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VisceraEyes
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On June 12 2012 09:39 gonzaw wrote: So....who do you think is scum? Still figuring that one out. I will post when I have a clearer picture. There isn't really a time crunch at the moment, so I hope you don't mind if I take my time during the night cycle and read carefully. Never promised I'd post after the night cycle. Said I would take my time, read carefully, and post when I had a clearer picture. I've posted things as I read and think of them. You are twisting my words there, and I really don't appreciate it. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On June 13 2012 17:46 BrownBear wrote: yo, i never said outright I would. I assume you're going off of this quote: Never promised I'd post after the night cycle. Said I would take my time, read carefully, and post when I had a clearer picture. I've posted things as I read and think of them. You are twisting my words there, and I really don't appreciate it. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On June 13 2012 17:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Gonzaw I want you, someone who isn't Radfield but thinks Radfield is town, to go point to where you think Radfield is doing a good job of analyzing the game and coming to logical conclusions about the gamestate and deciding who he believes is scum please. Also, please point out any instances where Radfield "applies pressure" to someone in the game, to try and get a read of them. And finally, if you could highlight any points where you feel he's doing a splendid job of establishing his townieness to the class, that would just be super fantastic. Okay. I'll go through the effort mostly because I want Hesmyrr lynched, and hopefully I can convince you to follow that lead instead of Radfield (I'll spoiler it though so it doesn't clog up too much) + Show Spoiler [Why I think Rad is town] + On June 10 2012 08:23 Radfield wrote: Hizzah! No setup to talk about! No roles to direct! Nothing but cold hard calculation...! No medic and no ability to confirm townies means that every player needs to actually play, and establish themselves. No spamming, no coasting, etc. Given that, lets lynch into the players who are most difficult to find and the players with the best scum play. In this case that's ace and.... uhmmm.... well, just Ace I suppose  Seems like a good policy to me! On June 10 2012 08:25 Radfield wrote: In other news we could RNG a lynch. Ace, Palmar! GOGOGO! In just his first few posts, the tone of his posts seem playful, and eager to start the game (I didn't see this tone of his post diminish later in the game either). Scum don't post like this as soon as the game starts, they are not eager to start conversation and interact with others at all, the most the day draws on the better for them. At most scum start posting at the start of D1 to just make a plan or a standard post about policy lynches, or about being active and not lurking and that regular "pro-town" stuff. VE also immediately catches him about something, and he just plays it non-chalantly with a joke. One could expect that someone already "going against him" at the beginning of the game would make him drop off that "cheerful" facade of his, but he doesn't On June 12 2012 06:15 Radfield wrote: Ace, do you actually think lynching Palmar is the best play today? So far I see very little alarming about his play, the biggest thing being his deliberate stretch on Brownbear: Other than that he looks decent. Here pressuring Ace about Palmar like I'd expect him to do as town On June 12 2012 06:31 Radfield wrote: I'm considering it, but his demeanor is very unscumlike. That being said I think he has the ability to put up excellent defenses as scum when his back is against the wall. He had me second guessing myself in PYP:Int, and I basically had a red check on him. He doesn't have anything expressly super-townie in his posts, but his overall in your face/antagonistic playstyle doesn't seem forced or fake. It seems like he doesn't really give a crap, which is a townie trait. THAT being said, some of his posts raise flags(his early posts+ the VE post), but not really enough for me to want to lynch him. I'm also realizing that it doesn't make particular sense to lynch you Day 1 either, as your town play tend to stand out, and you'll get significantly easier to read as the game goes on. It hinges on me finding another candidate though Here he's making some sense about MZ, although he is wishy-washy and does end up voting him. He also doesn't jump on the case against you and doesn't want you lynched, which was a pro-town move to make at that time. On June 12 2012 06:46 Radfield wrote: Rest assured, If you're still the scummiest player after I finish filtering, I will push you Happy You're right though, he really only been 'in your face' with Palmar, but that doesn't make it look like a show. Can you lay out for me in a clear and concise format why you think MZ is the best lynch today? Again same cheerful/playful/eager to play tone in his post from earlier On June 12 2012 06:58 Radfield wrote: Chaoser, I don't really see the Greymist case right now. I certainly don't see much wrong with his response to the Vanilla Town thing. What specifically do you see as the reasons for voting Grey? For instance, he doesn't jump on the Grey case...even though I would have fully supported him if he had done it at that point >_> On June 12 2012 07:49 Radfield wrote: I don't know why I wrote it like that. It's obviously a contradiction like 7 minutes apart and pretty much wraps up my opinion of Meapak. I still lean that it was not necessarily a straight up scummy thing to do, but it obviously has scummy elements to it. I think the honest reason is that I wanted(and want) an alternative to a MZ lynch. I don't see it happening though. I guess him wanting an alternative to a MZ lynch makes him look better (although no that much) On June 12 2012 19:17 Radfield wrote: There's the Ace we know and love. You can't shoot me though, I'm bulletproof. I like how when you are scum you find something someone has done and then just spin it as scummy like crazy. Look for an entire body of evidence.. nahh. I assume what your insinuating is that me and Palmar are scumbuddies, or that I wanted to save him for some sort of underhanded reasoning. I can assure you that if I was scum and Palmar town, I would push any lynch on him I possibly could. Palmar, like no other player on this site, correctly ID's me by Night 1 pretty much every game we have ever played. Certainly he busted me in LOTR and Arkham 2, and was on my case in Closed Casket. No way I would save him, especially when I had already given myself plenty of reason to not vote Meapak. This doesn't seem the reaction I'd expect from a scum that was already found out by Ace | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On June 13 2012 17:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Also Wiggles towntold Gonzaw, back up off him. I'll leave him alive today based on what I've seen. Focus on Hes. Yes, there's another reason I backed off a Wiggles lynch. Something in his posts make me think that if Hes flips scum...Wiggles is very likely his scumbuddy (based on some interactions between both of them). I won't dwell with it until Hes flips scum though, but it's something I found interesting. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Look at his response to Ace. You say "This doesn't seem the reaction I'd expect from a scum that was already found out by Ace"....except he immediately OMGUS' Ace "I like how when you are scum, etc..." and discredits what Ace is saying entirely. Not to mention the fact that Ace did seem to imply that Rad and Palmar were scumbuddies. However, what he actually defended against (and provided evidence for) was the notion that he was scum and Palmar was not. And you say he doesn't want to jump on the case against me, but you're wrong. He does. The problem is that he knows that I'm town and can't think of scum motivation for anything I'm posting, so he wishywashies out of it right before deadline. Wishy washy. Everything he's done has been wishywashy. Everything. Radfield isn't wishywashy. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I already said I found his interaction with Ace odd, but I don't think his behaviour merits a lynch today instead of Hesmyrr, specially because I think he's likely town for those reasons (his town, activity, etc). I'll ask you again, which games was he scum in? Arkham City or Arkham Asylum? I'll check his games there to see if he's "cheerful" there as well. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
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Palmar
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I mean, Ace was practically useless and had like 1.3% thread presence. Ace would probably park his vote on him and nothing else, he wasn't a direct threat to him as let's say, you (he could have easily killed you as scum). I think Ace was killed because basically nobody suspected him (because he was being his usual town derp), and because maybe they didn't want the state of the thread and discussion to change by killing someone else. That makes me think that perhaps scum were content with the way the discussion was going, which was basically steering towards BB, Ace and Radfield in a way (nobody had mentioned Hessmyrr at all, other than Grey asking him one question). THat makes me feel better about a Hes lynch to be honest. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On June 13 2012 10:49 Palmar wrote: damn, I was all ready to lynch ace, guess I'll have to lynch intelligently now. ##Vote gonzaw I think you're scum bro, what do you think about that? also I told you, radfield is doubleconfirmed town. Couple things I'd like to see you talk about more here. Firstly, why do you think gonzaw is scum? Could you give us a case? Secondly, do you have any reason for thinking Radfield is town other than "he agrees with me"? If so, please say it. --- Anyway, I think Hesmyrr is who I'm gonna vote on now, before I go to sleep. gonzaw's case has a couple good points. Namely, during the first day cycle he really did only pop up when he was being talked about. This indicates he was reading the thread very closely, but trying to avoid actively posting in it - usually only done by players who have something to hide. Since this setup has no blues who benefit from obscurity, that casts some serious doubt on Hesmyrr. Secondly, Hesmyrr also is doing the same thing I accused Radfield of doing earlier: He's subtly getting other people to contribute in his stead. Example: On June 12 2012 07:07 Hesmyrr wrote: I was actually waiting for you to post the analysis regarding VE, since I couldn't find concrete argument to merit analysis post yet. Currently I find MZ lynch to be better than that of Palmar but I am not going to get stuck on black-white thinking; the fact that GreYMisT+VE have voted him is cause for concern which is why I am reserving my judgment until the last moment. Personally the interactions happened between VisceraEyes and you are making me extremely wary. He was the original guy to push VE, but he wants (i think) gonzaw to do the analysis? That's very strange. If he couldn't find enough concrete agruments to merit an analysis post, why does he expect another player to find it for him? Either he's very unsure about his analysis skills (not true, it's Hesmyrr, he's a veteran mafia player) or he doesn't want to post analysis out there himself. It's enough for me right now to vote for Hesmyrr. He and Radfield seem the most suspicious right now, and I think the case against Hes is slightly stronger, so... ##Vote: Hesmyrr One final thing: On June 13 2012 18:13 Palmar wrote: VE shut up ##Vote BrownBear Cute. Now how about you contribute, like I said above. Why do you think I'm scum? Is it because I disagree with you? Because that's the only reason you've got so far. And it's a shitty reason, and I'm beginning to think you've just stopped giving a shit about this game and you aren't trying, which is unacceptable in a mini. Ok, I gotta get up in 6 hours, so I'm off. Night, all! | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On June 13 2012 12:24 BrownBear wrote: Also, Palmar, srsly you think I'm scum every game. Find a new target to tunnel bro. Not my problem you roll scum every game I'm in with you. I haven't been wrong so far, have I? | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22631 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Cue Palmar waltzing into the thread, telling VE to shut up and voting for BB. I want to lynch gonz. I very much don't want to lynch radfield. | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:15 gonzaw wrote: To be honest, even if Rad was scum I don't see why he couldn't have just kept Ace alive. I mean, Ace was practically useless and had like 1.3% thread presence. Ace would probably park his vote on him and nothing else, he wasn't a direct threat to him as let's say, you (he could have easily killed you as scum). I think Ace was killed because basically nobody suspected him (because he was being his usual town derp), and because maybe they didn't want the state of the thread and discussion to change by killing someone else. That makes me think that perhaps scum were content with the way the discussion was going, which was basically steering towards BB, Ace and Radfield in a way (nobody had mentioned Hessmyrr at all, other than Grey asking him one question). THat makes me feel better about a Hes lynch to be honest. Ace probably died because at any point, he can go into mafia-is-serious-business mode, appear out of nowhere with a perfect read on at least 1 scum, and get town to follow him. Basically, Ace has the ability to tear up a game singlehandedly even when he's barely invested in it, and most mafia players rightfully fear that (it's the same reason Radfield and Foolishness are popular early hits as well). | ||
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VisceraEyes
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:19 Palmar wrote: that's a joke BB, aimed at VE's You are correct, sir. My apologies. Missed that VE post. But would you mind explaining why gonzaw is your lynch choice, and why you think Rad is town? | ||
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
On June 13 2012 18:20 BrownBear wrote: Ace probably died because at any point, he can go into mafia-is-serious-business mode, appear out of nowhere with a perfect read on at least 1 scum, and get town to follow him. Basically, Ace has the ability to tear up a game singlehandedly even when he's barely invested in it, and most mafia players rightfully fear that (it's the same reason Radfield and Foolishness are popular early hits as well). Hmm, good to know that. I certainly didn't feel like that at all in Liar Game when I was scum though  BB, you forgot to vote in the actual voting thread (not only in here) Anyways, it's like 6 am here so I'll just go to sleep  (finally I get to use that smiley...I don't get what half of the smileys in this forum are for, yet they don't have a laughing one  )I'll read AC tomorrow and see if what you say is true VE. | ||
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