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Your Manason stuff is pretty good, it fits with my read as well. I'll take another look at his filter and see whether I can find a townie explanation for his actions. If not, he is a decent lynch target.
On June 06 2012 08:07 marvellosity wrote:
Lots of questions as with much of his filter in general. This is the kind of post that's a post for the sake of it. Filler is filler, VE had filler too. It was day 1 too so newbs are obviously going to be asking questions and stuff. That doesn't really add anything.
Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 06:12 papapanda wrote:
Grush, if you starsense is telling you VE is not scum, don't vote for him...vote for who you believe to be scum; I would recommend wriggles(long as its not me). Gambit didn't respond yet, if he ninjas today he is dead tomorrow. The only reliable way I can think of to confirm VE is 1)tell him who to shoot 2)someone protect the target 3) target tells us whats up.
Before you post comments on why this is a stupid plan, I want to say that I agree it's a stupid plan and this is not going to happen tonight because so many things can go wrong. #Vote:VE This post is obviously the big one. It just screams scum. Don't vote for VE! Wiggles is more likely scum, vote for him! Except I will vote for VE! The reason he's voting for VE? The plan to confirm his vig shot is flawed. Well where the fuck does that say VE is scum? It just doesn't. As far as single condemning posts go, this one is pretty high up the list.
See this is where I disagree. Whilst the internal logic is inconsistent (ie he thinks VE is scum but telling someone else to vote for Wiggles) but the external logic is alright. He was saying "vote for who you believe to be scum". Grush had just FOS'd Wiggles so that is why he mentioned Wiggles. It actually reads as pretty townie to me because he is saying something stupid without realising it. I know he is being blatantly contradictory but the motivation behind it is townie. The reality is that Wiggles could be scum and so telling Grush to vote for Wiggles, if Wiggles was his number one scum read is not scummy.
Maybe I am misunderstanding something but that is the read I get from that post.
Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 06:43 papapanda wrote:
Both you and I have read MZ's cases, as well as other posts, can we agree that his points are valid?
However as I was reading it, I was, using your term, on the fence for VE's lynch.
What I didn't like was how he responded to the pressure. He claimed vig, one the the toughest role to prove at this stage of the game. Ofcourse it's possible he is vig, and what ticked for me was what he said about if he was the mafia leader, the mafia would try more to save him...(can't find the post, but I'm pretty certain that I read it today). Wifom doesn't work as defenses...(learned that the hard way last game, marvellosity;p).
Anyhow, my point is I find VE scummy and people trying to spread the vote are also worth looking at(hi kenpachi). More bad, just everywhere. At the start, he's just saying "MZ made a good case no? didn't he just?" But still NO explanation from him on what HE finds particularly scummy. Then again we have him talking about vig for most of his post. Between his last post and this one we have him spending most of the time talking about the vig part, which is actually relatively pretty unimportant. He concludes by saying 'I find VE scummy'. Why? How? ... Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 07:12 papapanda wrote:
VE has been contradicting himself through the game. The thing about playing completely different playstyle, day-game and night-game, is just bullocks.
VE's vote-jumping I dislike.
VE's responses are inappropriate as a town.
Marv,
May I ask you what part of the case you find invalid? The day-night game difference. I'm pretty sure that was supersoft that said this, not VE. So we can scratch that as a non-point. VE's vote-jumping is null, and the third point, his responses are 'inappropriate'? What does this even mean? I'm going on a bit now but everything about papapanda's vote on VE and his subsequent explanation reeks of scum.
So we come down to his vote on VE. He was not the only one with terrible reasoning for voting for VE. Townies had terrible reasoning for voting for VE, so if the case rests on this than it doesn't hold much weight. I still think this post is the most damning
On June 05 2012 11:09 Probulous wrote:However I agree with WBG's point about this Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 13:13 wherebugsgo wrote:On June 04 2012 12:57 papapanda wrote:
Kenpachi, reading through your filter again I saw that you fos me. Can you post some things I can try to defend against if you still find me scummy? I'll be out the rest of tonight, but I will respond as soon as I can. based on this post I'm going to assume you are scum and that kenpachi is town. Thanks for making it that easy. He avoids everyone else, doesn't bother to find the case, doesn't respond to any other case and doesn't bother pushing his own scum reads. Oh and he responds to Kenpachi who is another lurker instead of the others who are actually participating in the thread. It just rings scum, scum, scum.
Plus he hammered VE.
For further reading, here is his filter from LIV where he was town. He's more open, more engaging, less afraid to post. There's an honesty and lack of deception in his filter in LIV that does not seem present here.
Reading now.
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Using VE as an example for almost anything other than odd claims is a dodgy business 
I quoted that as an example of filler post just because I find most of his posts like that - filler.
We're not quite seeing eye to eye on the VE vote thing. You get a town vibe from it, but I don't know in what world a townie votes to lynch someone while at the same time trying to persuade someone to move their vote off their favoured lynch target. Not only this but he can't even really explain WHY VE is his favoured lynch target.
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I agree with Marvel regarding Papapanda's meta. We have not seen anything out of the pandaman that is remotely close to this post (Klicky)
On May 05 2012 13:06 papapanda wrote:Yeah, mafia is going to hit SlOosh real hard, as he is 2/2, calling out both sinani and katina. I believe the lynching of BM was orchestrated by the red. The plan for red might have been to target veterans who are slightly inactive. As we can see, Katina passively pushed for lynching of BM. Show nested quote +On May 04 2012 05:05 Katina wrote:
BM has been not been his usual posting self lately. He likes to lurk when he is Mafia. He made a few brief posts early on then disappeared into La La land. So that is something to keep an eye on. Keeping this is mind, I would like to bring up marvellosity. 1. His first few post was to bring Palmer into attention. No, he didn't vote for him, but just bringing him up and possibly started a bandwagon is good enough. 2. He gives his read on NT, saying he "looks the scummiest" but then votes for BM(yes, I voted BM too, I will explain my change of heart if it isn't clear enough-_-), claiming same reason as layabout. His willingness to switch sides so fast is a little scummy. 3. He defends Katina by basically saying she has odd posting style. By association, this also is a little suspicious and him adding on saying that DoYouHas nailed it actually made it sound even worst for me. I would like to conclude by saying that this was pieced together AFTER I assumed he was red. I would like to ask others to help me analyse marvellosity from the point of view of blue. Basically: FoS on marvellosity Combined with his hammer of VE (for terrible reasons), and his terrible post "replying" to Kenpachi but noone else and avoiding talking about anything relevant; I am happy to put him on my scum list. It now stands at
Maju, Manason and Papapanda
Here are thoughts on Maju and hmmm. It seems my thoughts on Manason are not as developed as I thought, well at least not in the thread. Will write something up now.
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On June 06 2012 09:31 marvellosity wrote:We're not quite seeing eye to eye on the VE vote thing. You get a town vibe from it, but I don't know in what world a townie votes to lynch someone while at the same time trying to persuade someone to move their vote off their favoured lynch target. Not only this but he can't even really explain WHY VE is his favoured lynch target. That is the crux of it. I read that post as just general advice to vote for who you think is scummy. I don't think he realised how contradictory it was. What purpose does the post serve from a mafia point of view? There was no way Wiggles was getting lynched with only Grush pushing it, so why post something that contradictory? The answer is simple, he didn't think he was contradicting himself. Rather he was pushing his read, and telling Grush to push his read. The fact that they were on different people is beside the point.
I agree with the VE point though.
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Going to read through some things tonight, see if I can legitimately push conspiracy theory. If so, I will spend some time working through it and get it out tonight or tomorrow morning.
For those of you who thought scum team had to have a few veterans on it, does that read still stand? Based on a lot of what we're discussing, the scum team would look something like:
Gambitx32 (new)
Manason (new)
Zealos (Replacing in for Jitsu after PMs went out, Jitsu vet-y?)
MajuGarzett (unsure on veteraniness)
Papapanda (unsure on veteraniness)
Other (kita, wiggles, whoever)
Again, I don't like going too far into thinking that Greymist would have set teams up with a certain number of vets, but if you do/said you did, I'd like to know your thoughts on whether the scum teams that are being proposed line up with that thought.
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On June 06 2012 09:08 kitaman27 wrote:
Since you are around, could you provide your opinion on everyone else you find noteworthy? Those couple of sentences arent sufficient if you hope to live.
Well other than Manason, I'm suspicious of Hassy and papapanda
While I have been accused of a dearth of informational posting, Hassy has also been a culprit in this matter. The first real instance seen of him posting an analysis of anything occurs here:
On June 03 2012 05:19 Hassybaby wrote:My main read as it stands it Manason. Take the other posts aside for a second, but Bh and myself saw this at the same time it seems (well we ARE the same person): Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 23:29 Manason wrote:
Ok well there is something I want to make clear right now. I never thought VE was Scum. The reason why I gave him a vote was because I was suspicious by the whole bread crumb deal, added on to the fact that he was going to get lynched and I would rather a VE lynch than a no-lynch. For the people saying that I don't provide any evidence, you guys don't seem to be quoting anything in my filter to prove I'm scum either, although I would give you the benefit of the doubt as it is night, I expect something tomorrow and as a show of good will I will make a complete case against who I think is scum.
I know this isn't going to go in my favor and probably harm my chances even more, but I'm lazy and don't want to go digging through peoples filters and making a case. I like to leave that to the vets. Like I've already said though I'll attempt a case D3. Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 23:48 Manason wrote:On June 01 2012 23:40 marvellosity wrote:On June 01 2012 23:29 Manason wrote:
Ok well there is something I want to make clear right now. I never thought VE was Scum. The reason why I gave him a vote was because I was suspicious by the whole bread crumb deal, added on to the fact that he was going to get lynched and I would rather a VE lynch than a no-lynch. For the people saying that I don't provide any evidence, you guys don't seem to be quoting anything in my filter to prove I'm scum either, although I would give you the benefit of the doubt as it is night, I expect something tomorrow and as a show of good will I will make a complete case against who I think is scum.
I know this isn't going to go in my favor and probably harm my chances even more, but I'm lazy and don't want to go digging through peoples filters and making a case. I like to leave that to the vets. Like I've already said though I'll attempt a case D3. Remind me for a moment how a complete lack of scumhunting and voting for a townie lynch isn't scummy the complete lack of scum hunting is scummy, but voting for VE is completely understandable, while I did think he was town I wasn't without doubts. Like I've said above, better a VE lynch than a no-lynch, no one was going for Kita so I hopped on the bandwagon so that we didn't have a no-lynch. Fuck lynch for information. Fuck whether you can get a switch going to another person so we edefinitely get a lynch. AT NO POINT is it a good idea to vote for a guy to be lynched that you think is not scum, and most definitely not one you think it town. He said he had doubts that VE was town, but that doesn't mean you vote for him...that's like his thinking "well the best way to find out is to kill him!" And imo a no-lynch is so much better than lynching a townie. That's why I took my vote off. I really don't like that thinking. It's the same shit that acro and I suggested in Holy Roman, and that turned out balls.
He says that he and BH came upon these posts at the same time but seeing how this was posted after BH died, it would have been fairly easy to say he found it while in fact just taking BH's thoughts and not really having to scum hunt.
His next seeming analysis was of Kita
On June 04 2012 09:41 Hassybaby wrote:Fs...erased my message 3 times now.... ET you picture was....actually quite accurate. I feel that kita has made some town posts: + Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 01:51 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kita are you town?
I mean, obviously I have doubts...but I was unable to make a cohesive case against you last night when I tried. I think you're playing a pretty manipulative game, but not necessarily scummy after trying to build a case. I'm willing to work with you if you're town. I wanted to work together VE! I really did! But then you shunned logic and focused on your nonsense manipulation arguement to the point where you could no longer be included in our order! Don't blame us for your failings VE. I counted 17 instances in your filter where you found me suspicious, wanted me lynched, or suggested that I should be shot. My policy has not changed. The only change is that I have written a case against you and Meapak no longer suspects me. So tell me, what has changed that made you go from the point of stating that I "claimed scum in the thread" to being town. You say you cannot build a case against me, but that did not stop you from pushing for my death the previous cycle. What gives? Furthermore, why were you unwilling to push a case on me without Meapak's support? If I was truly your number one suspect, why does he have to push the lynch on me, rather than yourself? On June 02 2012 12:34 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 12:31 Probulous wrote:
The case is clear against you. You pushed a VE lynch and then let MZ railroad it through. You wre apparently in the thread all day but hardly contributed. Well it's not clear to me. I can't defend myself against something that isn't written. I pushed a VE lynch, which the majority of the players in the game found perfectly reasonable. Why does whether or not Meapak also posted a case have any impact on my alignment? Mine came first and my prefered lynch target was pushed through, what else was there to contribute? Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 12:31 Probulous wrote:
Then you blame VE for distracting you from zealos? Remind me to include my sarcasm tag next time. but has shown some scummy posting too: + Show Spoiler +On June 03 2012 01:29 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 20:13 Probulous wrote:
I have been over this but essentially it seemed like Kita was more concerned about a lyncher than scum. The lyncher would be taking a huge risk to push himself into the mayor role even more so if they do not know their target. Well I guess we disagree. I know I would have 100% gone all out to get elected mayor as a lyncher or assassin and I felt my plan increased our chances of getting an anti-town player into office. so I've come to a null. But when I come to a null, I put them as slightly more town as compared to people who I've barely seen. Personal thing. So I put kita as a bit closer to town as, say, austin or kenpachi. Thus me saying I like that. So I'm null right now, possibly leaning more town but that's purely gut feeling. Then again, my gut was why I took my vote off VE...
But this read comes out null.
From what I see Hassybaby just hasn't contributed all that much.
Marv made a good post on papa on the previous page.
Along with that post
On May 30 2012 11:29 papapanda wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 09:32 Hyaach wrote:
Because mz was posting alot and looking relatively townish. Why would mafia tried to hit him? why not snipe a vet whose lurking? Mafia knows his not on their team so his enemy 3rd party or not Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 09:36 Hyaach wrote:
And because of all the shitstorm last night about who is important who isnt whose doing a wrong lynch and random ppl calling for nonsensical vig shots targettinf a vet whose doesnt have a target paint on hisbhead is all more likely?
In my phone in school My question, is zealos a better lynch candidate than hyaach? PS: Grush has starsenses.
On May 31 2012 07:01 papapanda wrote:
Weird that people are still picking the likes of Phagga or Zealous over Hyaach as lynch target, if based on posted material...
Not sure what happened in AC but I take it that you mean 2 town mason factions, unknown to the other, could each select a single individual each night, command carried out by each respective recruiter? And this is the purposed situation with Gambit?
Until Gambit responds my vote would be on gambit right now.
By the way, by withheld information i meant all information not accessible by someone who is not mason. I was aware of Toads claim of extra mason, but I didn't intend to imply anything more that what my post clearly asked.
Here he starts trying to lynch Hyaach but doesn't bother explaining himself at all. Its as if he just wants to suggest stuff and hopes that someone else will do the scumhunting for him. Also, he hasn't posted very much.
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On May 29 2012 11:17 Manason wrote:
Anyway on with it. Mr. Wiggles and Toad are going to need protection most tonight. Mr. Wiggles moreso. Perhaps we should be focusing on people that aren't posting a lot? Or at least taking a closer look. The scum reads I've seen so far are only for people that have been actively posting and while more posts does help you when figuring out someones alignment, the smaller posts can be more telling.
Why would Wiggles need protection over Toad? Toad had claimed a powerful town role and all Wiggles had was an extra vote. Bad logic, bad! Also I love the way Manason tells people to look at people who don' post a lot and then doesn't bother doing it himself. Note his his first vote.
On May 30 2012 10:26 Manason wrote:
A lot of people are apparently making hasty votes, the day just began. We have roughly 45 hours to decide who is Scum and while you can change your vote why not focus the pressure on someone who is more likely to read the forum.##Vote Kitaman
Which is completely opposite to what he was saying earlier. I also like that this is a pressure vote, when others have been actually pressuring Kita. This is like pissing into a river in the hope it flows faster. This has to be the weakest possible pressure vote I have seen. Kita was an easy target and he gave Kita all manner of excuses not to respond which is what he wanted. That was why he couldn't explain his reasoning behind his vote for Kita, he didn't have any.
On May 30 2012 13:11 Manason wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2012 12:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On May 30 2012 08:15 VisceraEyes wrote:
There you have it. Nice work Matt.
Forumite had me fooled, though I guess since his target was scum that was going to be EZPZ to do. I was afraid of the assassin/lyncher needing to target scum, that was going to make finding them exceedingly hard since they could just scumhunt like normal. Thank God scum took care of it for us. ^^
Now, who's the lynch today? I'm liking a lynch inside of (Zealos, supersoft, Kitaman) presently. What does everyone else think? He's on the radar, but I don't know if there's enough support for his lynch yet. As you say, no one is really mentioning him and aside from a few people thinking his play is "odd" it doesn't seem like many people find him suspicious. I'm trying to get a GOOD lynch to happen, not MY lynch. MY lynch would be Kita. I'm behind you on Kita. Kita or Zealous, those are the two I'd be happy to see lynched. I think we need to start putting some pressure on these two and see what they have to say in their defence. Note how how mentions Zealos? Nothing in his filter before this suggest suspicion of Zealos, but suddenly he is a lynch target. OK, well you have planted the seed, how are you going to make it grow?
On May 31 2012 12:35 Manason wrote:
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VisceraEyes: He's for lynching Kita, so I want to work with him for now.
sToFu: I don't think he's scum.
Mr. Wiggles: I voted for him because I trusted his judgment. Nothing I've seen so far has led me to not trust my intial insticts.
strongandbig: at some points I've thought he's scum, other times town. To be honest I have no opinion at the moment.
Hassybaby: I'm not for lynching the lurkers at the moment as we have better targets that are active. Like Kita and Zealous.
Note targets are still Kita and Zealos. He supports VE because VE wants to lynch Kita and then we get
On May 31 2012 15:43 Manason wrote:
Sorry VE, but theres a lot of evidence making you look bad.
##Unvote: Kitaman
##Vote: VisceraEyes
However I still do look forward to what you have on Kita, If it's good enough you might have a chance to not get lynched.
Out of nowhere. Where is this new evidence that makes VE look bad? MZ had posted his case really early on in the day so it couldn't be that. The evidence was the ginormous bandwagon forming which Manason wanted to be part of. Remember he mentioned BOTH kita and Zealos and yet even when there was a counter push for a Zealos lynch he chose to vote for the guy pushing a Kita lynch.
A newbie town in this circumstance would just stick to his earlier pressure and vote for Kita or Zealos. If he was going to bandwagon VE, he would outright say so. He would not give VE an out by saying the Kita case could save him and then not bother to read it and comment. Especially if Kita was his number one scum read all day.
This is why I think he is scum. Marvel's case is good and hopefully this adds something a little different.
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On June 06 2012 09:52 MajuGarzett wrote:Well other than Manason, I'm suspicious of Hassy and papapanda. While I have been accused of a dearth of informational posting, Hassy has also been a culprit in this matter. + Show Spoiler +The first real instance seen of him posting an analysis of anything occurs here: On June 03 2012 05:19 Hassybaby wrote:My main read as it stands it Manason. Take the other posts aside for a second, but Bh and myself saw this at the same time it seems (well we ARE the same person): Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 23:29 Manason wrote:
Ok well there is something I want to make clear right now. I never thought VE was Scum. The reason why I gave him a vote was because I was suspicious by the whole bread crumb deal, added on to the fact that he was going to get lynched and I would rather a VE lynch than a no-lynch. For the people saying that I don't provide any evidence, you guys don't seem to be quoting anything in my filter to prove I'm scum either, although I would give you the benefit of the doubt as it is night, I expect something tomorrow and as a show of good will I will make a complete case against who I think is scum.
I know this isn't going to go in my favor and probably harm my chances even more, but I'm lazy and don't want to go digging through peoples filters and making a case. I like to leave that to the vets. Like I've already said though I'll attempt a case D3. Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 23:48 Manason wrote:On June 01 2012 23:40 marvellosity wrote:On June 01 2012 23:29 Manason wrote:
Ok well there is something I want to make clear right now. I never thought VE was Scum. The reason why I gave him a vote was because I was suspicious by the whole bread crumb deal, added on to the fact that he was going to get lynched and I would rather a VE lynch than a no-lynch. For the people saying that I don't provide any evidence, you guys don't seem to be quoting anything in my filter to prove I'm scum either, although I would give you the benefit of the doubt as it is night, I expect something tomorrow and as a show of good will I will make a complete case against who I think is scum.
I know this isn't going to go in my favor and probably harm my chances even more, but I'm lazy and don't want to go digging through peoples filters and making a case. I like to leave that to the vets. Like I've already said though I'll attempt a case D3. Remind me for a moment how a complete lack of scumhunting and voting for a townie lynch isn't scummy the complete lack of scum hunting is scummy, but voting for VE is completely understandable, while I did think he was town I wasn't without doubts. Like I've said above, better a VE lynch than a no-lynch, no one was going for Kita so I hopped on the bandwagon so that we didn't have a no-lynch. Fuck lynch for information. Fuck whether you can get a switch going to another person so we edefinitely get a lynch. AT NO POINT is it a good idea to vote for a guy to be lynched that you think is not scum, and most definitely not one you think it town. He said he had doubts that VE was town, but that doesn't mean you vote for him...that's like his thinking "well the best way to find out is to kill him!" And imo a no-lynch is so much better than lynching a townie. That's why I took my vote off. I really don't like that thinking. It's the same shit that acro and I suggested in Holy Roman, and that turned out balls. He says that he and BH came upon these posts at the same time but seeing how this was posted after BH died, it would have been fairly easy to say he found it while in fact just taking BH's thoughts and not really having to scum hunt. His next seeming analysis was of Kita On June 04 2012 09:41 Hassybaby wrote:Fs...erased my message 3 times now.... ET you picture was....actually quite accurate. I feel that kita has made some town posts: + Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 01:51 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kita are you town?
I mean, obviously I have doubts...but I was unable to make a cohesive case against you last night when I tried. I think you're playing a pretty manipulative game, but not necessarily scummy after trying to build a case. I'm willing to work with you if you're town. I wanted to work together VE! I really did! But then you shunned logic and focused on your nonsense manipulation arguement to the point where you could no longer be included in our order! Don't blame us for your failings VE. I counted 17 instances in your filter where you found me suspicious, wanted me lynched, or suggested that I should be shot. My policy has not changed. The only change is that I have written a case against you and Meapak no longer suspects me. So tell me, what has changed that made you go from the point of stating that I "claimed scum in the thread" to being town. You say you cannot build a case against me, but that did not stop you from pushing for my death the previous cycle. What gives? Furthermore, why were you unwilling to push a case on me without Meapak's support? If I was truly your number one suspect, why does he have to push the lynch on me, rather than yourself? On June 02 2012 12:34 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 12:31 Probulous wrote:
The case is clear against you. You pushed a VE lynch and then let MZ railroad it through. You wre apparently in the thread all day but hardly contributed. Well it's not clear to me. I can't defend myself against something that isn't written. I pushed a VE lynch, which the majority of the players in the game found perfectly reasonable. Why does whether or not Meapak also posted a case have any impact on my alignment? Mine came first and my prefered lynch target was pushed through, what else was there to contribute? Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 12:31 Probulous wrote:
Then you blame VE for distracting you from zealos? Remind me to include my sarcasm tag next time. but has shown some scummy posting too: + Show Spoiler +On June 03 2012 01:29 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 20:13 Probulous wrote:
I have been over this but essentially it seemed like Kita was more concerned about a lyncher than scum. The lyncher would be taking a huge risk to push himself into the mayor role even more so if they do not know their target. Well I guess we disagree. I know I would have 100% gone all out to get elected mayor as a lyncher or assassin and I felt my plan increased our chances of getting an anti-town player into office. so I've come to a null. But when I come to a null, I put them as slightly more town as compared to people who I've barely seen. Personal thing. So I put kita as a bit closer to town as, say, austin or kenpachi. Thus me saying I like that. So I'm null right now, possibly leaning more town but that's purely gut feeling. Then again, my gut was why I took my vote off VE... But this read comes out null. From what I see Hassybaby just hasn't contributed all that much.
In the words of the immortal WBG
On June 04 2012 15:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
cool, you're not reading the thread so that affirms my suspicion you're scum.
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On June 06 2012 10:09 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 09:52 MajuGarzett wrote:Well other than Manason, I'm suspicious of Hassy and papapanda. While I have been accused of a dearth of informational posting, Hassy has also been a culprit in this matter. + Show Spoiler +The first real instance seen of him posting an analysis of anything occurs here: On June 03 2012 05:19 Hassybaby wrote:My main read as it stands it Manason. Take the other posts aside for a second, but Bh and myself saw this at the same time it seems (well we ARE the same person): Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 23:29 Manason wrote:
Ok well there is something I want to make clear right now. I never thought VE was Scum. The reason why I gave him a vote was because I was suspicious by the whole bread crumb deal, added on to the fact that he was going to get lynched and I would rather a VE lynch than a no-lynch. For the people saying that I don't provide any evidence, you guys don't seem to be quoting anything in my filter to prove I'm scum either, although I would give you the benefit of the doubt as it is night, I expect something tomorrow and as a show of good will I will make a complete case against who I think is scum.
I know this isn't going to go in my favor and probably harm my chances even more, but I'm lazy and don't want to go digging through peoples filters and making a case. I like to leave that to the vets. Like I've already said though I'll attempt a case D3. Show nested quote +On June 01 2012 23:48 Manason wrote:On June 01 2012 23:40 marvellosity wrote:On June 01 2012 23:29 Manason wrote:
Ok well there is something I want to make clear right now. I never thought VE was Scum. The reason why I gave him a vote was because I was suspicious by the whole bread crumb deal, added on to the fact that he was going to get lynched and I would rather a VE lynch than a no-lynch. For the people saying that I don't provide any evidence, you guys don't seem to be quoting anything in my filter to prove I'm scum either, although I would give you the benefit of the doubt as it is night, I expect something tomorrow and as a show of good will I will make a complete case against who I think is scum.
I know this isn't going to go in my favor and probably harm my chances even more, but I'm lazy and don't want to go digging through peoples filters and making a case. I like to leave that to the vets. Like I've already said though I'll attempt a case D3. Remind me for a moment how a complete lack of scumhunting and voting for a townie lynch isn't scummy the complete lack of scum hunting is scummy, but voting for VE is completely understandable, while I did think he was town I wasn't without doubts. Like I've said above, better a VE lynch than a no-lynch, no one was going for Kita so I hopped on the bandwagon so that we didn't have a no-lynch. Fuck lynch for information. Fuck whether you can get a switch going to another person so we edefinitely get a lynch. AT NO POINT is it a good idea to vote for a guy to be lynched that you think is not scum, and most definitely not one you think it town. He said he had doubts that VE was town, but that doesn't mean you vote for him...that's like his thinking "well the best way to find out is to kill him!" And imo a no-lynch is so much better than lynching a townie. That's why I took my vote off. I really don't like that thinking. It's the same shit that acro and I suggested in Holy Roman, and that turned out balls. He says that he and BH came upon these posts at the same time but seeing how this was posted after BH died, it would have been fairly easy to say he found it while in fact just taking BH's thoughts and not really having to scum hunt. His next seeming analysis was of Kita On June 04 2012 09:41 Hassybaby wrote:Fs...erased my message 3 times now.... ET you picture was....actually quite accurate. I feel that kita has made some town posts: + Show Spoiler +On May 31 2012 01:51 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2012 01:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Kita are you town?
I mean, obviously I have doubts...but I was unable to make a cohesive case against you last night when I tried. I think you're playing a pretty manipulative game, but not necessarily scummy after trying to build a case. I'm willing to work with you if you're town. I wanted to work together VE! I really did! But then you shunned logic and focused on your nonsense manipulation arguement to the point where you could no longer be included in our order! Don't blame us for your failings VE. I counted 17 instances in your filter where you found me suspicious, wanted me lynched, or suggested that I should be shot. My policy has not changed. The only change is that I have written a case against you and Meapak no longer suspects me. So tell me, what has changed that made you go from the point of stating that I "claimed scum in the thread" to being town. You say you cannot build a case against me, but that did not stop you from pushing for my death the previous cycle. What gives? Furthermore, why were you unwilling to push a case on me without Meapak's support? If I was truly your number one suspect, why does he have to push the lynch on me, rather than yourself? On June 02 2012 12:34 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 12:31 Probulous wrote:
The case is clear against you. You pushed a VE lynch and then let MZ railroad it through. You wre apparently in the thread all day but hardly contributed. Well it's not clear to me. I can't defend myself against something that isn't written. I pushed a VE lynch, which the majority of the players in the game found perfectly reasonable. Why does whether or not Meapak also posted a case have any impact on my alignment? Mine came first and my prefered lynch target was pushed through, what else was there to contribute? Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 12:31 Probulous wrote:
Then you blame VE for distracting you from zealos? Remind me to include my sarcasm tag next time. but has shown some scummy posting too: + Show Spoiler +On June 03 2012 01:29 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2012 20:13 Probulous wrote:
I have been over this but essentially it seemed like Kita was more concerned about a lyncher than scum. The lyncher would be taking a huge risk to push himself into the mayor role even more so if they do not know their target. Well I guess we disagree. I know I would have 100% gone all out to get elected mayor as a lyncher or assassin and I felt my plan increased our chances of getting an anti-town player into office. so I've come to a null. But when I come to a null, I put them as slightly more town as compared to people who I've barely seen. Personal thing. So I put kita as a bit closer to town as, say, austin or kenpachi. Thus me saying I like that. So I'm null right now, possibly leaning more town but that's purely gut feeling. Then again, my gut was why I took my vote off VE... But this read comes out null. From what I see Hassybaby just hasn't contributed all that much. In the words of the immortal WBG Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 15:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
cool, you're not reading the thread so that affirms my suspicion you're scum.
Could you explain please?
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On June 05 2012 15:52 Probulous wrote:
I didn't want to do this but it seems that my hand is being forced. I am Dibs the detective. Here is my post in the thread. I checked Hassybaby last night and he returned Earth, I checked Kitaman the night before and he returned Not Earth. ...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336250¤tpage=122#2435
Unless you think I am a lying scum, or he was framed last night, you weren't reading the thread. The fact that you didn't even mention that he had a green check against him says you didn't read it.
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On June 06 2012 10:45 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2012 15:52 Probulous wrote:
I didn't want to do this but it seems that my hand is being forced. I am Dibs the detective. Here is my post in the thread. I checked Hassybaby last night and he returned Earth, I checked Kitaman the night before and he returned Not Earth. ... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336250¤tpage=122#2435Unless you think I am a lying scum, or he was framed last night, you weren't reading the thread. The fact that you didn't even mention that he had a green check against him says you didn't read it.
Yeah, I admit, I was rather busy last night and skimmed over most of the thread and only paid attention to Kita being red and forgot all about the other checks. Just disregard anything I ever said about Hassy.
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why does it say I was modkilled
e: in the op
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On June 06 2012 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
why does it say I was modkilled
e: in the op
A misstype, fixed now
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On June 06 2012 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote:
why does it say I was modkilled
e: in the op
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On June 06 2012 10:53 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2012 10:45 Probulous wrote:On June 05 2012 15:52 Probulous wrote:
I didn't want to do this but it seems that my hand is being forced. I am Dibs the detective. Here is my post in the thread. I checked Hassybaby last night and he returned Earth, I checked Kitaman the night before and he returned Not Earth. ... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336250¤tpage=122#2435Unless you think I am a lying scum, or he was framed last night, you weren't reading the thread. The fact that you didn't even mention that he had a green check against him says you didn't read it. Yeah, I admit, I was rather busy last night and skimmed over most of the thread and only paid attention to Kita being red and forgot all about the other checks. Just disregard anything I ever said about Hassy.
Well actually, just disregard the part about him being scum, I still feel he was playing rather scummy fashion.
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Three things.
1) Look at my filter under the notion that I'm just a lazy town and everything should fit.
2) I made a mistake in lynching VE, but nothing to be done about that now. The evidence I was referring to was MZ post.
3) I urge you all to still look at Kita, because if you want to turn a skeptical eye towards me fine, but at least lynch scum first.
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On June 06 2012 11:47 Manason wrote:
Three things.
1) Look at my filter under the notion that I'm just a lazy town and everything should fit.
2) I made a mistake in lynching VE, but nothing to be done about that now. The evidence I was referring to was MZ post.
3) I urge you all to still look at Kita, because if you want to turn a skeptical eye towards me fine, but at least lynch scum first.
On June 06 2012 10:09 Probulous wrote:In the words of the immortal WBG Show nested quote +On June 04 2012 15:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
cool, you're not reading the thread so that affirms my suspicion you're scum.
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I read all the time, I just never post. Posting requires me to go digging through peoples filters and finding evidence. I'd much rather state my opinion and let others do the convincing.
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On June 06 2012 12:00 Manason wrote:
I read all the time, I just never post. Posting requires me to go digging through peoples filters and finding evidence. I'd much rather state my opinion and let others do the convincing.
No, you didn't actually read. Because if you did read, you would know that we have a way of dealing with the Kita claim overnight. You don't mention that at all, so I conclude you didn't read it.
Now you are abstaining from finding scum and would rather other people do the work for you. Sorry mate but in this town, you carry your weight, or the rope carries it for you.
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On June 06 2012 12:00 Manason wrote:
I read all the time, I just never post. Posting requires me to go digging through peoples filters and finding evidence. I'd much rather state my opinion and let others do the convincing.
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idk how long you'll play here but just fyi this is pretty much a scum claim.
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