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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
He has also defended prplhz in order to push that Sinensis lynch. Defending a town and attacking another is pretty much the simplest way to play scum(remember I'm assuming mrzentor/sloosh/blz as scums), since it IS a null tell. The problem here is who he defends and who he attacks, and how. Okay, I'm scum if I'm scum. That's helpful. At the time, prplhz had made 4-5 terrible posts, while Sinensis made one, I said before and I'll keep saying it, prplhz case was much better than Sinensis' "first post case". That's not an issue. The case on prplhz was crap. There was no way a scum would play like that. Sinensis was playing exactly like scum, cautious. This is a completely neutral-ground post. This is a post made from a perspective of "omg two townies are fighting eachother. Let's calm them down." The issue here is, Sinensis was being abrasive and stubborn and that was a perfect chance to attack him for it. He believed Sinensis was scum and kept believing it throughout day 2. Why didn't he attack him on the first chance he got? Yes, I could attack somebody for something that I don't feel is actually alignment indicative, but that would be stupid. Why would I attack Sinensis for something that doesn't indicate alignment? I see that scum might do it to try to start a bandwagon for a mislynch, but why would town? What is this? This is a scum list. A list of three players he considers to be the scum team. At the time, there was suspicion being cast over VE. He had Sinensis as his lynch target day 1. He admitted himself that he thought marv was playing so well he could be a scum manipulating town. This is a scum list, done on night 1, before marv confirmed himself. Why would a town player make a scum list on night 1? There are a few reasons. Gauge reactions, look awesome if all three of them flip scum after the game. Why would a scum player make a list on night 1? Create confusion, make a little ground to attack all of them later on the game. So there are reasons for a scum to do it and for a townsperson to do it. Why do you keep posting a bunch of stuff that doesn't actually indicate my alignment? This post reads "Oh, that's not actually a scum list". Saying that I find it humorous that they assume that it's a scum list is not the same as saying that it's not a scum list. You're misinterpreting my posts. I'll ignore the rest of the stuff about the scum list, because your basic premise is flawed. His day 2 is to tunnel Sinensis HARD, on the basis of the very first post made by Sinensis. And THEN he makes a case on Sinensis, except he didn't make the case and stood on neutral ground when he had his first chance. Why? Because he didn't have to push hard Sinensis' lynch on day1, when three townies are the lynch candidates. Or perhaps I pushed for his lynch harder day 2, because I had more reasons to think that he was scum. People WERE complaining day one that the case on Sinensis revolved around a single post. He's afraid of "copying" bluelightz' case because he doesn't want to be accused of copying a case. Why would a town player say that? As a town, no matter the pressure on me, I'll push for a candidate with someone's else case if I feel it's correct. Do you know why you don't have a quote to go along with that statement? Because I didn't say that. I was saying that if I created a case against Sinensis, it would probably share a lot of reasons for thinking that Sinensis is scum with Blue's case, so it would be a waste of time to write and post it. I'm fine with pushing for a candidate using somebody else's case, but I had to create a case myself to stop Marv from getting his sheep to kill me. You're twisting everything to make it look scummy. Finally, the way he pushes Sinensis is in an extremely anti-town way. He isn't looking for evidence, he is picking straws from his posts to create a case. + Show Spoiler + As an example, take me creating this case. I asked a few questions, and these helped me build up the case(specifically the part of the list). Instead, MrZentor only throws the case and says it's correct. He doesn't ask Sinensis for connections(I feel every town player should force connections whenever possible), he doesn't ask for Sinensis for his thought process. He looked at his first post and decided "I will push this guy". He does not consider the possibility of Sinensis being town until night 2, after a fuckload of pressure. No, you twist what people said, misinterpret their posts, and form conclusions before premises to make your case. So because I don't often ask people questions, and because I was certain Sinensis was scum, I'm scum? That doesn't make any sense. I'll be voting for you in the morning, Zephirdd. | ||
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slOosh
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On June 30 2012 04:54 GMarshal wrote: Police Officer (Jailkeeper) Caught in this malestorm of dreams and who knows what else, you are in quite a precarious situation. This doesn't amuse you at all, but you have no choice, you must face the dream-realm and cast it back. Because of your position you may arrest someone each night, keeping them from going out and performing actions as well as stopping the first kp aimed at them that night. Your targets will know they were roleblocked, but neither of you will be notified of a successful save. Factional KP cannot be roleblocked. You may not target yourself Prplhz isn't even checking the OP at this point (read. scum making up stuff to cover up other stuff) Sinensis, Bluelightz and D77 you gotta get in here and start figuring this out. Scum influence will be strongest tomorrow. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Having had 2 leading candidates for the day 1 lynch, slOosh simply abandons them without further ado. He agrees on wiggles without explanation here, but WITHOUT A VOTE, and only after 3 people had voted wiggles does he join them. He gives no real explanation for why he's happy to vote wiggles over his 2 preferred candidates, only repeating others in that "he doesn't seem to be playing like his town self". He doesn't even say why HE'S not voting Sinensis, merely why others aren't. Then there's this post where he claims to have 'buyer's remorse'. Trying to look good but ever since wiggles was brought up, slOosh did nothing to push his main 2 reads. Basically what I'm getting at is this. slOosh had 2 people he said he was happy to lynch on day 1, prplhz and Sinensis (especially). But when push came to shove and the wiggles wagon started, he jumped over to wiggles without barely a peep about why this was a good idea, and he never pushed his 2 preferred lynches. Which brings us on to his interactions with Sinensis. Sinensis goes from being slOosh's primary day 1 read to... town. On July 08 2012 13:54 slOosh wrote: Well if Sinensis is stubborn town, and prplhz is weirdo town, then D1 was wild goose chase, and therefore scum probably played lazy / lurkeresque style, making sure to fit in but not really needing to put in any effort. Thereby you could probably find them among the pile of players who didn't really push town a certain direction. Would you guys agree with this assessment? Before this point there is basically no mention of why Sinensis might be town - the only mention is a post I linked above where he said "several OTHER people are feeling iffy based off Sinensis' meta". VE (the dead, confirmed townie, just as a reminder guys) had this to say: On July 11 2012 07:16 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm looking at slOosh here. The strangest part about his support of my lynch is the fact that he's completely unwilling to hear me defend myself....but I find that completely scummy because he was willing to lynch MrZentor before that. And slOosh isn't the type to be swayed by connections that don't exist, which strikes "VE is on Zentor" from the list of possibilities...so why? Why would he pull support from a Zentor lynch in favor of a VE lynch if he thinks we're both scum? And what about his mysterious read on Sinensis? All he's said on the matter is "I have my reasons" and "he's looking more townie" but never elaborates on why...especially considering he was present DURING Sinensis' defense and was arguing with him. He never comments on my comments on Sinensis, which I find scummy because if he were a townie and had a change of heart re: Sinensis, it seems to me that he'd at least be interested in what I have to say on the matter...but it's never mentioned. Not. Once. Marv mentioned it, and semi-agreed with it. But slOosh couldn't be bothered. Ultimately, I'm reading slOosh as scum. This has nothing to do with the fact that he's attacking me - it has to do with the reasons I just gave you. There's little else to say on the matter, VE explains it well. A bit more on this Sinensis thing later. It's been mentioned by others already, but the fact remains that he said he was happy to lynch either Zentor or VE, and later on he said he was only willing to vote VE. On July 11 2012 01:02 slOosh wrote: I don't care who we lynch, I think they are both scum. I'm comfortable with lynching all three as individuals, and even more so as a team. I also want to consolidate. I'll be trusting marv's and Zephirdd's judgements here. My preference however goes to MrZentor based on how they are keen to redirect the lynch. ##Unvote MrZentor ##Vote VisceraEyes (I'll be checking up online all day so consider my vote good on whoever). Bolded passage here - "I'll be trusting marv and Zeph's judgements". Well, what WERE our judgements? Zephirdd unvoted VE and went over to Zentor. And I was clearly feeling by the end of the day that I didn't want to lynch VE. So both the people he trusts the judgements of, wanted to get their votes off VE. Given this slOosh should be trusting our judgements and seeing why this is the case. Instead he shouts and rants and screams at me to keep lynching VE. slOosh does not look for possible reasons VE might be town despite his two most trusted reads expressing at the very least grave misgivings about the VE lynch. Scummy change of attitude folks. On July 11 2012 10:36 slOosh wrote: Think critically. Sit tight and watch a lying scum flip. I pulled this up at the time but now I'm doing it again. To remind you all, slOosh conveniently forgot in this selection of quotes the fact that he had said he was fine with lynching wiggles. He's trying to dig the boot in here and it almost worked - except unexpectedly I went back and checked slOosh's filter. Why did I go back and check? Because I inherently did not trust slOosh. When I pull him up on this he's all MISTAKE. IT'S JUST A MISTAKE. Fucking bullshit it's a mistake. It's a blatant scumslip. slOosh is normally thorough as shit but here he not only forgot something, he tried to kick VE based on twisted evidence. Again, the post where he said he was fine lynching wiggles was RIGHT ABOVE his vote on wiggles. Hard to miss. Concluding: we can analyse slOosh's actions through the day 1 and day 2 lynch. Day 1 he had 2 main reads that he abandoned easily in favour of a 3rd person with no explanation given. His strongest day 1 read (Sinensis) morphed into a town read with barely an explanation. Day 2 he says he's happy to vote for either Zentor or VE, but later demonstrates this is not the case. He says he trusts my/Zeph's judgement, but when both our judgements are we don't want to lynch VE, he rants and raves instead. He posts a bogus piece of evidence that might have slipped by if I had not gone back to check. None of his actions surrounding both lynches have been pro town in any way. These are the main salient facts. There are other little things that are hard to describe. Somewhere in my filter I said I had the most notes on slOosh of any player (and this was pretty early, so no "i always die day 1" stuff) whereas normally slOosh plays in a manner that is pretty easy to read. Basically his posting has felt off to me for most of the game. slOosh must hang. more to come on Sinensis if I get the energy | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
I said it earlier, I'm not gonna excuse anyone on 'meta' when we don't have a bloody scum game to compare his meta to. Screw meta. Let's look at this game. I would basically invite you to look at VE's filter to see some reasons on Sinensis, starting after the day 1 lynch especially. Anyway. Sinensis had lots of interaction and arguments with slOosh. Sinensis and slOosh basically had this big to and fro day 1 where slOosh was calling sinensis scum, and Sinensis was calling slOosh 'suspicious' etc. (as you can see). We know what happened to slOosh's read magically. What about Sinensis? Well actually Sinensis past this point never mentions slOosh again (cept muuuuuuuuuuch later, see below). Basically the whole day 1 interactions between these 2 are just a front, because either nothing is pushed (from Sinensis end) or the case is just fully dropped (from slOosh's end). It's such bs. Generally Sinensis has done fuck all scumhunting. I talked about this at the time but the way Sinensis pushed on Zephirdd only made people NOT want to lynch Zephirdd. It was fakey fakey scumhunting because he was never pushing anything. He votes for VE on day 2 on the basis of someone else's comments (Zeph's, his previous scumread - who let us remind ourselves, moved off VE) and saying that VE was 'less focused, desperate'. He reiterates that he's stubborn about who he votes for. But there's just no substance at all. Nothing he's done has had substance, the pushes on Zeph and VE are totally empty. He threatens me at the end of day 2 with voting for me next day for not voting VE. There's just nothing town motivated anywhere in his filter. Oh, and slOosh does pop up again, at the end of his filter: On July 12 2012 05:56 Sinensis wrote: ##vote: MrZentor A lot of people seem to think sloosh is scum. I'm not going to disagree with them. I don't believe you went this entire game being unsuspicious of Zeph, only to read sloosh's surprise case against him and be convinced in any way. Now slOosh is scum again. As per usual for Sinensis this game, no reasoning or explanations. Again, now that we know VE is town, reconsider the following passage (look inside): On July 10 2012 02:05 VisceraEyes wrote: This is huge, by my estimation. It clearly illustrates that he's not looking at the thread from the same perspective as me (town). We didn't trust VE at the time, but look at what he's saying. Sinensis is looking at the game from a different perspective to the (confirmed) townie. For some reason at the time I was the only one who actually agreed with VE's interpretation of events, everyone else attacked him for it. Now re-read and see. I wish I could make this case a bit longer. But there's not a lot else to say, because his filter is so devoid of content. What detritus is there I have picked through. Scumteam are therefore: slOosh, Sinensis, and one of prplhz, MrZentor Check on prplhz's activity. He started off aggressive but his activity and tone has tailed off. Zentor has plenty of scummy stuff but Zentor is Zentor so, meh. I think Zeph is town. Danger is MIA but it's hard to believe he's not town. I have the feeling BL is town also from how the day 2 lynch went down (his emotional response, the fact his unvote made it possible for me to save VE). | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Note: Unlike my previous(faulty) case, this one will not assume a full scum team right off the bat. * Point 1 - Sinensis push Early Day1, MrZentor points out Sinensis' first post. Based on that post, he proceeds to spend the whole day pushing for his lynch. Sounds legit right? The issue is on the moment me and Sinensis fight eachother. Sinensis does something really, really terrible which is blatantly ignoring my post. That is something that a town player should push for someone's lynch. Nothing is 100% and it's possible that Sinensis is town even after doing that; It is however something that should be pushed for when you believe that person is scum. Instead, he posts this: On July 07 2012 14:24 MrZentor wrote: Facts need speculation to be useful. Speculation needs facts to be useful. I haven't had time to carefully read the cases yet, but currently it seems you two are frustrated because your different scumhunting methods make it difficult for you to explain your opinions and the reasons behind them to each other. Because you don't understand the motives behind each other's actions, it's easy to see them as scummy. I'm too tired to know if this post is ridiculously idiotic. Tell me in the morning, will you? This is an incredibly neutral ground post. He is trying to stop our brawl - seems like the right thing for a town player to do right? For a town player that does not want to push either lynch, that is. MrZentor, however, wanted to push Sinensis. So why did he simply ignore his newest posts and kept pushing for that single first post? * Point 2 - Activity This is a new point, and I now realize it's actually important. He has 29 posts on day 1, a day with about 17 pages of posting. He has a candidate for a lynch, and he firmly believes he is scum. He does not actively push for the lynch of his candidate. Why? Why a town player that believes X is scum is not trying to pursue other players into the lynch of his candidate? A scum player, however, loves to do that. Creates a little suspicion, claims credit on the wagon, and just skims by the day unnoticed. "He is scum hunting!" a player would think, but under further analysis you can see he won't try to pursue for the lynch as he should. Ask questions, create material from his lynch candidate. He is fine sitting on that one-post case and complaining about people switching around - when he himself didn't actively try to keep people into his candidate. Points 1 and 2 shows MrZentor blending and skimming by the thread on day1. * Point 3 - The List (I'll use his answer to this point as well, it's relevant) He posts a scum list on Night 1. "Sinensis, Marv, VE". On Day 2, when questioned, he posts this: On July 10 2012 06:25 MrZentor wrote: Isn't it funny that when I list some names you automatically assume it's a list of people I think are scummy? This is not a transparent post. Anyone reading this will interpret he is saying that the "list" is not a list. Today he said this passage is just him "wondering", but not negating that it is indeed a scum list. This is now a town line of thought. The above quote shows a player trying to deceive others in order to avoid suspicion(because, at time, people were suspicious at the list). It's a contradiction. I'm inclined to follow marv's read at this point. If he is correct(Sinensis to be scum), then MrZentor has done nothing but bus an ally all game long. It explains why there is so little effort into pushing him day 1. Town posting on day 2 would make it safe for him to push Sinensis harder only to take suspicion out of himself. We did lynch VE in the end(thanks sloosh!). Seriously, I will await for the remaining players - Sinensis, Bluelightz, Dangeresque77, prplhz - to post their reads and cases. Finally, I want to apologize for the earlier case which was terribly written. I wrote as my thoughts flow, without condensing the important, good points. I was tired tbh. That's it for now. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Both confirmed townies (myself, VE) want town to lynch slOosh, Sinensis, +1. I have provided what I think are good cases. Good night | ||
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Dangeresque77
United States65 Posts
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Preface: I really thought slOosh was town before the Day 2 Lynch, but after that him sealing VE's fate pissed me off, and the way he insisted it was terrible, this case will be divided into Day 1/Day 2 Sections. DAY 1 First thing that makes me suspicious of him in his Day 1 play is that he says that he want's to lynch prplhz, but then he just forgot everything and made random connections with Sinensis like "dude! Sinensis defended prplhz so he must be scum", he made his initial thoughts on prplhz's terrible first post's then just ditched him. His case on Sinensis: (My points are bolded) On July 08 2012 01:39 slOosh wrote: Thank you marv. I'm been trying to figure out how to built a case on tonality / whatever it is I'm using. So I'll just bullet point things to keep in mind when reading thread / filter. - His hardline defense of prplhz. HARD. In an atmosphere where most of the vocal townies were expressing a desire to lynch prplhz, he hardline defends him. During this he calls us an "angry mob" and also hedges a backout option. Yet he admits that prplhz really isn't worth defending according to his current game play. There is a contradiction in word and action. He wants to be seen opposing the prplhz lynch yet he deems prplhz worth lynching up to that point. Sinensis was DEFENDING prplhz because he thought that the lynch was going too easy (like when MrZentor was lynched in Wheel Of Fortune Mafia). Look at that first point, do you see something terrible? I do. Because, that point is fucking useless and doesn't explain why THAT DEFENSE OF prplhz SCUMMY, it doesn't matter if Sinensis is defending prplhz when everyone else is wanting to lynch prplhz, that's like inviting someone onto a bandwagon. Next point, it doesn't matter if he calls us an angry mob lol. Last point(s). he doesn't deem prplhz worth lynching he say's its the last time hes going to defend him while he is still "LOL SCUM LOL", complete misinterpretation. - His general tone of condescension and misinterpretation He is acting out really defensively but does so in a condescending anti-town manner. No one was bashing him, no one was critiquing him because his posts were well thought out. He is slinging mud around. what is the problem with Sinensis's response? he doesn't point out the "anti-town" manner - He spends his energies on meaningless things to feign activity Note the Zephirdd exchange: against a player he thinks is scummy he seems to think that changing his mind is a good action to pursue. Note his exchange with me, where he accuses me of ??? I address it here. He is conjuring up suspicions and flailing when pushed to explain them. It's what Sinensis is suspicious of..... Doesn't actually use these things for scumhunting. For Zephirdd, he called him scummy before the exchange, and with me, he ignores everything said and done to address prplhz. Umm...... quotes? How does Sinensis being suspicious of Zeph matter here...? I think this is a solid D1 lynch. Truly solid  ##Vote Sinensis (for emphasis, my vote was already on him) Next, the two post's I will mention here are terrible and contradict with slOosh's later post's. On July 08 2012 07:35 slOosh wrote: I am here and fine with drwiggl3s "Sup, i'm here and fine with drwiggl3s, im not gonna explain shit but I totally like him as a lynch target" On July 08 2012 07:53 slOosh wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote:drwiggl3s Gotchya. "everyone's switchin Imma do it too, with no reason of course  "Then drwiggl3's was mislynched, also note that slOosh just hopped of Sinensis happily w/ no reason. DAY 2 Day 2, what really ticks me off. His interaction and defense when we "tried" to switch to slOosh. On July 11 2012 10:36 slOosh wrote: Think critically. Sit tight and watch a lying scum flip. Look at that, he points out VE voted first, but who voiced his suspicion with no reason first? slOosh. On July 08 2012 07:35 slOosh wrote: I am here and fine with drwiggl3s Next, look at his defense, he doesn't do shit about VE's accusations but go immediately emotional and doesn't respond to the points VE, as well as me made (feel free to request any quotes but its on page 3 of slOosh's filter). Summary: This case, coupled with slOosh's insistence of a VE lynch during the last minutes of Day 2, as well as VE & Marv's point makes slOosh my lynch target tommorow. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Day 3 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aM9vT.jpg) For some dreamers, the dream has become their reality. Others can only hope that they may return to their own world. Death will only bring a cruel end to their plans. Life can only enable them. Perhaps there is still some hope left for the dreamers. Nobody died. The day will last for 48 hours until 02:00 GMT (+00:00). With 8 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
wüt I don't know if D77 actually protected his target(and they don't have Strongarm), or if they decided to delay. Either way, I'm pretty fine with both sloosh and MZ lynches at this point. There are much more supporters for a sloosh lynch, including our confirmed. And there are cases on him. + my counter case. Therefore ##vote slOosh | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
2. They hit somebody besides danger and danger saved them. 3. They hit danger and we have more than one jailor(is this possible?) And we don't know which one it is, because danger isn't informed on if his save was successful. -.- ##vote Zephirdd | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
On July 12 2012 11:18 MrZentor wrote: 1. They saved their shot. 2. They hit somebody besides danger and danger saved them. 3. They hit danger and we have more than one jailor(is this possible?) And we don't know which one it is, because danger isn't informed on if his save was successful. -.- ##vote Zephirdd It's possible there is a medic ingame. He isn't informed either. You didn't respond to my latest, condensed case and just voted me. Also, what's your opinion on sloosh? | ||
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Wait, I just realized that if there is indeed a medic in the game, prplhz may actually be scum(balance). Holy shit. The worst is that we can't confirm if we're at MYLO or LYLO now :S | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
/ \ was roleblocked wasn't roleblocked / | / \ by scum by town he saved person x from death scum saved their shot / \ \ / prp has check we have second jailkeeper* x is likely town but not confirmed | \ possibility of scum claiming jailkeeper* claims jailkeeper? I think this is logical.... *extremely unlikely | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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Dangeresque77
United States65 Posts
SlOosh. mrzentor. bluelightz heres my case on sloosh sloosh- basically i agree with most of the points brought up by zeph and marv the only people he has been accusing in the last 2 pages of his filter are zephrid, and prphlz both of these players are thought of as confirmed town. a scum would of course want to cast suspicion on two members who have a good rep On July 11 2012 10:55 slOosh wrote: I'M PISSED OFF BECAUSE NO ONE HAS THE GUTS TO LYNCH ANYONE THIS GAME. APPARENTLY LYNCHING SCUMMY PEOPLE IS TOO EASY, AND SO WE GOTTA LYNCH SOME TOWNIE LOOKING GUYS WHO GET PISSED OFF. Whatever. Lynching me is better than a no-lynch. Either switch back or I'm self-voting so town can get their act together. right here is is screaming at us to switch back to Ve. and then later he claim to self vote so we can get a lynch. hes trying to shove the suspicion somewhere else(onto a townie) and he is claiming self sacrfice for the town sacrificing yourself sounds townie but doing it while trying to shove suspicion onto someone else is downright scummy once he is fighting to lynch a player who is town i dont like how after he came under suspicion he just exploaded. its ok to defend yourself but 80 percent of page 4 in his filter are things like this On July 11 2012 10:59 slOosh wrote: Because we found scum and because of his passive aggressive junk everyone is chicken to lynch. this is not helpful in the slightest to the town and ended up in getting one of us lynched after he survived he came right out of the gate and tried to get zeph and prphlz lynched my last note on him is that almost all of his points on "why zeph is scum" dont involve him explaining why its scummy On July 11 2012 15:14 slOosh wrote: Actually doesn't matter. I think Zephirdd is the last scum. I think building a case on MrZentor is a moot point. Scum attributes: Inconsistency, pushing agendas This comes in what I initially thought was just failure to read / forgetfulness, but upon review I think that they are slips and conclusions which are arrived at with reasoning that doesn't match. Considerable are his views on the blues. The second point puts forth the premise: prplhz cannot be scum if Sinensis is town. Problems in reasoning: Sinensis' alignment has no bearing on what a scum prplhz would do. If a scum prplhz didn't claim roleblock, he would have to produce a read. But even if he saw that a scum prplhz claiming not roleblocked as the stronger play, it shouldn't rule out Sinensis as scum. In fact, it would actually cast doubt on D77 the claimed jailor on the grounds of game balance. Sinensis has nothing to do with claiming roleblock or not. How did Sinensis go into the confirmed pool? He considers the slip as null, but is using it to call him confirmed. There is an agenda here. Call Sinensis town. Why? So he can call prplhz town too based on weak reasoning. Also so he gets to push MrZentor, VE and BL. He critiques them for being on a Sinensis lynch, even though his reasoning for why Sinensis must be town is tenuous. His followup posts when marv addresses the flaws in thinking show that he wants to call prplhz town, but again on weak reasoning. It's basically "scum prplhz should have done this, and he didn't, therefore he is town". This has heavy, heavy contrast to his D1 assessment of him where he basically calls him scum every other post. Also note how fast he is to defend prplhz after the cop claim. Couple of other things which show faulty reasoning that doesn't fit conclusions. Opposes a MrZentor lynch without a legitimate reason. This comes when his lynch actually starts building and rolling on D2. Wants to say "we shouldn't lynch MrZentor". Uses the reason "his relation with MsZontar is important"? Wants to call MrZentor scum. Reason: "He didn't read Sinensis' old games and come to the same conclusion that I did". Brings the MrZentor lynch option back again when the VE lynch is pretty much set. Additionally, discredits marv for no reason. Haunting clairvoyance (read as mafia know the town list), that VE is town. He takes the quote that I say (my preference for VE over MrZentor lynch) as a sign that I am scum (who is hesitant to vote for scum buddy). Sure. But then he makes this post: Where now labels me scum, and therefore Zentor is scum in association with me. It's the complete opposite of what he just said. Because I'm hesitant to vote for Zentor, he must be scum? Then how am I scum? Zephirdd is making stuff up to push his agenda. Zephirdd has shown much inconsistency and weak / unrelated reasoning to reach the conclusions that he wants to. This reveals scum agenda. if you look at his reasons as to why he is scummy none of them would actually make me think he is scummy.( this means he is grasping at straws trying to get zeph lynched) for expample. when he calls zeph out for switching to mrzentor and "discrediting" marv. he berates zeph for scum-hunting basically and not wanting to follow a hunch. he is trying to warp zephs wards so that he sounds more scummy i dont have time becuase i might die in 5 minutes so ill give my quick reasons for the others i think mr zentor is scum because of all the reasons that were brought up when we were about to kill him. we had a good case on him. he has been very quite in the past day. i think he is trying not to screw anything up and he thinks that he can get away with being a tad lurkky. my last member of the scum team was between bluelightz and sinensis. a few of his posts about slOosh convinced me that he was more likly to be scum On July 11 2012 10:36 Bluelightz wrote: Umm VE, now what should we do then? Mass switch to sloOsh with 25 minutes remaining? right here he is trying to not get slOosh lynched. On July 11 2012 10:41 Bluelightz wrote: I don't know... VE seems more townie now..... I'll support a switch I guess but :3 right here though he condones to lynching sloosh but he doest compltely give in i feel like from a scum stand point right here is where he realized that SlOosh was not going to get lynched becuase we did not have enough people to switch over. so he jumped on the wagon so he did not look like he was defening the man who was trying to get a town player lynched. and then his last post accusing slOosh i feel is scummy as well. On July 12 2012 10:36 Bluelightz wrote: Alright, my case on slOosh. Preface: I really thought slOosh was town before the Day 2 Lynch, but after that him sealing VE's fate pissed me off, and the way he insisted it was terrible, this case will be divided into Day 1/Day 2 Sections. [ right now i feel as though he is trying to do the opposite in this post as he was trying to do in his other ones with sloosh. now he know that slOosh will be lynched and that 80 percent of people have scum reads on him. as scum he would be foolish to be the only person not on that wagon. but he is one of the last to have jumped on it. if he was town his mind should have been harder to sway. he wouldnt have voted sloosh unles he actually thought he was scum not by just saying "i support a switch i guess" | ||
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