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Night 2
As the night drew closer, the town grew restless. The abberations had still not been discovered, yet their influence permeated the world.
The dreamers huddled close together for safety discussing what could be done to stop this horror. One man though stood apart from the crowd, reliving the horrors of his troubled past. "The talking", he muttered, "it hurts, it kills, it divides".
As the villagers stared at VisceraEyes, the landscape before them suddenly shifted. A great pit lay before them, with smoldering fires at the bottom. VisceraEyes rose and slowly trudged over to the pit, seemingly oblivious to its dangers.
The townspeople exhorted him to stop, to think about what he was doing. But their words fell on deaf ears as he threw himself into the fires. Some among them snickered, but most watched in horror as steam rose from the closing void.
VisceraEyes, Executor Anderson the Dreamer plunged into the chasm.
+ Show Spoiler [Executor Anderson] +Welcome to Mini Mafia II: You are Executor Anderson a Dreamer. You don't quite know what this dream is, nor do you particularly care. You have been trained in the deadly arts of combat and infiltration since you were 6 and now those reflexes are kicking in. Unfortunately it *also* seems that those repressed memories of wars and atrocities are leaking into the dreamworld. You better get this mob organized and solving whatever the hell the problem is before the really nasty stuff seeps through and begins overwhelming you and this rabble.
You have 24 hours to get night actions to both GMarshal and me. Deadline is 02:00 GMT (+00:00).
+ Show Spoiler [Final Vote Count] +Day 2 Vote Count VisceraEyes (5)ZephirddslOoshprplhz ZephirddSinensis marvellosityZephirddDangeresque77 slOosh Bluelightzmarvellosity Sinensis (1)MrZentor ZephirddDangeresque77VisceraEyesBluelightzMrZentor (1)marvellosityslOoshDangeresque77ZephirddVisceraEyesZephirdd slOosh (2)marvellosityVisceraEyes Bluelightz
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
oh goddamnit.
You die tomorrow slOosh.
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SLOOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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As promised, I am going AWOL until I vent out all my frustration, and coming back with a clearer head.
No doubt my credibility is shot harder than prplhz. What can I do? ah ....
It's lylo tomorrow anyways so I can't even make a proper will ...
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i'll come back later.
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Alright. I realize that I have to get it all out now and convince marv I'm town, otherwise he might die and scum will just push for my lynch and end it so since my credibility is shot, and half of them will be scum.
I'll be reviewing everything from the top. Make the best use of these 24 hours marv, because what you say will determine what I am able to do tomorrow (unless you survive in which case that is simply a 48 hr extension).
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On July 11 2012 11:08 marvellosity wrote:
oh goddamnit.
You die tomorrow slOosh.
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I've cooled off. Your frustration and desire to lynch me is understandable.
I'm still town and will be doing my all to convince you and whoever the rest of town is that I am town, I care about town, and you shouldn't lynch me.
I'll be building my cases starting now until the library closes.
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How did you guys write ten pages in such a short amount of time?
-.-
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ah christ, really wishing that i was online for the mass switch to sloosh.
so he dies today? honestly i would be equally if not more on board for a mrzentor
let see people who i think are town(of course no one (but marv) can be completely confirmed)
marvel-confirmed vigil
prphlz-claimed cop
me
zeph
sin
remaining.
SlOosh
bluelightz
mrzentor
3 mafia are left.
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I'm building case but in the meantime you guys seriously have to reconsider impulse lynching me. Why am I scummy? Because I felt that VE was scum and pushed for his lynch? Please go back and reread so I have something to address.
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Wow, I really wish I had been there for the last few minutes. :/
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Case on prplhz
Scum attributes: apathy, subtle accusations
Point 1: The cop claim
prplhz goofs around D1 and ends up claiming cop:
As discussed prior, his claim is really off. Why would he do it? You can trust town motivated marv and NSH who both expressed concern about the claim. The thing that most surprised me was how he claimed cop. He snuck it into a giant wall of text as a little aside, one that I actually missed till marv freaked out about it:
On July 07 2012 22:45 prplhz wrote:Yea it's pretty hard to summon the energy for anything when five of the biggest town voices in this game are on your back for a couple of one liners. I can't really explain them away with huge town motivation 'cause there weren't much, I was in a bad mood so I did a trolly early game to cheer myself up and then this happened. I can't see another feasible lynch today other than Dangeresque77 and I don' really see him as scum and day1 is often a crap shoot so why not shoot me for being crap. VisceraEyes himself starts the game out with a dumb vote just to get things started. Dumb shit happens in the first few pages all the time. He should really know this because he did it himself but he doesn't. He also seems the the most "bandwagonny" of the people on me, he doesn't contribute with new arguments and it doesn't seem like he understands the case on me at all even though he talks a lot. He called out for me several times and then when I appear he doesn't actually have anything for me. That seems like he is pretty happy with the lynch and he just wants to look good when it's over. Stuff like: Show nested quote +On July 07 2012 08:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Don't appeal to authority marvel, come on.
Zentor, Sinensis has all of ONE post guy...by virtue of post-count ALONE, prplhz has had more of a chance to prove his towniness than Sinensis has.
So because I have five posts of one line, I should be a lot more townie than a guy with one post of four lines? What is this argument? I still don't get why he says that NoSmurfHere is wherebugsgo when he saw the *yawn* thing too and that looks really Aceish. On the other hand it seems like Ace is one of wherebugsgo's favorite players on this forum and maybe he unconsciously adopted some of his mannerisms. I would really rather wait until everybody's been around and talked this through but I'm not sure how much I'm going to be around tonight. I think this lynch is going to be pretty bad 'cause it was a bandwagon off of 5 lines and there's not a lot to get from it when I flip so I'm just going to go ahead and claim cop. Not that it matters for the lynch or anything but maybe some of you want to take it into your considerations.Sorry for sucking so much. Some days are better than others and sometimes you have a shitty day1 and then you get lynched. I haven't been lynched on day1 since forever (actually, I don't think I've ever been lynched on day1, a night1 shot is the best I can do I think) because people know that I always put in some effort. I have like 100 games and no activity modkills. He just outted himself as cop and rendered his blue power useless. Not only that, but the "not that it matters" just shows apathy to town. It is unreasonable to treat a power role so flippantly and claiming so casually, as it makes it so much easier for mafia to deal with it. Apathy.
Point 2: Subtle accusations against me
Multiple times does prplhz say that I did something suspicious, but never has he actually considered me as scum (build a case, engage in conversation with me, discuss me with anyone else).
On July 07 2012 18:11 prplhz wrote:
I don't get how slOosh can actually think that I was sure that marvellosity was scum. He even expresses doubt at this himself but then he just ignores that. First of all it was like two pages into the game. Who the hell has a clear read then? When did anybody ever post something that wasn't gauging reactions in the first pages of a game? Second, if I was sure that he was scum then it would be because there were some really good arguments and then I would have told you guys. Instead slOosh is using this to call me scum when he should really know better.
I didn't do anything? Well that's right, I wasn't here. Yesterday was pretty crappy for me which also contributed to my thread presence. I saw that I got a PM and then I thought "cool, I know how to start this game, I'll do setup speculation" but first I voted slOosh because I thought it was funny that our filters would be identical (single vote, no explanation) but his would be scummy and mine wouldn't (his had no reason and mine has the clear reason that his didn't) and I like to try to cheer myself up when I am in a bad mood. I was kind of trying to cheer myself up. Then I went to setup page and saw that this was a semi-open setup and I had thought it was an open setup (I thought it was Radfield's setup from Newbie Mini Mafia XX) and I don't really know why but that just put me in a crappier mood (not that I prefer open setups to semi-open setups, just that I couldn't do setup speculation like I had planned to). Then I just voted marvellosity to gauge his reaction and to argue with someone ('cause I like a good argument and I was trying to cheer myself up) but he didn't react spontaneously like I had wanted him to (like the "lol, ok" in MSM). Then marvellosity and VisceraEyes had a couple of thoughtful posts in no way similar to what they did in MSM and I posted "not this again........" as a joke, again, to cheer myself up. Then people posted full cases on me but I didn't really feel like responding to any of it (and I don't think that I really can) because I was in a bad mood and then I just pointed out that Dangeresque77 was being way more scummy than I was and I left the thread.
I'm going to be back in a few hours but I'm not going to be around for deadline.
This is his post when he is defending and explaining himself. What I've quoted is only part of the full post. In his "defense" post, he spends more time subtly accusing me rather than actually explaining himself. You can clearly see he has some problems with my play. What does he do with it?
On July 09 2012 20:35 prplhz wrote:I don't really know about this Sinensis case. It seems to me like he just wrote a "that" instead of an "if" and it's not really a big deal. slOosh also made assumptions about scum night action here: Show nested quote +On July 09 2012 11:49 slOosh wrote:
Hah, with prplhz' check this game could be over today.
##Vote VisceraEyes Implying that I had a check (when it's pretty logical that scum don't want me checking anybody).
Another instance in which he subtly accuses me. He clearly has a problem with what I said, and insinuates that I'm illogical in the post. Yet he never pursues a lynch on me. Calls me suspicious but never treats me as scum.
I'll quote myself here - addressing his third subtle accusation post.
On July 11 2012 01:02 slOosh wrote:On that note I don't trust prplhz for his 3rd subtle accusation against me. Really, that last line Show nested quote +On July 10 2012 19:52 prplhz wrote:
Why did slOosh change away from some guy who he says he thinks is pretty much confirmed mafia just to lynch some easy target in zentor? is totally unnecessary for the post he made. It's casting doubt on me, its a misinterpretation (I never called him as such, the vote switch happened much earlier in the day following marv's pressure on MrZentor), and defends MrZentor as an "easy" target. For someone who overly uses the phrases "I don't really know what to think", "This really seems", "I think you might be" concerning MrZentor's alignment, blatantly calling him an easy target is a huge contradiction. Again he points out things he finds suspicious with me, but never moves to discuss it or get a better read. This is apathy - town care about lynching scum. He clearly has had several issues with me thus far, but he never does anything with it. Furthermore, there is inherent contradiction as two times (posts that come between the accusations) does he say I look townish.
On July 08 2012 06:18 prplhz wrote:
I like slOosh a better though after seeing rereading his filter.
On July 09 2012 22:46 prplhz wrote:
I think slOosh looks townie enough. I read his filter yesterday and nothing really tinkled my senses since then.
This is extreme hedging. Calls me townish, points out suspicious things in me. Calls me townish, points out something suspicious. Allows him to play to town sentiment - he doesn't want to draw attention to himself by pushing me, but wants an avenue in which he is able to cast suspicion and doubt on me, and eventually set up the mislynch.
Point 3: More apathy, origin of VE case.
This is related to my MrZentor scum read.
So far what has prplhz accomplished this game? He claimed cop D1 because of weird play on his own part. D2 he calls VE scummy. If you reread how D2 unfolds (you should since we mislynched), how does it play out? He posts a case on VE and checks out. He comes back to defend himself a bit, and then as a MrZentor lynch starts up, he comes in with
On July 10 2012 05:43 prplhz wrote:
Can someone tell why zentor is scum? All I saw was marvellosity threatening zentor and apparently now he's all the rave. A couple of posts later he gets the lynch back onto VE and checks out again. He started the lynch, but seems to have desire to discuss, or push his thoughts. Reminds me of what Mattchew did in Movie Mini. Starts it but has no involvement in it - only involvement is to redirect away from MrZentor lynch. I've addressed how he does it is also suspicious (he is hesitant but also confident in the same post that he calls zentor town, which betrays a pushing of agenda and mismatch in action and words).
Conclusion: prplhz doesn't care about pursuing reads (the only one he had is the one on VE) but only in throwing subtle accusations at me, he isn't transparent (hasn't given a single opinion or mention of half the player list), only thing he does is redirect the D2 lynch from MrZentor to VE, frivolous cop claim.
Library closing, so this will be it until tomorrow unless I decide to stay up late.
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Okay this nightclub is terrible atm. I almost feel sober. Posting from phone atm.
Sloosh, why would you push a prplhz lynch when you were fine lynching either ve or mrzentor?
Sloosh mrzentor bluelightz. I agree on that scum group.
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On July 11 2012 12:32 slOosh wrote:
I've cooled off. Your frustration and desire to lynch me is understandable.
I'm still town and will be doing my all to convince you and whoever the rest of town is that I am town, I care about town, and you shouldn't lynch me.
I'll be building my cases starting now until the library closes.
Prplhz was just at the forefront of my mind according to the reread of D2. I'll be posting on MrZentor next. The last one is tricky and I'm still deciding between a couple players.
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On July 11 2012 11:08 Bluelightz wrote:
SLOOSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Hey were you still planning on doing this?
On July 11 2012 10:50 Bluelightz wrote:
alrght. die scum.
##Unvote: VisceraEyes
##Vote: slOosh
I hate to be sheeping but I will form my own reasons later.
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Actually doesn't matter. I think Zephirdd is the last scum. I think building a case on MrZentor is a moot point.
Scum attributes: Inconsistency, pushing agendas
This comes in what I initially thought was just failure to read / forgetfulness, but upon review I think that they are slips and conclusions which are arrived at with reasoning that doesn't match. Considerable are his views on the blues.
On July 10 2012 00:29 Zephirdd wrote:
HOWEVER! Not everything was lost!
The fact that prplhz claimed to be roleblocked means that we can assume a few things.
1- D77 is indeed a jailer.
2- prplhz can't be scum if Sinensis is town. A scum prplhz would just claim to not be roleblocked, which would cast suspicion on both D77 and Sinensis.
The second point puts forth the premise: prplhz cannot be scum if Sinensis is town.
Problems in reasoning: Sinensis' alignment has no bearing on what a scum prplhz would do. If a scum prplhz didn't claim roleblock, he would have to produce a read. But even if he saw that a scum prplhz claiming not roleblocked as the stronger play, it shouldn't rule out Sinensis as scum. In fact, it would actually cast doubt on D77 the claimed jailor on the grounds of game balance. Sinensis has nothing to do with claiming roleblock or not.
On July 10 2012 01:22 Zephirdd wrote:
There are a few problems here on the Sinensis lynch. The voters are MrZentor, VE and Bluelightz.
Unconfirmed players are:
- Sloosh
- MrZentor
- VE
- Bluelightz
Confirmed players are:
- marvellosity, Vigilante shot MsZontar
- prplhz, cop roleblocked**
- Dangeresque77, jailer*
- Sinensis**
- Zephirdd, cuz it's MOTHAFUCKIN ME LOL
Now a few notes should be taken here.
Sinensis never slipped like I thought he did. However, the supposed "slip" would never be said if he was scum - because he would know prplhz had been roleblocked, instead of denying it.
prplhz can't be scum either. If he was scum, his first move today would be to say "not rb'd" and claim some fake read on someone.
Since prplhz confirmed a second roleblock(mine was first), that also confirms Dangeresque77's jailer claim as legit.
All of this confirms these three players as town in my opinion.
From the four remaining players, the one I have a town read is sloosh. I said previously that I had a town read on BL, but thinking about it, it was a read from when we were talking about policy lynch and useless stuff. He may not be town at all.
Also, the issue here is that these three - MrZentor, VE and BL - are avoiding the Zentor or the VE lynches and opting for the Sinensis lynch.
How did Sinensis go into the confirmed pool? He considers the slip as null, but is using it to call him confirmed. There is an agenda here. Call Sinensis town. Why? So he can call prplhz town too based on weak reasoning. Also so he gets to push MrZentor, VE and BL. He critiques them for being on a Sinensis lynch, even though his reasoning for why Sinensis must be town is tenuous.
His followup posts when marv addresses the flaws in thinking show that he wants to call prplhz town, but again on weak reasoning. It's basically "scum prplhz should have done this, and he didn't, therefore he is town".
This has heavy, heavy contrast to his D1 assessment of him where he basically calls him scum every other post. Also note how fast he is to defend prplhz after the cop claim.
Couple of other things which show faulty reasoning that doesn't fit conclusions.
On July 10 2012 00:34 Zephirdd wrote:
The issue I have with MrZentor lynch is... erm...
MrZentor, what was your relation to MsZontar? Is she your wife, girlfriend, sister, friend, roommate...?
Opposes a MrZentor lynch without a legitimate reason. This comes when his lynch actually starts building and rolling on D2. Wants to say "we shouldn't lynch MrZentor". Uses the reason "his relation with MsZontar is important"?
On July 10 2012 09:44 Zephirdd wrote:
MrZentor lynch feels like a mistake because he always plays scummy no matter the game. I mean, he gets mislynched all time right?
What makes me think mrzentor is scum is how much he is still pushing Sinensis, under the basis that his first post was too careful. I did a recheck on Sinensis games(I actually did it!), and he usually has a less structured opening post, or talks about his job times. That is not a 100% occurrence though, and the other posts he made seems to fit his meta much better.
Also, Sinensis going "prplhz wasn't roleblocked" and then prplhz claims to be roleblocked kinda clears him imo. A scum sinensis would know for sure prplhz had been roleblocked, and wouldn't mention the opposite in a post.
And scummier candidates are on sinensis. That's an issue in a game where 9 players live and 5 is needed to lynch. 3 of them are scum. 3 of the scummiest were on Sin(VE switched). 2 confirmed are on Zentor. 1 claimed cop is on VE.
Wants to call MrZentor scum. Reason: "He didn't read Sinensis' old games and come to the same conclusion that I did".
On July 11 2012 09:34 Zephirdd wrote:
VE has been quite active lately. Most of us have just been looking down to him. But what was the reasoning to switch out of Zentor? This feels like a mistake? That's bullshit.
I hate to say this marv, but we've been following your gut too hard. We've been lazy. If VE flips town, everyone is going to be demoralized and we're going to LYLO the next day.
We have 6 votes on VE. I will switch into Zentor and leave to you decide since I'll probably not be around here at deadline(tuesday party time hooray). With 5 votes, a lynch is doable.
If I recall correctly, the general sentiment on the thread is that both of them are scum. As long as there is not a no-lynch, we're fine, right?
Seriously, I invite everyone to re-read Zentor's filter and reconsider it, as well as reading the last few posts by VE.
##unvote
##vote MrZentor
Brings the MrZentor lynch option back again when the VE lynch is pretty much set. Additionally, discredits marv for no reason. Haunting clairvoyance (read as mafia know the town list), that VE is town.
On July 11 2012 09:48 Zephirdd wrote:Look at sloosh's response. If that doesn't make a Zentor/Sloosh team, idk what it is. Also Show nested quote +Sloosh said:
Don't let the passive aggressive get to you. I'm not going to switch if you are actually wavering in your read of VE, since it means he will be alive D3 and probably marv's gonna get shot and I dunno if you have the guts to pull off a VE lynch. If marv gets shot D3, it's incredible for us. Because that would be D77 was roleblocked(he HAS to jail marv). And that would mean prplhz would have a check for us.
He takes the quote that I say (my preference for VE over MrZentor lynch) as a sign that I am scum (who is hesitant to vote for scum buddy). Sure. But then he makes this post:
On July 11 2012 09:54 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not anymore! slOosh is literally claiming scum by refusing to switch to Zentor. He literally said "I don't care who we lynch"...except he DOES doesn't he? He wants ME lynched. That's NOT what he said earlier. And that would mean Zentor has to be scum as well. Bingo!
Where now labels me scum, and therefore Zentor is scum in association with me. It's the complete opposite of what he just said. Because I'm hesitant to vote for Zentor, he must be scum? Then how am I scum? Zephirdd is making stuff up to push his agenda.
Zephirdd has shown much inconsistency and weak / unrelated reasoning to reach the conclusions that he wants to. This reveals scum agenda.
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D77, you should still jail marv because scum might not have godfather/strongarm.
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And marv I will play this card: who else seems to care about this game?
I don't know how crap / reasonable I look because honestly I haven't lived past N1 for a long time, nor have I been the focus of VE's whatever you call it. Please just give my cases due consideration - that's all.
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slOosh's case on me is a wrong case, and wrong in an Aberrant way, and I'll show it.
First:
The second point puts forth the premise: prplhz cannot be scum if Sinensis is town.
Problems in reasoning: Sinensis' alignment has no bearing on what a scum prplhz would do. If a scum prplhz didn't claim roleblock, he would have to produce a read. But even if he saw that a scum prplhz claiming not roleblocked as the stronger play, it shouldn't rule out Sinensis as scum. In fact, it would actually cast doubt on D77 the claimed jailor on the grounds of game balance. Sinensis has nothing to do with claiming roleblock or not.
On this specific post he quoted, I didn't rule out Sinensis as scum. I said
"Sinensis is town" -> "prplhz is town"
The reason Sinensis and prplhz have a connection in alignment is Sinensis non-slip which I thought was slip - which I explained already. If Sinensis says "prplhz was not roleblocked", and I called it being a scum slip, a scum prplhz could simply say he wasn't roleblocked(and claim green read on MsZontar, w/e); That would make me want to lynch Sinensis, create suspicion on D77 and generate chaos that would benefit scum.
slOosh is creating arguments that would catter to someone who has missed a part of the thread(because of activity or whatnot), forging an argument that does not exist.
Next:
How did Sinensis go into the confirmed pool? He considers the slip as null, but is using it to call him confirmed. There is an agenda here. Call Sinensis town. Why? So he can call prplhz town too based on weak reasoning. Also so he gets to push MrZentor, VE and BL. He critiques them for being on a Sinensis lynch, even though his reasoning for why Sinensis must be town is tenuous.
[b]I never said I considered the slip as null. More argument forging. He went to the "confirmed" pool(which he used later on the same day on another post) by virtue of Occam's Razor, really. Simply put, it would be way too complicated for Sinensis to be scum and make that "non-slip" he did earlier.
It's not a tenuous reasoning. It's logic.
Next problem:
His followup posts when marv addresses the flaws in thinking show that he wants to call prplhz town, but again on weak reasoning. It's basically "scum prplhz should have done this, and he didn't, therefore he is town".
This has heavy, heavy contrast to his D1 assessment of him where he basically calls him scum every other post. Also note how fast he is to defend prplhz after the cop claim.
Couple of other things which show faulty reasoning that doesn't fit conclusions.
I called prplhz scum when everyone and their mother was calling him scum. It's not a coincidence that I posted the same case as the confirmed blue at the same minute. It's because me and marv have been synchronized for most of this game - for good and for bad. The case on prplhz was decent until he made a real post.
And yes, I am using "scum prplhz should have done this, and he didn't, therefore he is town", and that is not weak reasoning. I am defending him after the cop claim, and I'd defend him without the cop claim, because I believe him to be town. The cop claim(and rb claim which confirmed D77) are just extras.
"Couple other things" which aren't mentioned - argument forging. He is trying to deceive players in order to make me look bad at LYLO.
Point that should be addressed:
On July 10 2012 00:34 Zephirdd wrote:
The issue I have with MrZentor lynch is... erm...
MrZentor, what was your relation to MsZontar? Is she your wife, girlfriend, sister, friend, roommate...?
Opposes a MrZentor lynch without a legitimate reason. This comes when his lynch actually starts building and rolling on D2. Wants to say "we shouldn't lynch MrZentor". Uses the reason "his relation with MsZontar is important"?
I wanted to know his relation to MsZontar because it is important. If she was a wife, roommate or even girlfriend, I wouldn't take the idea that MrZentor, as town, would not help her into playing this game somehow. Clearly, he did a bad job in telling her that she should post more and make some analysis instead of going "I'm not sure ##vote Sinensis". Since it's her sister, however, it's understandable that they may not communicate much - I didn't want to go much further into their relationship since it's personal.
And I was still null at MrZ at that point, and it was before some of his worse posts.
Next~:
Wants to call MrZentor scum. Reason: "He didn't read Sinensis' old games and come to the same conclusion that I did".
Hell fucking yeah. If you're going to call someone scum, you better have a read on his meta. That's homework, really. If he didn't do this, I'm assuming he is just trying to create a faulty case and mislynch someone. And I'm also defending him with in-thread information(prplhz stuff), because I believe he is town and MrZentor is pushing for a mislynch. What the hell is wrong here?
This is just a bad argument overall.
Brings the MrZentor lynch option back again when the VE lynch is pretty much set. Additionally, discredits marv for no reason. Haunting clairvoyance (read as mafia know the town list), that VE is town.
This is blatant misinterpreting of my post. I bring MrZentor lynch back when there is plenty of space for the whole town to decide which is a better lynch. There was what, 2 hours before the lynch? You said you would vote any of them, but you didn't do what you promised.
I didn't discredit marv. I called the whole town(myself included) lazy. That's because we actually were lazy; The moment I decided to go back to MrZentor was the moment I decided to take a re-look at his filter. The moment I decided to not blindly follow marvellosity(confirmed town =/= correct town) and saw that MrZentor was much more likely to flip scum.
Why would I, as scum, try to make people switch from a town(VE) into someone you say to be scum(MrZentor) with plenty of time in advance? Credit?
Why would you, as town, claim to have the vote on "both" but not switch on the moment I tell people to switch? Do you realize there wasn't a MrZentor lynch because you didn't agree with it, and no-one wanted a no-lynch?
Finally:
On July 11 2012 09:48 Zephirdd wrote:Look at sloosh's response. If that doesn't make a Zentor/Sloosh team, idk what it is. Also Show nested quote +Sloosh said:
Don't let the passive aggressive get to you. I'm not going to switch if you are actually wavering in your read of VE, since it means he will be alive D3 and probably marv's gonna get shot and I dunno if you have the guts to pull off a VE lynch. If marv gets shot D3, it's incredible for us. Because that would be D77 was roleblocked(he HAS to jail marv). And that would mean prplhz would have a check for us.
He takes the quote that I say (my preference for VE over MrZentor lynch) as a sign that I am scum (who is hesitant to vote for scum buddy). Sure. But then he makes this post:
On July 11 2012 09:54 Zephirdd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not anymore! slOosh is literally claiming scum by refusing to switch to Zentor. He literally said "I don't care who we lynch"...except he DOES doesn't he? He wants ME lynched. That's NOT what he said earlier. And that would mean Zentor has to be scum as well. Bingo!
Where now labels me scum, and therefore Zentor is scum in association with me. It's the complete opposite of what he just said. Because I'm hesitant to vote for Zentor, he must be scum? Then how am I scum? Zephirdd is making stuff up to push his agenda.
I invite anyone to read the first and second passage of sloosh's. This is what he said:
"He takes an argument and calls me and mrzentor scum. sure. But then he calls me and mrzentor scum!"
And then he says its the opposite?! REALLY? That's blatantly forging of arguments in order to push a terrible, terrible case. This is not sloosh. This is an aberrant. Sloosh is a really, really good town player perfectly capable of making simple associations.
You're hesitant to vote Zentor = You're scum because you said you would vote any of the players. You're hesitant to vote MrZentor AND you're scum -> MrZentor is scum(because why would you be ok with voting VE but not voting MrZentor when you said both were fine?)
sloosh's reasoning to not lynching Zentor is terrible. Because he feels I'm wavering my read on VE, but he never considers that there is MrZentor as a fucking lynch candidate that he himself said he would vote no problem.
Sloosh has been pushing a terrible, forged case in order to cast suspicion on a townie at LYLO.
Sloosh is Aberrant.
Tomorrow we will be lynching Sloosh, and the day after we will lynch MrZentor. By that time, it will be 2v1 and I'm pretty sure the remaining town(I doubt I'll live 'till then) will be able to find the last scum.
Bonus:
On July 11 2012 15:19 slOosh wrote:
And marv I will play this card: who else seems to care about this game?
I don't know how crap / reasonable I look because honestly I haven't lived past N1 for a long time, nor have I been the focus of VE's whatever you call it. Please just give my cases due consideration - that's all.
This is appealing to emotion when unnecessary. This is a real scum trait. I care about this game as much as you do, except you care about it from a scummy perspective. You've been active, and you've been posting, but you've not done anything in town's interest.[/u]
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