively like a normal mafia.
On July 16 2012 15:16 Chezinu wrote:##Vote EchelonTeeI wonder if this works... Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:When you say so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful. What exactly do you mean? Chaos in order of course... No, I'm a fellow employee whom's job is to instruct you on your articulation skills. The content of the matter is quite meaningless to me. I just need to make sure to follow orders first and complete my job second.
On July 16 2012 15:33 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 15:25 Probulous wrote:On July 16 2012 15:16 Chezinu wrote:##Vote EchelonTeeI wonder if this works... On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:When you say so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful. What exactly do you mean? Chaos they are in the same boat as us right now. uhz they are.. yeah... what if they blame us for the PCP??? Throw it over board now!!! Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 15:25 Probulous wrote:On July 16 2012 15:16 Chezinu wrote:##Vote EchelonTeeI wonder if this works... On July 16 2012 15:12 Probulous wrote:When you say so we should try to create an environment that is shifting too much for that message to be useful. What exactly do you mean? Chaos Why would a chaotic environment help? Surely the opposite, where people are clear about who they think is scum and why, is much better for finding inconsistencies. Qbert, can you explain your thoughts please? Not pure Chaos... seemingly chaotic.. chaos for the mafia but order for the town. finding the right balance is quite an art form. You see... there really is no chaos.... it's just a very very complex event that can't be comprehended easily. The trick is to learn complex order so that the illusion of chaos is eliminated. let me give you an illustration to portray my point.. Let's discuss gray issues.. some people believe they exist and that not everything is black and white. Well, I say it's their perception that need some tinkering. ![[image loading]](http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/9480/brownandgray.png) Ctrl+Scroll to find the answer you are looking for..
On July 16 2012 22:17 austinmcc wrote:Ummmm, did nobody read iGrok's game? Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 18:19 Palmar wrote:
Supporting an RNG lynch is not a bad idea. It's a net gain for town, as long as you settle the target early enough. It will actually help a lot trying to figure out what really is going on in the game. It creates an unusual situation that most people aren't sure how to react to, and it's in an unstable environment it's easiest to catch mafia. The point is that you can't really explain that in the thread (hence why I didn't) because as soon as everyone realizes you're meant to argue about whether you actually follow through with the random lynch, instead of just executing it, everyone will start thinking about it like a normal case based on analysis, and the advantage will have been lost.
I'm hoping some of you remember this for future games, I've yet to successfully push through the idea of a RL because of it's inherent flaw that you can't explain it. It's like why arguing about LAL is dumb as shit. As soon as you argue about it, you've given people an excuse to lie. You just shut your stupid face and say that it's a 100% solid policy and liars WILL be lynched, while secretly keeping yourself in check and being ready to go against that position.
Anyway, enough about how to play mafia. The %s may be higher here, but a random lynch still isn't anything but a discussion-generator. That game was 2 scum 1 SK 8 town, 3/11 or 27% chance to hit non-town on a random lynch. This is 9/27, 33% chance. Not higher enough to really matter. I like the discussion of causing chaos to mess with mafia, to some extent. Just like with the Sleeper Cell games, this isn't normal mafia. Town have the numbers advantage, and, for now, are more or less on even footing information-wise. Scum don't have an advantage UNTIL they get organized. Some forms of being chaotic would be equally harmful to both factions, other forms would be more harmful to town (higher numbers). However, I don't support trying to cause chaos, because we don't know (and can't know) when mafia will get organized. We can speculate all we want about how many cycles it could take, and how each of us would communicate with mafia underlings were we CEO (see sleeper cell...II? for message speculation), but, especially given the vague comments about censoring messages made by hosts, we just don't know whether mafia can get fully organized, or how long that would take. At some point, IF they can organize, any chaos we cause only hurts town and no longer hurts mafia. Not good.
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On July 27 2012 08:26 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 02:00 austinmcc wrote:
Also, if the commuter role is present, that's another reason for the lack of NK last night.
(1) some form of protection
(2) scum didn't send in a kill (missed it OR thought all targets sent were mafia)
(3) kill sent in on a commuter who was gone that night
(4) roleblock on the chairman of the board, IF that would stop the NK in this setup Subtle implication that Syllo is mafia. Austin what do you think this actually means? Syllo was shot but here you suggest a way the block would happen with him being mafia. It seems unlikely that scum would shoot their commuter unless they are on opposite sides of the hierachy which would mean mean Syllo is working for the department of marketing. It's possible but unlikely given how he has played so why post this here? Why did you post this without explaining the implications... THere have been a lot of instances this game where we've leapt to conclusions. There have been a lot of things that we thought we knew, but didn't (Kurumi was going to get nuked D1, Kurumi was mafia, you thinking Chez knew your role, Foolishness shot claims, mole crap, etc.).
I'm assuming (1) is the most likely, (2) maybe second-likely. But I think it's worth pointing out all the possible options. Like, I didn't even put "Syllo is scum and commuter," because IF (3) were the case, we don't know that commuter is mafia. Town could have a commuter, mafia could have the name of the role through a fake claim, and have been adding it to the list of possible roles hoping that the traitor breadcrumbs himself as a commuter and outs himself.
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Coolios.
Just reread my filter and think through it, we are in a great position. Hopefully this vacation isn't a janitor thing or whatever, that would be ultimate sucks. Good luck guys!
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Meapak's bizarre rastaban case now makes sense. His whole case was that rastaban was being wishy-washy yet he kept plugging it without really pushing for his lynch. It was a distraction case. Very similar to Palmar's Day 1 push of Meapak. The fact that Meapak never really expanded on it (his Day 2 stuff was much of the same) and has continually soft pushed it also fits.
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On July 27 2012 08:41 slOosh wrote:
Coolios.
Just reread my filter and think through it, we are in a great position. Hopefully this vacation isn't a janitor thing or whatever, that would be ultimate sucks. Good luck guys!
This post screams too much information. If you get janitored, I think it's still likely that you aren't the traitor and I am going to proceed based on that assumption.
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On July 27 2012 08:45 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 08:41 slOosh wrote:
Coolios.
Just reread my filter and think through it, we are in a great position. Hopefully this vacation isn't a janitor thing or whatever, that would be ultimate sucks. Good luck guys! This post screams too much information. If you get janitored, I think it's still likely that you aren't the traitor and I am going to proceed based on that assumption.
Of course you are. FUCKING OF COURSE
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On July 27 2012 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 08:45 syllogism wrote:On July 27 2012 08:41 slOosh wrote:
Coolios.
Just reread my filter and think through it, we are in a great position. Hopefully this vacation isn't a janitor thing or whatever, that would be ultimate sucks. Good luck guys! This post screams too much information. If you get janitored, I think it's still likely that you aren't the traitor and I am going to proceed based on that assumption. Of course you are. FUCKING OF COURSE
I wouldn't worry about it anyway, they would have janitored palmar, I think.
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i don't think they would.
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On July 27 2012 08:46 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 27 2012 08:45 syllogism wrote:On July 27 2012 08:41 slOosh wrote:
Coolios.
Just reread my filter and think through it, we are in a great position. Hopefully this vacation isn't a janitor thing or whatever, that would be ultimate sucks. Good luck guys! This post screams too much information. If you get janitored, I think it's still likely that you aren't the traitor and I am going to proceed based on that assumption. Of course you are. FUCKING OF COURSE I wouldn't worry about it anyway, they would have janitored palmar, I think.
They can't have a janitor - that would imply minions knowing who other scum are wouldn't it?
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it's easiert than you think :D he just claimed scum :D
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On July 27 2012 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 08:46 syllogism wrote:On July 27 2012 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 27 2012 08:45 syllogism wrote:On July 27 2012 08:41 slOosh wrote:
Coolios.
Just reread my filter and think through it, we are in a great position. Hopefully this vacation isn't a janitor thing or whatever, that would be ultimate sucks. Good luck guys! This post screams too much information. If you get janitored, I think it's still likely that you aren't the traitor and I am going to proceed based on that assumption. Of course you are. FUCKING OF COURSE I wouldn't worry about it anyway, they would have janitored palmar, I think. They can't have a janitor - that would imply minions knowing who other scum are wouldn't it? Could fire it off at random, as with stuff like BH's shot. But yeah, I think you're right here. If scum had a janitor, he would have been guessing, and I would think he'd use it on an earlier flip.
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On July 27 2012 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 08:46 syllogism wrote:On July 27 2012 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 27 2012 08:45 syllogism wrote:On July 27 2012 08:41 slOosh wrote:
Coolios.
Just reread my filter and think through it, we are in a great position. Hopefully this vacation isn't a janitor thing or whatever, that would be ultimate sucks. Good luck guys! This post screams too much information. If you get janitored, I think it's still likely that you aren't the traitor and I am going to proceed based on that assumption. Of course you are. FUCKING OF COURSE I wouldn't worry about it anyway, they would have janitored palmar, I think. They can't have a janitor - that would imply minions knowing who other scum are wouldn't it?
Same logic applies to a pardoner surely...
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On July 27 2012 08:50 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2012 08:48 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 27 2012 08:46 syllogism wrote:On July 27 2012 08:45 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 27 2012 08:45 syllogism wrote:On July 27 2012 08:41 slOosh wrote:
Coolios.
Just reread my filter and think through it, we are in a great position. Hopefully this vacation isn't a janitor thing or whatever, that would be ultimate sucks. Good luck guys! This post screams too much information. If you get janitored, I think it's still likely that you aren't the traitor and I am going to proceed based on that assumption. Of course you are. FUCKING OF COURSE I wouldn't worry about it anyway, they would have janitored palmar, I think. They can't have a janitor - that would imply minions knowing who other scum are wouldn't it? Same logic applies to a pardoner surely...
Not if we both have one...Janitor is exclusively beneficial to mafia.
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Thanks for reminding me slOosh, stay pro-town my man stay pro town!
##Vote slOosh
there doesn't seem to be a better option. You poor crazy craze employee!
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