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syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 22 2012 12:20 GMT
#2641
On July 22 2012 21:09 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 19:12 supersoft wrote:
yes i shot foolishness and i am the towndreamflower.
However it's possible, that be both shot him. vigs dont get their bullets back when 2 shot the same target.
But I still don't buy it.
He didn't shoot foolishness.


why would he claim if he knew he was going to get counter-claimed? he would want some kinda 1 for 1??

Vig shots can overlap and he had defended/sided with foolishness multiple times so not like he was in a good position. Look at his filter and assume he is mafia: how long do you think he would survive?

Kita "counterclaimed" a vig shot as mafia in Responsibility mafia and the other person had even claimed his shot before day post. That wasn't an attempt at 1-1 either, though the situations were different.
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 22 2012 12:21 GMT
#2642
So why is it that kurumi was not shot night 1? Dreamflower is some kind of multi shot vig right?

Any breadcrumbs - ss/sloosh? And what does the delayed mean sloosh are you claiming you shot foolishness night 1?

Marv, 1 for 1 is not a bad trade for scum depending on who they get.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 22 2012 12:22 GMT
#2643
i have one shot and i die if i hit a townie. look at BHs PM. Mine is pretty similar.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 22 2012 12:29 GMT
#2644
Yeah, I don't know what the delayed means. Because slOosh goes on to say it was VE's interactions with foolishness and that convinced him, so he would have to have shot last night. That being the case, where does the delayed come in?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 22 2012 12:29 GMT
#2645
On July 19 2012 23:54 supersoft wrote:
noone was roleblocked right?
based on the informations we already got:
kurumi had a nuke, rol had a useless nuke, wbg was pardoner, bm claims to have this voterig/dayabilitysteal-power and sandrobas ability, i guess many players have little abilitys like that.
i am pretty confident, that we have some sort of extra kp. keeping in mind that our lynch where we're 2/3 to 1/3 and have to get 1/2 on our lynchtarget is a pretty bad instrument. however scum obv has only one or two kp, too.
assuming kurumi is scum, they even have a daykill ability. (what makes sense with only 1night kp).

the problem might have been that every kp-owner thought another one would already do the job. usually you dont get your kp back if the target is already dead right? i've actually never been vigilante lol

i am a little bit mad at myself for not directing the blues last night. actually something like "vigs in the upper half of the playerlist shoot kurumi" could have helped :-o

haha, i originally wanted to start yelling at our vigs for letting kurumi stay alive.

I found this post weird at the time and thought it was quite possible that supersoft was a vig. Seems pretty obviious now
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 22 2012 12:34 GMT
#2646
by the way. If sloosh already targeted foolishness night1. He must claim his shot before the end of night2.
I waited until 5 minutes before the end of n2 to send my shot in. What an idiot if he's town.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 22 2012 12:34 GMT
#2647
like I said I cannot believe slOosh targeted him night 1. That would make no sense given what he's posted
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 22 2012 12:36 GMT
#2648
So he's a vig that can shoot from night 2 on? mhm sure. This role fits perfectly into the setup. Who else has an ability you can only use from night2 onwards?
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 22 2012 12:37 GMT
#2649
Ok i dont buy this claim by sloosh. The last thing he ever says about foolishness is that hes leaning even more town on him due to him catching scum. He never comments about anything going on betweeen VE and foolishness. Throw in the delayed thing which i dont get at all. Sloosh makes it seem like he shot last night but then where is this delayed bit?

Ill read a bit more closely when im on my computer but i think sloosh is lying.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
July 22 2012 12:38 GMT
#2650
Instead of speculating about his role you should have waited for him to answer first, yawn
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 22 2012 12:39 GMT
#2651
On July 22 2012 21:36 supersoft wrote:
So he's a vig that can shoot from night 2 on? mhm sure. This role fits perfectly into the setup. Who else has an ability you can only use from night2 onwards?


Oh the delayed could mean that. But i still dont buy the claim.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 22 2012 12:39 GMT
#2652
lol you're right. I made so many mistakes already. I shouldn't have counterclaimed instantly. I should have waited and ask him some things. If he's scum faking it, no counterclaim would have been unexpected.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 22 2012 12:40 GMT
#2653
I agree with the speculation, really, though, syllo
HiroPro is right, man
I'm not going to bed until the mod comes around, and I see if Sloosh has any "other" abilities
I have a suspicion I'm about to see a scum ability :p
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 22 2012 12:42 GMT
#2654
Bill, do you see any ability that they have - not just in-thread/day abilities?
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 22 2012 12:43 GMT
#2655
I guess the question is: why didn't either of you shoot Kurumi N1? We wasted our D2 lynch because of you guys, you WERE under specific orders to open fire.

##Unvote: Chezinu
##Vote: Palmar


Sup bro? Suuuuup?

I'm doing a little rereading over the course of today

Aside from myself and Probulous I seem to recall others unwilling to lynch BH D1 when gonzaw and he were on the block. I'm going back and specifically rereading that portion of the game to see if there's anything there...the Chairman of the Board knew BH would flip scum.

On July 22 2012 10:25 Katina wrote:
VE, what is your role?


Why do you ask dear?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
July 22 2012 12:45 GMT
#2656
On July 22 2012 21:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
I guess the question is: why didn't either of you shoot Kurumi N1? We wasted our D2 lynch because of you guys, you WERE under specific orders to open fire.

##Unvote: Chezinu
##Vote: Palmar


Sup bro? Suuuuup?

I'm doing a little rereading over the course of today

Aside from myself and Probulous I seem to recall others unwilling to lynch BH D1 when gonzaw and he were on the block. I'm going back and specifically rereading that portion of the game to see if there's anything there...the Chairman of the Board knew BH would flip scum.

Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:25 Katina wrote:
VE, what is your role?


Why do you ask dear?


2 reasons:

1. My shot is more valuable than a lynch. I shot foolishness, the CEO.

2. I die if i hit a townie.
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 22 2012 12:58 GMT
#2657
On July 22 2012 21:39 supersoft wrote:
lol you're right. I made so many mistakes already. I shouldn't have counterclaimed instantly. I should have waited and ask him some things. If he's scum faking it, no counterclaim would have been unexpected.

No; I disagree
I like that you counterclaimed instantly
We are in my comfort zone, now.

You waiting and asking him things, in this case, was unnecessary
it would help if this was most mafia forums, but on TL people are usually above average intelligence, if not genius
We will be able to deduce what happened... like foolishness said, he understands why people have been ragequitting lately, because the quality of TL town has gone up soooo much from when I was playing a few years ago, and it was a laughingstock, and worse than mafiascum's by far. That is not the case now. You grilling might be necessary on EM for cred., might buy you a few votes on some other forums, but on TL I just don't see a need...

Linguistically, your claim was short, and to the point. Considering the TIMING of it, and you asking Katina questions about Foolishness (why was Katina defending Foolishness...?*).../tangent you look really good from the exchange. You were definitely all over suspiciousness of him, and I don't blame you - I was suspicious of him myself - to the point I forced him to create a substantial case against me... but, like i said, the TIMING of your suspiciousness into the vig shot right after you were questioning about him? It just looks really good on you

You are right in that we have given Sloosh a valuable deflection opportunity, but he is definitely on my short list after that claim

tl;dr: I don't feel like it was bad play whatsoever given the caliber of the game we are in


*this whole incident makes me suspect VE and Katina way more (VE I have had some misgivings about, and the BH thing could be a bus)
If Katina flips scum, it is likely she had possible mafia interaction regarding Foolishness with VE, but it would go against the original meta-feel I have, and I'm rarely wrong about her. If Katina is town, I feel like VE is town - which is more likely - given the kingmaker shit. Could Katina have been buddied by VE scum? doubtful, but possible. I don't think it's a bus.

BM - town PR
supersoft - town PR
VE - town PR/civilian
Katina - town PR/civilian
syllogism - helpful leaning town
rastaban - meta leaning town

want to lynch: palmar, GGQ, sloosh

Palmar - seems popular, trust syllogism/marvel/whoevers meta they brought up
Have seen a way more active Palmar as town
Activity is fairly null, though lets you have a pretty good case, because it is not completely null. Mafia definitely are less active, and lurk more, but there are exceptions.

GGQ - how is this guy not modkilled yet? Might be a waste of a lynch, but barring some weird mechanic, I doubt we will be forced to dirty our fingers. If he comes back, isn't modkilled, and continues to not contribute... yeah. In his defense, to play the devil's advocate, His d1 vote on BH looks good, and is the only reason (besides potential modkill [obvious]) that I didn't steal his vote

Sloosh - doubt his claim, counterclaimed by SS, and SS didn't NEED to CC -at all-.

On July 22 2012 21:42 HiroPro wrote:
Bill, do you see any ability that they have - not just in-thread/day abilities?

only in thread/day ones, yeah

On July 22 2012 21:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
I guess the question is: why didn't either of you shoot Kurumi N1? We wasted our D2 lynch because of you guys, you WERE under specific orders to open fire.

##Unvote: Chezinu
##Vote: Palmar


Sup bro? Suuuuup?

I'm doing a little rereading over the course of today

Aside from myself and Probulous I seem to recall others unwilling to lynch BH D1 when gonzaw and he were on the block. I'm going back and specifically rereading that portion of the game to see if there's anything there...the Chairman of the Board knew BH would flip scum.

Show nested quote +
On July 22 2012 10:25 Katina wrote:
VE, what is your role?


Why do you ask dear?

ill speak up here
i had not one but TWO votes on BH at certain points to ensure a lynch
furthermore, given foolishness pushing me so hard, my slot is looking pretty good
to top it off, i have claimed an ability I KNOW is typically a scum ability
im not wifoming
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
July 22 2012 13:17 GMT
#2658
On July 22 2012 21:58 Bill Murray wrote:
ill speak up here
i had not one but TWO votes on BH at certain points to ensure a lynch
furthermore, given foolishness pushing me so hard, my slot is looking pretty good
to top it off, i have claimed an ability I KNOW is typically a scum ability
im not wifoming


Well as long as you're not WIFOMing - "to ensure a lynch" doesn't mean anything...when a lynch doesn't happen. You didn't have two votes on BH to avoid a no-lynch because a lynch never happened. You had two votes on BH at certain points, period. End of statement.

Given Foolish pushing you so hard, I'd say your slot looks pretty good I agree - but understand that while he was pushing you he was saying all the while that he really wanted to lynch BH...who was scum.

Now, I don't know what the point of defending yourself when I hadn't attacked you was, especially given your recent explosion into activity...but I have to say that I didn't like it. As long as you don't get in my way BM, we're gonna be just fine.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 22 2012 13:30 GMT
#2659
i had the last two votes on BH when we needed only 1 more vote (from anyone) in the voting thread (for over 10 minutes)

I also tried to lynch the other guy who was up for it (was it gonzaw?)

I would have been campaigning in the thread had I even known it was majority at the time



foolishness only switched to saying he wanted to lynch BH because he was being pressure by you so hard. That was a good job by you. He wanted to lynch BH? Only because you defended me so well, and the thread wasn't going with him as per his "case" on me.

Why should I get in your way? You had a great lynch on BH, you had a good defense of me to Foolishness, and you LITERALLY ASKED HIM WHO HE WANTED TO LYNCH MORE, ME OR BH

Yeah, your slot is looking great, too
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 22 2012 13:49 GMT
#2660
dont think i can wait to see if sloosh has any abilities any longer
going to bed
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
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