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On June 21 2012 15:50 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +I guess if we had to make a hierachy of evidence it would go - Votes / Actions
- Posts / Logic
- Meta
- Scum/SK night actions / Connections / Interactions and other such stuff
Thoughts? So that means that if Radfield is alive by endgame he's not scum?  Meh I just use everything at once. I don't say "Oh X voted a townie->He's scum even though his posts make sense"; you have to take everything into account.
You do know what a hierachy of evidence is just a way of establishing order of importance right? I would say that if someone is making perfect sense but they vote a townie then the townie was playing very badly and it is likely that others voted him who were not making perfect sense. It's a silly example.
Take Radfield, his actions Day 1 and 2 were so incredibly scummy he should have been voted off but both you and me gave hime credit for his posting subsequent to that. We tended to focus on his later posting than his earlier actions. Ace didn't and nailed him easily.
I like having some guidance on the relative value of evidence and I think this is useful. If someone is undermining a player then there is evidence both through their posts and their actions, hence why it is a very useful tell.
As Ace said, Actions>Words, to which I will add Radfield Alive > Actions > Words
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Oh, sonofashit, I thougth I had 24 more hours.
Sorry guys!
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On June 21 2012 11:51 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 11:15 wherebugsgo wrote:
LOL
lesson learned for everyone involved:
if Radfield isn't dead by n1, and rarely n2, he's scum. But he wasn't scum........so scum didn't know who he was yet still didn't shoot him  Argh Wiggles....why do you have to play so similar as both town and scum >_> Also I said this in Obs QT; but damn you Rad for your "I am a Cop you Idiot" game, it was basically the only thing that made me think you were town Damn I was happy when Palmar flipped but then the 2 guys I pushed before dying were actually town, what a letdown Basically I figured Rad wasn't scum because the Rad-Palmar thing just didn't seem right and all night kills+people pushing him seemed like they were incriminating Rad; but if he wasn't scum then it meant that him surviving until D3 was just a coincidence, and his behaviour seemed consistent with his "Cop" game one, and considering prplhz was just acting like he gave up and drawing attention to the SK and stuff I couldn't think of him as SK. prplhz wtf did you do? >_> Also BB bad luck that the guy you backed off had to be scum I read your "case" against Palmar and found most items were just you bickering against him for "being disruptive" and shit, however you did mention some good points in passing (that were basically buried in the other stuff) that you wouldn't have said if you had bussed him. Of course I figured that out after I died
Of course he was scum. Anyone who is not town is scum.
He did get shot, didn't he? He was just nightkill-proof.
That's even better cause if he catches a scum and no one dies on an early night you automatically know what he is lol.
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
So igrok, what were the results of your poll?
I voted Radfield for SK in it.
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BrownBear
1
Mr. Wiggles
1
Chaoser/prplhz
2
gonzaw
0
Radfield
1
GreYMisT
0
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
Nice  Got Radfield right at least. Had an earlier town read on Wiggles which proved quite not right though :/
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Wow, that was a weird game to watch unfold. Really good play by Rad after the first cycle though; I would have loved to see how this played out at 2-1-1 if BB hadn't been modkilled.
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Well played by Radfield. VE became much townier around day 2 but I never had time to capitalize on it; I should stop being tempted to join invitational games with allure of all-star lineup and all. I hate giving out townie reads & retractions unless necessary anyway, since I want to keep the spectre of pressure go on as long as I can. While I understand the reason behind my expellation, I never understood why pressure on Radfield dropped so suddenly right after N2 =/
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United States22154 Posts
Guys, if rad is alive day 3, he has to be that days lynch, because there's no way he is town.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 21 2012 22:33 GMarshal wrote:
Guys, if rad is alive day 3, he has to be that days lynch, because there's no way he is town.
I had a stretch of 3 town games in a row where I survived till the end of the game. Mind you I was Bulletproof, Veteran and Mayor in those games so....
I survived in Election Mafia too! Though again, I was immune on Night 1, and we had at least 1 medic the rest of the way.
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 21 2012 21:50 Promethelax wrote:
Wow, that was a weird game to watch unfold. Really good play by Rad after the first cycle though; I would have loved to see how this played out at 2-1-1 if BB hadn't been modkilled.
I needed to take a hit or else we would have been at 1-1-1, in which I would have just claimed SK to force a draw. Thing is, Wiggles might have shot me in that situation, as I would have been pushing hard for his lynch.
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On June 21 2012 22:44 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 21:50 Promethelax wrote:
Wow, that was a weird game to watch unfold. Really good play by Rad after the first cycle though; I would have loved to see how this played out at 2-1-1 if BB hadn't been modkilled. I needed to take a hit or else we would have been at 1-1-1, in which I would have just claimed SK to force a draw. Thing is, Wiggles might have shot me in that situation, as I would have been pushing hard for his lynch.
Anything could have been possible.
You played really really well by the way, it took me almost the whole game to figure you out. And even when I did finally get it I don't think I would have if I had been in game with you.
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
From obsQT
marvellosity
06-14-2012
09:32 PM ET (US)
Palmar/Greymist/Radfield in whatever order you like
edit: unfortunately wiggles fooled me. But Radfield played with a survival agenda all game
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Radfield
Canada2720 Posts
On June 21 2012 23:00 marvellosity wrote:
From obsQT
marvellosity
06-14-2012
09:32 PM ET (US)
Palmar/Greymist/Radfield in whatever order you like
edit: unfortunately wiggles fooled me. But Radfield played with a survival agenda all game
That's actually not really true. Once I'd fired my bullet I was essentially a Vanilla Townie. Keep in mind I thought I'd already been hit, so I wasn't bothering to avoid mafia at all. My 100% goal was to lynch both scum, and I was playing with a full townie mindset.
I admit that Day 1 and 2 I was not very motivated, but after that I don't think my play was really distinguishable from my standard play. Who am I to judge though.
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
You probably know your play better than I do
Probably I carried my feelings from the start of the game over to the rest of the game or something.
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I didn't get one comment on GreYMisT and Mr.Wiggles having hot lesbian sex in the endgame? Really?
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On June 22 2012 06:10 iGrok wrote:
I didn't get one comment on GreYMisT and Mr.Wiggles having hot lesbian sex in the endgame? Really?
On June 21 2012 11:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So iGrok, what you're saying, is in the end I drew with SK and also literally fucked over the last town? I can live with that. :p
GreYMisT was wearing the handcuffs. I think it's symbolic of how town were on the bottom and scum were on top. :p
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On June 22 2012 06:17 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2012 06:10 iGrok wrote:
I didn't get one comment on GreYMisT and Mr.Wiggles having hot lesbian sex in the endgame? Really? Show nested quote +On June 21 2012 11:40 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
So iGrok, what you're saying, is in the end I drew with SK and also literally fucked over the last town? I can live with that. :p GreYMisT was wearing the handcuffs. I think it's symbolic of how town were on the bottom and scum were on top. :p
Hahaha, I missed that comment! Ok I feel much better now :D
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On June 21 2012 18:54 marvellosity wrote:
So igrok, what were the results of your poll?
I voted Radfield for SK in it.
Oh lol, I didn't realize Iri Flina was the SK
And lol @ GreyMisT+Wiggles on GM's bed.
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Sorry wiggles for going inactive. I went to England mid-game and I didn't expect to have so little time there, after all the purpose of going was to go to a LAN.
I got modkilled in another game for simply forgetting to vote after a long day of travelling.
gg everyone.
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