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On July 23 2012 09:33 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 09:15 Mattchew wrote:On July 23 2012 08:47 Probulous wrote:
I am an idiot. Move along.
Mattchew, do us a favour and stop tunnelling Katina. It makes you look like scum because that is all you ever do. This isn't an opinion on her alignment... And tunneling would mean I have no other opinions and refuse to vote for anyone else... She is my strongest scum read so no prob, I will not stop pushing her until that changes, and you should know better than to say something stupid like that Your strongest scum read? Stronger than Palmar? Stronger than the guy who claimed 1-shot vig who can only shoot if no mafia has died in 1.5 cycle? There is no way she is your strongest read unless you are tunnelling or you are lying; i.e. you are mafia. Vote Palmar.
? Where have I ever even commented on Palmar. I don't know what i believe his alignment is yet, and you said yourself that it would be weird to fake claim a conditional power knowing there was to be a counterclaim. I think almost everyone in the game thought foolishness was scum, so 2 people shooting him makes sense
On July 22 2012 09:30 syllogism wrote:
Foolishness' weird defense of Palmar makes it fairly likely that palmar is an executive. That would also explain why Palmar has put some effort into his bigger posts, as I would expect him to be even lazier as a minion. I highly doubt mafia executive roles were RNGed and Foolishness flipping ceo just reinforces it.
this makes sense though. I think I need to re-read him
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On July 23 2012 10:01 gonzaw wrote:
layabout, do you think Palmar is town or do you just not want him lynched today?
I think he is town and have done since day1.
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[QUOTE]On July 23 2012 09:54 gonzaw wrote:
lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D
I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town.
About sloosh/supersoft:
I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him.
I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh.
We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me.
Can both of you get confirmation that vigs waste their bullets if they shoot the same target?
If there is scum between them he'll have to fake that info, and depending on what they claims we can get a confirmed scum between them.
I don't really see the "I can only shoot 1.5 cycles after scum aren't dead" thing suspicious...since it's too odd to claim as scum.
Wouldn't it just be better for him to fake-claim regular vig as scum? Or a vig that can only start shooting from N2 onwards or something? Claiming something weird like that will only catch attention, as will fake-claiming that vig shot from the get-go.
[QUOTE]On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Okay, went through some filters and found a few people who I think are Mafia.
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Really, you don't think a role that can only shoot once 1.5 cycles after mafia is dead isn't suspicious? There has never been anything similar in any game hosted by ver or incog. You do realize that it's suspicious because it indicates guilty mindset and thus the need to justify not shooting Kurumi n1?
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EBWOP: oops
On July 23 2012 09:54 gonzaw wrote:lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town.
About sloosh/supersoft:I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him. I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh. We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me. Can both of you get confirmation that vigs waste their bullets if they shoot the same target?If there is scum between them he'll have to fake that info, and depending on what they claims we can get a confirmed scum between them. I don't really see the "I can only shoot 1.5 cycles after scum aren't dead" thing suspicious...since it's too odd to claim as scum. Wouldn't it just be better for him to fake-claim regular vig as scum? Or a vig that can only start shooting from N2 onwards or something? Claiming something weird like that will only catch attention, as will fake-claiming that vig shot from the get-go.
Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Okay, went through some filters and found a few people who I think are Mafia.
Really, you don't think a role that can only shoot once 1.5 cycles after mafia is dead isn't suspicious? There has never been anything similar in any game hosted by ver or incog. You do realize that it's suspicious because it indicates guilty mindset and thus the need to justify not shooting Kurumi n1?
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actually since july 20th whenever that was
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Ok you two, what do you think about Foolishness going balls to the wall against Syllo and BM but not Palmar.
Regarding Foolishness's Actions:
On July 22 2012 12:15 Probulous wrote:
Palmar is interesting because he (Fool) was dead set on him being town but then changed later in the first day and into day 2 suggesting he got some new "news". Given his tunneling of Syllo who is town, I suspect BM received similar treatment. Compare the difference between his behaviour around Palmar and around Syllo, BM. The vehemence of his defense versus the pussy cat attack suggests he doesn't really want to lynch Palmar.
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On July 23 2012 10:03 syllogism wrote:EBWOP: oops Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 09:54 gonzaw wrote:lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town.
About sloosh/supersoft:I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him. I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh. We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me. Can both of you get confirmation that vigs waste their bullets if they shoot the same target?If there is scum between them he'll have to fake that info, and depending on what they claims we can get a confirmed scum between them. I don't really see the "I can only shoot 1.5 cycles after scum aren't dead" thing suspicious...since it's too odd to claim as scum. Wouldn't it just be better for him to fake-claim regular vig as scum? Or a vig that can only start shooting from N2 onwards or something? Claiming something weird like that will only catch attention, as will fake-claiming that vig shot from the get-go.
On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Okay, went through some filters and found a few people who I think are Mafia.
Really, you don't think a role that can only shoot once 1.5 cycles after mafia is dead isn't suspicious? There has never been anything similar in any game hosted by ver or incog. You do realize that it's suspicious because it indicates guilty mindset and thus the need to justify not shooting Kurumi n1?
Aren't vigis that can't shoot night 1 typical anyway? If he were lying why would he just claim that?
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I need to go, Probulous/VE/Katina push Palmar while I'm gone thanks. Anyone who is town has to vote Palmar today. Feel free to lynch me if he doesn't flip mafia.
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[QUOTE]On July 23 2012 10:02 syllogism wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 23 2012 09:54 gonzaw wrote:
lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D
I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town.
About sloosh/supersoft:
I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him.
I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh.
We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me.
Can both of you get confirmation that vigs waste their bullets if they shoot the same target?
If there is scum between them he'll have to fake that info, and depending on what they claims we can get a confirmed scum between them.
I don't really see the "I can only shoot 1.5 cycles after scum aren't dead" thing suspicious...since it's too odd to claim as scum.
Wouldn't it just be better for him to fake-claim regular vig as scum? Or a vig that can only start shooting from N2 onwards or something? Claiming something weird like that will only catch attention, as will fake-claiming that vig shot from the get-go.
[QUOTE]On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Okay, went through some filters and found a few people who I think are Mafia.
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Really, you don't think a role that can only shoot once 1.5 cycles after mafia is dead isn't suspicious? There has never been anything similar in any game hosted by ver or incog. You do realize that it's suspicious because it indicates guilty mindset and thus the need to justify not shooting Kurumi n1?[/QUOTE]
It is odd, but why the fuck would he claim that as scum?
Like I said, if he was scum, why wouldn't he just claim "vig that can shoot from N2 onwards" or something? It doesn't make sense for him to fake-claim that as scum.
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On July 23 2012 10:05 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 10:03 syllogism wrote:EBWOP: oops On July 23 2012 09:54 gonzaw wrote:lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town.
About sloosh/supersoft:I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him. I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh. We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me. Can both of you get confirmation that vigs waste their bullets if they shoot the same target?If there is scum between them he'll have to fake that info, and depending on what they claims we can get a confirmed scum between them. I don't really see the "I can only shoot 1.5 cycles after scum aren't dead" thing suspicious...since it's too odd to claim as scum. Wouldn't it just be better for him to fake-claim regular vig as scum? Or a vig that can only start shooting from N2 onwards or something? Claiming something weird like that will only catch attention, as will fake-claiming that vig shot from the get-go.
On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote:
Okay, went through some filters and found a few people who I think are Mafia.
Really, you don't think a role that can only shoot once 1.5 cycles after mafia is dead isn't suspicious? There has never been anything similar in any game hosted by ver or incog. You do realize that it's suspicious because it indicates guilty mindset and thus the need to justify not shooting Kurumi n1? Aren't vigis that can't shoot night 1 typical anyway? If he were lying why would he just claim that?
Because he is bad or just didn't know
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On July 23 2012 10:05 syllogism wrote:
I need to go, Probulous/VE/Katina push Palmar while I'm gone thanks. Anyone who is town has to vote Palmar today. Feel free to lynch me if he doesn't flip mafia.
I find it hilarious that two people who have lurked all game are defending Palmar with no evidence. They haven't even bothered to read the thread and contradict the cases against him. The evidence is there, we have pointed it out but suddenly he is town.
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lol layabout stealing the words from my mouth before I post 
If he didn't shoot Foo and is scum I don't see why he would even fake-claim in the first place.
I've never seen a game where a scum fake-claimed a vig shot from someone else, specially if it's the beginning of the game.
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Like I said, if he was scum, why wouldn't he just claim "vig that can shoot from N2 onwards" or something? It doesn't make sense for him to fake-claim that as scum.
Because that isn't strange is it 
It's quite simple really. slOosh realised he was on the wrong end of the Foolishness thing and so decided to save his bacon with a claim. Problem is that he had to find an excuse not to shoot Kurumi night 1 so he made up a delay thing. Then when people quetioned his use of the word delay he had to make up something that explained it. There is no difference between his claim and a night 2 vig. They are both weird and don't make sense.
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On July 23 2012 10:07 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 10:05 syllogism wrote:
I need to go, Probulous/VE/Katina push Palmar while I'm gone thanks. Anyone who is town has to vote Palmar today. Feel free to lynch me if he doesn't flip mafia. I find it hilarious that two people who have lurked all game are defending Palmar with no evidence. They haven't even bothered to read the thread and contradict the cases against him. The evidence is there, we have pointed it out but suddenly he is town.
This is the first day that there has been time and reason to debate the lynch target.
There are many reasons to lynch zealos and we should.
Where are these cases against Palmar that you speak of? All i see is aggressive pushing and no reasoning and it stinks.
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I noted this earlier but I think I should come back to it
On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote:
As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him.
is remarkably similar to this
On February 13 2012 17:49 Palmar wrote:
I think we should murder sinani206. At worst nothing of value will have been lost.
From Werewolves where he was scum and successfully pushed for sinani's lynch. His efforts into labelling QBertz as sinani seem way over the top, especially that QBertz sounds nothing like sinani (could be roleplaying but I find it hard to believe QBertz is sinani).
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On July 23 2012 10:14 Probulous wrote:I noted this earlier but I think I should come back to it Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote:
As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him. is remarkably similar to this Show nested quote +On February 13 2012 17:49 Palmar wrote:
I think we should murder sinani206. At worst nothing of value will have been lost. From Werewolves where he was scum and successfully pushed for sinani's lynch. His efforts into labelling QBertz as sinani seem way over the top, especially that QBertz sounds nothing like sinani (could be roleplaying but I find it hard to believe QBertz is sinani).
he actually thought sinani was scum that game (there were 2 scum teams)
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On July 23 2012 10:04 Probulous wrote:
Ok you two, what do you think about Foolishness going balls to the wall against Syllo and BM but not Palmar.
Regarding Foolishness's Actions:
On July 22 2012 12:15 Probulous wrote:
Palmar is interesting because he (Fool) was dead set on him being town but then changed later in the first day and into day 2 suggesting he got some new "news". Given his tunneling of Syllo who is town, I suspect BM received similar treatment. Compare the difference between his behaviour around Palmar and around Syllo, BM. The vehemence of his defense versus the pussy cat attack suggests he doesn't really want to lynch Palmar.
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I don't think Foo' ever said he wanted to lynch Palmar or even implied it.
Foolishness was discredited basically from the get-go, I don't think anyone ever took his cases seriously, I know I didn't (with his BM case at least).
Someone everybody thinks is "obvious scum" can do whatever he wants and accuse/defend whoever he wants to confuse town, since he knows he won't be taken seriously.
Prob, what do you think of Katina or Zealos, and why would you want to lynch Palmar instead of any of them?
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On July 23 2012 10:17 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 10:14 Probulous wrote:I noted this earlier but I think I should come back to it On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote:
As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him. is remarkably similar to this On February 13 2012 17:49 Palmar wrote:
I think we should murder sinani206. At worst nothing of value will have been lost. From Werewolves where he was scum and successfully pushed for sinani's lynch. His efforts into labelling QBertz as sinani seem way over the top, especially that QBertz sounds nothing like sinani (could be roleplaying but I find it hard to believe QBertz is sinani). he actually thought sinani was scum that game (there were 2 scum teams)
Mattchew, why exactly do you think Katina is scum?
I agree that she's likely scum, but I want to see your reasoning for it.
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On July 23 2012 10:24 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 23 2012 10:17 Mattchew wrote:On July 23 2012 10:14 Probulous wrote:I noted this earlier but I think I should come back to it On July 16 2012 17:59 Palmar wrote:
As an alternative, sinani is trolling and taking part in dumb discussion so I'd be fine with killing him. is remarkably similar to this On February 13 2012 17:49 Palmar wrote:
I think we should murder sinani206. At worst nothing of value will have been lost. From Werewolves where he was scum and successfully pushed for sinani's lynch. His efforts into labelling QBertz as sinani seem way over the top, especially that QBertz sounds nothing like sinani (could be roleplaying but I find it hard to believe QBertz is sinani). he actually thought sinani was scum that game (there were 2 scum teams) Mattchew, why exactly do you think Katina is scum? I agree that she's likely scum, but I want to see your reasoning for it.
I said it before using a WBG quote on how to quote her. I think she is accusing people for things other people (or herself) are doing. I don't think a lot of the things in her cases are logical and she was told by wbg (in advice to improve her scum play) to make more cases on more people, which I think she's forced out this game.
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how to catch her as scum*
(not how to quote her lol)
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