Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia XI - Page 18

On May 01 2012 07:42 Pure-SC2 wrote:
WhySoMuch - you don't speak for the town. So far at least 3 people have found your actions suspicious, so if you really are town you need to start thinking a bit more about how you're playing and what you're actually doing to help the town.

On May 01 2012 07:50 Mordanis wrote:
... Then the mafia would only have to lurk, and the active posters would kill themselves off while the scum kill off another one each night. Just two iterations of this, and its down to 4 town and 2 mafia. To be clear, I'm not going to say that we should automatically lynch whoever posts the least, but if we have to decide between lynching a lurker or someone who contributes, I'll go with the lurker. If the person we lynch is mafia, we did well either way. But if we mislynch, I'd much rather lose a townie who contributes little than a townie who contributes a lot.

Also, Hi Marvellosity! gl catching up with everything, hope you post some new insight!

On May 01 2012 08:47 marvellosity wrote:

The second person I am most interested in is WhySoMuch. There were a couple of things that stood out at me just browsing the thread:

1) lots of vote changes. Doesn't have to be alignment indicative, but it stood out
2) The only quote from someone I actually have written down - "Town reads are more important than mafia reads". Interesting - I thought we were here to lynch scum. He expressed the same opinion AGAIN, and then listed his own town reads. Unless I am mistaken, this also happened at night. Sounds like it could be town-read fishing -> mafia kills. Lists of town reads, especially at night, are bad, mmkay? Like I said, they only give mafia targets. If you have people you think are pretty likely town - good!! You don't need to tell all of us. Do you really think that saying "blabla seems extremely townie" is going to convince anyone that person is town if they didn't think so already?
3) He called out golden very quickly saying that if Veriat was scum, golden was scum. Say whaaaaaaaat? So someone casts the deciding vote to lynch a scum and they're scum? I mean, it's possible, sure, but that's an incredible leap to make. It does point out that Whysomuch is extremely aware that scum could be bussing scum to try to gain towncred. Related to this is that he points out himself that he looks good for voting Veriat. So he looks awesomely townie for lynching the scum and golden, the guy who actually got the scum lynched, looks scummy. k.

Anyway, reading the filters is an even bigger task than reading the thread, but I will work on it diligently. There's some food for thought in the meanwhile.

On May 01 2012 09:56 WhySoMuch wrote:


2nd point) Yes we are here to lynch scum, but the only way mafias win is by mislynches. By establishing our town reads, we take away mislynches. You see the same names popping up on town lists and those people all of a sudden become unlynchable, thereby taking away mislynches. The point of having town reads isn't to convince other people to have the same town reads, it's that if everyone makes a town reads list, you have a group of players that will show up on multiple lists, thereby increasing our chances of hitting a mafia.

3rd point) No it isn't, he was forced to make the vote. If he didn't it would automatically be mafia/mafia no questions asked. He put Veriat on his mafia list and was "Happy to vote him". He was also Pro-D1 lynch in the discussion earlier, and if he didn't vote that would go against his policy. No this doesn't automatically mean he is a mafia, but awarding town points to Golden is wrong.

On May 01 2012 10:00 WhySoMuch wrote:
to add to your 3rd point:

Yeah, I do look better than Golden, So does Splinter so does PureSC so does Mordanis. The deciding vote there is not what got Veriat lynched, and the town successfully twisted Golden's arm to vote a mafia, that may not be the right phrase, as Golden could be a town in which case we still "forced" him to vote Veriat, but Golden would do that anyways in that scenario, but if he were mafia and the votes were say 5-3, then golden would not have had to switch.

On May 01 2012 10:00 WhySoMuch wrote:
to add to your 3rd point:

Yeah, I do look better than Golden, So does Splinter so does PureSC so does Mordanis. The deciding vote there is not what got Veriat lynched, and the town successfully twisted Golden's arm to vote a mafia, that may not be the right phrase, as Golden could be a town in which case we still "forced" him to vote Veriat, but Golden would do that anyways in that scenario, but if he were mafia and the votes were say 5-3, then golden would not have had to switch.

On May 01 2012 10:14 marvellosity wrote:


To the bold - what is this nonsense? People don't become unlynchable for turning up on lists, that's absurd. People are unlynchable when they're dead. If a couple of people have someone down as a town-read and I think he's scum, is that going to stop me making a case on them? No, of course it isn't. You don't find mafia because people turn up on lists. You find mafia because they are scummy, simple as that.
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So in the scenario where scum decides to bus Veriat, is it not more likely that they do so in the midst of the voting rather than at the end? golden wasn't 'forced' to vote for anyone, he voted who he wanted to. He could have made a non-vote earlier on in the day on someone like aces (me) or whoever was suspicious at the time.

You seem to have a preconceived notion of how people 'should' play - well, people don't necessarily play like that. You're inventing narratives that to you sound likely, but they are not necessarily true, or even the likeliest narrative.

On May 01 2012 10:36 marvellosity wrote:
No, no-one wants to vote for them because they believe they are townie, not because they are on a stupid list. Jesus christ. Yes, it helps you to find mafia if you have town reads. But that's an individual thing. To make other people see your point of view if they don't, you'd have to make a "town case" which is getting ludicrous.

I also did not say it made golden looked good, I said your assertion that he was scum (your words were something like "If veriat is scum, i believe golden is scum") which I totally dissected in my last post.

As it appears I will fail in my bid to make you see common sense, I shall stop this back and forth with you.

On May 01 2012 11:01 marvellosity wrote:
I'll spell it out for you by giving you the marvellosity challenge:

Find ONE, yes only ONE, good player on this forum who lists town-reads (at night no less) and encourages others to do the same.

Pro-tip: you won't find one.

On May 01 2012 10:36 marvellosity wrote:
As it appears I will fail in my bid to make you see common sense, I shall stop this back and forth with you.

A number of arguments have been made, and not much to add to them because he hasn’t been posting much. He, like other lurkers, should be pressured D2. What got the successful D1 lynch was from pressuring lurkers (yomi called out veriat for this very reason). We need to keep this up.

On May 01 2012 11:23 O.Golden_ne wrote:


4. WhySoMuch

Can you explain Jailbreakers connections to other players in the group in a list? thx