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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 22 2012 18:38 GMT
#2681
I read the role, but it seems like such a dumb strategy, especially with the claims being clearly so poorly thought out. I suppose if Supersoft is fake claiming it might make some sense
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
July 22 2012 18:40 GMT
#2682
On July 23 2012 03:24 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 22:30 Bill Murray wrote:
i had the last two votes on BH when we needed only 1 more vote (from anyone) in the voting thread (for over 10 minutes)

I also tried to lynch the other guy who was up for it (was it gonzaw?)

I would have been campaigning in the thread had I even known it was majority at the time



foolishness only switched to saying he wanted to lynch BH because he was being pressure by you so hard. That was a good job by you. He wanted to lynch BH? Only because you defended me so well, and the thread wasn't going with him as per his "case" on me.

Why should I get in your way? You had a great lynch on BH, you had a good defense of me to Foolishness, and you LITERALLY ASKED HIM WHO HE WANTED TO LYNCH MORE, ME OR BH

Yeah, your slot is looking great, too


Seriously desperate? Foolishness didn't know any of minions day 1. Just saying, though he did have his behavior analysis skills.

Why is everyone fake claiming stuf. ONLY CHEZINU IS ALLOWED TO DO THIS! Seriously, did not everyone read my hints that BlazingHands killed Foolishiness and then the mafia blamed BH's death on a crazed wall street person aka VE? How much do I have to type it out. Well, I'm glad I want vague now because of all the fake claims. Plenty of free reads to give away especially from the Department of Marketing Its like they didn't understand BH's role or maybe they are playing dumb and hoping town is dumb. Or do they really want to kill themselves for some special purpose... let investigate this matter..


oh just read foolish's role pm. didn't see it earlier.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 22 2012 18:41 GMT
#2683
On July 23 2012 03:38 syllogism wrote:
I read the role, but it seems like such a dumb strategy, especially with the claims being clearly so poorly thought out. I suppose if Supersoft is fake claiming it might make some sense


mh no i am not. I know there are no clues in this game, but:
+ Show Spoiler +

"hey i want to kill foolishness.

reasoning, so you don't think i am of unsound mind if i fail:
1. I think i might die tonight. Every fairly skilled player is under heavy suspicion right now. That makes me a good target, because i established my townieness pretty well.
2. I don't buy this LOL-story and the d1 lynch. wiggles did the exact same thing in LV and he was scum and noone listened to me
3. Among these 4 players: Syllo, Sandro, Palmar, Foolishness has to be atleast one mafiaguy. And I think Sandroba is clear, syllo is kind of clear and Palmar at least has some little moments, however I believe he might be scum, too. If foolishness isn't, Palmar is for sure.

haha, maybe you can express my uncertainty in the nighpost :D

I am just thinking about the possibility, that foolish is town, scum shoots sandroba and we're all dead :D
okay let's do this. If i screw up, i'll play under some smurf for a while because I can't live with the guilt :D"
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 22 2012 18:47 GMT
#2684
Chezinu you are saying VE's role is crazed [wall street] employee i.e. what Sloosh claimed?
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 22 2012 18:49 GMT
#2685
On July 23 2012 03:41 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 03:38 syllogism wrote:
I read the role, but it seems like such a dumb strategy, especially with the claims being clearly so poorly thought out. I suppose if Supersoft is fake claiming it might make some sense


mh no i am not. I know there are no clues in this game, but:
+ Show Spoiler +

"hey i want to kill foolishness.

reasoning, so you don't think i am of unsound mind if i fail:
1. I think i might die tonight. Every fairly skilled player is under heavy suspicion right now. That makes me a good target, because i established my townieness pretty well.
2. I don't buy this LOL-story and the d1 lynch. wiggles did the exact same thing in LV and he was scum and noone listened to me
3. Among these 4 players: Syllo, Sandro, Palmar, Foolishness has to be atleast one mafiaguy. And I think Sandroba is clear, syllo is kind of clear and Palmar at least has some little moments, however I believe he might be scum, too. If foolishness isn't, Palmar is for sure.

haha, maybe you can express my uncertainty in the nighpost :D

I am just thinking about the possibility, that foolish is town, scum shoots sandroba and we're all dead :D
okay let's do this. If i screw up, i'll play under some smurf for a while because I can't live with the guilt :D"


referring to this:
"He had been feeling uncertain about life, death, and continuing to work for this demonic corporation already, and now he discovered that one of his colleagues had died on the job."

I aksed if bullets get refunded at night1. So I knew exactly, that it is possible that we both could have shot foolish.
However the first thing i thought when i read slooshs claim was: He didn't kill him. It was only me in the nightpost.
That was the thinking process behind my first post today:

On July 22 2012 16:45 supersoft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 14:05 slOosh wrote:
Awesome on two counts!

I am a Crazed Employee - basically a delayed 1 shot vig, and I targetted Foolishness last night. As you know I've been spending a majority of my time figuring him out and was wavering because he had a good case on BM which I agree with, yet chose to do exactly that a case on BM. I was torn on trying to figure out meta and trusting people's reads, but VE's grilling brought out cold hard, in-thread contradictions that I understand and trust.

Probulous I'm assuming is some sort of kingmaker (?) - and he made VE king to lynch BH. Prob has also said that Chezinu is some sort of rolecop:
On July 22 2012 10:47 Probulous wrote:
Time to read that Ole foolish filter. I don't think Chez is scum. He worked out my role but never outed it. I think he can check the names of roles because he correctly emphasised the first three letters of mine to me and only me.

Prob is it clear from your role name what your ability is? Because from a minion perspective, the knowledge of someone's role is hard to use - even if you knew someone was blue you can only submit the name to CEO kill list, and outting something like that isn't a town thing to do in the first place. But I also thought he was some sort of messenger role?

On July 22 2012 03:23 VisceraEyes wrote:
On July 22 2012 02:20 Palmar wrote:
I haven't caught up since last night. Did Chez ever claim messenger role?

The way Chez does, yes. And he sent me a message so...

I forgot who said it (was quite recently) that scum and town may have mirror/similar abilities. Sandroba was a clear instance of a town messenger - use ability to find out scum. Chezinu or whoever is sending seems like they are sending messages of confusion (house of Chezinu etc.). In any case I still have to do more rereading & filtering in light of the new information influx.

Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge.



You didn't kill foolishness.


then I left and took a shower. I then realized, that this is a noclue game, and the nightpost is irrelevant. However I took a closer look at sloosh:

On July 22 2012 19:12 supersoft wrote:
yes i shot foolishness and i am the towndreamflower.
However it's possible, that be both shot him. vigs dont get their bullets back when 2 shot the same target.
But I still don't buy it.
He didn't shoot foolishness.


here i thouhgt i might be too suspicious towards him

On July 22 2012 19:22 syllogism wrote:
I don't like how he spends a whole paragraph explaining why he shot him. If he shot him, it's likely that he would be more confident as there is no reason to assume someone else shot him and thus little reason to explain his rationale in such detail. He doesn't seem confident at all. He also never posted anything in-thread that indicated he was "wavering" or changing his mind on foolishness.


but syllo backed up my read:

On July 22 2012 19:32 supersoft wrote:
yes. his claim looks extremely fake. i bet crazed employee is his fake-PM.
All scummembers have a fakePM i bet his is that crazed employee.

syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 22 2012 18:50 GMT
#2686
That would make VE/Probulous mafia and Probulous' role seems really weird to be a mafia role. I do think that Probulous choosing VE his target and VE immediately lynching BH is really strange. I suppose it would exlain WBG's role being in the game.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 22 2012 19:02 GMT
#2687
Chezinu I'm not interested in playing word games with you so I'm going to keep ignoring your posts unless you clearly say what you know and don't know.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 22 2012 19:36 GMT
#2688
chezinu go ahead and out your list
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Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
July 22 2012 19:50 GMT
#2689
On July 23 2012 04:02 syllogism wrote:
Chezinu I'm not interested in playing word games with you so I'm going to keep ignoring your posts unless you clearly say what you know and don't know.

lol, that is what mafia does... look at the fool!

well, I guess we won't be playing together then. So, are you trying to say that you are mafia?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 22 2012 19:51 GMT
#2690
On July 22 2012 09:14 Probulous wrote:


Now we listen to VE.

Probulous why do you think we should listen to VE?
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 22 2012 19:52 GMT
#2691
On July 23 2012 04:50 Chezinu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 04:02 syllogism wrote:
Chezinu I'm not interested in playing word games with you so I'm going to keep ignoring your posts unless you clearly say what you know and don't know.

lol, that is what mafia does... look at the fool!

well, I guess we won't be playing together then. So, are you trying to say that you are mafia?

No, I'm saying word games are a waste of my time.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
July 22 2012 19:56 GMT
#2692
On July 23 2012 04:51 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 09:14 Probulous wrote:


Now we listen to VE.

Probulous why do you think we should listen to VE?

Cause he write list with scum on is SILLY! He helped protect me and sand knowing both of our roles. Prob said that I Prob knew Prob's role, yet I didn't say anything. We Got TRUST.


ps: made you click. Look, I'm alignment claiming that I'm on town's side
lol, clueless in The Prism!
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 22 2012 19:58 GMT
#2693
Actually I copy pasted

If you aren't saying what I thought you were saying, then I'm not quite sure what you are saying
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
July 22 2012 19:59 GMT
#2694
On July 23 2012 04:58 syllogism wrote:
Actually I copy pasted

If you aren't saying what I thought you were saying, then I'm not quite sure what you are saying

awww, I thought you would click the silly!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 22 2012 20:27 GMT
#2695
Chezinu, why do you think BH killed Foolishness?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 22 2012 20:29 GMT
#2696
Like that doesn't make any sense to me. BH didn't know what Foolishness was, but he did know that the lynch would probably be between the both of them and maybe Zealos. Killing Foolishness pretty much would ensure that both of them die, either by BH being lynched or losing his life for killing a town...
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 22 2012 20:40 GMT
#2697
I think he misread BH's role and/or I misinterpreted what he was saying. Either way, I don't think it makes any sense
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
July 22 2012 21:20 GMT
#2698
On July 23 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:
I think he misread BH's role and/or I misinterpreted what he was saying. Either way, I don't think it makes any sense

Correct. I thought he would die if he killed a mafia member (this case foolishness) then the mafia would in turn kill him and the lawyer mafia would blame the craze employee.

(town has a judge and mafia has a lawyer?)

To address the issue that I haven't been totally unfocused this game and not reading the questions people asked after the op, missing the foolish's role pm, and acting a bit crazy when no one is in the thread and I'm all alone at night, I have the following project that I would like to reveal:

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lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7466 Posts
July 22 2012 21:28 GMT
#2699
Maybe this will make a better town representation of what I'm doing...

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lol, clueless in The Prism!
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 22 2012 21:33 GMT
#2700
On July 23 2012 03:50 syllogism wrote:
That would make VE/Probulous mafia and Probulous' role seems really weird to be a mafia role. I do think that Probulous choosing VE his target and VE immediately lynching BH is really strange. I suppose it would exlain WBG's role being in the game.


Do you believe this is the case?
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