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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On July 22 2012 11:54 HiroPro wrote: BTW guys, notice the awesome role that Zealos claimed (along with the whole nonsense he had with his reads and the sandroba PM that he failed to bring to the thread)? It should be almost certain that he is mafia at this point. Who was it, VE I think, who even said Vt would be enough. Over compensation. Lynch Zealos | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Notes: Foolishness Actions Defends Chez (Ignore list, No case against him, 10x more transparent) Katina (interested, Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game) Mattchew (ignore list) Palmar (is town) Qberts (Suggests GM smurf, does nothing) Risk nuke (quotes him as saying town is dumb) Zealos (I'm not convinced, No case against him) Attacks BH (makes sense when he is mafia, should be obvious, not helpful, good analysis, solid case) BM (big case, not helpful, good analysis, solid case,.....) Chez (I didn't defend him) GGQ (not helpful, good analysis) Hiropro (Hiropro syndrome, people of interest, not helpful) Marvel (redirect nuke x2, follow up when questioned, people of interest, not helpful) Mattchew (Doesn't make sense, suggests Katina case, somewhat guilty, not helpful, solid case) Meapak (somewhat guilty. not helpful) Palmar (somewhat guilty, Not helpful, Page number stuff) Probulous (somewhat guilty) QBertz (not helpful) Risk (Not helpful) Supersoft (somewhat guilty) Syllo (Balls to the wall, not helpful, good analysis, solid case) Zealos (not helpful, solid case) austin (not helpful, good analysis) slOosh (not helpful) I get this Makes an effort to defend Chez (Ignore list, No case against him, 10x more transparent) Katina (interested, Don't trash one of the few people that's making sense this game...) Palmar (is town with major defense) Attacks BM (big case, not helpful, good analysis, solid case,.....) Hiropro (Hiropro syndrome, people of interest, not helpful) Marvel (redirect nuke x2, follow up when questioned, people of interest, not helpful) Mattchew (Doesn't make sense, suggests Katina case, somewhat guilty, not helpful, solid case) Palmar (somewhat guilty, Not helpful, Page number stuff) Syllo (Balls to the wall, not helpful, good analysis, solid case) From this I gather Hiro and Marvel are likely town given Foolishness lacklustre attempts to discredit them without following through. Mattchew is a similar case where Fool uses Katina to bash him. Palmar is interesting because he was dead set on him being town but then changed later in the first day and into day 2 suggesting he got some new "news". Given his tunneling of Syllo who is town, I suspect BM received similar treatment. Compare the difference between his behaviour around Palmar and around Syllo, BM. The vehemence of his defense versus the pussy cat attack suggests he doesn't really want to lynch Palmar. Initial thoughts? | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On July 22 2012 12:05 rastaban wrote: Who was it, VE I think, who even said Vt would be enough. Over compensation. Lynch Zealos I like the way you think  But it does look like the hosts actually tried to pick certain people to be executives. So we should kill Palmar. My read isn't as strong on him, but I'm fairly certain he's mafia. I'm not a huge fan of using connections as broadly as you have, Probulous. Foolishness only knew 2 mafia (one of whom I think is Palmar). Additionally, Foolishness would have realized during night 1 just how much danger he was in. It's entirely possible that certain reads he made were just to throw off town when he died. Compare the difference between his behaviour around Palmar and around Syllo, BM. The vehemence of his defense versus the pussy cat attack suggests he doesn't really want to lynch Palmar. This is something I really agree with though. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7468 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7468 Posts
On July 21 2012 13:11 Chezinu wrote: come on... you suppose to listen to me cause I'm the boss. And you wonder why you have no authority! look.. this is how you do it. You copy the list and make the names full of color. The best method is to color each name a full color. unless you are very confused. In this case I asked you to color the green and blue ones. Let's say I asked you to color the red ones. You do something like this: 1. layabout 2. Sloosh 5. HiroPro 6. Foolishness 8. Bill Murray 9. Gonzaw 10. Meapak_Ziphh 11. Supersoft 12. austinmcc 15. syllogism 16. GGQ 17. Blazinghand 20. rastaban 21. Mattchew 23. risk.nuke 26. Palmas 27. Zealos ok, you got it. Now gogogo! remember that I'm the boss. ok guys. hahahahhaa, you get it now? muahahah. ok, soo thanks again for listening. my top two scums are dead. the rest on the list are somewhat random and can be wrong. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7468 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7468 Posts
On July 22 2012 13:51 Bill Murray wrote: Foolishness made a faked case on me AFTER I called him. Chez is my fos but ill be analyzing. And upon the arrival of a suspect I hope you all will realize im legitimately presenting it. lol! i've been confirmed town for pages. isn't it obvious. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7468 Posts
town and mafia kills: 1 Kurrumi mafia kills: 4 WBG, Sand, Fool, BH Seems the mafia are better at killing the mafia than town is at killing mafia. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
I am a Crazed Employee - basically a delayed 1 shot vig, and I targetted Foolishness last night. As you know I've been spending a majority of my time figuring him out and was wavering because he had a good case on BM which I agree with, yet chose to do exactly that a case on BM. I was torn on trying to figure out meta and trusting people's reads, but VE's grilling brought out cold hard, in-thread contradictions that I understand and trust. Probulous I'm assuming is some sort of kingmaker (?) - and he made VE king to lynch BH. Prob has also said that Chezinu is some sort of rolecop: On July 22 2012 10:47 Probulous wrote: Time to read that Ole foolish filter. I don't think Chez is scum. He worked out my role but never outed it. I think he can check the names of roles because he correctly emphasised the first three letters of mine to me and only me. Prob is it clear from your role name what your ability is? Because from a minion perspective, the knowledge of someone's role is hard to use - even if you knew someone was blue you can only submit the name to CEO kill list, and outting something like that isn't a town thing to do in the first place. But I also thought he was some sort of messenger role? On July 22 2012 03:23 VisceraEyes wrote: The way Chez does, yes. And he sent me a message so... I forgot who said it (was quite recently) that scum and town may have mirror/similar abilities. Sandroba was a clear instance of a town messenger - use ability to find out scum. Chezinu or whoever is sending seems like they are sending messages of confusion (house of Chezinu etc.). In any case I still have to do more rereading & filtering in light of the new information influx. Lastly, I think that the traitorous employee should claim. As I understand it it's like a self-aware miller who wins with town but numbers count with scum. Since mafia have to kill all town they are torn having a "confirmed town" alive and wasting their 1 KP on a useless kill (doesn't count to their wincon), and have lost their means of instantly killing him, plus the possible additional benefits of seeing scum strategies and redacted knowledge through outed PMs can be huge. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On July 20 2012 14:16 Chezinu wrote: hmmm 3 executives that can message...3 workers in the department of communication for town.. 1 mafia nuker... 1 dud nuker town... so.. 1 town Judge (pardoner) ... one mafia..... oh noes!!@! kurumi might not die! but then there is the ninja mind controlling vote stealing thief... On July 20 2012 14:47 Chezinu wrote: Isn't it funny how the CEO has the names of the roles of the mafia and like there is possibly a townie who could have a list of them be roles? if the mirror is true.. if and only if kurumi is mafiaz. then as nuke to dud rocket... list of roles is to... In light of you bringing up the mirroring posts, prob saying Chez knew his role, and VE voting Chez, gonna throw out a little Chez role speculation. I was hoping he'd play along and answer: On July 22 2012 08:43 austinmcc wrote: He's claimed to be the director of communication and to have messaging powers (mail room) but it also seemed like other bits pointed towards a role cop (HR, I wanted to play along and be half-cryptic)Say you got fired from your current job. Would your updated resume say you had expertise working in the mail room, or would you be more experienced with HR and hiring? In favor of a role-knowing role Isn't it funny how the CEO has the names of the roles of the mafia and like there is possibly a townie who could have a list of them be roles? if the mirror is true.. if and only if kurumi is mafiaz. then as nuke to dud rocket... list of roles is to... made it sound like he was letting on that there was a rolecop, or a townie with a list of town role names to mirror the scum having a list of role names or powers. Prob's statement kind of confirms that.However, Chezinu seemed to think that Blazinghand's ##block was real, and that BH could protect him - + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2012 15:01 Chezinu wrote: wait a minute! I just realized... are you saying it is possible for me to message you even though you blocked me? or is your role solely nuke block? There are a couple other quotes elsewhere but I'm lazy Also pushing towards Chezinu having a town role list are his references to a role that could see mafia communications - + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2012 08:00 Chezinu wrote: They get their messages extremely late. The Chairmens wait for the CEO to message one of them. Then the chosen chairman copy pastes the CEO's message and includes an additional message for himself. They get long messages that take forever to get to them. If someone recieves a short message they will likely post it in the thread as WBG and Blazing has done. The faster the post it the more likely they are either town or CEO. The CEO shouldn't get any messages from his minions unless one of the minions has the ability to message people and figures out who the CEO is and copy pastes a portion of the CEO's pm to prove he is a minion. Then the CEO will send a message to for everyone to will hint and clues indicating such a person is part of the mafia team. Maybe he might mention that such and such person need to be protected or for everyone not to vote for such and such person. By now, if the mafia CEO is somewhat disciplined and smart and not impulsive, he would have a trademark signature in his message. The goal: Let's drive them crazy. Someone with a role that can wiretap into The System needs to get hold of a message from the CEO or the chairmans. Then you will have the trademark. Exposing this trademark to the public will force the CEO to create a new signature.. but by the time this happens he can just reiterate a previous pm message to prove who he is.. The Director of Communication seeks an employee who is capable of retrieving these messages. Come on Company, Its Time to Take the Company Back! On July 20 2012 15:06 Chezinu wrote: If I could read other people messages.. why would I have asked for an employee would could read other people's messages or for someone to bus me earlier in the thread? (since I'm the crazy guy, you have to look up my quotes). I'm totally bossing you arounds! In favor of messaging powers He's claimed them. Claimed messages to ?, BH, and VE, although I don't think we have actually 100% confirmed that he sent any messages. I believe BH and VE just posted messages which Chez claimed, but there was never a situation where Chez gave information that confirmed himself as sender? Of course, there's a chance he's got access to both powers. Either as a mafia underboss, with a messaging minion and a rolecop/town role list minion, or perhaps as a mason-type role, with those roles inside his circle? If "director of communication" is a real role name, a mason-type role would fit with that. A mason circle Chez could still be mafia or town. VE, are you voting Chez based off Foolishness/BH flips, or is this because of the chat you guys had? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25562 Posts
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On July 21 2012 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Is the message I received. I received it shortly after guessing that Chez is a message sender and he confirmed sending it to me. Here's what I think should happen. IMO Sandroba should send me a message to confirm that he can (can we agree that it's probable that scum aren't going to "fall" for his shenannies anymore if he's town?). If Sandroba is unable to send me a message, then he's an Executive and has been bussing his department. If he IS able, then tomorrow we figure out which of Sandroba/Chezinu is scum. Because two people having that power on town side seems ridiculously unfair to scum, I think that would make one of them scum. Does anyone disagree with this? I'm guessing that's where I got it from if anything. Still rereading stuff in light of flips. So much stuff to go through. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7468 Posts
On July 22 2012 14:42 austinmcc wrote: Sloosh, the person who suggested mirrored roles was Chezinu - + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2012 14:16 Chezinu wrote: hmmm 3 executives that can message...3 workers in the department of communication for town.. 1 mafia nuker... 1 dud nuker town... so.. 1 town Judge (pardoner) ... one mafia..... oh noes!!@! kurumi might not die! but then there is the ninja mind controlling vote stealing thief... On July 20 2012 14:47 Chezinu wrote: Isn't it funny how the CEO has the names of the roles of the mafia and like there is possibly a townie who could have a list of them be roles? if the mirror is true.. if and only if kurumi is mafiaz. then as nuke to dud rocket... list of roles is to... In light of you bringing up the mirroring posts, prob saying Chez knew his role, and VE voting Chez, gonna throw out a little Chez role speculation. I was hoping he'd play along and answer:He's claimed to be the director of communication and to have messaging powers (mail room) but it also seemed like other bits pointed towards a role cop (HR, I wanted to play along and be half-cryptic) In favor of a role-knowing role made it sound like he was letting on that there was a rolecop, or a townie with a list of town role names to mirror the scum having a list of role names or powers. Prob's statement kind of confirms that. However, Chezinu seemed to think that Blazinghand's ##block was real, and that BH could protect him - + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2012 15:01 Chezinu wrote: wait a minute! I just realized... are you saying it is possible for me to message you even though you blocked me? or is your role solely nuke block? There are a couple other quotes elsewhere but I'm lazy Also pushing towards Chezinu having a town role list are his references to a role that could see mafia communications - + Show Spoiler + On July 20 2012 08:00 Chezinu wrote: They get their messages extremely late. The Chairmens wait for the CEO to message one of them. Then the chosen chairman copy pastes the CEO's message and includes an additional message for himself. They get long messages that take forever to get to them. If someone recieves a short message they will likely post it in the thread as WBG and Blazing has done. The faster the post it the more likely they are either town or CEO. The CEO shouldn't get any messages from his minions unless one of the minions has the ability to message people and figures out who the CEO is and copy pastes a portion of the CEO's pm to prove he is a minion. Then the CEO will send a message to for everyone to will hint and clues indicating such a person is part of the mafia team. Maybe he might mention that such and such person need to be protected or for everyone not to vote for such and such person. By now, if the mafia CEO is somewhat disciplined and smart and not impulsive, he would have a trademark signature in his message. The goal: Let's drive them crazy. Someone with a role that can wiretap into The System needs to get hold of a message from the CEO or the chairmans. Then you will have the trademark. Exposing this trademark to the public will force the CEO to create a new signature.. but by the time this happens he can just reiterate a previous pm message to prove who he is.. The Director of Communication seeks an employee who is capable of retrieving these messages. Come on Company, Its Time to Take the Company Back! On July 20 2012 15:06 Chezinu wrote: If I could read other people messages.. why would I have asked for an employee would could read other people's messages or for someone to bus me earlier in the thread? (since I'm the crazy guy, you have to look up my quotes). I'm totally bossing you arounds! In favor of messaging powers He's claimed them. Claimed messages to ?, BH, and VE, although I don't think we have actually 100% confirmed that he sent any messages. I believe BH and VE just posted messages which Chez claimed, but there was never a situation where Chez gave information that confirmed himself as sender? Of course, there's a chance he's got access to both powers. Either as a mafia underboss, with a messaging minion and a rolecop/town role list minion, or perhaps as a mason-type role, with those roles inside his circle? If "director of communication" is a real role name, a mason-type role would fit with that. A mason circle Chez could still be mafia or town. VE, are you voting Chez based off Foolishness/BH flips, or is this because of the chat you guys had? oh I knew BH was lying about the block, because I had abilties. I was town acting. not scum acting. Didn't want scum to know that I knew that much at the time. that's how you get killed. Oh, I'm waiting on someone to read my old post now that sand is dead. There are some gems in there! You guys are getting so goods at this game! oh and VE pretending to vote for me was a joke, kind of like me voting for sand was a joke. read in between the lines. VE was giving me night protection. If mafia believed they could lynched me, I wouldn't die. geez I have all these masks... walton, director of communication, house of chezinu, message person, rolechecker, mad detective, has town role list... A-M-A-Z-I-N-G! Its like this game was made for me... its like my role description is in the OP or something... | ||
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
it supports the fact he can be town, but he can be faking it just as easily. His meta supports him liking chaos as scum. I do not want to lynch him, and want him alive. I am questioning Rastaban's vote the most of all, and Katina's switch 2ndmost, but less so considering the setup. Majority lynch is a bit different. I'm back to a computer, and I plan on putting some serious work in tonight in terms of making a dedicated case. at least one case. it might be a case in the defense of someone, who knows. I'm not even going to reread this - I have company - but expect more from me upon the departure of my company. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7468 Posts
Have you ever looked at your on filter and realize you breadcrumb excessively.. well today is the first time it has ever happened to chezinu. its like almost every post contains a clue. | ||
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