Well first you have to take my premise that prplhz and Zephirdd are both scum. If you aren't willing to see me from that perspective then you can save your time and stop reading here. Their interactions with each other are pretty clear.

We start off with D77's jailor claim. It's not too surprising that we let this slide, because it would mean either really gutsy play from scum rber, or co-operation from two scum. I initially thought he was timid blue who was sheeping, but his posting and conclusions are just as messed up as Zeph's. I'll show you how he is playing newb card to push scum agenda.

On July 09 2012 11:32 Dangeresque77 wrote:
more importantly we have 2 confirmed town atm.
ill save some time and make it three
im police officer
i jailed zephirdd
ill include my reasoning as well
im basically a medic with a slight drawback(maybe not if used on a mafia member). i think zeph is town and thought he was a reasonable target for mafia, so jailing him seemed to be prudent

He calls prplhz confirmed town. Already. This is when many voices doubted the validity of the cop claim (including confirmed towns NSH and VE [yes this is a jab at you marv, just because you flip town doesn't mean you are infallible]). You would think a sheeping town would heed such things and consider "hey maybe I should be careful in assessing this claim too!". Well, he doesn't. Just prior he posts

On July 09 2012 11:20 Dangeresque77 wrote:
3 town dead.......not looking good for the home team.
lets see what did the mafia stand to gain from that kill
you would think that the mafia would have killed prplhz because of his cop claim

thoughts? prplhz, marvel what do you guys think?

And after some discussion he carefully evaluates and decides that prplhz is indeed cop! and that revealing himself as the jailor is the best thing to do! (end sarcasm)

Later on he does the same thing.

On July 12 2012 11:35 Dangeresque77 wrote:
ill probably die tonight anyway, but heres who i think is scum
SlOosh. mrzentor. bluelightz
heres my case on sloosh
sloosh- basically i agree with most of the points brought up by zeph and marv
the only people he has been accusing in the last 2 pages of his filter are zephrid, and prphlz
both of these players are thought of as confirmed town. a scum would of course want to cast suspicion on two members who have a good rep

Two problems here. He calls prplhz thought of as confirmed town, when just before marv, the actual confirmed town posted that he suspects prplhz. He also calls zephirdd confirmed town, when there is no such sentiment. For a sheeping newb, you would think that he would follow the confirmed town the hardest. Well he doesn't - he uses bits and pieces to push his scum agenda.

The rest of my hunches come through thorough readings of prphlz's and Zephirdd's filters (which I did when building their cases). The way they push MrZentor so openly and willingly makes no sense.

Also, they used the delay power (why not when you can get misled town marv to do all your dirty work for you) and are now trying to out possible medics to truly secure their victory.

On July 12 2012 11:23 Zephirdd wrote:
Wait, I just realized that if there is a medic, the jailer and the medic could have combined their heals and held a 2kp hit.

Wait, I just realized that if there is indeed a medic in the game, prplhz may actually be scum(balance). Holy shit.

The worst is that we can't confirm if we're at MYLO or LYLO now :S

On July 12 2012 11:39 Dangeresque77 wrote:
well i was typing that before the day post so...

anyways.
this doesn't make any sense
they should've killed me. or they are just storing a shot
or like zeph said. there could be a medic and we both healed the same person. which would mean that they had a strong arm. if they didnt then i would be dead atm
i think they are storing the shot though

On July 12 2012 11:46 Dangeresque77 wrote:
i jailed marvel

which brings the quesion. is there a medic here?

I'm not making this stuff up. You see it from both Zephirdd (he does it a bit more subtly) and D77. They want any medics to claim. How does having medic claim help us at all? How does knowing scum tried to shoot or used delay help us at all? Why is outing the medic so important, especially in a game where we already have had 2 stupid blue claims?

From Zeph's perspective, the only medic possible would come from his scum suspects, and he thinks its worth outing them to be able to re-evaluate prplhz's claim on balance.

From D77's perspective, a medic would mean town has 4 blue roles. A little more excusable since this could be newb mistake and he doesn't understand balance, but if he thinks they are storing the shot, how would a knowing we have medic help find scum? How does knowing mafia may have attempted a strongarm shot have any bearing on the game?

Scum agenda here. I'm not making this up.
prplhz, Zephirdd, Dangeresque77. Good job.

slOosh

3291 Posts

July 12 2012 03:54 GMT

#965

And as I write these cases I find that they are incredibly cohesive and my proposed scum team's interactions and teamplay are quite viable. Isn't that really cool or what?

slOosh

3291 Posts

July 12 2012 03:59 GMT

#966

Oh yea a small clarification with the situation. Right now it's 5town 3 mafia. Since prplhz and D77 are liars, we might have a few more blues, hopefully vet / medic. Since they used delay, if I get lynched there is an infinitesimal chance we can still win, since it will be 4town 3 mafia, and with some clutch saves / vet shots you guys can follow my list and lynch down the line. Claiming medic is mafia's way of ensuring 100% victory.

slOosh

3291 Posts

July 12 2012 04:00 GMT

#967

I would think it's pretty obvious, but I can never be too sure:
Medic please don't claim and think about the situation (why people are asking you to claim all of a sudden).

Barbiero

Brazil5259 Posts

July 12 2012 04:04 GMT

#968

Yup, I'm enjoying it.

There are a few issues. First, it would take HUGE balls to make a play like that day 2. Anyone counter-claiming jailkeeper would screw the whole "plan" over. Completely.

Secondly, who would be a possible medic/vet? I thought it could be Bluelightz(he can be anything any time, really), but he's kinda ignoring the whole "there may be a medic" thing. MrZentor didn't even know a medic was a possibility. Sinensis?

Thirdly, how the fuck do you know scum used delay?
If there is a possible medic or vet, why don't you consider the possibility that scum actually missed their shot(aka. the shot was protected)?

Also, my interpretation that D77 called for a medic by the simple logic that
D77&Medic prot the same guy AND there is no kill = they both prot guy from strongarm attack. What I read is that he is trying to clear up confusion.

I also love how you say like three times scum used delay being 100% sure it happened, when you have the idea that a medic is possible and you don't consider a medic may have saved marv.

slOosh

3291 Posts

July 12 2012 04:30 GMT

#969

Mmm? You don't seem to be enjoying this.

1: It did take balls to make the play. But it took balls to get prplhz out of the stupid situation he dug himself into.

2: Who could be medic? I dunno, and I don't want to know. The question leads to outing the medic, no thanks.

3: I've considered it. I've also considered how you are defending D77 on his behalf when he can easily explain himself. You've also neglected to tell us how outing the medic is worth "clearing up confusion".

In anycase I'm scum and everything I say is BS to you so no need to get so heated.

Dangeresque77

United States65 Posts

July 12 2012 04:30 GMT

#970

SlOosh I never ask for a medic to claim his role.
I was trying to get people to recognize the possibility that they didn't delay
You're whole case on me Is based off of me saying that the majority of people think that zeph and prplhz are town
And that I asked for medic claim(which I did not)

slOosh

3291 Posts

July 12 2012 04:33 GMT

#971

On July 12 2012 13:30 Dangeresque77 wrote:
SlOosh I never ask for a medic to claim his role.
I was trying to get people to recognize the possibility that they didn't delay
You're whole case on me Is based off of me saying that the majority of people think that zeph and prplhz are town
And that I asked for medic claim(which I did not)

On July 12 2012 11:46 Dangeresque77 wrote:
i jailed marvel

which brings the quesion. is there a medic here?

I am not sure how this isn't asking medic to claim. How else could the question be answered? Scum rolecop gonna out the medic? In any case I laud you for actually reading (at least pieces of) my case. As I've said, if you don't think Zeph nor prphlz are scum it probably doesn't make much sense.

slOosh

3291 Posts

July 12 2012 04:35 GMT

#972

I take that back, it still makes sense even if you think them town because "timid newb D77" is treating them with uncalled for favoritism (prplhz more so than Zeph).

Sinensis

United States2513 Posts

July 12 2012 04:37 GMT

#973

I don't care if we kill Zentor or Sloosh I think both would be great targets. I'm going to vote Zentor unless my vote is needed to kill sloosh.

##vote: MrZentor

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

July 12 2012 10:09 GMT

#974

##Vote: slOosh

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

July 12 2012 11:24 GMT

#975

Would I be told if I were roleblocked?

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

July 12 2012 11:25 GMT

#976

EBWOP: of course I include the JK aspect, not just the mafia one

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

July 12 2012 11:26 GMT

#977

wait, Zeph said he was roleblocked

I've not had a notification

............................................

##unvote

marvellosity

United Kingdom36160 Posts

July 12 2012 11:28 GMT

#978

fuck sloosh

are you town???

GMarshal

United States22154 Posts

July 12 2012 11:35 GMT

#979

Someone forgot to adjudicate night actions last night.

If you had a night action last nigh that was supposed to return a result or were supposed to be rbed you'll get a pm from me soon.

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