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On June 13 2012 16:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
This whole thread is full of people that are good scum players. WTF is this shit?
Radfield, this is bullshit. I appreciate that you're still going on and on with BrownBoy about this retarded post with Ace, but can you maybe find some scum? Your only read has been me, who you promptly backpedaled and said you didn't want to lynch. Palmar thinks you're double-confirmed, but I think Palmar likes having his ego caressed gingerly. Like a lover.
I think you're motherfucking scum. What do you think about that, SIR?
@Palmar
I'm lynching Radfield. If you get in my way, you're fucking scum.
This whole thread is full of people that are good scum players. WTF is this shit?
Radfield, this is bullshit. I appreciate that you're still going on and on with BrownBoy about this retarded post with Ace, but can you maybe find some scum? Your only read has been me, who you promptly backpedaled and said you didn't want to lynch. Palmar thinks you're double-confirmed, but I think Palmar likes having his ego caressed gingerly. Like a lover.
I think you're motherfucking scum. What do you think about that, SIR?
@Palmar
I'm lynching Radfield. If you get in my way, you're fucking scum.
A) The whole thread is not full of good scum players. Not by a long shot, and mainly not even close to Ace's caliber. When mafia shoot people I am suspicious, I get happy. It's now happened the last 3 games. Bugs/Bugs/Ace
B) Please point out to me where I went on and on with BB.
C) My only read has most certainly not been you, though I did change my mind on you at the deadline. Presumably if you're town that makes me smart.... not scum.
This is entire post is you stretching facts for no apparent reason than to set up your next post.
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On June 13 2012 17:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
Radfield
Here we go, ladies and gentlemen. May I present Exhibit A: The Lie.
I've bolded bits that I: 1) loved to hear Radfield say, and 2) have been infuriated to find he was lying about.
What gets me also is the italicized statement. This is a terrible way to scumhunt. This is a MINI game. If we just lynch into strong scum players (which, by the way, is a lot of people in this game) then the game is just gonna end before we kill any ACTUAL scum. Radfield knows better than this. Radfield can do better than this.
I tried to consider that maybe he was joking. That Radfield didn't actually say this and mean it. However, now I present Exhibit B: The Agenda. This was Radfield's response to Ace's flip...
...so he's apparently not joking. What happened to all this analysis he was "so excited" to do? The only thing he's done was NOT help town find a decent lynch candidate D1, but he has refused to do anything but try and shovel shit at Ace.
Here's why Palmar thinks that Radfield is "double-confirmed". 1) Because Radfield's "lynch of choice" on D1 was, not surprisingly, Palmar's lynch of choice. And 2) Because Radfield was arguing with Ace N1 and Ace flipped with the Daypost.
However, Radfield didn't switch off to BrownBear in the end did he? And not only that, but Radfield has spent all of N1 arguing with BB. Over what? His interaction with Ace
Furthermore, Ace flipped with the daypost. Not only does this free up Radfield to go after his second best scum-read (BrownBear OMG THAT'S PALMAR'S LYNCH OF CHOICE! ^^), but it keeps him from having to actually make a case against Ace and try in earnest to get him lynched. Which, after all, was his intent, because again, by his estimation we should be lynching high-level scum players.
Also, Radfield is concerned about Palmar as town when he's scum. This I can attest to, as we were scum together in AA and one of our top priorities that game was to remove Palmar from the game. Sadly, he was bulletproof. And a jerk. And caught us both. But Radfield knows that others are aware of his tendency to get caught by Palmar early game. Radfield also knows that Palmar is someone that knows how to get people to listen to him.
I challenge Radfield to point out any actual content he's contributed to the thread. I further challenge Radfield to explain how lynching known high-level scum players in a high-level, invite-only game is a winning strategy.
Radfield is playing an exceptionally manipulative scum game. It's a wonder he's known for his poor scum play.
Vote for Radfield. Or Hesmyrr. They're both scum. I'm willing to lynch either one.
Radfield
Here we go, ladies and gentlemen. May I present Exhibit A: The Lie.
I've bolded bits that I: 1) loved to hear Radfield say, and 2) have been infuriated to find he was lying about.
What gets me also is the italicized statement. This is a terrible way to scumhunt. This is a MINI game. If we just lynch into strong scum players (which, by the way, is a lot of people in this game) then the game is just gonna end before we kill any ACTUAL scum. Radfield knows better than this. Radfield can do better than this.
I tried to consider that maybe he was joking. That Radfield didn't actually say this and mean it. However, now I present Exhibit B: The Agenda. This was Radfield's response to Ace's flip...
...so he's apparently not joking. What happened to all this analysis he was "so excited" to do? The only thing he's done was NOT help town find a decent lynch candidate D1, but he has refused to do anything but try and shovel shit at Ace.
Here's why Palmar thinks that Radfield is "double-confirmed". 1) Because Radfield's "lynch of choice" on D1 was, not surprisingly, Palmar's lynch of choice. And 2) Because Radfield was arguing with Ace N1 and Ace flipped with the Daypost.
However, Radfield didn't switch off to BrownBear in the end did he? And not only that, but Radfield has spent all of N1 arguing with BB. Over what? His interaction with Ace
Furthermore, Ace flipped with the daypost. Not only does this free up Radfield to go after his second best scum-read (BrownBear OMG THAT'S PALMAR'S LYNCH OF CHOICE! ^^), but it keeps him from having to actually make a case against Ace and try in earnest to get him lynched. Which, after all, was his intent, because again, by his estimation we should be lynching high-level scum players.
Also, Radfield is concerned about Palmar as town when he's scum. This I can attest to, as we were scum together in AA and one of our top priorities that game was to remove Palmar from the game. Sadly, he was bulletproof. And a jerk. And caught us both. But Radfield knows that others are aware of his tendency to get caught by Palmar early game. Radfield also knows that Palmar is someone that knows how to get people to listen to him.
I challenge Radfield to point out any actual content he's contributed to the thread. I further challenge Radfield to explain how lynching known high-level scum players in a high-level, invite-only game is a winning strategy.
Radfield is playing an exceptionally manipulative scum game. It's a wonder he's known for his poor scum play.
Vote for Radfield. Or Hesmyrr. They're both scum. I'm willing to lynch either one.
You make 4 points here, all of which are BS. In fact, your case is built on straight up falsehoods, and nonsense.
1) That I am somehow going to push a policy lynch on Ace based on his scum-play.
This is untrue, and if you actually read the thread you would see it never happened. In my first post I brought that up. Can you guess what my goal is at the beginning of the game? It's to generate discussion. I threw down both the policy lynched, and the RNG in an effort to get the game moving. RNG picked up steam, and you'll notice I never really mention policy lynching Ace again, except in context to compare it to RNG. I CERTAINLY do not base my vote on it, which is what you seem to be implying.
2)That I, as scum, killed Ace.... so I could " go after my second best scum read"?
That makes no sense. How would going after Ace being even remotely difficult. He literally had zero content, and i never indicated I would build a case on him, precisely because of that fact. Also, in what world do mafia kill off their apparent strong scum reads... it only means a harder time to make a convincing case.
3)Not to mention that apparently BB is my second best scum read, when I've said nothing to that effect. In fact I've defended BB.
Not once did I say I found BB scummy. Nor did I say I wanted to lynch him. In fact, I specifically stated I would rather lynch Hesmyrr than BB. Granted I did state that BB was probably better than MZ, but I had a middling read on both of them, which should be apparent by the thread.
Radfield Wrote:
I have misgivings about you(VE), hesmyrr, chaoser, and Ace(by definition).
I have misgivings about you(VE), hesmyrr, chaoser, and Ace(by definition).
On June 12 2012 07:57 Radfield wrote:
I could get more behind this than a BB lynch. Though BB is probably better than MZ
I could get more behind this than a BB lynch. Though BB is probably better than MZ
Also, Radfield is concerned about Palmar as town when he's scum. This I can attest to, as we were scum together in AA and one of our top priorities that game was to remove Palmar from the game. Sadly, he was bulletproof. And a jerk. And caught us both. But Radfield knows that others are aware of his tendency to get caught by Palmar early game. Radfield also knows that Palmar is someone that knows how to get people to listen to him.
What is this paragraph even saying... and how does it remotely relate to me being scum? Palmar's not dead. But yes, I agree that Palmar has good reads on me. What the F are you even trying to say here...
This might actually be the worst case you've ever made VE. Half of your points didn't happen the way you are depicting, and half your points are things that are not remotely indicative of alignment. At the risk of OMGUSing, you're now back on my radar.
I do agree with the case on Hesmyrr, though I'd like to reread him again. I don't really find his case on VE to be suspicious, as I think those were somewhat valid points. I do however find his total lack of follow-up and apparent disinterest with the lynch to be telling.
I also think his reasoning for not following up was BS. I only mentioned my suspicions of VE AFTER Hesmyrr was around. So that cannot be the reason he did not push VE during the day.
I'm still a bit unsure though, as there are things I like about Hesmyrr's play as well. Definitely willing to vote for him if I can't find a better alternative.
