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GMarshal
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States22154 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-12 11:57:52
July 12 2012 11:57 GMT
#981
Ok, all PMs that weren't sent last night have been sent.

For reference, that's all roleblock PMs, all information role PMs and all veteran hit notification PMs. Not all of these are necessarily present.

This is a reminder to myself to brutally murder my cohost later.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 12:02 GMT
#982
well that was a momentary hiccup.

I was indeed roleblocked.

##Vote: slOosh
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 12:11 GMT
#983
On July 12 2012 20:57 GMarshal wrote:
Ok, all PMs that weren't sent last night have been sent.

For reference, that's all roleblock PMs, all information role PMs and all veteran hit notification PMs. Not all of these are necessarily present.

This is a reminder to myself to brutally murder my cohost later.


You have the *best* luck with cohosts.

Thanks for clearing things up so fast.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
July 12 2012 14:41 GMT
#984
Day 3 Vote Count


slOosh (4)
Zephirdd
Bluelightz
Dangeresque77
marvellosity
marvellosity

Zephirdd (1)
MrZentor

MrZentor (1)
Sinensis

The day ends in 35.5 hours at 02:00 GMT (+00:00). With 8 players alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
July 12 2012 14:42 GMT
#985
* Point 1 - Sinensis push
Early Day1, MrZentor points out Sinensis' first post. Based on that post, he proceeds to spend the whole day pushing for his lynch. Sounds legit right?
The issue is on the moment me and Sinensis fight eachother. Sinensis does something really, really terrible which is blatantly ignoring my post.

That is something that a town player should push for someone's lynch. Nothing is 100% and it's possible that Sinensis is town even after doing that; It is however something that should be pushed for when you believe that person is scum.


I thought the reason he didn't respond to you was because he was angry with you. Now that I take another look at it, I suppose it could have been scummy, but it seems more likely that he was just angry. Town and scum act the same when they're angry. :/

This is an incredibly neutral ground post. He is trying to stop our brawl - seems like the right thing for a town player to do right? For a town player that does not want to push either lynch, that is. MrZentor, however, wanted to push Sinensis. So why did he simply ignore his newest posts and kept pushing for that single first post?


The most important thing to do at the time was to stop the bickering; regardless of the alignment of the participants, it harms the town. It creates spam and, because the participants are blinded by their emotions, they don't think logically, so it's difficult to derive somebody's alignment from a fight. You can't stop a fight if you're not neutral.

This is a new point, and I now realize it's actually important.
He has 29 posts on day 1, a day with about 17 pages of posting.

He has a candidate for a lynch, and he firmly believes he is scum.
He does not actively push for the lynch of his candidate. Why? Why a town player that believes X is scum is not trying to pursue other players into the lynch of his candidate?
A scum player, however, loves to do that. Creates a little suspicion, claims credit on the wagon, and just skims by the day unnoticed. "He is scum hunting!" a player would think, but under further analysis you can see he won't try to pursue for the lynch as he should. Ask questions, create material from his lynch candidate. He is fine sitting on that one-post case and complaining about people switching around - when he himself didn't actively try to keep people into his candidate.



I actually did try to push Sinensis as a lynch, but people like VE refused to lynch him off one post, so I was fine with waiting until day 2 when I had more scummy posts from him to push his lynch.


* Point 3 - The List
(I'll use his answer to this point as well, it's relevant)
He posts a scum list on Night 1. "Sinensis, Marv, VE".
On Day 2, when questioned, he posts this:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2012 06:25 MrZentor wrote:
Isn't it funny that when I list some names you automatically assume it's a list of people I think are scummy?

This is not a transparent post. Anyone reading this will interpret he is saying that the "list" is not a list.


Anyone reading this will interpret he is saying that the "list" is not a list.


the "list" is not a list.


I'm saying that the list is not a list? What? I don't understand......

I'll respond to the rest of it when you clarify. :/
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 14:47 GMT
#986
I am going to do slOosh the courtesy of reading his posts and cases. Stuff like this doesn't help:

On July 12 2012 12:52 slOosh wrote:
This is when many voices doubted the validity of the cop claim (including confirmed towns NSH and VE [yes this is a jab at you marv, just because you flip town doesn't mean you are infallible]).


The quotes below are not the only time I've indicated the claim makes me uncomfortable, I just found them quickly

On July 08 2012 06:26 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 06:18 prplhz wrote:
I'm really angry with how you made me claim cop and then you just unvote out of nowhere. With how quickly the bandwagon stopped I bet that there were scum on it though and I think that VisceraEyes is scum.

I don't get why wherebugsgo thinks my behavior is off because I am cop. He's one of the main proponents of "play blue as green" and how you're only blue while you send in your actions. I play like this, last time I was blue was in Pick Your Poison (with wherebugsgo) and no one guessed it.



Don't you dare. You completely brought this upon yourself and bugs is totally correct. If you are the cop then your play at the beginning of the day was absolutely atrocious, and COMPLETELY unbefitting of your role. You're perfectly capable of solid townie play, but instead you throw crap at the thread when you're in possession of such a power role? What the fuck, seriously?


On July 08 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
There's 2 inter-related reasons I'm wary of lynching prplhz today, being

1) I have a terrible record with assessing/lynching blue claims,
2) I have a tendency to grossly overestimate what I expect from players I have respect for (and you are one, prplhz).

An example of these 2 things working together is Bang Bang, where I lynched (shot) gonzaw the claimed cop. I thought the claim was iffy, but most of all I expected MORE from his play previously (there had been holes). But I was wrong and gonzaw had simply played more suboptimally than I expected.


On July 09 2012 22:18 marvellosity wrote:

The prplhz cop claim

I really still can't quite get over this. prplhz said "you guys forced me to claim cop".

Out of 12 players, only 3 players actually placed a vote on prplhz (me, Zeph, VE). Many others actually defended him. It feels very wrong that someone would claim cop with 3 votes maximum on them. I want ALL of town's thoughts on this please.


[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 14:51 GMT
#987
Zentor: why don't you just tell us what the random 3 names with no explanation was supposed to mean, eh?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
July 12 2012 14:54 GMT
#988
I was bored. XD
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 14:58 GMT
#989
that's a shit reason. was it just 3 random names? where did those names come from?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
July 12 2012 15:04 GMT
#990
Well I think I paired two of the town leader's names with a scum's to see how people responded to the idea of you guys being scum, so I could tell if I was being paranoid or if I had reasonable fears.

I mean, that would be a good reason to do it, but I'm not sure if that's why I did it. I'm not entirely sure why I did it. :/
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 15:07 GMT
#991
On July 13 2012 00:04 MrZentor wrote:
Well I think I paired two of the town leader's names with a scum's to see how people responded to the idea of you guys being scum, so I could tell if I was being paranoid or if I had reasonable fears.

I mean, that would be a good reason to do it, but I'm not sure if that's why I did it. I'm not entirely sure why I did it. :/


On July 12 2012 06:42 Zephirdd wrote:

Why would a town player make a scum list on night 1? There are a few reasons. Gauge reactions, look awesome if all three of them flip scum after the game.

Why would a scum player make a list on night 1? Create confusion, make a little ground to attack all of them later on the game.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
July 12 2012 15:12 GMT
#992
*sigh*

If I were scum I wouldn't have been so candid about my inability to explain my reasons, and I would have just used this as my reason.

+ Show Spoiler +
I paired two of the town leader's names with a scum's to see how people responded to the idea of you guys being scum, so I could tell if I was being paranoid or if I had reasonable fears.


But whatever. -.-
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 12 2012 15:14 GMT
#993
On July 12 2012 23:47 marvellosity wrote:
I am going to do slOosh the courtesy of reading his posts and cases. Stuff like this doesn't help:

Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 12:52 slOosh wrote:
This is when many voices doubted the validity of the cop claim (including confirmed towns NSH and VE [yes this is a jab at you marv, just because you flip town doesn't mean you are infallible]).


The quotes below are not the only time I've indicated the claim makes me uncomfortable, I just found them quickly

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 06:26 marvellosity wrote:
On July 08 2012 06:18 prplhz wrote:
I'm really angry with how you made me claim cop and then you just unvote out of nowhere. With how quickly the bandwagon stopped I bet that there were scum on it though and I think that VisceraEyes is scum.

I don't get why wherebugsgo thinks my behavior is off because I am cop. He's one of the main proponents of "play blue as green" and how you're only blue while you send in your actions. I play like this, last time I was blue was in Pick Your Poison (with wherebugsgo) and no one guessed it.



Don't you dare. You completely brought this upon yourself and bugs is totally correct. If you are the cop then your play at the beginning of the day was absolutely atrocious, and COMPLETELY unbefitting of your role. You're perfectly capable of solid townie play, but instead you throw crap at the thread when you're in possession of such a power role? What the fuck, seriously?


Show nested quote +
On July 08 2012 06:37 marvellosity wrote:
There's 2 inter-related reasons I'm wary of lynching prplhz today, being

1) I have a terrible record with assessing/lynching blue claims,
2) I have a tendency to grossly overestimate what I expect from players I have respect for (and you are one, prplhz).

An example of these 2 things working together is Bang Bang, where I lynched (shot) gonzaw the claimed cop. I thought the claim was iffy, but most of all I expected MORE from his play previously (there had been holes). But I was wrong and gonzaw had simply played more suboptimally than I expected.


Show nested quote +
On July 09 2012 22:18 marvellosity wrote:

The prplhz cop claim

I really still can't quite get over this. prplhz said "you guys forced me to claim cop".

Out of 12 players, only 3 players actually placed a vote on prplhz (me, Zeph, VE). Many others actually defended him. It feels very wrong that someone would claim cop with 3 votes maximum on them. I want ALL of town's thoughts on this please.



Conversely, can you find voices that were accepting and "oh this cop claim looks legit" My point isn't who was expressing concerns, but rather concerns were expressed and yet "newb D77" chose to ignore all and believe in cop claim anyhow.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 15:14 GMT
#994
I just hate the way you play, frankly.

Why post shit when there's no point to it and you can't even later explain it? How does this help town???
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 12 2012 15:15 GMT
#995
And yea, I'm town. By now you've shown that you've lost the ability to objectively consider my cases so I'm just gonna sit here and ... I dunno, chat with MrZentor or something?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 15:15 GMT
#996
You've not even answered my case, slOosh.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
July 12 2012 15:17 GMT
#997
I would love to chat with you.

+ Show Spoiler +
Marv's getting on my nerves.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 12 2012 15:18 GMT
#998
I'm just saying Zentor. Have you ever sat down and wondered why you repeatedly get lynched in games?

Did you not make the logical leap that perhaps there were facets of your play that should be addressed?

You know, like not posting unexplainable crap?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
slOosh
Profile Joined October 2009
3291 Posts
July 12 2012 15:19 GMT
#999
Wait, marv is right, I haven't addressed it. Ball is in my court - sorry for discourtesy. Responding now
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
July 12 2012 15:24 GMT
#1000
Hmmm.

You have a point.....
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
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