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On July 23 2012 09:15 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 08:47 Probulous wrote:
I am an idiot. Move along.
Mattchew, do us a favour and stop tunnelling Katina. It makes you look like scum because that is all you ever do. This isn't an opinion on her alignment... And tunneling would mean I have no other opinions and refuse to vote for anyone else... She is my strongest scum read so no prob, I will not stop pushing her until that changes, and you should know better than to say something stupid like that
Your strongest scum read? Stronger than Palmar? Stronger than the guy who claimed 1-shot vig who can only shoot if no mafia has died in 1.5 cycle? There is no way she is your strongest read unless you are tunnelling or you are lying; i.e. you are mafia. Vote Palmar.
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On July 23 2012 09:32 layabout wrote:I still think we should lynch zealos. >>CLICK<< ##vote zealosI think it's worth bearing in mind that both Palmar and Foolishness expressed the opinion that syllogism is mafia and continued to do so. A large part of why syllogism was not a lynch candidate early on was that the players that know him well can easily tell his alignment after a few days. Why are people voting for Palmar? I haven't seen anything concrete.
What are you even trying to say here? You aren't even trying layabout. There have been numerous posts explaining the problems people have with palmar's play. Sandroba thought (knew) that Palmar is mafia and sandroba has flipped. He knows palmar very well, so just take his word on him since you are so eager to follow that line of thought?
Palmar isn't even trying anymore. It doesn't get much more obvious mafia than this.
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SYllogism you said that we should discuss Palmar but all you have done since then is tell people to vote for him. Your reasons did really go beyond this:
On July 19 2012 08:21 syllogism wrote:
Pretty sure palmar is mafia as well. Some of his posts are very reasonable and I even agree with the a lot of content, but his tone and attitude is off. He is also putting in as little effort as possible and basically ignoring me and sandroba despite even at one point calling sandroba confirmed town. Yes this is a very lazy "case" and he probably won't be a lynch candidate tomorrow.
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Actually layabout there is no way you are town after that post. I actually thought you were town for the post Palmar highlighted, but I guess you are just an "asshole" (palmar's words). In that post you manage to soft attack me, the main force pushing for Palmar lynch and you don't even reach a conclusion. Foolishness flipped mafia so how is his opinion relevant at all. You can't be that stupid as town.
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On July 23 2012 09:36 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 09:32 layabout wrote:I still think we should lynch zealos. >>CLICK<< ##vote zealosI think it's worth bearing in mind that both Palmar and Foolishness expressed the opinion that syllogism is mafia and continued to do so. A large part of why syllogism was not a lynch candidate early on was that the players that know him well can easily tell his alignment after a few days. Why are people voting for Palmar? I haven't seen anything concrete. What are you even trying to say here? You aren't even trying layabout. There have been numerous posts explaining the problems people have with palmar's play. Sandroba thought (knew) that Palmar is mafia and sandroba has flipped. He knows palmar very well, so just take his word on him since you are so eager to follow that line of thought? Palmar isn't even trying anymore. It doesn't get much more obvious mafia than this.
If there are post's then i am sure you can show me them.
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slOosh doesn't mention Foolishness at all until after the Day 1 lynch and then only comments on him. It's weird because he never discusses other cases or other targets. Anyway, his Night 1 opinion was clear.
On July 20 2012 11:46 slOosh wrote:
On Foolishness: many people (including sandroba!) think he is scum and I'm not seeing it. I'd have preferred if focused his energies on someone other than BM (opposed to other vets I would like better reads on such as Palmar, syllogism), but that's alignment null. So I've looked into BM to determine legitimacy of his read, which I find myself agreeing with and I'm surprised that BM has been so easily dismissed because people are hunting execs, because 1) mafia is mafia, so dismissing it purely on "hunt execs" makes no sense, and 2) to think an exec couldn't pretend to own his minion's power is a dangerous oversight. I think BM is trolling mafia as I don't see any town interest in his posts, opposed to Chezinu who is trolling but has a few posts in which he shows critical thought / town insights.
So here he has a townish read on Fool who he then follows with his case on BM (Klicky). So nothing here indicating suspicion of Foolishness at all.
Strangely he say Chez is trolling (excuse to ignore) but in a townie way. Ok, maybe that is a throw away line but thenOn July 21 2012 01:45 slOosh wrote:
Chezinu has been spouting a lot of nonsense, and the fact BM expects me to take such claims as serious and valid makes no sense, nor does it logically follow that my reads are flawed due to this. I merely said that a few posts of his seem insightful, but to take every post of his seriously is nonsense.
On July 21 2012 15:36 slOosh wrote:
Does Chezinu actually have confirmed powers or not? I've started off ok ignoring him but he has begun to seriously hamper thread legibility.
Which just makes people even less likely to read Chez. If you think Chez is town, why make excuses not to read his filter? Then comes this in his claim
On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote:
Prob is it clear from your role name what your ability is? Because from a minion perspective, the knowledge of someone's role is hard to use - even if you knew someone was blue you can only submit the name to CEO kill list, and outting something like that isn't a town thing to do in the first place. But I also thought he was some sort of messenger role?
How is this information useful to town? Knowing my entire role is only beneficial to mafia. Even if my role name suggests a mafia role, the fact that I have proven I have a role that has been useful to town should make it clear I am not mafia. Why is outing a role name not in town's benefit? I can tell you that my role name sounds like a mafia role but Chez took the time to examine my filter, to question me and to evaluate whether I am mafia based on my play. The fact that I think he is town because he didn't out me should be enough. Especially for someone who thinks Chez is town.
Note slOosh is not calling Chez scum but he is insinuating that I shouldn't trust him. I also find his statement that minions knowing blue roles is not useful for scum completely out of place. Correct me if I am wrong but a CEO who gets a list full of blues is going to be happier than if it was full of greens. Here is some more muck throwing at Chez
On July 22 2012 15:04 slOosh wrote:
Couldn't believe I'd pick up such an idea from Chezinu so I did some digging.
So slOosh
- Why is it that despite never mentioning anything negative about Foolishness AND agreeing with his case on BM you apparently shot him? Your point about VE arguing with Foolishness makes little sense because Bugs argued with Foolishness on night 1 but you completely ignored that.
- Why, despite thinking Chez is townie, do all your mentions of him discredit his posts and provide excuses for not reading his filter?
Note: I have disregarded the claim because well, it is a claim and others are providing insight into that.
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Layabout any idea why Foolishness decided to very clumsily defend Palmar on day 1? Even after people called him out once? And why do you think Palmar defended BH several times on day 1 and 2? In both instances the defenses were irrational, would you characterize Palmar and Foolishness irrational?
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On July 23 2012 09:41 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 09:36 syllogism wrote:On July 23 2012 09:32 layabout wrote:I still think we should lynch zealos. >>CLICK<< ##vote zealosI think it's worth bearing in mind that both Palmar and Foolishness expressed the opinion that syllogism is mafia and continued to do so. A large part of why syllogism was not a lynch candidate early on was that the players that know him well can easily tell his alignment after a few days. Why are people voting for Palmar? I haven't seen anything concrete. What are you even trying to say here? You aren't even trying layabout. There have been numerous posts explaining the problems people have with palmar's play. Sandroba thought (knew) that Palmar is mafia and sandroba has flipped. He knows palmar very well, so just take his word on him since you are so eager to follow that line of thought? Palmar isn't even trying anymore. It doesn't get much more obvious mafia than this. If there are post's then i am sure you can show me them.
This is the best summary in my opinion, thank me later
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15520504
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On July 23 2012 09:33 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 09:15 Mattchew wrote:On July 23 2012 08:47 Probulous wrote:
I am an idiot. Move along.
Mattchew, do us a favour and stop tunnelling Katina. It makes you look like scum because that is all you ever do. This isn't an opinion on her alignment... And tunneling would mean I have no other opinions and refuse to vote for anyone else... She is my strongest scum read so no prob, I will not stop pushing her until that changes, and you should know better than to say something stupid like that Your strongest scum read? Stronger than Palmar? Stronger than the guy who claimed 1-shot vig who can only shoot if no mafia has died in 1.5 cycle? There is no way she is your strongest read unless you are tunnelling or you are lying; i.e. you are mafia. Vote Palmar.
Pretty much this. Mattchew latched onto Katina early Day 1 and has never looked back. This is despite her pushing Foolishness AND providing insights into other people's play. She has given us plenty of reasons to think she might be town but Mattchew never considers this a possibility. Coupled with his refusal to entertain the idea that BH was mafia, I think his game plan from Day 1 was to pick a target and tunnel them until they get lynched. This gives him an excuse not to actively participate and hopefully (for him that is) get a townie misslynched.
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On July 23 2012 09:44 syllogism wrote:
Layabout any idea why Foolishness decided to very clumsily defend Palmar on day 1? Even after people called him out once? And why do you think Palmar defended BH several times on day 1 and 2? In both instances the defenses were irrational, would you characterize Palmar and Foolishness irrational?
I think Foolishness thought "Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1." and then it turned out not to be correct.
Palmar makes assertions like he did about BH frequently as both alignments. It's not helpful but it's something he does.
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lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D
I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town.
About sloosh/supersoft:
I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him.
I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh.
We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me.
Can both of you get confirmation that vigs waste their bullets if they shoot the same target?
If there is scum between them he'll have to fake that info, and depending on what they claims we can get a confirmed scum between them.
I don't really see the "I can only shoot 1.5 cycles after scum aren't dead" thing suspicious...since it's too odd to claim as scum.
Wouldn't it just be better for him to fake-claim regular vig as scum? Or a vig that can only start shooting from N2 onwards or something? Claiming something weird like that will only catch attention, as will fake-claiming that vig shot from the get-go.
On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Okay, went through some filters and found a few people who I think are Mafia.
Gonzaw: I noticed that in the two pages of his filter he complains a lot about the how much chaos is in the thread but yet he does nothing about it. Instead Gonzaw often goes off and comes back eventually posts something then gone again. He talks a lot about other players in the game but never hard pushes anyone. Gonzaw makes long posts that basically ramble on certain player and by the end I have forgotten what I have read. He tries to look useful with his posts but in the end they are just taking up space. He throws doubt around the town and takes off when he has done his job. I'm aware that he said he was away this weekend and can't be here to properly defend himself.
Layabout: He has two pages of filter as well. I think he is Mafia, something erks me about his filter this game. He mentions gonzaw early on and casts a vote on him for close to no reason. He didn't push his read on gonzaw and doesn't say anything about him after that. Instead he shifts his attention onto other people liks (Palmar, Kurumi, etc) and casts his vote on Kurumi. Now he's on Zealos. It seems that he is just going with the flow.
Meapak: Picks on easy targets for the most part. The only one he hard pushs is rastaban who hasn't been too active this game. He makes for an easy target. Meapak continues to push rastaban when it's clear that no one is going to go for it. His Mafia list is pretty meh, As I said the only hard read he has been pushing is rastaban to try and make it look like he's scum hunting so he doesn't draw too much suspicion.
risk.nuke: Doesn't have much in his filter. He starts off by agreeing with BH in the begining but then turns on him when BH starts taking fire. He sheep's along with bugs on his case against austin and jumps on board with Kurumi. The only case he has posted has been on BH, then he never follows up with it. Instead he goes on to post about me and Zealos being Mafia because he aren't suspicious of each other. He hasn't contributed anything useful to the town and doesn't seem to care that much.
Did you read the thread Katina? I already explained why I was posting like that on D1.
Some of the things you say don't make sense, you accuse me of things (I didn't do) when you've done them yourself.
Here:
I noticed that in the two pages of his filter he complains a lot about the how much chaos is in the thread but yet he does nothing about it
I didn't complain there was "much chaos"; I complained there was a lot to read and didn't have time to do it (albeit you could make the case "much to read"=="spam"=="chaos", but that's not what I was pointing out at the time).
Also, the thing you accuse ME of doing is the EXACT SAME THING you have been doing this game:
On July 18 2012 06:44 Katina wrote:
Geez, the thread is all over the place and so are the votes. Instead of focusing on one person to lynch there are several people being pushed for today's lynch.
There is no way there will be a Foolishness or a Sandroba lynch today. Syllogism, or Blazinghand is most likely at this point maybe Austin (depends on everyone else) Since WBG is pushing him pretty hard right now. Kurumi is getting nuked so that's a done deal. I feel like lots of people are trying to throw doubt around last minute here. Once night hits these people should be looked at (EX: austin, marv)
Right now both Syllogism and Blazinghand is near the top of my suspicion list and these two are the main candidates for lynch today. Blazinghand hasn't been around in for a bit while Syllogism has been here trying to defend himself and push his suspicions of Foolishness (Who is also scummy to me) I would like to give Syllo another day and see what happens. So I will be voting for Blazhinghand today. I'm sure enough about austin yet to consider him a lynch candidate today I will wait and see what happens later on.
##Unvote Kurumi
##Vote Blazinghand
Depending on his flip and who dies during the night hopefully we will have a more organized D2.
On July 19 2012 02:13 Katina wrote:
A no lynch huh? That's really pathetic town.
Syllogism don't you think to go after me and say I don't care because I wasn't around at lynch time. That says absolutely nothing about my alignment. You have done nothing but gone after people who think you are Mafia.
Within the last 8 hours people were bringing up random cases about numerous people for example:
WBG: brought in his case about austin. Really bugs? You should know better than that. Your behavoir has caused me to think you are Mafia. All the other games I have played in with you when it comes to lynch time you settle on a certain person and are incredibly stubborn to change your mind especially when theres risk of a no- lynch (I can vouch for this since I have tried numerous times to get you off my back and you didn't budge) Your votes were all over the place instead of trying to take charge and keep the thread focused like you usually do when you are town.
BM: You have been pretty absent for most of D1 then you come in before the lynch and try to stir things up even more (I didn't think that was even possible) You basically sheeped everyone, your votes moved all over the place as well between gonzaw and BH. I can't get a read on you because of your blatant lack of posting (until right before the deadline)
sandroba: I can say the same about you that I said to WBG. You switched your votes around so much as well and you really should know better. From what I know about your play is when you think someone is Mafia you are deadset on killing them. Much like bugs when he's town. You have accused probably 8 people this game of being Mafia D1.... That's not like you.
Mattchew: I will be post a case on you later. I'm pretty sure that you are Mafia. I still think Palmar is Mafia as well.
BH: I don't know why people are so wishy - washy about him. He's pretty scummy in his play. He never freaks out this much when he's about to die except when he's Mafia.
On July 19 2012 02:59 Katina wrote:
Syllogism you are making close to no sense right now. I have my read on Foolishness and I will give it to you once I am 1--% percent sure of it. Right now I am only 85% sure of his alignment.
This whole thread has been basically nit picking and calling each other out on stupid things instead of working as an actual town and killing the Mafia like it should be. I thought this was a game for "skilled" people not a game for little bitchy whiners.
On July 20 2012 11:10 Katina wrote:
This thread is so messy it's not even funny.
Here's what needs to happen:
Keep your votes on Kurumi. We are not going to spend the last day bringing up new candidates (Like Zealos) and throw the thread into complete chaos again then end up with another no lynch. There's hard evidence on Kurumi right now, let's not forget that. We will see what his flip is then go from therw. When D3 hits THEN will we start voting for other people who are Mafia. (Mattchew, Palmar, Foolishness, Blazinghand, etc)
There has been roughly ten pages since I looked at the thread this morning and all the content in those pages say close to nothing about anything. It's all a bunch of derp and twerp that is continuing to keep the thread horrible cluttered and disorganized. I'm surprised to see that the veteran players (who are usually good at keep direction for the town) are sitting around doing nothing or contributing to the chaos as well. If this continues then this game will be fast and resulting in a for sure Mafia victory.
Every time ever since D1 you make a post getting angry about how much "chaos and confusion" there is in town, yet you are the one that does nothing about it.
You just complained, yet the only thing you did was post useless lists about "people that need to die" that serve no purpose, and accuse people over and over and over. Every post of yours is just "we need to kill Foolishnesh" or "we need to kill BH".
Yes, Katina is scum, the more I read her filter the more I'm convinced about it. When she's active she doesn't participate in any discussion. Every time she posts she's aggressive against someone, and restates reads she had long ago and doesn't add anything new.
Katina keeps posting these lists of "people that need to die" that don't add anything new, specially since they are constantly changing and she doesn't really explain why she changes them at all.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 18 2012 09:26 Katina wrote:
bugs, you should really know better than to try to switch the vote train off of two people who were discussed at in length. You have caused a shitstorm now, and the votes aren't any better than they were 24 hours ago. The people voting for austin at this point:
supersoft
wherebugsgo
Bill Murray
sandroba
syllogism
risk.nuke
gonzaw
Looks like a pretty good mafia list. I wouldn't mind 4 or 5 of you dying. On July 19 2012 12:20 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I have had my vote stolen for the entire cycle.
Also I really don't like the idea of not killing kurumi today. The last thing we need to do is give up an easy scum kill. It doesn't matter if your vote was stolen, just vote. Why would we give up an easy kill? It will narrow down the scum count, that's what we need to win as town. If Kurumi doesn't die people are just going to derp around and be unfocused because he IS still alive. With him dead that's one less distraction and we can focus on the other scum such as: Mattchew Foolishness Palmar Blazinghand Syllogism Bill Murrary On July 22 2012 04:29 Katina wrote:
Lynch those who are scummy. Don't worry about lynching the executives right now. We haven't killed one Mafia yet. Our focus needs to be on that right now. Not making speculations and picking someone we think "could be" a executive. I would imagine that all the minions have the powers anyway since executives have the authority to communicate messages. Wouldn't make sense for them to have anymore powers.
We need to lynch into this group:
Foolishness
Palmar
Mattchew
Blazinghand
Syllogism
BM
All these players are playing poorly this game and aren't playing according to their town Meta's in previous games. All these people are normally focused and organized when they scum hunt. (BM aside) There's gaurenteed Mafia in there, I'm certain of it. Again, don't worry about the executives. Just lynch Mafia, that's all that matters. There's too much worry about the messages being sent amongest the Mafia. As I have said before there is no way to know who's what on the chain of command. So it's pointless and a distraction to be worrying about this. On July 22 2012 09:33 Katina wrote:
I doubt Palmar is an executive, he has been lazy this game. He has to make some big posts to keep suspicion off of him. He's most likely a minion but it really doesn't matter. The CEO is dead. All that is left is to pick the others off. Here's my list now after looking over some filters.
Palmar
Blazinghand
Meapkak
risk.nuke
Layabout
gonzaw
Possibly Mattchew (I can't tell if he's scum or just playing really badly this game)
She never explained why syllo and BM are not suddenly on her "to-kill" list, and every time she makes a "case" against someone new and adds them to the list, thinking that's the only thing she has to do to contribute and "prevent town chaos".
I don't think a town Katina would act like this at all. She's just throwing suspicions around every time she posts ignoring everything else that's happening, which actually adds to the chaos she herself keeps "complaining" about in 80% of her posts.
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On July 23 2012 09:13 Katina wrote:
I don't think I believe sloosh's claim. He doesn't say much all game then comes in when foolishness dies and claims he killed him. I'm more inclined to believe supersoft. sloosh made it on my Mafia list. I think VE is probably town and Mattchew might be as well just extremely misguided same goes for rastaban. Palmar needs to be lynched today then one of the following next:
Sloosh
Meapak
Gonzaw
Layabout
risk.nuke
Really? Another list?
About Palmar:
I don't agree with this lynch at all. This lynch is based on him "being Executive because of balance issues" and because "Foo defended him without reason".
I also Palmar is most likely town.
Here is his filter this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=87086
Here is his filter from iGrok's game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558&user=87086
In iGrok's game he did stay to his "town aggressive Palmar" game on D1, but however as you can see from D2 onwards he stopped giving a shit about the game and just trolled from then on.
I don't see that this game. In D2 he even started to be active and give his reads and reasoning behind them, even more so than in D1, and that's not how scum Palmar plays, he's putting much more effort this game than when he's scum.
About Zealos:
He's scum as well.
He hasn't contributed AT ALL ever since D2. His few posts ever since have just been "hi I'm not scum" and nothing else.
On July 22 2012 04:43 Zealos wrote:Well, that was weird. As far as I can see, I'd like a BH lynch. It's almost as if he claimed scum earlier, as VE mentioned, Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 04:35 Blazinghand wrote:
I mean, if our thought is "sandro can't be trusted" I'd see why we're not lynching Zealos, but... we're also not lynching sandro? It just seems to me that between Sandro, Zealos, and Palmar we should totally be able to find a non-me lynch today and he's very happy to just push hard on the easy target so far. As for me - I'm not mafia, deal with it.
On July 22 2012 23:33 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 12:05 rastaban wrote:On July 22 2012 11:54 HiroPro wrote:
BTW guys, notice the awesome role that Zealos claimed (along with the whole nonsense he had with his reads and the sandroba PM that he failed to bring to the thread)? It should be almost certain that he is mafia at this point. Who was it, VE I think, who even said Vt would be enough. Over compensation. Lynch Zealos You mean because BH had a fakeclaim of vanilla town!?! What a shocking surprise. He wanted my role, so I have it to him. Even if I have been useless thus far, the evidence for me as a mafia player is pretty poor.
Only two posts he made since then and they are completely useless
He was outed by sandro on D2 as well, yet it seems everybody ignores that
I'm down with a Katina, austin or Zealos lynch right now, I'm not too sure on supersoft (because of the claim) until we can confirm their claims.
I'd like people's thoughts on Katina and austin before voting.
Actually fuck it, here:
##Vote: Zealos
If anybody is "confirmed scum" by now it's him.
I'll change my vote to consolidate later on austin/Katina/etc if necessary
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On July 23 2012 09:51 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 09:44 syllogism wrote:
Layabout any idea why Foolishness decided to very clumsily defend Palmar on day 1? Even after people called him out once? And why do you think Palmar defended BH several times on day 1 and 2? In both instances the defenses were irrational, would you characterize Palmar and Foolishness irrational? I think Foolishness thought "Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1." and then it turned out not to be correct. Palmar makes assertions like he did about BH frequently as both alignments. It's not helpful but it's something he does.
No you don't understand. What is the motivation for mafia CEO Foolishness to irrationally defend Palmar if he thinks Palmar is town. He defended him twice and the defense was bad in both cases. After the random vote defense he moved to claiming palmar filter size serves as "concrete proof" of his alignment.
Actually you do understand, but you are mafia and playing really badly, yawn
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On July 23 2012 09:51 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 09:44 syllogism wrote:
Layabout any idea why Foolishness decided to very clumsily defend Palmar on day 1? Even after people called him out once? And why do you think Palmar defended BH several times on day 1 and 2? In both instances the defenses were irrational, would you characterize Palmar and Foolishness irrational? I think Foolishness thought "Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1." and then it turned out not to be correct.
If you think Palmar is town, why is it not correct?
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Syllogism you are aggressively pushing this lynch but your aren't saying WHY Palmar is scum. Why?
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Gonzaw that "etc" better include Palmar or you too are obvious mafia
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On July 23 2012 09:54 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 09:51 layabout wrote:On July 23 2012 09:44 syllogism wrote:
Layabout any idea why Foolishness decided to very clumsily defend Palmar on day 1? Even after people called him out once? And why do you think Palmar defended BH several times on day 1 and 2? In both instances the defenses were irrational, would you characterize Palmar and Foolishness irrational? I think Foolishness thought "Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1." and then it turned out not to be correct. If you think Palmar is town, why is it not correct?
Palmar did that as scum in another game.
(according to gonzaw)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15498161
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We shouldn't make assumptions of what Foolishness said/did.
If Foolishness actually thought Palmar was scum and wanted to defend him he wouldn't use stupid reasons as "If his filter is longer than 3 pages then he's town" to defend him, since it's obvious they are stupid.
He may also have not been sure Palmar was scum and could be town, so he could have just wanted to avert some suspicion on him via shitty reasons so to keep Palmar around for later and figure out his alignment via orders and shit.
Foolishness defending Palmar like that doesn't say anything about Palmar.
On July 23 2012 09:55 syllogism wrote:
Gonzaw that "etc" better include Palmar or you too are obvious mafia
Wtf is wrong with you? Are you scum?
Why are you pushing so much for Palmar yet completely ignore players like Zealos who haven't done anything ever since D1 and sandro even outed him?
Answer me why we aren't lynching Zealos today.
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Or Katina or austin for that matter.
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On July 23 2012 09:54 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 09:51 layabout wrote:On July 23 2012 09:44 syllogism wrote:
Layabout any idea why Foolishness decided to very clumsily defend Palmar on day 1? Even after people called him out once? And why do you think Palmar defended BH several times on day 1 and 2? In both instances the defenses were irrational, would you characterize Palmar and Foolishness irrational? I think Foolishness thought "Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1." and then it turned out not to be correct. Palmar makes assertions like he did about BH frequently as both alignments. It's not helpful but it's something he does. No you don't understand. What is the motivation for mafia CEO Foolishness to irrationally defend Palmar if he thinks Palmar is town. He defended him twice and the defense was bad in both cases. After the random vote defense he moved to claiming palmar filter size serves as "concrete proof" of his alignment. Actually you do understand, but you are mafia and playing really badly, yawn
Yeah, stupid Foolishness and his "evidence to back up his conclusions"
+ Show Spoiler [text does not convey tone very well so…] +
Foolishness' motivation would be to play like he does as town and to make sense so that people would listen him, both of which would serve to keep himself alive.
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layabout, do you think Palmar is town or do you just not want him lynched today?
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