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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
lol (temporary) bad streak continues | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On June 21 2012 11:52 Ace wrote: you need to stop relying on meta and just read the game. That goes for everyone. You guys misuse "meta" so much it hurts. Well, I got the "meta" thing right with Palmar, which was basically one of the most important things that made me rethink my stance on him (specially after Liar Game). | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On June 21 2012 12:12 Ace wrote: And what about Palmar's meta did you discover? That when he's scum he puts some effort in activity and contributing in D1 but then by D2 and later he just stops caring and goes inactive/trolling/etc (or he fails to keep up with the façade he put up in his early game). I actually had a town/null read on him until I reread his filter with that in mind. So yeah, I misuse meta....except when I don't EDIT: It was also the main thing that convinced most people to vote him as well. I was also doubting Wiggles was his scumbuddy at first....because he was one of the first ones to point that out  If he was scum with Palmar I don't think he'd point that out to use it later against Palmar.......although perhaps if I hadn't started the Palmar wagon maybe Wiggles wouldn't (and maybe then it would have been easier to catch both......damn I fuck up even when I catch scum ) | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
GG, thanks iGrok. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On June 21 2012 12:24 GreYMisT wrote: This game frustrated me more than anything else really. GG, thanks iGrok. Dude you almost gave me a headache rereading your filter each time and trying to figure out if you were scum or not. Also...now I see why Rad didn't immediately go for a prplhz lynch (I thought that if he was scum/SK he'd take the initiative and just go lynch whoever he wanted, since nobody suspected him at that point, there was no activity and he could do whatever he wanted). I guess Rad thought that prplhz could be town so he wanted to figure out who the scum was. Since he already used his KP, misslynching a townie wouldn't put him in an "automatic victory" like I speculated, which means he'd still need to lynch scum with 2 less suspects and that would have been hard. I don't know why he backed off a Wiggles lynch though (maybe he wasn't sure Wiggles was scum?). | ||
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GreYMisT
United States6736 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On June 21 2012 12:30 GreYMisT wrote: When you get that aggressive on a player that early on, its almost impossible for them to not appear mafia It wasn't just then, it was later as well when I reread the thread/filters. Like you were so passive the whole time I had a hard time not pinpointing you as scum. Luckily I found some tiny bits and stuff that made me think you were most likely town (for instance you backing off Radfield on D3, and some other stuff). | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
) then I'd look terrible. I was trying to figure out who the scum was between Rad and GreY, but their play was similar in that they didn't actually push lynch targets. I should have figured it was Rad because he's more experienced, and therefore should know better, but I'm a sucker for excuses and apologies. I also figured I'd like him more on my side since he'd be more likely to read what I wrote and be swayed by it. I'm not sure, but I think that might have even ended up happening. I was actually really scared when the game started because compared to a lot of the possible combinations, a Wiggles/Palmar scum team didn't seem that strong. Palmar becomes easy to read after a while, and I'm not a very strong late-game player as scum because I haven't really gotten the whole manipulation and push stuff where you want thing down yet. Fortunately town pursued some bad lynches before actually getting around to killing scum. I find it funny though, that in my last two games as scum, I keep looking for scummy townies to make cases on, and then get ninja'd by town players. Happened in LV, and now in this game. I thought hyaach would be a good player to accuse, and that's partially why I made that post after Night 1. Then in comes BB and Gonzaw to steal all my thunder, haha. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Also in hindsight I could have voted Palmar instead of BB on D1 to get Palmar lynched......but well I thought he was town then Well, waiting for iGrok's analysis then EDIT: Oh yeah, why did you guys kill VE on N2? Since Wiggles was scum and I was saying "We'll lynch Wiggles on D3 no matter what" the whole night I thought if he was actually scum I'd get shot instead (which is another thing that made me think he was town later). | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On June 21 2012 13:05 gonzaw wrote: Meh I firmly believed in my Hes case. His case on VE was bad and then he just appeared sporadically to accuse Rad and VE of being scum together and then immediately disappeared. Also in hindsight I could have voted Palmar instead of BB on D1 to get Palmar lynched......but well I thought he was town then Well, waiting for iGrok's analysis then EDIT: Oh yeah, why did you guys kill VE on N2? Since Wiggles was scum and I was saying "We'll lynch Wiggles on D3 no matter what" the whole night I thought if he was actually scum I'd get shot instead (which is another thing that made me think he was town later). Dunno, you'd have to ask Palmar. :p We didn't really talk about anything. That QT is the entire extent of our communications with each other. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I kind of think that each game scum have these "talks" where they discuss everything, about who to kill, about what plans to make, what to do, etc. ....maybe I'm the only one that does that as scum >_> | ||
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iGrok
United States5142 Posts
gonzaw played excellently. People are too scared of Ace, not because he can't figure everything out, but because he doesn't like to babysit players. Radfield is fucking scary. VE is really good as well. Honestly I think most people played really well this game. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On June 21 2012 14:03 gonzaw wrote: I guess I always overestimate scum's decision making and stuff each game >_> I kind of think that each game scum have these "talks" where they discuss everything, about who to kill, about what plans to make, what to do, etc. ....maybe I'm the only one that does that as scum >_> It depends on your team. Ive had the same experience and it is really frustrating. I'm thinking the best solution if you're scum and this happens is to ignore the fact that you have a team and play like a you normally would. If that means bussing your non-responsive team mate on day 1, so be it. But yeah as town it it is always a waste of time to try and work out what scum are thinking because ultimately you are guessing. @iGrok when you wrote this On June 14 2012 18:42 iGrok wrote: Someone in the last three (30,31,32) pages slipped badly. I can say this without revealing doodley-squat because at least one of them had to be scum anyways (8/9 players posted in the last 3 pages, 2 scum alive). Lets see who finds it! Did you mean this On June 14 2012 18:56 Palmar wrote: Just because people mentioned it, my stance on Radfield has changed. I'm not 100% certain he's scum, but he's looking really bad. Anyone with half a brain would see VE is town now, and Radfield has at least three quarters of a brain. I'm not sure I like the hesmyrr lynch. The fact that I forgot about him in my nightpost means that he's not doing anything of value, or I'd remember, and he seems to kinda avoid confrontations, but he was also stupid in a pretty townie way early in the game. I still think gonzaw is scum, I don't think BB is scum anymore, mostly by virtue of almost everyone else looking worse than him. If I was playing resistance I'd be suggesting a team that doesn't include gonzaw/rad/wiggles/chaoser, picking from the other players instead. For safety I'd probably not include hesmyrr either. I'll make the case on gonzaw when I have time today, I was hoping people would just bandwagon me, but alas... | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On June 21 2012 14:20 iGrok wrote: I don't really have analysis. gonzaw played excellently. People are too scared of Ace, not because he can't figure everything out, but because he doesn't like to babysit players. Radfield is fucking scary. VE is really good as well. Honestly I think most people played really well this game. Well...I lead a misslynch on Hes and had my 2 last reads utterly wrong, so I'm not exactly that happy with my play (although I wasn't alive to lead that last misslynch, so I guess it could have been worse >_> ) @Prob: Yeah I think he was talking about Palmar, perhaps this post: On June 15 2012 04:38 Palmar wrote: yeah i wont be able to get this together today. voting radfield for being blatantly and probably maliciously wrong about visceraeyes. Or maybe it was this: On June 14 2012 10:17 Radfield wrote: blech I suck. coast coast coast, lurk lurk lurk, post post post. One day I will have time, but that day is not this day. EDIT: I don't know if he included the SK in that "scum" thing he said...meh I guess he meant real scum. | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On June 21 2012 14:25 Probulous wrote: It depends on your team. Ive had the same experience and it is really frustrating. I'm thinking the best solution if you're scum and this happens is to ignore the fact that you have a team and play like a you normally would. If that means bussing your non-responsive team mate on day 1, so be it. But yeah as town it it is always a waste of time to try and work out what scum are thinking because ultimately you are guessing. Yeah because of that I started thinking "Wiggles nor Grey are scum because they would have shot me. Not only that if scum was someone else they would have shot me as well, so them killing VE was them taking the piss on us and just killing whoever they wanted because they are comfortable, a Wiggles+Palmar team wouldn't be comfortable therefore Wiggles wasn't scum", so I doubt I would have figured out Wiggles was scum even if I was left alive | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On June 21 2012 14:52 gonzaw wrote: Yeah because of that I started thinking "Wiggles nor Grey are scum because they would have shot me. Not only that if scum was someone else they would have shot me as well, so them killing VE was them taking the piss on us and just killing whoever they wanted because they are comfortable, a Wiggles+Palmar team wouldn't be comfortable therefore Wiggles wasn't scum", so I doubt I would have figured out Wiggles was scum even if I was left alive Which if you think about it has nothing to do with his posting. Your thinking was the reverse of what I would expect. It seems like you were saying "Wiggles is scummy as hell but I am still alive and his posts don't fit with the night actions so he must be town." It's the wrong way round. I guess if we had to make a hierachy of evidence it would go
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On June 21 2012 15:26 Probulous wrote: Which if you think about it has nothing to do with his posting. Your thinking was the reverse of what I would expect. It seems like you were saying "Wiggles is scummy as hell but I am still alive and his posts don't fit with the night actions so he must be town." It's the wrong way round. Wiggles is always scummy as hell Well....the thing is that if scum did talk that night I think they would have killed me I just assumed they talked these things through and it wasn't Palmar randomly choosing VE as the kill just because (maybe because VE was pushing Palmar the most out of the remaining players). I guess if we had to make a hierachy of evidence it would go
So that means that if Radfield is alive by endgame he's not scum? Meh I just use everything at once. I don't say "Oh X voted a townie->He's scum even though his posts make sense"; you have to take everything into account. | ||
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