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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 23 2012 10:48 Probulous wrote: All soft accusations against him. Considering his absolute defense of Palmar Day 1, I consider this an accusation. My whole point is that he went out of his way to distance himself from his early defense without outright pushing Palmar like he did Syllo and BM. The way I see it Foo' defended Palmar from early accusations based on his RL deal and nothing else. I don't see why scum Foo' would not put suspicion on Palmar afterwards, considering 90% of his defense on Palmar was "if he's scum he has less than 3 pages of filter by D3", which wasn't much of a defense per se but rather not letting suspicious be cast on Palmar right off the bat. Hell if I know, maybe he was counting on his defense of Palmar being so shitty it would get people's attentions? Foo acted too obvious this game, but I don't know if he'd act that obvious in front of another scumbuddy. Either way, I won't really take it into account, since it's not that strong of a connection. I did. I took his original Syllo case very seriously. Are you reading the thread? He wasn't "obvious scum" by then (at least by some people). I was considering his case on BM mostly, although I didn't really take his case on syllo too seriously (since it was just "syllo gives advice when scum" which seemed pretty weak to me, even if I agreed with him at that time) so I may be biased. Because I think he is more likely scum than those two. Zealos could be Zealos, could be town, could be scum. I mean Kurumi flipped town and we know Zealos wasn't reading the thread. Katina, right now is townie to me. I will always go back and reread but right now neither are deserving of the lynch. Both you guys have been absent and we have just killed two scum, but instead of trying to read carefully and see where we are coming from you jump into the thread with different targets and try to derail the lynch. Why? You don't present evidence for Palmar being town. Just that Palmar is Palmar. Here is the kind of post I'm talking about: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=67#1336 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=85#1692 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=85#1693 He puts too much effort in making those posts, effort he doesn't have at all when he's scum (e.g read his filter from iGrok's game I posted earlier) I obviously disagree with some of his reads (his read on me obviously, and maybe syllo/laya who I'm not too sure about atm), but you can see he goes through the effort to justify them at least. When he's scum he just trolls, he votes someone (like when he voted me on iGrok's game) and then disappears or does something completely irrelevant, he doesn't take the effort to justify his reads, specially not past-D1 (which is the day he "tries the most" to appear townie when scum, but then he just completely stops caring about the game). Those posts make me think he still cares about the game, and is likely to flip town Hmm, it's been a while since he showed up though. Meh, at worst I'd like to give him time to show us he still cares about the game like he did in D2. If he's scum it becomes more apparent as times goes on, but I doubt he is at the moment. I actually forgot about that now that I remember: @Palmar: Do you still think I'm scum? Is it just based on that "his posts are different" shit you posted there? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On July 23 2012 11:11 Zealos wrote: And when you say that "A town katina wouldn't act like this" it's very vague and doesn't really mean anything to me. If you can show examples from other games with her as town where she acts very differently then it is a different matter, but just throwing things out doesn't make a great deal of sense to me. Yes, from memory in Liar Game that's not how she acted at all Here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=333034&user=248411¤tpage=2 Her filter this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=248411 In Liar Game she was more calm and restrained, even though she still took strong stance on people. She was more involved in the thread, as you can see she had discussions with lots of players, even when they didn't addressed her specifically (even if it was a PM game) Even when she accuses people in that game she's more reserved and doesn't try ti shit things up by being needlessly aggressive. The tone of her posts are very different. In here she's needlessly aggressive against people in almost all of her posts. For instance, the difference in tone in these posts: + Show Spoiler [Liar Game] + On May 05 2012 02:04 Katina wrote: It's called a life, yo! Sandroba used it and he is still alive, why can't I?? Seriously though, I have been in PM land. I'll be honest, with everything taken care of there there wasn't a need to post in the thread. At the times I was around nothing was happening in the thread or there was arguing about Cephiro which was something I did not want to get involved in. Not a good excuse I know but surely you can understand. I would like to address this post you just made though. I don't see how this helps the town at all. Everything I see with it is just pushing a mafia agenda. You have been consistent with wanting to kill myself and Foolishness I'll give you that. But as for general posting behavior all you've done is thrown doubt around at the people who are trying to lead the town to victory. This includes Foolishness, but you've attacked syllogism and Palmar now. I have my doubts about these two but at least they have both tried to do something. You seem more content on just shutting down everyone's plans and instilling doubt in the town. And this seems to take priority for you over pushing your reads. Saying that the intent is "about removing any voice who speaks against them" is silly. It seems to me some of these people (Foolishness, gonzaw, wherebugsgo, syllogism) are more concerned about finding mafia than anything else. sandroba is mafia but he's not speaking out against them. Cephiro isn't speaking out against them so much as just trying to stupidly defend himself. You are the one who is speaking out about the scum hunters, who is pushing an agenda, who is slinging doubt around, who is not actively trying to make plans [I recall you saying something early that trying to make plans is stupid and we should just scumhunt. People in PM land (guess who!!!) tell me that this is not like your town play] + Show Spoiler [This game] + On July 19 2012 08:53 Katina wrote: Mattchew First thing that I found interesting while looking through Mattchew's filter was that he is gunning to get me killed the whole game but when the nukes start getting thrown around he decides to do that. He sends the nuke on BM. It makes no sense to nuke him when he hasn't said a word about BM before this. This makes no sense if he wanted to kill me that badly. Mattchew, sunk to Kurumi's level and nuked someone who hasn't posted. Furthermore policy lynches are stupid. His actions contradict each other. You have been gunning for me all game but you be willing to policy lynch a different person and nuke somone else entirely. You have given us your reads but there is no elaboration. You said rastaban was Mafia twice but only said that was because he was looking out for himself, that's hardly a reason to call someone mafia. You did not want to kill gonzaw D1 but you didn't do anything to stop the votes from going over. Instead you sat there and watched it all happen, of course your vote got stolen but that shouldn't stop from telling everyone to vote for someone else instead.Futhermore you never commented on any of the big names in the thread. You have mentioned BH maybe once or twice, you never said anything about austin and as I said before you never talked about gonzaw for more than one post. Looking through his filter he posts to make it look like he's doing something and contributing but in reality his posts don't say much of anything. Basically they are asking people the same "what do you think of this guy" "What do you think of this reponse" but not generating anything useful. It seems that Mattchew is using Foolishness' credibilty to get by with not saying much. Which seemed to be working apparently. No one is really looking at Mattchew or listening to much of what he is saying in thread. (Can't blame you) Mattchew's play has been horrid this game and I am 100% percent certain that he is Mafia. In both she basically accuses her top-read, but in this game she's too aggressive and too "sure" of the guy she's accusing is scum. In Liar Game she wasn't that aggressive nor "sure" (as would be expected from a townie). In the Liar Game she pointed out things that made people scum, and told us that trying to convince us about it. In this game she just tries calling people for as much stuff as she can and doesn't seem to have the same intent in convincing us about it. In that 1st quote you can see her trying to figure out BC's alignment, she tries to make sense of the situation (but concludes BC is mafia). In the 2nd quote it's just a flash of "scummy" things she held together. She's doesn't seem to try and make sense of the situation at all It's hard to explain, but if you read both of her filters you'll know what I'm talking about That's what make me think she's not acting like she does as town. Also the fact that she doesn't post stupid lists when she's town or complain about the "chaos" every 2 minutes. Zealos: As for the case on me, its wrong, sorry to disappoint You'll still say you were "dumb" when you didn't post the message sandro PMed you, then? Why haven't you done anything since then? You haven't posted anything relevant at all since that "I'm dumb" series of posts you did on D2. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
Prob, just noticed the exact same thing I noticed about slOosh and someone breadcrumb my suspensions. Therefore, ##Vote slOosh oh and mafia try and calm yourselves down. Your just outing yourselves. I know your angry about the CEO and how he played. But you don't have to complain openly about it in the thread, making you obvious scum for the lynch. See what I did thar? oh and gonaz, stop trying to communicate secretly in the thread. You aren't skilled as me, thanks. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
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Chezinu
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Right now it is 5:4 Palmar  ealos. Zealos is not going to be able to disrupt the thread whilst Palmar is certainly capable of misleading us. I also think Palmar is an executive, thus to me it makes sense to lynch him first even if Zealos is scum. Objections? | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
On July 23 2012 12:46 Probulous wrote: OK people, getting Palmar lynched is not going to be easy since we have a lot of scum and it is majority lynch. Syllo, supersoft, VE and myself have either voted for him, and or pushed his case. Call it blackmail if you want but I am not moving my vote unless someone can tell me why Palmar is town. We know what happens when multiple targets for lynch are presented with about half a day before lynch time. Right now it is 5:4 Palmar ealos. Zealos is not going to be able to disrupt the thread whilst Palmar is certainly capable of misleading us. I also think Palmar is an executive, thus to me it makes sense to lynch him first even if Zealos is scum. Objections? Stand your ground, lots of mafia posting at the moment. Your sturdy and I know it. We can win this thing! *cocks gunz* (yes multiple) Let's kill us some zombie scum! | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
 Can you explain the bank to me? I looked up Merc Mini where you were a bank but I didn't get the connection to this game. Oh and this would be a nice clarification too | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On July 23 2012 11:12 VisceraEyes wrote: I misread you hard last game slOosh, likewise I'm sure. Your claim is...the same as two other peoples'. One of you is going to die tomorrow. Which one is it going to be? Take a guess? On July 23 2012 01:09 Bill Murray wrote: I haven't gotten to find that out yet. I'd imagine something like this [logout] : Bill Murray [1 NEW PM] "OH JOY" "You now have the ability #Daykill/Execute/BangBang" "HOLY MOTHER OF AFSDAJHAKL" On July 23 2012 01:59 risk.nuke wrote: I am a Crazed Employee - basically a delayed 1 shot vig, and I targetted Foolishness last night. <-quote I can only shoot when no mafia have died for 1.5 cycles, so basically I can only start shooting night 2. <-quote BM steals a dayvig. <-statement I'm counting 3 different abillitys. Risk.nuke is quoting me and posting statements in the same post, and somehow thinks 1 and 2 are mutually distinct. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
He is in an eerily similar situation as mine - defending someone who is widely regarded as scum. On July 23 2012 09:32 layabout wrote: Why are people voting for Palmar? I haven't seen anything concrete. He engages in some Q&A with syllogism, the main pusher of the Palmar lynch, asking for some posts: On July 23 2012 09:41 layabout wrote: If there are post's then i am sure you can show me them. And it's totally understandable (for me at least), because what he sees from syllo are posts like On July 19 2012 08:21 syllogism wrote: Pretty sure palmar is mafia as well. Some of his posts are very reasonable and I even agree with the a lot of content, but his tone and attitude is off. He is also putting in as little effort as possible and basically ignoring me and sandroba despite even at one point calling sandroba confirmed town. Yes this is a very lazy "case" and he probably won't be a lynch candidate tomorrow. On July 21 2012 04:38 syllogism wrote: It's his overall behavior, lack of effort and attitude towards me and sandroba especially. Some of his reads I think are genuine (for example what he says about layabout) and some clearly are not (his BM read). Can you find anything that indicates he cares about the town and wants to push town towards anything useful? He just pops in to say something irrelevant. Town palmar would never think I'm mafia by this point (as a side note, I actually think that there is a chance that he thought that I was early on and tried to "communicate" with me by random voting me). I don't know how good of a player layabout is but him being null on Palmar is inconclusive, because he could be town (or even scum) who genuinely can't see it or scum who sees but is feigning ignorance. However, what is strange is his defense of Palmar: On July 19 2012 08:34 layabout wrote: Do you know why Palmar is hiding all of his reasons for his reads? Why are you sitting back and not acting upon your day1 reads given that "strong day1 reads" is one of the best "qualities"? He is defending Palmar, but doesn't move to accuse syllo of faulty reasoning / accusation. He defends Palmar is town, but doesn't consider syllo as potential scum either. On July 23 2012 09:55 layabout wrote: Syllogism you are aggressively pushing this lynch but your aren't saying WHY Palmar is scum. Why? Here it's like he is goading someone else to accuse syllo because he doesn't want to do it himself. On July 21 2012 09:35 layabout wrote: Palmar and Foolishness are calling syllogism mafia. Syllogism in turn is calling both Palmar and Foolishness mafia. Many of you insist on speculating that the host will have made the CEO one of these players (or sandroba or Meapak). It is always dangerous to make decisions based upon out-guessing the host. But if we are aiming to kill the CEO we should plac e our attention on those 3 players. He believes Palmar is town, and that Palmar called syllogism mafia, but doesn't (read. isn't willing to) connect the dots together. Layabout is acting like mafia who wants to defend a scum buddy but is scared of accusing another scum buddy. I have incredible eyestrain right now so will follow up the other requests tomorrow. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
On July 23 2012 12:55 Probulous wrote: Fair nuff, I know you will be back Can you explain the bank to me? I looked up Merc Mini where you were a bank but I didn't get the connection to this game. Oh and this would be a nice clarification too oh, yeah. I wanted to answer that one, but forgot to. The thing is I don't want to make this too obvious. I don't want everyone to figure it out... hmm. Read my post roleclaiming to be the bank. Look at what abilities I claimed I had do to being a bank. See how they were proven true by other people's action. I had a bank security system, I had employees, I had protection (couldn't kill me) since I was a building - a bank of all buildings, and I had a vault. See how that played out in the thread. Then read the ending.. (note, I made a big mistake that game to my detriment. I thought I had a survival role instead of a sk role). | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
@layabout What are your opinions on Risk.Nuke and Meapak? Also your reasons for thinking Palmar is town are required. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Thank you Hail the Chezimites! Hail Lord Viscera! | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On July 23 2012 12:42 Chezinu wrote: OK! First OFF, The mafia is panicking!! have you seen how many mafia posts there are pre-page 139? SOOO many.. I just skipped most of them to avoid hurting my sound town mind. If you would pick someone randomly to kill from those pages you will likey hit scum. Just avoid Prob, cause I likes him. Prob, just noticed the exact same thing I noticed about slOosh and someone breadcrumb my suspensions. Therefore, ##Vote slOosh oh and mafia try and calm yourselves down. Your just outing yourselves. I know your angry about the CEO and how he played. But you don't have to complain openly about it in the thread, making you obvious scum for the lynch. See what I did thar? oh and gonaz, stop trying to communicate secretly in the thread. You aren't skilled as me, thanks. they're always panicking if you start cutting the heads off >:-D to increase the panic we lynch in the following order: palmar meapak_ziph sloOsh gonzaw | ||
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
On July 23 2012 12:48 Probulous wrote: Chez, no love for Palmar? He has Jackal.. Just reread the bank game... It was soo funny! so many things I forgot about. To bad you can't read the PMs.. it made the game hilarious. On July 18 2011 11:36 Chezinu wrote: PS to self: Never predict deaths again.. it will only get you killed. Don't reveal what you know, it will only get you killed!!! You can't exclaim how well you read.. You cannot shout the truth loudly!!! For if you do.. You doomed to the end!!! OH LA LA LALELA!! LA LA LELA!! On July 18 2011 11:40 Chezinu wrote: You shouldn't pretend to be something greater than what you really are... For the bluff shields only last for a while... They only last for a while.... OH OH LA LE DA DON'T YOU KNOW THE TRUTH!!!! You cannot go around telling people the truth... For who besides the mafia, would ever believe you... For two worlds you've made the same... the same old mistake!!!!!! You frighten the mafia... but you also scare the town!!!! OH OH LA LE DA!! What are you to dooo?!?!?!? Look what you made of what was given to you!!! Nothing but what is leet is left in your hands!!! Its just so hard to follow this advice sometimes.. It sometimes better to troll for the laughs.. Winning without trolling, just isn't as satisfying: Chezinu Filter when he is mafia Note: more than half the posts were post-game However, when you troll too much its nice to play a sane game once in a while. | ||
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
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Chezinu
United States7432 Posts
##Unvote ##Vote Palmer | ||
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