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How exactly is zentor in a game that he /outed? | ||
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prplhz: Lets policy lynch zentor because he's the one I have had the worst experience playing with! zentor: What, I'm not scum! Well no one ever said that you were so why are you already denying it? How about that? Anyway, I am suggesting a policy lynch on zentor unless we find something better and I don't think that that's a bad idea at all, actually it's a pretty good idea. Who would you policy lynch VisceraEyes? Just someone random? I'm sure we can have one of the lovely hosts pick out a random number for us (so we don't have to deal with all that derp about how you pick an actually random person that we had in iGrok's game). | ||
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Anyway, zentor is actually complaining that he is being focused and cracking under pressure but he is not providing anything else we should talk about, just trying to stifle ongoing discussion. On page 2. | ||
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On June 22 2012 13:36 Probulous wrote: So you want to lynch Prpl then? He seems useless to me, he seemed useless in iGrok's game and was town. I won't get in your way if you want to lynch him I just can't tell if he is scum or not right now. Convince me  I really resent how you keep saying that I was useless in iGrok's game. You try replacing into a game where everybody thinks you're scum because of something someone else did. Additionally I was busy with other stuff and my TL time somehow went to other things. I did read the thread and my first read was to lynch Radfield because he was alive. Radfield was scum and GMarshal had this to say after the game. The second time I tried to really contribute I pointed out the last two scum, Mr. Wiggles and Radfield. I was a little flaky on GreYMisT because I hadn't read his filter but I was confident enough that Mr. Wiggles and Radfield were the remaining scum that that didn't stop me. I have no idea why you are even talking about that game in this game or why you insist on slandering me like that. Who made you a judge of anything? On June 22 2012 13:41 MrZentor wrote: PRPLHZ, answer his question or I will be extremely angry with you! Answering because I don't want to give you an excuse for anything. You said that people were being too aggressive. On June 22 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote: prplhz is good town player. I say this not because he's often right (because he's not) but because he's often very transparently town, like me. Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia II My first game with prplhz. His play is much better these days, but this is a good illustration of what I mean when I say a good town player. Contributing, honest and willing to talk about things. Open with his suspicions, and reacts decently to pressure (ironically, I thought he was scum and tunneled him pretty bad.) Furthermore, I don't think prplhz is the type of player to bring a grudge like that between games. He's not that kind of player, and has been around long enough to know that's a losing strategy. He's putting on a show. I think so because look at how he reacts to my interaction with it. To be honest, I like my vote where it's at...I just don't want to stop scumhunting with marvel. Why are you posting a game from like more than a year ago? This is my 21st town game in a row (not counting smurf games and requests), there are plenty of other more recent games you can pick. Also, I'm not putting on a show. While I don't want to play with zentor, he's still the best policy lynch because he is a perpetual null who plays for the scum team. I already said this and yea, I am pretty serious about this. On June 22 2012 18:31 marvellosity wrote: What an exceptionally stupid thing to say, well done. Please, manner. @risk.nuke In Pick Your Poison you put yourself in a position on day3 where everybody else thought you were scum and you couldn't defend yourself because you hadn't shown your investment in the game during the previous days. You ended up getting mislynched and you in big part responsible for this yourself. You are doing this again right now. Please be more active. | ||
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You said that you wouldn't contribute until tomorrow because there's wasn't anything in the thread. Now you're saying it's because you need time to think about what's in the thread. It sounds to me like you don't have an opinion about something very central to townies: how to catch scum. Instead you're just making stuff up on the fly. Really, we're lynching MrZentor today. | ||
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VisceraEyes, marvellosity You two go sit in opposite corners staring into the wall for a little while. Seriously, stop it. I don't really want any of you lynched today but that might change if you don't stop this. You have focused each other enough. I honestly don't even get what this marvellosity case is about, even after reading Probulous write-up. I think it looks pretty right when marvellosity says that you're just taking one little thing and then you're just tunneling him. zentor is a better lynch than any of you because his short filter is full of things that will give you a headache, and because according to his previous games, that's not likely to change on day2. He is doing objectively scummy things such as making up bullshit excuses for not contributing that contradict each other, and stalling while promising that he'll do something later. His latest contribution was my filter in a spoiler. We might as well get rid of him early on unless we have a better lead. Do you really think that either of you is a better lynch than zentor? | ||
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On June 22 2012 07:41 prplhz wrote: Okay whatever the fuck. I joined this game because I thought zentor had outed by meh. zentor is the default lynch for today because he's an unpleasant person just to have around. In case we don't find anything better then he should die just because of how destructive he is when he's town. I played with it once and I don't want to play with it again. ##Vote: MrZentor On June 22 2012 07:43 MrZentor wrote: I'm not scum; I'm just busy playing LoL.  I write "lets lynch zentor because i don't particularly enjoy his company" and then he replies with "i'm not scum". This doesn't make sense because he was never accused of being scum but because he is scum he jumps to the conclusion that any vote on him is because he is scum. On June 22 2012 11:09 MrZentor wrote: I don't see how you can find somebody so suspicious so early in the game. -.- I'll find scum when I have more content. On June 22 2012 12:55 MrZentor wrote: I'm not going to fabricate reads to try to convince you I'm town; I'll probably provide some analysis tomorrow when there's more to analyze. On June 22 2012 21:42 MrZentor wrote: Prphlz, what you fail to realize is that different things are scummy for different players. I always need a little time to digest the information. He is stalling while trying to avoid contributing. First he says that he needs more content, then he says that he needs more time! Why is he suddenly changing his explanation? Because he is just making this up on the fly. Why the arbitrary "tomorrow" deadline? How can he know that he'll have the content he needs tomorrow? It seems like he just thought "I'll not do anything today and then I'll keep them at bay by saying I'll do something tomorrow". Townies can't plan cases, they appear when other people write shit. His latest contribution is taking my filter and copy/pasting it into a spoiler tag. What the hell? If you want zentor around tomorrow over risk.nuke then you need to get your brain checked. | ||
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In WoF he was up for day1 lynch and then we no lynched (even though I know that you just lynch and then get on with the game). He ended up getting lynched on day2 after an abysmal performance. I don't want that kind of distraction around and he's the best policy lynch by far, even though there are a couple of players in this game that I don't even know. I have something that I want to try out too and I don't think we should be all fixed on zentor lynch but you guys saying that we should just leave him around for day2 and lynch people who are more active, easier to read, and more pleasant just because you have a flimsy case or a gut read are crazy. | ||
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What are you doing slOosh? | ||
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On June 22 2012 08:41 Zephirdd wrote: This is a semi-closed setup. If there are 13 players, it's possible that 12 are medics and 1 is a scum. Of course that's retarded as fuck, but nothing is concrete and we shouldn't think "but it's not common to 2 of X" exist ever. at all. In fact, we can't even confirm the existence of a SK until after the night phase. I'm not sure about Millers instaclaiming. While it clears path for cops(as it's pretty obvious that they will show red), it also reduces the number of possible blues, making it easier for scum. At least what I understood from the setup is that Millers can't be blues. If anything, Millers should be breadcrumbing and claiming in case a cop calls them guilty. For all other purposes, they should be *Vanilla*(unclaimed, aka. possible blue) to make it harder for mafia to shoot into blues. This is the post in question. People have already said that this is a bad plan and I agree with that. My problem isn't that he's suggesting a bad plan. it's that I think it comes from a scum perspective. Scum are much more likely to suggest plans that they think are bad for them. For scum, it doesn't really matter if millers claim or not but what Zephirdd focuses on is how it will make them confirmed green and not blue. Zephirdd thinks that that will narrow down the pool of potential blues that scum can shoot which will be a plus for scum. Townies would never focus on this because they don't really care about blues, they care about analysis and avoiding chaos and that's what miller claims will help them avoid. This is really the crux of my case but I'm going to write some more that might convince other people too. First Zephirdd is pretty suspicious about rastaban. Worst case ever into doesn't feel like your other games. He never does anything. Next he has an epiphany that VisceraEyes and marvellosity are scum and again he doesn't do anything about it. No vote, no push, no anything. He looks pretty convinced from what he is saying but he's not acting on it. In the end he jumps on the zentor wagon as the 9th voter, an ultra safe vote based off of two lines of analysis that has already been made several times by other people. What you guys think about this? | ||
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On June 24 2012 05:36 slOosh wrote: Prplhz I need your current thoughts on rastaban and MrZentor. The case you made against Zephirdd could have been made very early on in the game and it clashes with your "let's lynch MrZentor if we have nothing else" because you say this phrase after the quoted Zephirdd's post. ... are you seriously asking about my opinion of zentor? I gave my opinion on both of them already. rastaban here and zentor here. rastaban looked a little bad with his first case but he looks more interested and less lurky now. I have preferred a zentor lynch to rastaban at all points in this game. zentor himself looks like nothing. My case on Zephirdd could have been made early on and I saw the things I just wrote in that post before anybody else started attacking the post for containing a bad plan. I just didn't want to put any pressure on him 'cause it was very early in the day and I wanted to see how he did with the least possible pressure on him. It doesn't clash with "unless we have something else". I say that phrase or similar several times in this game because the zentor lynch has been somewhat of a policy lynch and those shouldn't be done without discussion which I was trying to encourage so scum (and others) don't have a dumb excuse for just going "lol vote zentor im afk". It doesn't mean "unless I have a slight hunch on anything else" because I always have that. I'm still considering who I want to lynch. I agree that this zentor lynch is looking uncomfortably easy but on the other hand it was pushed pretty hard before gaining any sort of momentum and there's been a case on him like all game. rastaban's point that Zephirdd was looking up old games and scum tend to be lazy is kind of okay. I don't have any clear reads right now and this is really bothering me 'cause usually I have at least a town read or two at this point. | ||
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I'd rather have zentor out of this game. rastaban has shown more commitment and more transparency than zentor. You are also forgetting to mention that zentor also has players like VisceraEyes and marvellosity on him. I agree that it's not looking all too great but wouldn't you rather have rastaban with you into day2 than zentor? | ||
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2: Assume that scum shot him because he was obviously townie 3: ??? 4: Get lynched I had another case kind of ready but I need your explanation right now. Why are you even assuming anything? What are you going to use this assumption for? What happened to analysis? wat | ||
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On June 25 2012 08:54 rastaban wrote: If I understand right we have no way of knowing. The rb could have blocked someone and it was a jailer that save the hit so the rbs block didn't matter. The guy the jailer tried to save could have been the shooter, or the guys role blocked could have shot. No one claim, at least not yet as we don't know what could have happened. Yea, I'm kind of covering all that in my post. Roleblocker claim is the best thing he can do right now, jailkeeper need to think it over if he wants to claim and he probably shouldn't unless he's very sure about himself (in which he probably can't help it but to claim). | ||
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On June 25 2012 09:12 rastaban wrote: Why do you want them to claim? that seems really bad to me. Am I missing something, but if they claim we still don't know who shot, there is a chance it was the person they blocked but we don't know that for sure. I'm sorry, did you not read my post? Who is "them" in "Why do you want them to claim?"? I don't know if you're missing something. Roleblocker is pretty useless role and if he got insanely lucky on day1 then he should claim 'cause that'll give us a lot of information and I think it's worth it. | ||
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VisceraEyes marvellosity Stop this shit. | ||
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On June 26 2012 00:33 marvellosity wrote: [...] Pushes prplhz because it's an easy thing to do. [...] On June 26 2012 07:38 marvellosity wrote: [...]So instead of reading and responding to my case, he [prplhz] just saw me and VE arguing, when I was trying to present a case. Clearly then he was successful in deflecting. [...] | ||
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marvellosity How do you feel about risk.nuke? | ||
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I want something more from you two on risk.nuke. | ||
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How does risk.nuke know that scum has a roleblocker? | ||
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I should really be smarter than to get won over by real life arguments and VisceraEyes shouldn't even talk about them in any game 'cause it's really unfair. Ignoring all his real life stuff he does seem a lot worse off than you and I don't know why people apparently don't see this. | ||
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You also need to shoot tonight marvellosity but we can talk about that later. I want to lynch Shraft because of how hesitant he has been doing anything this game, how he seems more occupied with getting his vote down than with actually doing something with the lynch, and partially because of some other things. His first vote on rastaban came after he made a case on rastaban's first post but he hesitates to vote him. Then next he says that rastaban's case on risk.nuke was scummy but he doesn't vote him. Then a few hours later he votes rastaban just because of these two things, cautious first post and risk.nuke case. This wasn't just a few hours later, this was after three other people had placed their vote on rastaban already. Next is the current marvellosity wagon, we talked about it for ages but he is hesitant with his vote. He only votes after Probulous makes his big case. Earlier he said that the question-answer-thing was a bit scummy but it wasn't worth lynching marvellosity over, but now he is using that very same argument for voting for marvellosity! I also think it's very telling that he is actually saying that marvellosity is scum for saying that his own behavior is town. Why would any townie ever say that his own play is scummy when it is townie by definition? Townies think that everything they do is the towniest shit ever (even when it isn't which is surprisingly often). The most telling about how he is acting during these lynches is how little he cares about the lynch itself compared to his vote. After he votes rastaban, he does not mention rastaban again in the thread at all! He doesn't push his lynch even though he's been suspicious of him all game long. It looks like he is happy he just got his vote down and now he doesn't really care who gets lynched. The same thing with the marvellosity lynch: more than 10 hours before deadline he actually says "It's probably too late to sway the lynch". That sounds like he thinks that marvellosity is town but 10 hours before the lynch he doesn't really want to do anything about it. Instead he makes a big post on Snarfs concluding that he is null. He is also keen to point out how tired and drunk he is all the time, like he's trying to apologize for his play. Scum are a lot more prone to apologize for their game because, unlike townies, they're not actually trying their best and they don't see their game as inherently good! And this is in spite of how no one is actually attacking him, which is my next point. Shraft is one of the very few guys who has not been attacked the whole game, he's actually hardly been mentioned. His filter is small, he has a small town presence, and there's plenty of scummy stuff in there. Why didn't scum jump him already? This is of course supplementary because I'm not going to blame him for other people's actions but I think it's well worth noting. ##Vote: Shraft | ||
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I think xsksc is leaning town. Simple stuff like how he is trying to contribute by answering stuff for the guy he was replacing (pretty silly thing to do but a dumb excuse to create content is pretty townie), he's been quite active and vocal (even already been attacked for it). | ||
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Yea, marvellosity was out of that dumb shit going on between you and him. Why would a scum make a 180 just so he could go 1for1 with someone? No I didn't read his huge ass filter in depth but I don't recall your case on him impressing me at all and I didn't get a scummy feeling from him. Yell at me for trying to find an alternative lynch and then 1 minute later suggest yourself that we switch to someone else. I can vote Mattchew too as I said before but I'd much rather we lynch Shraft. I don't understand his play but I always have a hard time trying to read someone who is attacking me for dumb ass reasons. | ||
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On June 27 2012 04:55 risk.nuke wrote: prplhz that's just beeing overly defensive. There is absolutely no need for a townie replacement to jump into a game and justify his formers reads. I find that deal scummy not contributing. And even it was, what else have he done that made you lean town on him or have you judged his alignment from that alone? Why the hell would someone be overly defensive when they replace into a game? He didn't do anything scummy yet because he didn't do anything yet! | ||
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No I wouldn't (and I know because I just replaced into iGrok's mafia) but I don't think that means that everybody would react like that. He is using a dumb excuse for creating content and that's townie enough to me right now. von Klaust II wasn't even under any pressure, I think you voted him for lurking and that was it. You'll also see that xsksc isn't actually defending von Klaust II's standpoints, he actually starts out by saying (correctly) that he can't take responsibility for them or explain them. He just answers the questions to create some sort of content and get a kick start into the game and I think that looks pretty townie. | ||
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What does "I don't trust you" even mean? Does it mean that you think that I'm scum? You have been voting me or trying to vote me for no reason all game long, what is your problem? | ||
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I kind of responded to part of your case already, I don't think scum would make the day2 case that marvellosity made on you 'cause they would look really bad. I think it was pretty obvious that marvellosity would get lynched over you in a 1on1 situation because of all the heat that was on him on day1. I don't think anything else in there has any indication on his alignment. Your vigilante point is really good VisceraEyes and it's done more to convince me than these two cases. I also don't like how marvellosity uses meta in his own defense 'cause this looks overly self conscious. I have just been reluctant to accept that 'cause I wanted to lynch Kurumi on the same thing in Pick Your Poison and he turned out to be town. I just really think that Shraft is scum and I have no idea what you guys are on about. I got Sbrubbles on day1 in Pick Your Poison with a similar analysis (didn't push it 'cause I wasn't confident enough in it 'cause it was a new style). | ||
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It's not a tell to explain yourself 'cause with real life matters you can just lie your ass off. What matters is that you aren't here at important points in the game and that's generally something scum are more prone to do. | ||
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yes, sloosh jailed me during night1 and that should be pretty obvious if you read his god damn filter (and mine) i don't even know what this refundability thing means i don't want to no lynch so i'm just going to vote marvellosity. he could be scum and it's weird that he used the night to flip flop when vigilantes usually use it to make up their mind. going to pass out for a while if you don't mind | ||
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ve had the chance to lynch two of his biggest scum reads yesterday. he backs off you for god knows what reason and then he backs off matt because he asked a question that made ve suspicious of you. what the fuck. no lynch is horrible and ve doesn't want to lynch any of his scum reads and that's really as scummy as you get. no more from me today. | ||
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I'm not going to be around a lot today or tomorrow but I'm going to be around enough to convince you that I'm town. You're the only one I trust in this game (because of your role) and partially risk.nuke. I would defend myself but there is no case on me other than your single argument "he tried to push the lynch of a townie with bad reasoning" but I don't know where I did that. I think it's quite telling that everybody in this thread is on my back right now even though no one ever made a case on me. | ||
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Do something about your nicks guys. | ||
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Now you're trying to infer my alignment through rastaban's actions. You can't do that. He could be pushing his town mate because he's wrong, he could be pushing scum because he's right, he could be pushing scum buddy for town credit, he could be pushing mislynch because he's scum. You can't do that and you're going to repeatedly fail if you insist on doing it. | ||
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On June 29 2012 04:11 marvellosity wrote: prplhz tell me exactly why you're town please? serious question. Okay. I think this is a silly exercise but whatever. I'm just scrolling over my filter and telling you how everything is townie. The zentor push was a little hot headed and I probably shouldn't have focused him like that. I imagine scum would not think "Hey, I think I'm just going to tunnel zentor just because he was unpleasant last game". It's pretty silly but you and VisceraEyes from this game should be proof enough that losing your head is a townie thing to do. I complain that Probulous is telling people that I suck and prove him wrong. Scum would probably just say "Yea, I suck don't ever listen to me." 'cause scum don't want to be listened to. Either they'll get listened to and they lynch scum which sucks or they lynch townies which also sucks for them. They just want to be ignored. I worry about risk.nuke playing like he did last town game where he was mislynched. I tell him to be more active so he doesn't just get rolled over like that game 'cause I know how good he can be. I don't want to give anybody an excuse to lurk away and risk.nuke was a liability to town that game and I don't want him to be that again this game. Even though I keep my reads to myself I answer slOosh's question because I was really impressed by him and his style in Pick Your Poison and I want him to be aware of my alignment and I want to get to know his alignment as fast as possible (I was very sure even on day1 in Pick Your Poison). It kinda sucks but when he died I was actually suspicious of him just 'cause I didn't have that same townie feeling about him. He had a really weird post on me that looked like he wanted to discredit me for some reason and some other things I don't remember right now. (He also thought that I was town which was why he jailed me). My Zephirdd analysis was probably the best analysis in this thread. It convinced everybody and even lead to the SK shooting Zephirdd. Scum don't do analysis like that because they can't. Sucks that it was wrong though. I repeatedly try to stop VisceraEyes and you because I don't see the case on you and your activity is pretty good but it needs to be used for something else. I am really active. I'm around for as much time as possible, I was awake at 3am to play mafia and I was around for the deadlines. It sucks that I'm not around too much yesterday and today and tomorrow but that's just how it is. My Shraft analysis is pretty good and came yesterday where I could just have jumped on one of VisceraEyes or you very easily. I tried repeatedly to shift focus away from you and make you use your energy for something that would benefit town 'cause I didn't see the case on any of you. I'm pretty sure that Shraft will flip scum and if you lynch him then you'll know that I'm the last townie just because of the simple fact that I pushed him over two townies yesterday. Defended xsksc because risk.nuke hadn't read the thread properly. You should also note how I never go after risk.nuke 'cause I don't think he's scum, I just try to direct him in the right direction. I ask VisceraEyes and you about risk.nuke but even though you are both suspicious about him I don't just jump on what would seem easy, I read his filter and then I went on to Shraft's filter and I found that a lot more incriminating. Seriously, look at how much I try to stop the VisceraEyes/marvellosity tunnelfest and push my lynch. I even commented on Probulous huge text wall just so VisceraEyes would take his eyes off of you for two god damn seconds and comment on my Shraft case! Scum would just sit back and think "rofl they're lynching each other and I can just coast by and do nothing and then complain after the lynch that 'I said so!'". Overall style is quite active, quite transparent (not with everything 'cause I like to keep most of my reads to myself), not afraid to attack people and pressure them. Yea I haven't been all that lucky with my scum reads in zentor and Zephirdd but I'm pretty sure that Shraft is scum and I think we should lynch him today. I also think that proper analysts could do a better job of this but I can't find all the subtle nuances of my own play 'cause it just seems very natural to me while other could probably get more into the behavioral part of it. Latest: this post. You can't fake a post like this lol. | ||
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You a pushing Snarfs because you think he's least likely to be mafia. You are basing this around how you have found the entire scum team, which is pretty unlikely in itself and you can't make connections between people like that. You refuse to tell anybody who they are or why. We don't even have to lynch roleblocker today as long as we just lynch scum we'll have another chance tomorrow and maybe scum don't even know who SK is. I also don't think that scum are "protecting" any roles, same as how town blues don't act like they're blue. There is no reason to not just lynch Shraft and then we can maybe lynch Snarfs tomorrow. Shraft is 100% scum and he could be roleblocker just as easy as anybody else. If we just lynch Snarfs then we'll have another chance at roleblocker tomorrow but you're gambling our two attemps because you want to get roleblocker first for no reason. | ||
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##Vote Snarfs Thanks to marvellosity for a 23 page filter, especially his two last posts stand out as very well thought out. | ||
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On June 29 2012 20:19 marvellosity wrote: risk, the problem is I get a townie vibe off rastaban yeah maybe he's scum and I fucked up, but meh. I'm leaning on the opinions of the most recent dead and confirmed townies too (VE, Probulous) so if I'm wrong I can at least blame someone else (jk jk). And prplhz is not roleblocker and that's our best shot of remotely winning. prplhz, I've done the cold hard analysis: That was not 4 hours spent crying or being emotional, believe you me. I can't really care about analysis that isn't in this thread. If On June 29 2012 19:08 marvellosity wrote: fuck you. seriously, just fuck you. isn't emotional then I don't know what is. You are still not responding and it's not like I made an overwhelming post. It was one single paragraph explaining why it is not necessary to lynch the roleblocker today and because of that we shouldn't take any chances to achieve that. We lynch most likely scum and then if he isn't roleblocker then we have another shot tomorrow. I don't even get why you think Snarfs is roleblocker but that's again because you are not saying anything in this thread. Anybody can say a random number and then claim they got the answer from that. 4 is actually the standard random number in RFC1149.5. | ||
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Say scum hits townie and blocks SK, it's 2-2-1. Okay we lynch scum again 2-1-1. Scum doesn't want to shoot a townie in this situation because then he'll lose to SK. SK can shoot townie but then he'll get in a draw with scum if scum hits him I believe. The best actions for everybody on this night (if they want to win) is that scum shoots SK and hope that SK misses him for a draw, and SK shoots scum and doesn't care what else happens and then we'll be in 2-1(SK) situation. This only requires us to scum hunt today which is the most reliable thing we can do. I don't like this roleblocker thing one bit and we can do that tomorrow if we absolutely have to. There's no reason to compromise on our scum reads today to kill roleblocker. It's a lot better to be sure to kill scum and then get another day and more time in similar situation. From 3-2-1, scum hits SK and blocks SK. It's 3-2-1 and we have a situation like today except the SK is a lot weaker to scum which doesn't benefit town. We still need to lynch scum on this day even though we didn't get roleblocker so we have another shot at killing him here. From 3-2-1, scum doesn't block SK, then it didn't matter if we lynched roleblocker anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong. | ||
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##Vote Shraft I think it's more likely that the SK appears less scummy than everybody else and Shraft is easily the scummiest in the thread and if we lynch SK then we lose. gl hf | ||
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That's how it's possible to play this game. | ||
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Last post today. | ||
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I don't think that town could have figured out my alignment very well on day1 (maybe partly because my town is bad but that's irrelevant) because suggesting a policy lynch 5 minutes into the game is generally not something scum do. They can prod me with it (and they did!) but then I just made up a dumb case and that's generally not something scum will do either when faced with the very simple logic: we don't lynch people just because you don't like them. I imagine scum will say "alright" and back off instead of just start making a dumb case. When zentor ends up getting lynched with 8 votes they can't even blame me for leading that lynch. The only way I think I could have been caught for sure was this post by VisceraEyes: + Show Spoiler + On June 22 2012 13:43 VisceraEyes wrote: prplhz is good town player. I say this not because he's often right (because he's not) but because he's often very transparently town, like me. Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia II My first game with prplhz. His play is much better these days, but this is a good illustration of what I mean when I say a good town player. Contributing, honest and willing to talk about things. Open with his suspicions, and reacts decently to pressure (ironically, I thought he was scum and tunneled him pretty bad.) Furthermore, I don't think prplhz is the type of player to bring a grudge like that between games. He's not that kind of player, and has been around long enough to know that's a losing strategy. He's putting on a show. I think so because look at how he reacts to my interaction with it. To be honest, I like my vote where it's at...I just don't want to stop scumhunting with marvel. The bolded statement is very true, when I saw that zentor was in the game I thought "well, lets just make a fresh start" but then I thought "meh, I'll just tunnel the shit out of him because I'm scum and I have a semi-legitimate reason". I think scum's biggest mistake was that we didn't shoot marvellosity on night3. We were pretty sure that he'd shoot VisceraEyes but somehow we didn't predict that that would make him confirmed town and that everybody would be very likely to just sheep him allowing for zero manipulation. If we had shot him then people might have sheeped Probulous on whatever but that was more unlikely since he would not be confirmed and with a mislynch scum would be in a decent position (we would probably have squandered it but anyway). slOosh and rastaban both played well. Like pointed out, slOosh was susceptible to manipulation with his Snarfs read (I think he backed off of Snarfs because I called him null-leaning-town and there wasn't any other support for it either) and he'll just need to change that. I don't know if making small posts or big posts in trying to manipulate town into lynching the guy you want lynched is anything town needs to work on as long as you're making yourself clear. Scum thought that Shraft was the serial killer until the end and I think rastaban did a good job hiding. This could have won him the game if he'd just been a little better at hitting scum with his shots (shooting scum instead of Shraft would lead to 2-1-1 with rastaban on two lives which would be winning position for him if remaining scum would shoot Shraft thinking that he was the SK). marvellosity made a huge comeback but I think that having a 23 page filter in a 75 pages 12 player game is way too much and absolutely unnecessary. You'll do a lot better cutting down on that. | ||
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Two reasons (policy + scummy) to lynch someone is better than one (scummy)! You can have a weaker scum read that you don't talk about. That's perfectly okay. Some people talked about the timing and that was probably right, I made the Zephirdd post 'cause I was afraid people would go after me for not doing anything but tunneling zentor. As a townie I probably wouldn't be afraid and I wouldn't post the Zephirdd case at that time (I would wait until the night deadline or I would accompany it with a vote), but as a townie that would probably have gotten me lynched for only tunneling zentor (but as a townie I wouldn't have done that anyway so  ) | ||
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Really well done on the roleblocker lynch though, no clue how you pulled that off ('cause you refused to tell me other than "I spent 4 hours figuring it out!" ). | ||
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That last scenario is wildly speculative. You can't just say "if part of the game didn't happen but everybody else played the same then this and that would have happened" because I doubt anybody would have played the same if VisceraEyes/marvellosity wasn't going on. You can't just take something out and leave the rest in because the rest will of course have changed too. At the same time you are suggesting that there would have been no mislynches at all if VisceraEyes/marvellosity hadn't been going on. I really doubt that and you should know it's not that easy to find scum, I have never seen you pick out scum teams on day1. The main job of the host is to make the game enjoyable for everybody and you did a really great job as usual except for the postgame analysis (well, mostly the Obs QT). | ||
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Thanks for the analysis. | ||
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