On July 11 2012 15:14 slOosh wrote:Actually doesn't matter. I think
Zephirdd is the last scum. I think building a case on
MrZentor is a moot point.
Scum attributes: Inconsistency, pushing agendasThis comes in what I initially thought was just failure to read / forgetfulness, but upon review I think that they are slips and conclusions which are arrived at with reasoning that doesn't match. Considerable are his views on the blues.
On July 10 2012 00:29 Zephirdd wrote:
HOWEVER! Not everything was lost!
The fact that prplhz claimed to be roleblocked means that we can assume a few things.
1- D77 is indeed a jailer.
2- prplhz can't be scum if Sinensis is town. A scum prplhz would just claim to not be roleblocked, which would cast suspicion on both D77 and Sinensis.
The second point puts forth the premise: prplhz cannot be scum if Sinensis is town.
Problems in reasoning: Sinensis' alignment has no bearing on what a scum prplhz would do. If a scum prplhz didn't claim roleblock, he would have to produce a read. But even if he saw that a scum prplhz claiming not roleblocked as the stronger play, it shouldn't rule out Sinensis as scum. In fact, it would actually cast doubt on D77 the claimed jailor on the grounds of game balance. Sinensis has nothing to do with claiming roleblock or not.
On July 10 2012 01:22 Zephirdd wrote:
There are a few problems here on the Sinensis lynch. The voters are MrZentor, VE and Bluelightz.
Unconfirmed players are:
- Sloosh
- MrZentor
- VE
- Bluelightz
Confirmed players are:
- marvellosity, Vigilante shot MsZontar
- prplhz, cop roleblocked**
- Dangeresque77, jailer*
- Sinensis**
- Zephirdd, cuz it's MOTHAFUCKIN ME LOL
Now a few notes should be taken here.
Sinensis never slipped like I thought he did. However, the supposed "slip" would never be said if he was scum - because he would know prplhz had been roleblocked, instead of denying it.
prplhz can't be scum either. If he was scum, his first move today would be to say "not rb'd" and claim some fake read on someone.
Since prplhz confirmed a second roleblock(mine was first), that also confirms Dangeresque77's jailer claim as legit.
All of this confirms these three players as town in my opinion.
From the four remaining players, the one I have a town read is sloosh. I said previously that I had a town read on BL, but thinking about it, it was a read from when we were talking about policy lynch and useless stuff. He may not be town at all.
Also, the issue here is that these three - MrZentor, VE and BL - are avoiding the Zentor or the VE lynches and opting for the Sinensis lynch.
How did Sinensis go into the confirmed pool? He considers the slip as null, but is using it to call him confirmed. There is an agenda here. Call Sinensis town. Why? So he can call prplhz town too based on weak reasoning. Also so he gets to push MrZentor, VE and BL. He critiques them for being on a Sinensis lynch, even though his reasoning for why Sinensis must be town is tenuous.
His followup posts when marv addresses the flaws in thinking show that he wants to call prplhz town, but again on weak reasoning. It's basically "scum prplhz should have done this, and he didn't, therefore he is town".
This has heavy, heavy contrast to his D1 assessment of him where he basically calls him scum every other post. Also note how fast he is to defend prplhz after the cop claim.
Couple of other things which show faulty reasoning that doesn't fit conclusions.
On July 10 2012 00:34 Zephirdd wrote:
The issue I have with MrZentor lynch is... erm...
MrZentor, what was your relation to MsZontar? Is she your wife, girlfriend, sister, friend, roommate...?
Opposes a MrZentor lynch without a legitimate reason. This comes when his lynch actually starts building and rolling on D2. Wants to say "we shouldn't lynch MrZentor". Uses the reason "his relation with MsZontar is important"?
On July 10 2012 09:44 Zephirdd wrote:
MrZentor lynch feels like a mistake because he always plays scummy no matter the game. I mean, he gets mislynched all time right?
What makes me think mrzentor is scum is how much he is still pushing Sinensis, under the basis that his first post was too careful. I did a recheck on Sinensis games(I actually did it!), and he usually has a less structured opening post, or talks about his job times. That is not a 100% occurrence though, and the other posts he made seems to fit his meta much better.
Also, Sinensis going "prplhz wasn't roleblocked" and then prplhz claims to be roleblocked kinda clears him imo. A scum sinensis would know for sure prplhz had been roleblocked, and wouldn't mention the opposite in a post.
And scummier candidates are on sinensis. That's an issue in a game where 9 players live and 5 is needed to lynch. 3 of them are scum. 3 of the scummiest were on Sin(VE switched). 2 confirmed are on Zentor. 1 claimed cop is on VE.
Wants to call MrZentor scum. Reason: "He didn't read Sinensis' old games and come to the same conclusion that I did".
On July 11 2012 09:34 Zephirdd wrote:
VE has been quite active lately. Most of us have just been looking down to him. But what was the reasoning to switch out of Zentor? This feels like a mistake? That's bullshit.
I hate to say this marv, but we've been following your gut too hard. We've been lazy. If VE flips town, everyone is going to be demoralized and we're going to LYLO the next day.
We have 6 votes on VE. I will switch into Zentor and leave to you decide since I'll probably not be around here at deadline(tuesday party time hooray). With 5 votes, a lynch is doable.
If I recall correctly, the general sentiment on the thread is that both of them are scum. As long as there is not a no-lynch, we're fine, right?
Seriously, I invite everyone to re-read Zentor's filter and reconsider it, as well as reading the last few posts by VE.
##unvote
##vote MrZentor
Brings the MrZentor lynch option back again when the VE lynch is pretty much set. Additionally, discredits marv for no reason. Haunting clairvoyance (read as mafia know the town list), that VE is town.
On July 11 2012 09:48 Zephirdd wrote:Look at sloosh's response. If that doesn't make a Zentor/Sloosh team, idk what it is.
Also
Sloosh said:
Don't let the passive aggressive get to you. I'm not going to switch if you are actually wavering in your read of VE, since it means he will be alive D3 and probably marv's gonna get shot and I dunno if you have the guts to pull off a VE lynch.
If marv gets shot D3, it's incredible for us. Because that would be D77 was roleblocked(he HAS to jail marv). And that would mean prplhz would have a check for us.
He takes the quote that I say (my preference for VE over MrZentor lynch) as a sign that I am scum (who is hesitant to vote for scum buddy). Sure. But then he makes this post:
On July 11 2012 09:54 Zephirdd wrote:On July 11 2012 09:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
Not anymore! slOosh is literally claiming scum by refusing to switch to Zentor. He literally said "I don't care who we lynch"...except he DOES doesn't he? He wants ME lynched. That's NOT what he said earlier.
And that would mean Zentor has to be scum as well. Bingo!
Where now labels me scum, and therefore Zentor is scum in association with me. It's the complete opposite of what he just said. Because I'm hesitant to vote for Zentor, he must be scum? Then how am I scum? Zephirdd is making stuff up to push his agenda.
Zephirdd has shown much inconsistency and weak / unrelated reasoning to reach the conclusions that he wants to. This reveals scum agenda.
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