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EchelonTee
United States5249 Posts
Any objections? | ||
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Manason
45 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:58 EchelonTee wrote: If no counter claim, mass switch to maju. Any objections? I am very convinced that Kita is mafia and I'd rather not oust the medic. So I do object. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
Why Maju over others ET? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
The following players are alive: + Show Spoiler + 3. Hassybaby 6. Hyaach 7. marvellosity 10. austinmcc 12. MajuGarzett 13. Probulous 14. Toadesstern 18. papapanda 22. Mr. Wiggles 24. Manason 26. EchelonTee 27. kitaman27 29. Meapak_Ziphh 30. Kenpachi I have now removed the players who have claimed roles other than medic: + Show Spoiler + 3. Hassybaby 6. Hyaach 7. marvellosity 10. austinmcc 12. MajuGarzett 18. papapanda 22. Mr. Wiggles 24. Manason 26. EchelonTee 27. kitaman27 29. Meapak_Ziphh 30. Kenpachi A player who supports the "medic-claim" plan is clearly not the medic: + Show Spoiler + 3. Hassybaby 12. MajuGarzett 18. papapanda 24. Manason 27. kitaman27 30. Kenpachi Finally, the mafia team is clearly not the medic. That would remove as many as four players from the last. While the exact number is unclear, I will remove three players from the list. + Show Spoiler + 3. Hassybaby 12. MajuGarzett 18. papapanda If the mafia has a rolecop, it is extremely likely that they already know the identity of the medic, as 1-2 additional players may be removed from the list. If they do not have a rolecop, then the identity of the medic has already been narrowed down to a pool 3-4 players. If the scum team is medic hunting, the medic has 1-2 nights left to live anyway. Therefore, there is very little risk in followin the medic-claim plan, which allows us to avoid the huge risk of a mislynch and two night hits. Thoughts on the remaining players will come in a bit. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
And more importantly...why are you writing it like that? | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5249 Posts
I like maju more merely because I'm most sure of him being scum. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5249 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:01 Manason wrote: I am very convinced that Kita is mafia and I'd rather not oust the medic. So I do object. Opinion on maju? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 06 2012 02:37 austinmcc wrote: Toad, if you're adding one player each night, could you please give us the name of another living player within your mason circle? We've had two blue claims so far today, and scum has yet to shoot at you or MZ, so I don't think there's a large risk in outing another member of the circle. WBG is dead, sorry  Can't tell you more I guess | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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EchelonTee
United States5249 Posts
...what? | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On June 06 2012 03:46 Toadesstern wrote: WBG is dead, sorry Can't tell you more I guess On June 06 2012 03:46 Toadesstern wrote: I see 2-3 potential 3rd members. I'd like that third member to confirm that they are masoned.although it should be fairly obvious | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:22 austinmcc wrote: I see 2-3 potential 3rd members. I'd like that third member to confirm that they are masoned. why? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
MZ is confirmed because he took a shot N1 and nobody else claimed. If scum can hold shots, he's not 100% confirmed. Without a third member to confirm you're a mason, you can fakeclaim, he can claim to have been shot and been masoned, and you can both skate through the rest of the game as confirmed townies by holding back a single KP on one night. Pretty good bargain. I want to be absolutely sure as we push into late game that you guys are actually both confirmed. Now is the perfect time to do so, because if you're worried about someone in the circle getting shot: (1) Mafia hasn't fired on you despite knowing you were a mason since D1, (2) Mafia hasn't fired on MZ since knowing he was masoned D2, (3) we have a claimed medic and cop which make juicier targets than a third member of the circle. Therefore, the downside in the third member outing himself is extremely low. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:38 austinmcc wrote: I won't give a bullshit response, although I had one typed out as well. It ensures that you and MZ aren't scumbuddies. The reason I asked whether scum could hold a KP is to determine whether MZ is 100% confirmed or not. MZ is confirmed because he took a shot N1 and nobody else claimed. If scum can hold shots, he's not 100% confirmed. Without a third member to confirm you're a mason, you can fakeclaim, he can claim to have been shot and been masoned, and you can both skate through the rest of the game as confirmed townies by holding back a single KP on one night. Pretty good bargain. I want to be absolutely sure as we push into late game that you guys are actually both confirmed. Now is the perfect time to do so, because if you're worried about someone in the circle getting shot: (1) Mafia hasn't fired on you despite knowing you were a mason since D1, (2) Mafia hasn't fired on MZ since knowing he was masoned D2, (3) we have a claimed medic and cop which make juicier targets than a third member of the circle. Therefore, the downside in the third member outing himself is extremely low. Do you think Kita is scum as well? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I ask now because we've had the claims and because you stated that you were leaning town on me, so while this is a bit out of left field, I think it's a legitimate request. | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6786 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On June 05 2012 08:42 austinmcc wrote: wbg's protection N1 was definitely from jailing, don't remember N2 specifically. So if blues stayed on the same targets each night, with supersoft dead he was vulnerable. Gonna start the game day with the breakfast of champions, a vote for kita. On June 05 2012 10:02 austinmcc wrote: Went to go looking for something but quote, but you're right. I hadn't spoken up on that. However, I started off yesterday the same way. You had my vote until G32 came back and posted.+ Show Spoiler + On June 03 2012 23:49 austinmcc wrote: Going to put my vote on kita at the moment. Happy to switch it later if needed. Despite nobody coming forward and thinking Gambit is town, nobody (except Kita) has really come forward and said that about kita either. It's not a big preference on my part, but I don't want to swing everything to Gambit too early. All/most of our very low volume posters have popped in and voted Gambit, which makes me want to sit on the other side at this point. I did disagree with VE's case on you. Perhaps it's me being new, but I'm not a big fan of meta-based cases. Going to assume it's more difficult to play different from one's meta than I imagine, but for now I'd prefer a case made off of in-game actions. Part 1 of VE's case was pure meta, Part 2 was based on certain aspects of your interaction with Toad's candidacy and the possibility of him being lyncher. So I wasn't going to vote for you off of VE's case, because (1) I had scummier reads and (2) didn't find VE's case in particular compelling. However, VE isn't the only player to have spoken up, to some extent, I suppose I'm sheeping on this one. Prob posted a case that felt more compelling than VE's, particularly in the way he expanded upon the Toad/lyncher interaction and followed it further into the game. Furthermore, it just doesn't look great in general when townies keep dying with you as one of their main scum reads. While you can say that's just mafia setting you up for a mislynch, you've been a serious lynch candidate for days now and so it's not like they've been aiming shots to make you look scummy, you looked scummy to a lot of the thread before the shots went out. As far as voting for you over my top suspects from earlier - i put out a list of 7 filters that I read. Not everyone in the game, and it wasn't supposed to be all my thoughts, just some filters I'd freshly read. Haven't been contributing as much as I'd like, so I put those out there. You weren't included because you were being actively discussed for the last few days, and I was digging through some other filters. I do still believe manason and papapanda look scummy, but part of manason's looking scummy is the way he brought you and zealos up as scummy with no cases. So yeah, this vote does look more out of left field than I thought it would. I voted for you yesterday but didn't push that. I disagreed with VE's case, but not because I found you particularly towny, only because the case on you didn't convince me more than the case on him. With the claim, it's a little more murky. This is a major turning point in the game though, whether Kita is actually the medic or no, and I want to make sure I've got as much information as possible to decide where I come down on that. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:55 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: That's why I'm asking. He doesn't need to, but I don't see much of a downside.well you're just going to have to take this one on faith then austin because toad doesn't need to reveal it. | ||
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Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:56 austinmcc wrote: Last night, I was leaning scum on Kita.+ Show Spoiler + On June 05 2012 08:42 austinmcc wrote: wbg's protection N1 was definitely from jailing, don't remember N2 specifically. So if blues stayed on the same targets each night, with supersoft dead he was vulnerable. Gonna start the game day with the breakfast of champions, a vote for kita. On June 05 2012 10:02 austinmcc wrote: Went to go looking for something but quote, but you're right. I hadn't spoken up on that. However, I started off yesterday the same way. You had my vote until G32 came back and posted.+ Show Spoiler + On June 03 2012 23:49 austinmcc wrote: Going to put my vote on kita at the moment. Happy to switch it later if needed. Despite nobody coming forward and thinking Gambit is town, nobody (except Kita) has really come forward and said that about kita either. It's not a big preference on my part, but I don't want to swing everything to Gambit too early. All/most of our very low volume posters have popped in and voted Gambit, which makes me want to sit on the other side at this point. I did disagree with VE's case on you. Perhaps it's me being new, but I'm not a big fan of meta-based cases. Going to assume it's more difficult to play different from one's meta than I imagine, but for now I'd prefer a case made off of in-game actions. Part 1 of VE's case was pure meta, Part 2 was based on certain aspects of your interaction with Toad's candidacy and the possibility of him being lyncher. So I wasn't going to vote for you off of VE's case, because (1) I had scummier reads and (2) didn't find VE's case in particular compelling. However, VE isn't the only player to have spoken up, to some extent, I suppose I'm sheeping on this one. Prob posted a case that felt more compelling than VE's, particularly in the way he expanded upon the Toad/lyncher interaction and followed it further into the game. Furthermore, it just doesn't look great in general when townies keep dying with you as one of their main scum reads. While you can say that's just mafia setting you up for a mislynch, you've been a serious lynch candidate for days now and so it's not like they've been aiming shots to make you look scummy, you looked scummy to a lot of the thread before the shots went out. As far as voting for you over my top suspects from earlier - i put out a list of 7 filters that I read. Not everyone in the game, and it wasn't supposed to be all my thoughts, just some filters I'd freshly read. Haven't been contributing as much as I'd like, so I put those out there. You weren't included because you were being actively discussed for the last few days, and I was digging through some other filters. I do still believe manason and papapanda look scummy, but part of manason's looking scummy is the way he brought you and zealos up as scummy with no cases. So yeah, this vote does look more out of left field than I thought it would. I voted for you yesterday but didn't push that. I disagreed with VE's case, but not because I found you particularly towny, only because the case on you didn't convince me more than the case on him. With the claim, it's a little more murky. This is a major turning point in the game though, whether Kita is actually the medic or no, and I want to make sure I've got as much information as possible to decide where I come down on that. No, I'm asking because there's almost no consistent way to think that MZ is scum and Kita's a medic. If MZ is scum, Kita is too. Grey said that medics are notified when they make a save, so if Kita is a medic, then he got a notification saying he saved MZ from a shot. So, MZ can't be scum and Kita a medic unless: a) Mafia actually shot their own member and gambled he'd be protected, which is retarded b) A vig shot MZ (why?) and didn't claim (why?) and we have a missing shot. This is very unlikely. So, you can't say that Toad and MZ are scum, unless you believe Kita is as well. In that case, you're claiming you just caught the entire scum team. | ||
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