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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On July 15 2012 12:40 Zephirdd wrote: That post was fucking ridiculous Sinensis. Don't you fucking dare to come at me with a fucking "my favorite post this entire game". You objectively ignored everything I said just to piss me off. And prplhz was fucking scum and I was fucking right. Analyse the situation before pulling a fucking conspiracy "most-vocal-player-in-town-is-scum" bullshit. Yes, I am still mad. And I bothered rebutting because that's what a town player should do. You don't need to explain yourself. Despite acting dumb I know what you were trying to explain. I knew it at the time. | ||
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Dangeresque77
United States65 Posts
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Dangeresque77
United States65 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
don't do that again >,<' | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On July 15 2012 12:53 Zephirdd wrote: :< I am less mad now. don't do that again >,<' I always try to make a splash day 1. And I hope you stay less mad because you were the most coherent person all game and I'll be in trouble if we go into another game and you've got a vendetta against me.  | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On July 15 2012 12:56 Sinensis wrote: I always try to make a splash day 1. And I hope you stay less mad because you were the most coherent person all game and I'll be in trouble if we go into another game and you've got a vendetta against me. nah, different games are different. If I ever get dayvig you're dead | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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slOosh
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
horrible scum play when i could just not have acted like a moron on day1 and not had to fakeclaim. don't really know about anybody else 'cause i didn't read the thread. all my cases were just skimming someone's filter and then just finding whatever. the only remotely good thing i did was when zentor was getting lynched on day2 and marv said On July 10 2012 09:21 marvellosity wrote: Ugh. For some reason this feels like a mistake :<<< then i wrote a post that made him go On July 10 2012 20:57 marvellosity wrote: I like this whole post actually. You've put your finger on why I'm feeling uncomfortable. The thing is - was Zentor's refusal to answer my question on Sinensis (repeatedly) scummy? For definite. I mean, I only got antagonistic after I had to ask him for the third time. But why the deuce would he actually pick a whole fight with me? I mean, surely he can't be so unselfaware that he wouldn't know he would come off worse on that one. I'm just remembering WoF where, for reasons that are still a mystery to the entire community, as town he decided to piss off the entire game and get himself lynched. He's basically talked himself into being lynched, which is super dumb as townie but perhaps on the flip side, unforgivable/unconceivable as scum. Sigh. Actually I think I could get down with a VE lynch. Some of what's been in the cases so far I've agreed with, some not. I think the most mileage comes from examining his votes and the reasons behind them. I will go over the cases on him and his filter and see what I think. Actually as of yesterday I felt I could lynch VE, but I didn't feel the need to let that out the bag so early. marv opened himself up to manipulation with that first post and he probably shouldn't have done that (or at least you should be perfectly aware that you're doing it). that's literally the only thing i had to do as scum all game. i don't know what zentor or bluelightz did 'cause i very literally didn't read any of their posts, didn't even skim them. if you guys hadn't tunneled each other for bad reasons then i'm pretty sure you would have figured everything out (with exception of sinensis whose play i don't understand at all). next time just lynch a guy who acts like a moron like i did. if not then policy lynch zentor or sinensis 'cause you very likely cannot read them anyway. maybe drwiggl3s was a good day1 lynch (i didn't read any of his posts) but you could probably have done better. | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
marv and zeph had a good partnership going with a lot of trust but it seems more like you used it to whip each other into a frenzy than actually talking about things. | ||
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NoSmurfHere
New Zealand613 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On July 15 2012 11:40 Zephirdd wrote: 1. Marvellosity You worked the hardest. You should've listened to me on the VE/MrZentor shit tho T_T Especially to you, the last few posts from VE should be evidence that he was town. This was your biggest mistake IMO. To be honest, even without the vig shot, I'd never think of you as scum all game long. Confirming yourself was insanely good though. Well done. Not much else to say really. Maybe don't doubt your MrZentor lynch like that? 2. NoSmurfHere(wbg?) Vanilla claim was great LOL. It actually worked into catching bluelightz. I don't know why we didn't push him more, and instead opted for his target day 1. Overall, I don't remember doubting your innocence and felt you were a good day 1 shot target(along with me and marv). 3. slOosh When you say you'll do something, do it goddamnit. Like voting Zentor when we ask. You also gotta agree your case on me was terrible. The reason is simple: I didn't give space for a good case come at me. You became paranoid when I started tunneling you, and I think you should revise that. Your earlier posts also looked a bit shady; On MSMM, you were very different. That's why we all had so much suspicion on you. 6. Dangeresque77 Somehow, I feel that instaclaim on JK was the correct thing to do. I hate the lack of breadcrumbs, but instaclaiming right after I claim the rb was good because this is a mini and there was another confirmed town. However, you lacked on your vanilla department. Your scumhunting was sub-par, and most of the time you were only sheeping marv and me. Doubt everything, and play for yourself. Don't leave the game on the hands of the others, especially when you are semi-confirmed. 8. Sinensis When you are town, don't overthink your posts. That gives us mechanical posts that resemble a lot of a cautious scum. You were vanilla, you didn't had to be shy. You did a good job pissing me off day 1 though; and I admit it gave me some ideas for some cool plays. Still, you sheeped too much and put too little pressure into the scum team. These are some things worth mentioning 10. VE I'm sorry  This is how it worked for me. I thought you were town. Then I realized you were always in the middle of the voters. Then I remembered that (useless) text I read about voters. Then I made some suspicion on you, thought you were scum, but your reactions made me realize you actually were town. To be honest, purely defending yourself is bad. When you are under pressure, you gotta show you are town not only by defending yourself, but by showing you can find scum. You didn't show much of scumhunting day 1 either. You improved from MSMM though, and that's awesome. Much better to play with you here. 11. MsZontar Next time your brother doesn't help you with the game, call him scum please. Post more, be more active. Forum mafia is very different from live mafia as in it requires a lot more activity and you can't just go "I'm not sure ##vote". Hopefully you get these things right in the future :D 12. drwiggl3s The lynch on you was bad. I was away at the time and couldn't fight against it. Well, I'm not sure how I'd react though. Day 1 lynches are always a pain though so there isn't much I can talk about here ;x The Aberrants MrZentor I KNEW YOU WERE FUCKING SCUM SADGASFDHSDFHKJAHDJKFGASKJDGHDF well played sir. At various points, I was thinking "wait, I think I'm wrong" and I thought you were town by the endgame. I'm glad my case on you was objectively correct though, helps me hunt moar :D prplhz BALLS. Claiming cop day 1? Fuck you. Why didn't I question that. I had you, but you came back with some emotional bullshit and a cop claim? I mean, that's a prime example of an excellent use of TL mafia meta, when we had so many mislynches by bullshit lately. Congratulations. Bluelightz I had a lot of doubts on you, but I thought all the time "He is always a big question mark so I can't read him". I can't believe it took me so long to realize you were scum. Well played sir. Overall, scum team successfully raped town. I feel ashamed to let the day 1 stuff pass by that way. Anyways, GGWP scum. Deserve a mention on mafia awards. Zephirdd - it was a pleasure playing with you, you really stepped up your town game from how I remembered it (perhaps unfairly?). I hope to play as town along with you again soon. The irony is that prplhz was our first case and then Zentor was our first majority on day 2. Should have stuck with our instincts early... | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
Post Game Notes The Setup- This setup was a standard 2 blues vs 3 scum, one of them a PR. I doubt anyone has any concerns about balance on that front. I originally toyed both with the idea of swaping the vigi for a dt and the idea of replacing the jailkeeper with another vigilante or a vet. The setup I almost went with was two vets, a vigi and a jailkeeper (remember that the jailkeepers roleblock breaks the vets protection for the night) against a scum team containing both a rolecop and a roleblocker, but I decided against it because i felt that the scumteam would likely not be up for the challenge of blue-hunting with the rolecop on top of trying to survive. Numbering scale. I'm giving each player a post game score. a 10/10 is for an epic godlike play, the kind of which deserves an award. a 1/10 is for people who lurked and failed to contribute, 5/5 is "decent" play, not great, but solid, 3/10 is what I would expect from a first time player. the scoring will be harsh, as I want it to reflect that fact that people still have a lot of room to improve. Do not take these personally, but rather consider them a chance to learn about how to become a better player. Scumplay- For all the praise its getting, I feel like the scumteam did not play to the best of their ability. Admittedly it turned out to be unnecessary, but there are a couple things I think would have likely improved their chances of success against a more organized town. Player by player 1.)Prplhz: Don't panic. When the town piled on you early day 1, you panicked and fakeclaimed, a more competent town would have lynched you anyway, on the principle that a claimed cop is worthless (they generally are) and that it is a fairly "safe" claim for scum to make. Rather than claim like that when there was such a flimsy case on you, you would have been better served by coming up with a more tangible case on someone else and explaining his past behavior away. With a few hours left in the day and plenty of people who you could accuse of trying to "blend in" you could have avoided the inevitable scrutiny of your claim (which didn't happen, and which I will comment on in my town discussion), especially because a large element of the case against you was "went afk" had you shown up with a decent case against say SloOsh then you could have averted the lynch without taking the risk of claiming. Your complete missuse of the rolecop ability is unforgivable however, as even a single vet in the game would have ruined your day when you used it on bluelightz day 2, remember, knowledge is power, squander your ability to obtain knowledge and you *will* lose. However you did take an important role on deflecting the case on Zentor day 2, and you were the most active member of your team both in blending in and misdirecting, so I'll give you a 7/10 and the Scum MVP 2.) Bluelightz: Good news, bad news, the good news, you did a pretty good job blending in given the circumstances, the bad news is you didn't take much of a leadership role, and that kind of passivity will kill a scumteam up against a competent town. Now there isn't anything wrong with the survivors approach, but if your team gets picked off, it puts you in a LYLO pickle. Your rapid change of opinion when the VE lynch was locked and your general sheeping of the majority opinion are great to avoid attention and focus, not so great to avoid being lynched for being scum trying to blend in. To improve your scumplay you need to decide what direction to take it and focus on that, if you want to take the greenest townie approach, you need to be both more active and more focused and consistent with your opinions, posts like this and this are very wishy washy and the kind of posts a good scum-hunter will spot almost immediately when reading your filter. If you want to develop a more disruptive style, you need to find a stronger voice and learn how to deflect the blame off of your actions onto someone else. It looked to me like you were trying this with the VE lynch, but it was too blatant and not nearly underhanded enough. Still, good effort, as you avoided being the main focus of a lynch for the entirety of the game. 6/10 3.) MrZentor - You sir, are the definition of a scummy lurker. The only long posts you have are those which are a defense of yourself, and even those radiate "not making much of an effort". It worked out really well this game, and its certainly a viable tactic in larger games, especially for remaining hidden, still a single vigi more aiming at lurkers and people who only seemed to care about defending themselves and not getting modkilled would have really ruined your day. I'm really surprised the rest of the town didn't pick up on your scummy behavior. A win is a win though, although I think a more active disruption style would fit your play perfectly. Take a look at how Ace plays when he goes all active disruption and maybe give that a try, I think with your spammy aggressive style you could really get into a couple of solid arguments with townies/scummates and tie up the thread with those. 5/10 Not great play, but certainly effective Overall score: 6/10, your team played better than the town, but still made some easy to fix mistakes and did not play a technically challenging game at all, no matter how effective your play was. You also squandered the rolecop ability Scum MVP: Prplhz Townplay Some very basic mistakes defined the tone and arrangement of the town's play this game. Most notable was a complete refusal to talk their way through claims and figure out the underlying logic (which would have rendered any cred from prplhz claim null and void), an inability to stick with a solid case (which in part was aided by the mafia interference) and, above all, an targeting of people who were annoying, as opposed to scum. The huge rift between SloOsh and VE day 2 should have indicated to players with cooler heads that both were town, yet no-one capitalized on this. There was also the fact that only one person even looked at the voting lists. Just from the day 1 and 2 voting lists you could have figured out at least one, if not more mafia. You should have all reconsidered the sloosh lynch when there wasn't everyone on it (a bus) or another highly contested case (scum trying to push a final myslynch), seeing 1, 1, 1 ,5 should have tipped you guys off. 1.) marvellosity - You need more confidence. It is rare that I say this, but tunnel more. You had some excellent early reads, and allowed the opinions of others to muddle them, remember, trust your reads and your gut and you'll be fine. You made an excellent vigi shot, taking out a lurker who was adding nothing to the town. Your second thoughts on the VE train are worthwhile, but once again you let fear (this time of a no lynch) steer you wrong. Other than that, you led the town and established your innocence early on, which is all excellent town play. Your activity was also stellar. Work on looking at the less active players more, and on sticking to your guns (not to the point of obsession, but more than you've done currently) and I expect good games from you. 7/10 2.) NoSmurfHere - You died night 1, so there isn't that much for me to criticize unfortunately. You did a fine job of seeming town and your day 1 was focused on punishing lurkers, which is fine. 5/10 since there isn't much for me to say, sorry T.T 3.) slOosh - Tunnel less, the battle between you and VE is a pretty clear indicator of two townies arguing to death. Had you just taken a step back and looked at it coldly, you would have seen the people who avoided involvment and edged you on, and been able to kill mafia, instead your stubbornness resulted in your lynch. Still, you were active and open with your opinions, while your misslynch sucked, its not entirely your fault. Your reads were all over the place (and your overly complex theory about D77 being mafia is in line with the kind of stuff overly paranoid townies concoct), which is meh, your case on prpl was good though, you should have stuck with just it day 3 rather than going on tangents all over the place. Not terrible play, but I know you can do better. Remember, go one scum at a time, and *always* take a step back to reconsider a few hours before a lynch. 5/10 Not terrible by any means, also not one of your best games. 4.) Zephirdd - I really, really liked your first 24 hours of play or so. I was less happy when instead of taking a close look at prplhz cop claim, you decided that by policy you don't lynch a claimed blue day 1, when in reality, the worth of a claimed cop is questionable at best, more questionable if you have a strong read (which you said you did) indicating he is scum. I liked that you tried vote analysis, but next time consider looking at the people who are voting for cases with no traction as to avoid attention. Going off of scumslips is a terrible idea, don't do it again, town tend to have "scumslips" as often as scum, so its an inefficient method of hunting, at best use it to bolster a case, never as a reason to try to lynch someone by itself. Your play was solid on many respects, especially trying to analyze situations and votes, but you let your emotions get in the way, lashing out at anyone who called you scum. You also didn't really establish your innocence, although that is not entirely your fault, as it was clear you were trying, 6/10, you can do better, but you were pretty good. 5.) Dangeresque77 - Don't randomly claim. For the love of god, that was a pretty illogical and completely out of the blue claim. Only claim when the information provided from your claim helps the town. Your activity was rather low, although your choices of targets was, for the most part, pretty satisfactory. You could have done a lot more for the town, you weren't shy about giving opinions, but you could have given more and given better reasoning behind your opinions. You also let the majority sway you more than I think you should have. Still, for a first game, it was quite satisfactory, 5/10. 6.) Sinensis - Be more active. I was highly disappointed by your activity level. While you had some ok post, I was highly underwhelmed, you asked some good questions, made some decent observations, but failed to really lead or even deliver anything. I get the feeling you weren't really invested in the game. My challenge for you for next game is to actively take charge of the town for one lynch, post cases on your number one suspect and push for him to be lynched, even if just for 48 hours. 4/10 because of lurker status. 7.) VisceraEyes - I for one, applaud your new, less disruptive style. Your push on prplhz day 1 was very notable and I applaud you for it, but your unvote of him because he posted what was pretty clearly a scum omgus made me sad >.<. Its even worse when you insisted that his claim was crap and didn't try to get him lynched for it. Had you provided the reasoning for it, I expect you would have been able to get him lynched. Outside of your case on Sinensis, I was glad you caught onto how scummy MrZentor was. You gave your defense your all, and I can't help but feel that your accusation of SloOsh was less logically motivated and more emotionally led. Since it almost destroyed the town, I would suggest you avoid that kind of knee jerk reaction next time. Unfortunately given your scumplay its really hard for you to establish your towniness. Good job on defense, and your cases when not emotionally compromised. 7/10 It would be higher, but you got yourself lynched *and* led to the rift which gave scum their day 3 mislynch. 8.) MsZontar - You weren't very active and died quite early, so there isn't much for me to say, I expect you will do much better next game, where you will actually actively post day 1, even if you aren't really clear on what is going on. 2/10, as you were inactive and ate a vigi bullet. GL next game though ^_^ 9.) drwiggl3s - You were lynched day 1, not much for me to say. Your play was not terrible but your absence for the 24 hours before you got lynched, crippled you. I didn't see enough to offer any constructive criticism outside of "be around to defend yourself". Hopefully next game events won't conspire against you. 3/10 because being the day 1 lynch without putting up a defense sucks. Town overall score: 4/10 you guys had some really nice players who made good efforts, but you all failed to work together effectively or really decide on any people you thought were really town. Better coordination and more analysis (especially of claims and voting patterns) would have saved you guys. 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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-B2aBD0El_WQ/T3wo7_KXSRI/AAAAAAAACFQ/1pz9rbjW8AE/s1600/true+story.jpg) GM, thank's for hosting as well as the scoring(rofl), my thought process when I play scum is just do whatever lol >.>, a Town Bluelightz would also be swayed by that VE defense, I just did what I would do as town lol (not saying that would've been a good thing to do as town do lolol :p). Dear Townies in this game, This is Bluelightz, some serious advice, don't switch on someone only 2 people support on day 1 please (lolol me and wbg), you guys had our role cop in the bag........ until the last 20 minutes  Lots of love (<333333333333333333333), Bluelightz P.S more love for lynching slOosh, that dude was totally scum ^^ | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
On July 16 2012 00:34 GMarshal wrote: ok, updated. Is there such thing as a town mvp? | ||
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GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
There is now :-P | ||
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