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I've decided just to address a singleton point in Zeph's case as an example. Because most of this town doesn't like to read and engaging in a bout will just turn people off, which will lead to a "I can't be arsed whatever I'll vote slOosh" mislynch.
I think if you truly spend time to read my case you will find that Zeph doesn't actually address many my points, and when he nitpicks for something to defend, he turns it around against me saying that I am fabricating things. I'm not making stuff up, read my case.
On July 11 2012 20:39 Zephirdd wrote:Finally: Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 09:48 Zephirdd wrote:Look at sloosh's response. If that doesn't make a Zentor/Sloosh team, idk what it is. Also Sloosh said:
Don't let the passive aggressive get to you. I'm not going to switch if you are actually wavering in your read of VE, since it means he will be alive D3 and probably marv's gonna get shot and I dunno if you have the guts to pull off a VE lynch. If marv gets shot D3, it's incredible for us. Because that would be D77 was roleblocked(he HAS to jail marv). And that would mean prplhz would have a check for us. He takes the quote that I say (my preference for VE over MrZentor lynch) as a sign that I am scum (who is hesitant to vote for scum buddy). Sure. But then he makes this post: On July 11 2012 09:54 Zephirdd wrote:On July 11 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not anymore! slOosh is literally claiming scum by refusing to switch to Zentor. He literally said "I don't care who we lynch"...except he DOES doesn't he? He wants ME lynched. That's NOT what he said earlier. And that would mean Zentor has to be scum as well. Bingo! Where now labels me scum, and therefore Zentor is scum in association with me. It's the complete opposite of what he just said. Because I'm hesitant to vote for Zentor, he must be scum? Then how am I scum? Zephirdd is making stuff up to push his agenda. I invite anyone to read the first and second passage of sloosh's. This is what he said: "He takes an argument and calls me and mrzentor scum. sure. But then he calls me and mrzentor scum!" And then he says its the opposite?! REALLY? That's blatantly forging of arguments in order to push a terrible, terrible case. This is not sloosh. This is an aberrant. Sloosh is a really, really good town player perfectly capable of making simple associations.
He is avoiding the issue that I bring up. In the first quote, he says MrZentor is scum and by association slOosh must be scum too. In the second, he says that slOosh is scum, and therefore by association, MrZentor is scum too. There is inconsistency - he wants to call us both scum but is using non-existent reasoning to push it. Notice how he doesn't even address it - instead he mocks my case and my play this game.
Sloosh has been pushing a terrible, forged case in order to cast suspicion on a townie at LYLO.
Sloosh is Aberrant.
Tomorrow we will be lynching Sloosh, and the day after we will lynch MrZentor. By that time, it will be 2v1 and I'm pretty sure the remaining town(I doubt I'll live 'till then) will be able to find the last scum.
Here he isn't really thinking ahead, he is just making stuff up. We have 8 players, 5 town 3 scum. Suppose that I am scum. Night shot -> 4 town 3 scum. Lynch me -> 4 town 2 scum. Night shot 3 town 2 scum. Note that the night shots have to be on marv (confirmed town) and D77 (jailor who would protect). Lynch Zentor 3 town 1 scum. Shoot Zeph? Not prplhz the claimed and in his eyes confirmed cop?
You can also note the same exact contradiction. If he is ok with lynching both me and MrZentor, why must I go first? From his perspective, he sees me as scummy for preferring a VE lynch over MrZentor, however he does the exact same thing and has no problem with it.
Zeph isn't confused / naively misunderstanding connections. He is pushing scum agenda. Marv you mentioned the miller thing:
On July 01 2012 13:20 Zephirdd wrote:Okay then, My absolutely flawless plan of drawing a shot night 1 fucking worked. Basically, I went full apeshit on the miller stuff, focusing so much on "protecting our blues" and "we need to keep the possible blue pool as large as possible!" into "holy shit I'm a vanilla and I was shot n1"  Is that logic correct, rastaban?
It was to draw a shot N1. What is he doing this game? He is using it to defend prphlz, drawing tenuous relations, setting up mislynches without proper reason: he is pushing scum agenda.
p.s. I appeal to marv the most since he seems to be the only town person actively reading this game. Anyone else please state concerns / questions to me. Because ironically, everyone else went AWOL after the VE lynch.
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Drop the meta - have you ever played with me / seen me play past D1?
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Whatever if you think I'm scum then I did a poor job / scum did a good one. I've said all that I could and if you won't believe me, neither will this sheeping half-assed town. I apologize to any town players who have actually been putting effort in; I can't see it though so please pardon my frustration.
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On July 12 2012 00:59 marvellosity wrote:
You're scum because what you claimed at the time of the lynch was a 'mistake' was a wilful manipulation of the facts.
You're scum because you're playing differently than usual (not merely 'more confidently' as per Movie analysis).
You're scum because you have several posts where my brow furrowed at the train of thought which pretty much never happens to me with town slOosh.
You're scum because I was backing down from VE based on an emotional gut reaction to the fact he was dumping a shitload of information on to town, you effectively bullied me into voting for him without apparently at all considering his defence.
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On July 12 2012 01:02 slOosh wrote:
Drop the meta - have you ever played with me / seen me play past D1?
also yes, Liar Mafia.
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On July 11 2012 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
But I've given reasoning for my reads! This is ridiculous guys, I don't even understand what this lynch is about. Everyone's case contains WAAAY too much insinuating scum motivation for my actions/inactions, and honestly there's no defense that will satisfy people like slOosh and prplhz who have been hardline against me all day.
Your minds are made up, but that doesn't make me scum, and it doesn't change the fact that lynching me IS a mislynch.
Honestly, whatever happened to a MrZentor lynch? Why when I support the lynch and give reasoning for it is everyone suddenly wanting to lynch me? I understand that some have had their minds up all day, but some actually had reasoning to be on Zentor until sentiment favored a VE lynch.
I'm looking at slOosh here. The strangest part about his support of my lynch is the fact that he's completely unwilling to hear me defend myself....but I find that completely scummy because he was willing to lynch MrZentor before that. And slOosh isn't the type to be swayed by connections that don't exist, which strikes "VE is on Zentor" from the list of possibilities...so why? Why would he pull support from a Zentor lynch in favor of a VE lynch if he thinks we're both scum?
And what about his mysterious read on Sinensis? All he's said on the matter is "I have my reasons" and "he's looking more townie" but never elaborates on why...especially considering he was present DURING Sinensis' defense and was arguing with him. He never comments on my comments on Sinensis, which I find scummy because if he were a townie and had a change of heart re: Sinensis, it seems to me that he'd at least be interested in what I have to say on the matter...but it's never mentioned. Not. Once. Marv mentioned it, and semi-agreed with it. But slOosh couldn't be bothered.
Ultimately, I'm reading slOosh as scum. This has nothing to do with the fact that he's attacking me - it has to do with the reasons I just gave you.
Prplhz checking MsZontar didn't make sense - she was on track to be the lynch today, and was the target of vigs, by the vocal townies in the thread. Sinensis would have been a much better check, or me if he's suspicious of me, or Zentor, or FUCKING ANYONE but MsZontar. You guys should seriously scrutinze prplhz if he lives tomorrow and is roleblocked again.
So, my reads at time of death, is slOosh, prplhz, Sinensis.
On preliminary reading I am inclined to agree with this. prplhz/Zentor interchangeable. More to come later.
I couldn't actually remember what VE had said here, but I was just going through slOosh's filter and the Sinensis thing screamed at me too.
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On July 12 2012 01:01 slOosh wrote:I've decided just to address a singleton point in Zeph's case as an example. Because most of this town doesn't like to read and engaging in a bout will just turn people off, which will lead to a "I can't be arsed whatever I'll vote slOosh" mislynch. I think if you truly spend time to read my case you will find that Zeph doesn't actually address many my points, and when he nitpicks for something to defend, he turns it around against me saying that I am fabricating things. I'm not making stuff up, read my case. Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 20:39 Zephirdd wrote:Finally: On July 11 2012 09:48 Zephirdd wrote:Look at sloosh's response. If that doesn't make a Zentor/Sloosh team, idk what it is. Also Sloosh said:
Don't let the passive aggressive get to you. I'm not going to switch if you are actually wavering in your read of VE, since it means he will be alive D3 and probably marv's gonna get shot and I dunno if you have the guts to pull off a VE lynch. If marv gets shot D3, it's incredible for us. Because that would be D77 was roleblocked(he HAS to jail marv). And that would mean prplhz would have a check for us. He takes the quote that I say (my preference for VE over MrZentor lynch) as a sign that I am scum (who is hesitant to vote for scum buddy). Sure. But then he makes this post: On July 11 2012 09:54 Zephirdd wrote:On July 11 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not anymore! slOosh is literally claiming scum by refusing to switch to Zentor. He literally said "I don't care who we lynch"...except he DOES doesn't he? He wants ME lynched. That's NOT what he said earlier. And that would mean Zentor has to be scum as well. Bingo! Where now labels me scum, and therefore Zentor is scum in association with me. It's the complete opposite of what he just said. Because I'm hesitant to vote for Zentor, he must be scum? Then how am I scum? Zephirdd is making stuff up to push his agenda. I invite anyone to read the first and second passage of sloosh's. This is what he said: "He takes an argument and calls me and mrzentor scum. sure. But then he calls me and mrzentor scum!" And then he says its the opposite?! REALLY? That's blatantly forging of arguments in order to push a terrible, terrible case. This is not sloosh. This is an aberrant. Sloosh is a really, really good town player perfectly capable of making simple associations. He is avoiding the issue that I bring up. In the first quote, he says MrZentor is scum and by association slOosh must be scum too. In the second, he says that slOosh is scum, and therefore by association, MrZentor is scum too. There is inconsistency - he wants to call us both scum but is using non-existent reasoning to push it. Notice how he doesn't even address it - instead he mocks my case and my play this game. Show nested quote +
Sloosh has been pushing a terrible, forged case in order to cast suspicion on a townie at LYLO.
Sloosh is Aberrant.
Tomorrow we will be lynching Sloosh, and the day after we will lynch MrZentor. By that time, it will be 2v1 and I'm pretty sure the remaining town(I doubt I'll live 'till then) will be able to find the last scum.
Here he isn't really thinking ahead, he is just making stuff up. We have 8 players, 5 town 3 scum. Suppose that I am scum. Night shot -> 4 town 3 scum. Lynch me -> 4 town 2 scum. Night shot 3 town 2 scum. Note that the night shots have to be on marv (confirmed town) and D77 (jailor who would protect). Lynch Zentor 3 town 1 scum. Shoot Zeph? Not prplhz the claimed and in his eyes confirmed cop? You can also note the same exact contradiction. If he is ok with lynching both me and MrZentor, why must I go first? From his perspective, he sees me as scummy for preferring a VE lynch over MrZentor, however he does the exact same thing and has no problem with it. Zeph isn't confused / naively misunderstanding connections. He is pushing scum agenda. Marv you mentioned the miller thing: Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 13:20 Zephirdd wrote:Okay then, My absolutely flawless plan of drawing a shot night 1 fucking worked. Basically, I went full apeshit on the miller stuff, focusing so much on "protecting our blues" and "we need to keep the possible blue pool as large as possible!" into "holy shit I'm a vanilla and I was shot n1" Is that logic correct, rastaban? It was to draw a shot N1. What is he doing this game? He is using it to defend prphlz, drawing tenuous relations, setting up mislynches without proper reason: he is pushing scum agenda. p.s. I appeal to marv the most since he seems to be the only town person actively reading this game. Anyone else please state concerns / questions to me. Because ironically, everyone else went AWOL after the VE lynch.
Waitaminute.
It's 5 town, 3 scum right?
If they have a strongarm/godfather, then we already lost no? Strongarm shoots marv, scum shoots D77. Me, prplhz, Sinensis, Bluelightz, sloosh and zentor. 3v3.
The fact that the game isn't over yet is either GM is waiting the night actions, or there is no strongarm. yay?
Anyways, they don't ever have to shoot prplhz because a) people aren't giving him that much credit and b) roleblocking him essentially does not make him cop anymore.
So why would they leave me alive, considering I'm the one who everyone is saying "I have no reason to call him scum"?
I was calling you both scum at the same time. Not one dependent of the other. Like, "sloosh is scum" <-> "mrzentor is scum". The second quote justified a MrZentor lynch(because you obviously wouldn't get enough votes).
Don't tell me there is non-existent reasoning to call you two scum. MrZentor has plenty of cases, and you are scum because you wanted to protect him(+ VE case on you).
And you are right!
If he is ok with lynching both me and MrZentor, why must I go first?
I never said you had to go first though! I said you both are scum! In fact, I would rather have MrZentor lynched yesterday than you. That's where I was going to purpose the simple thingy.
We lynch MrZentor tomorrow. When he flips scum, we lynch you. Easy not?
Addendum: I actually believed the miller thing(I even discussed it a bit on obs qt iirc, or simply agreed to wbg's analysis). The "to draw a shot" part I included when I started focusing blues while still talking about millers. Didn't work out in the end, but it's not like I started a bullshit discussion just to draw shots. I started a bullshit discussion because I believed it was true, and then I thought "huuh fuck. I think I'm wrong. Let's try to draw shots!".
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Zephirdd, two things: currently I am much more confident in slOosh scum than Zentor
Secondly you misunderstand strongarm - it is not a 2nd shot, it's just the KP is given double strength (breaks through protects/veteran)
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On July 12 2012 01:57 marvellosity wrote:
Zephirdd, two things: currently I am much more confident in slOosh scum than Zentor
Secondly you misunderstand strongarm - it is not a 2nd shot, it's just the KP is given double strength (breaks through protects/veteran)
Oh. That's it? I really thought it was a second kp.
Great. Still, scum have no reason to shoot prplhz when they can just roleblock him all the time.
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Don't tell me there is non-existent reasoning to call you two scum. MrZentor has plenty of cases, and you are scum because you wanted to protect him(+ VE case on you).
You're saying I'm scum because there are plenty of cases against me?
Wow.
Just wow.
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On July 12 2012 02:32 MrZentor wrote:
Don't tell me there is non-existent reasoning to call you two scum. MrZentor has plenty of cases, and you are scum because you wanted to protect him(+ VE case on you).
You're saying I'm scum because there are plenty of cases against me?
Wow.
Just wow.
No, I'm saying there is reasons to call you scum(aka. cases).
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The problem I have with that reason is that the cases against me are terrible.
The quality, not the quantity, of the cases dictates the likeliness of me being scum.
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Give me a decent reason for why I'm scum, so I know you're not just a scum sheeping other people.
If you don't I'll vote for you in the morning and push for your lynch.
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I would think of all people here you marv would understand what a tunneling VE means.
Point is this: if I am acting out of place, how is it pushing scum agenda? I've shown through my case that Zeph is pushing an agenda and you've yet to discuss the validity of my cases.
How does my interactions with Sinensis show I'm scum? Am I scum for somehow introducing the drwiggl3s alternative lynch? Am I scum for being the first to call him stubborn town? Am I scum when people just say "let's lynch Sinensis" without asking me my opinions? Am I scum for assuming that D1 was a goose chase and that therefore Sinensis was an easy lynch? Am I scum because VE, VE, decided to pull his emotional stuff on me? Am I scum because whilst the MrZentor lynch was rolling along, prplhz comes in and 3 people (you yourself, zeph and D77) switch onto VE before me, and somehow I get all the blame for VE lynch? Am I scum for saying a couple of "off" posts even though you don't know how it's pushing scum agenda?
There is no case against me.
I'll say it again: There is no case against me.
There is only confusion from the VE mislynch and some notion that I'm not performing like a town slOosh would, and scum manipulation of it. Liar game was a PM game. I've died N1 4 out of the last 5 games. I've never had VE wreck my name like that. Of course I won't look exactly like your perceived notions.
I'm not scum.
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On July 12 2012 03:22 slOosh wrote:
I would think of all people here you marv would understand what a tunneling VE means.
Point is this: if I am acting out of place, how is it pushing scum agenda? I've shown through my case that Zeph is pushing an agenda and you've yet to discuss the validity of my cases.
How does my interactions with Sinensis show I'm scum? Am I scum for somehow introducing the drwiggl3s alternative lynch? Am I scum for being the first to call him stubborn town? Am I scum when people just say "let's lynch Sinensis" without asking me my opinions? Am I scum for assuming that D1 was a goose chase and that therefore Sinensis was an easy lynch? Am I scum because VE, VE, decided to pull his emotional stuff on me? Am I scum because whilst the MrZentor lynch was rolling along, prplhz comes in and 3 people (you yourself, zeph and D77) switch onto VE before me, and somehow I get all the blame for VE lynch? Am I scum for saying a couple of "off" posts even though you don't know how it's pushing scum agenda?
There is no case against me.
I'll say it again: There is no case against me.
There is only confusion from the VE mislynch and some notion that I'm not performing like a town slOosh would, and scum manipulation of it. Liar game was a PM game. I've died N1 4 out of the last 5 games. I've never had VE wreck my name like that. Of course I won't look exactly like your perceived notions.
I'm not scum.
*ahem*
my counter-case is a case, silly.
Will work on the MrZentor thing. Meanwhile, questions:
MrZentor, what do you feel about Sinensis now?
How did you feel about marvellosity on day 1?
Thoughts on sloosh, bluelightz?(this is kinda optional, but it's good to create connections)
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I still think Sinensis is scum, but I'm starting to doubt myself because nearly everybody else seems to think that he's innocent. :/
On day one Marv looked townie; in fact, he was looking so townie that I started getting paranoid and thinking that he was scum doing a really good job. XD
It's likely that one of you and Sloosh is scum. Right now, Sloosh is doing a pretty good job of making me think you're the scum, but I'm looking forward to your case on me, so I can be more certain of the accuracy of my decision.
I have no idea if blue is scum or town.
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On July 12 2012 04:26 MrZentor wrote:
It's likely that one of you and Sloosh is scum. Right now, Sloosh is doing a pretty good job of making me think you're the scum, but I'm looking forward to your case on me, so I can be more certain of the accuracy of my decision.
A lot of people seem to think sloosh is scum. I'm not going to disagree with them.
I don't believe you went this entire game being unsuspicious of Zeph, only to read sloosh's surprise case against him and be convinced in any way.
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Hey guys
I usually just look for one scum at a time but we're at LYLO tomorrow. marvellosity is confirmed town by his vigilante shot. Dangeresque77 looks town and there was a roleblock confirming his role, I doubt that scum would tie themselves together like that on day1. Zephirdd has been playing a townie game (and he can't be the roleblocker). That leaves slOosh, Bluelightz, zentor and Sinensis. Of these I think that zentor looks townier. He has been doing something that is very uncharacteristic of scum (as I already pointed out). I think slOosh looks pretty bad by now. Bluelightz has been under the radar for the entire game which I don't think is very much like him. Sinensis is kind of a null but he would be my last scum.
I'll flesh these out if I'm alive tomorrow but now you have my opinion.
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