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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
If you havent already, go PM a coach! just having someone to voice your thoughts to can help a lot, even if you dont necessarily need help. | ||
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WhySoMuch
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yomi
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Mordanis
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O.Golden_ne
Australia204 Posts
This is a solid read, please re-read it as it has alot of analysis and i don't want any of it missed. Hi again everyone, back into coherent analysis mode after a massive binge sleep and a re-set of my body clock! There are several important points worth noting for our lynch in Day 2 in regards to Veriats lynching and Yomi's assassination. I feel that i should also give my analysis on WhySoMuch as he has already voted for me today and i should post a rebut, as we need every single accurate vote today because we are 1 townie vote down out of 10. There are 8 town left and we need a majority of 6 and mafia are unlikely to vote for themselves! But let me explain that after the main analysis of this post. In the light of Veriat's lynching: Veriats lynching was a great positive step for the group so early on in the game. He did nothing for the group and was lurking. Now that Veriat has been evicted from the group it renders the Mafia unable to hide under the guise of lurker. The group has accurately sniped a lurker and promoted that active play is what is expected from one of us. Veriat is the prime example of a lurking, hiding mafia, now i fear we will see the rise of either of two kinds of Mafia. A soft-spoken yet explanatory "sponge" Mafia, who will easily slip into someone like WhySoMuch's ill-explained town-lists under the guise of participation and in the safety of assumed mutual innocence. Or a second type of which i have my own suspicions but i will keep to myself until i can be 100% sure. You will have to trust me on this one. In the light of Yomi's assassination: Unfortunately they got yomi. He was dangerous to the Mafia because he was erratic, but maybe even more dangerous because he was right. I see no reason for them to snipe yomi as a #1 priority, there were several other out-spoken target which could have yielded better results for them. I have shown a level of insight, WhySoMuch has shown to be aggro and effective in persuading votes at the end of deadline, Pure-SC2 have also given some good points. So perhaps it [i]was[i/] because of his inclination to get things right?. If you look at yomi's feed he voted WhySoMuch, Nreekay and finally Veriat. I'm glad 7 of us got to Veriat in the end, but yomi voted him first shortly after he appeared #3 on my mafia list. Yomi's strength may have been in his ability to "get it right", however his weakness in my eyes was his little posting. It would have been great to know his thoughts after the DAY1 lynch, especially his thoughts on a top 3 suspect list. I think that the reason they shot him was because while he may not have been a provider of new idea's, he was a provider of solid voting. Shooting an idea-provider would be greatly substantial for the Mafia in the early game so why didn't they? WhySoMuch could have been an ideal target and he even noted it himself so he binged out idea's in the night time. I thought that perhaps if WhySoMuch was shot than i would consider his idea's posted to be given a little more credence than i have (read below), but that is moot as he hasn't been shot. THIS the fact that he wasn't shot makes him slightly suspicious, as who would be able to spew ideas in the night time and not get shot? Perhaps a Mafia who want's to incriminate someone who has been contributing to the group with a 'legitimate nightime argument' without any contest. This is highly strange behaviour. He wasn't sniped, and his idea has gone uncontested. If WhySoMuch was mafia and his position on me was known in Day 1 and i was sniped he would be considered suspicious. So he gave his idea's hoping they will be absorbed on the record, but unchallenged and so he could use them for his benefit at a later date ("oh woops we sniped a townie, what? justify why he's my target? WELL, i commented about him at night, surely he would have sniped me") all the while sniping a solid voter town. My opinion of WhySoMuch and his vote on me. You've tried very hard to set yourself up as the 'Champion of the Veriat lynch', however as i see it you voted 3 times yesterday within rapid succession. Then by admitting 'your townies' had voted for another player you jumped on a bandwagon, which i see as very loose play. By doing that you 'won over' a cheap sort of allegiance with these players, you seem to be trying to foster some surface level friendships with these players and then persecute me for not quickly jumping between 'bandwagons'. My vote on AcesAnoka was reasoned and explained and you've belittled it with this style of play. Yes, Veriat was mafia. Yes, i didn't change vote quickly. Is it more suspect to change votes quickly just before lynch time if you've explained your stance in great detail previously? I feel my style has been efficient in gathering information on players. I also feel that had i changed quickly you would have found me suspicious also. I was going to change votes in due course and i did, which was explained in my posts which you never seem to comprehend. You worry me, you don't read very deeply into the game or into other peoples posts. I have had trouble with many of your responses to questions asked of you in regards to content and your stubborn attitude. I've answered your suspicions of me and you seem very against me. This stubborn attitude should be alleviated and you should read deeper into everyone's posts not just people who don't emerge on your core group of villagers. Please keep your vote on me until you decide with a little more consideration who is Mafia, because i assure you with 100% conviction i am Town, and that i am an asset to the Town. On a side note that you've said there is a 'core group of villages emerging' with little explanation of this town list (Bar the_zen_man) compared this to the depth your 'explanation' of your vote for me. This could be worrisome as mafia could easily slip into your Town list. Your initial justification of your vote against Veriat was fairly slim which you rectified with some loose quoting, but lynching him wasn't because of your pressure on me. If you create a group of innocents in your mind please dont let this cloud your 'bull in a china shop' analysis of players. @WhySoMuch: I am not suspicious of you as mafia. I think you are a very surface level thinking, stubborn and aggressive town. Please explain N1 to me. @People who may consider WhySoMuch suspicious: In his defence, while he may have some contradictory and flip-flop opinions towards the end of day one and had a very strong conviction to get a lynch he was much more active and aggressive than i would expect even of an aggressive mafia. @Nreekay324 How do you reason this argument now. In the hindsight that Yomi was actually innocent. It makes your play look very squirmy under the pressure you were recieveing. Explain. On April 28 2012 04:12 nreekay324 wrote: Both Golden and Pure SC2 cite yomi’s previous game, in which he played blantantly aggressively and voted early off of little (no) evidence. I know this, because I was in the same game yomi was in. His play severely impacted that game, and it was still on my mind in the beginning of this game. What I find interesting however, is that both Golden and PureSC2 are making the beginnings of yomi’s town case FOR him, with the previous game serving as “meta-game evidence”. This is suspicious to me. They are beginning yomi’s defense case for him, why not let him make it? Further, if yomi decided to use this “meta-game evidence to make a case for himself eventually, I would be highly suspicious of yomi, because it could be a perfect mafia play. If other “townies” began the defense for yomi, it’d go down a lot better. However, I can’t make a claim against yomi because he really hasn’t said much. So, ##FOS: Golden, PureSC2. | ||
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
The_Zen_Man- He made a case on Veriat when he could have chosen anyone at that point to make a case on. He is the clearest person in the game right now in my opinion and really don't see him ever flipping mafia PureSC- He was the one that recognized the scumminess of Veriat's "In-depth read list" first. Most mafia would have saw their teammate post that and said "oh ok, good" and moved on. I don't see him being a mafia Splinter- Had every reason to be on Aces, as he made a case on him earlier in the day, but switched his vote to a mafia, with little hesistation. I just don't see that being mafia/mafia violence either. Also, he placed probably the most critical vote out of everyone on Veriat. nReeKay- I like the fact that he has been adjusting his reads throughout the game. Originally I was supicious of him because his vote on me looked super sketch, but his response to that seemed genuine. This read obviously isn't as strong as the others but I would not like to see him voted today LazerMonkey- This one is kind of just overall. Nothing real solid, I'm just getting Town vibes from him As for the 'Champion of the Veriat' lynch. No I wasn't the first person, or the second, or even the third, but I think without me stating why I think Veriat was a mafia and why Aces was not, I swung the late voters. Had I taken a nonchalant approach I very much believe that we could have had a "no-lynch" yesterday. As for your whole post, I don't know if you would write that whole thing out as a mafia, but that's about the only thing town-like of your post. Your whole post is essentially soft-pushing me mafia, yet in the end you call me a town? The reason why I raise suspicion at you is not because of the time it took, but because of the words you used. On April 29 2012 04:50 O.Golden_ne wrote: Veriat is my current 3rd scum-read, i would be happy to see him lynched. His behaviour and activity level isn't great as stated by several of the others. I cannot tell if he is town or mafia, but as a lurker i find him useless in the debate. I will change votes only until you can show me AcesAnoka is less of a threat than Veriat. Notice the bold. Then read the last sentence. Those to lines don't add up. But on a side note: Did we prove to you Aces was less of a threat than Veriat? On April 29 2012 05:50 O.Golden_ne wrote: I will vote for him if we need too, but answer me this. Is Veriats 'wolfy' posts more detrimental to the team than AcesAnoka's? Notice the tone in the bold. It doesn't make sense that you are "happy to vote him" but will only vote him "if we need to". | ||
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WhySoMuch
132 Posts
Mordanis- Originally I thought he looked really good, but going back I don't like it as much. I'm not advocating a vote for him in the least. But he was really spongy on his vote of Veriat, only switching to him if someone else did. But meh, We will see what comes of today. @Everyone- Thoughts on Jailbreaker? Obviously I think Golden is a mafia but we aren't gonna spend the whole day talking about especially when I don't think he's gonna get a maj on him. So a good alternative is Jailbreakers imo. What raised alarm bells for me is 2 things: 1) Veriat magically put him on a wolf list with almost no explanation. This is a feeble attempt to seperate themselves should one of them be lynched. 2) This Post: + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 04:09 Jailbreaker wrote: nonononononono water you guys doin? you planet all wrong. Can't you see that other players are trying to rush people into a decision so fast?? Just because we dun have a majority vote, doesn't mean we should rush. Even though I voted for Yomi so fast in the game, i didn't rush. Just like what golden says, stay clam and dont panic. I know its fail logic right here, no apollo-gies here on my part. Mordanis says: + Show Spoiler + Hopefully our analysis has been good enough that at least some of the people who have 2 or 3 votes are scum. That being said, our strategy should be to have everyone post the people they'd be willing to vote for. This will force the mafia to either risk voting for their own or they will reveal themselves (the circle of people who won't vote for each other will be the mafia). Personally, I'll vote for anyone who is close to a majority, or one of the triangle who won't vote for each other. Come on guys, we are running out of time and we need to start working together to make a lynch. Its crunch time guys, and we need teamwork to beat the mafia. and + Show Spoiler + Guys, we have 4 hours. We need to get going. the closest we have is 4 now. Sounds a bit to me like a rushing/get-on-the-band-wagon Why are you voting for him? plz give a real reason. I also feel like O.Golden_ne has the most influence over the votes with your "in depth analysis" and a galactic wall of texts. Sounds more like regurgitation of O.Golden_ne's posts. From what AcecAnoka has posted, I feel like we dont have enough info to point fingers at him. get off the bandwagon and look at other players posts just in general Originally I thought this was a town-like statement to make. But looking back at it with results in mind I don't like it. He says we're doing everything wrong, but doesn't give any alternatives. He is merely commentating on the game instead of adding to the game. It is also weird that he soft-defends Aces and soft-Attacks Veriat, though he does not vote Veriat. It seems he is trying to get people to move to different wagons than we had. If he had added more and given his own suggestion, I think this is very town-like post, but because he doesn't it makes me very wary of him | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
After that little bit of defense, I'm very glad to have suspicion cast upon me. We need to have everyone defending themselves and looking at other players behavior. I'd like to think that I'm one of the least scummy posters, but I have no problems. I'll be able to post a bit more in a little bit, so bye for a few minutes :D | ||
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Jailbreaker
United States62 Posts
Since I voted to horribly wrong, I'm going to delay my vote until it is closer to the deadline. WhySoMuch - so honored to be a suspect on your list. You're right, i have been commentating to much on everyone's posts. i didn't vote veriat because it seemed like a bandwagon case to me. Mordanis - + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2012 11:53 Mordanis wrote: Frankly, I was simply reluctant to change my 3 times in about an hour. In reality, I was more for a lynch for either player than I was for a lynch of specifically one of them. At that point, Aces hadn't posted in about a day, so without knowing any justification for why he was lurking, he was a good candidate for a lynch even if there was a low probability of his being mafia just because he wasn't any help for the town. Hell, I'm still for lynching lurkers even if there is a low probability of them turning out scum because we need to work together. Lurking only hurts us. Also, if you look at the earlier parts of the thread, I was one of the first to put pressure on Veriat, which I don't see mafia doing. After that little bit of defense, I'm very glad to have suspicion cast upon me. We need to have everyone defending themselves and looking at other players behavior. I'd like to think that I'm one of the least scummy posters, but I have no problems. I'll be able to post a bit more in a little bit, so bye for a few minutes :D All I get is a scum vibe from you on this post. But i feel like i don't have enough info on you to make a significant case against you. Seeing how I take individual posts instead of looking at the context of the posts. will post more when i have a goodnight sleep | ||
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
 Although it's sad we lost yomi in the night, I think getting the successful lynch on day 1 is a huge plus for us, and means we can push to lynch any lurkers meaning everyone has to stay active during this day. So lets stay active, and either identify who's lurking and/or who are the most suspicious people out there. For starters, I want to here my top scum reads respond to my comments on them - thats means you nreekay324 and Jailbreaker. | ||
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
Mafia hit people for a reason. What was the reason behind yomi getting whacked? Well in the course of day 1, other than getting annoyed by WhySoMuch, he had genuine suspicions of two people, Veriat and nreekay324. We know one of them was scum, and nreekay324 is my strongest scum read (refer to my night post just before the deadline). If you were the two remaining mafia, and you had seem yomi lead the lynch on one of your scum buddies, and he had found you suspicious, wouldn't that make him a good target? Interesting points related to the hit on yomi: - After the first day post, nreekay324 states "looks like my suspicions about yomi may have been wrong though..." - this is interesting in that if nreekay324 knows yomi is about to die and flip town it's a good way to clear himself from his earlier stated suspicions of yomi. - People who found yomi suspicious: Jailbreaker, AcesAnoka, nreekay324 | ||
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
Nova/The_Zen_Man - Like everyone already said, their actions can't be explained in any other way that they are twonies. AcesAnoka - My prime suspect from day 1. Like a said before, Him being scum doesn't make alot of sense to me atm. Mafia would just spread votes between him and Verait. However I think that he is play is quite strange. The only thing he posted after he got him from the wedding was some excuses and this: On April 29 2012 18:03 AcesAnoka wrote: EDIT: Just read through the whole thread and from what i've seen Veriat looked very suspicious, if I were there my vote would've gone to him too. I already thought it was strange that he was lurking so hard and his reasoning behind his voting was not much. This is just so strange to say imo. This would be a somewhat safe way to say that he is town because Veriat DID in fact flip scum but what if he wouldn't have? We will never know which is why I feel this post is just so unnecessary. Aces, I'm leaning town on you but not because of your play. Step up and contribute! WhySoMuch - Orginally you were town for me. But I share the concerns of Golden against you. I am also a bit puzzled by your night play also feel. Sure you added some cool points, but why not do it later? This would ensure that scum had no time to switch their votes if you really were that afraid of getting killed. On April 29 2012 08:50 WhySoMuch wrote: I think I'm going to get all my thoughts out there during this night period because I believe I am a likely target for tonight's kill. Hence my posting. The Mafia isn't stupid and they know who they should kill, posting isn't really gonna give them any clues on who to kill. Obviously you could also try to level with them if you are not a power role to draw the kill as well. If you choose not to post I don't think it's a bad thing, but I think we can use tonight to get a jump on tomorrow I also don't like this post. Feels like you are baiting medics/jailers here. Jailbreaker - Not posting much that can be usefull as of yet. And he just added this post: On April 30 2012 16:13 Jailbreaker wrote: Mordanis - + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2012 11:53 Mordanis wrote: Frankly, I was simply reluctant to change my 3 times in about an hour. In reality, I was more for a lynch for either player than I was for a lynch of specifically one of them. At that point, Aces hadn't posted in about a day, so without knowing any justification for why he was lurking, he was a good candidate for a lynch even if there was a low probability of his being mafia just because he wasn't any help for the town. Hell, I'm still for lynching lurkers even if there is a low probability of them turning out scum because we need to work together. Lurking only hurts us. Also, if you look at the earlier parts of the thread, I was one of the first to put pressure on Veriat, which I don't see mafia doing. After that little bit of defense, I'm very glad to have suspicion cast upon me. We need to have everyone defending themselves and looking at other players behavior. I'd like to think that I'm one of the least scummy posters, but I have no problems. I'll be able to post a bit more in a little bit, so bye for a few minutes :D All I get is a scum vibe from you on this post. But i feel like i don't have enough info on you to make a significant case against you. Seeing how I take individual posts instead of looking at the context of the posts. will post more when i have a goodnight sleep Which only increases my suspicion of him. If you check his filter you can also spot of mass escuses on why he is posting so "scummy" things. His play with yomi/Verait also is pointing towards him being scum but people have already talked about that enough, which is why I don't include it in this post. Overall this is my strongest scumread atm. I am too lazy to complete the list as I havn't really got very strong reads of Mordanis, Splinter[eP], nreekay324 and golden(don't think I missed anyone, did I?). Will update this post later on with my read on theese guys! | ||
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Pure-SC2
United Kingdom1440 Posts
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The_Zen_Man
Sweden202 Posts
Secondly, i do share your opinion on WhySoMuch. I have been suspicious of him from the start, and his latest games has not helped him. Below i will make my case against him. On April 27 2012 10:40 WhySoMuch wrote: Someone already pointed this out and I've already stated my position but I'd like to take it a step further, I find this post very wolfy, more so than Varient or however you spell his name who said the same thing essentially, because you aren't thinking deeper. You say in the other game they mislynched on the first day because they didn't have enough information, but how do we expect to gain information if we "No Lynch"? Day 2 will essentially be a repeat of day 1. Also, Voting early and often leads to profit, ##VOTE: The_Zen_Man hope i did that right This is what WhySoMuch posted when he voted for me the first time. He says that he found my post very "Wolfy", but pays almost no attention to Veriat, with the explanation that i am not thinking deep enough. To show you how much "deeper" Veriat post was, here it is On April 26 2012 22:55 Veriat wrote: Hello Everybody! I love the theme and i'm very excited to get this show on the road! Like many here this is my first game so i'm looking forward to a good time with you fine lads (and lasses) As Pure-SC2 said, i share his opinion on the "no lynch" vote since this is a game full of newbies like myself, and there isn't all that information up in the air the first day, which we can use to base good lynches on. With that said, Game on and let's get the discussion going!  My post before might not have been the deepest post, but this is not much better. I think that the "deeper" part was just an excuse to push away attention from his scum buddy and towards me. On April 27 2012 19:28 WhySoMuch wrote: This whole post just seems off to me. Like you think this is what a townie would say But a few things: 1st underline: we gain information by lynching someone, it's not an "if", I am 100% sure we gain knowledge by lynching anyone today. And if your a townie you should realize this, as of yet no one has implied we don't gain knowledge by lynching someone except you. 2nd underline: We don't ever lynch someone just cause, that just doesn't happen. We lay out our views and decide who seems most likely to be a mafia and we vote them. [/QUOTE] The part about this post that seemed strange to me is " And if your a townie you should realize this". Im not sure how being a mafia or town matters if a have some information. Then, after having posted with about 5 post saying how i am "Wolf", he unvotes me but says that he still haves me as scum. Maybe he realized that no one took his suspicioins against me seriously and decided to give up, but still have me as a possible scum if he needed one. On April 28 2012 09:35 WhySoMuch wrote: Town: Splinter LazerMonkey Mordanis Mafia: The_Zen_Man Nreekay He then proceds to vote for me anyway, with not much more explanation than this. Mordanis posted a case against Veriat just a few post before this one. Maybe he tried to direct attention towards me instead of his scum buddy. Veriat then also votes for me, probably to try a bandwagon on me. On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote: Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum: The_Zen_Man nreekay324 Jailbreaker The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote. nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him? Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts. This post was really not saying much about anything, but there is something interesting here. He writes that "On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?". This might be Veriat trying to back up his scum buddy, and take away suspicions from people. On April 29 2012 03:56 WhySoMuch wrote: It's the same game, Y'all call it Mafia, We call it Werewolf. It's the same principal and I'm really confused why people are so caught up on it. This is newb game for people that have played 3 or less games ON THIS SITE. That is why I signed up for it, to get a feel for THIS SITE. So many things are different, such as requiring a Majority to lynch someone, that I think it was best to play a game like this before trying out the non-newb games. I have played over 100 games on the other forum using wolve/villager lingo, so to answer your question about 100 games to get it ingrained. I am making an effort, every time you see the word Mafia or Town most likely I had to go back and erase wolf/villager. However sometimes I forget. I didn't ask how to quote posts, I asked how to quote multiple posts, because on the other site, I can click a button and it will multi-quote for me. THis forum did not have it, and I was wondering what people usually do instead. As for the "All" button I probably should have figured that out, but again, on the other forum there is an option to change posts per page from 25 to 100. I have explained my vote a gazillion times already. Just because I vote you again doesn't mean I have to have different reasons than before. I am confused though, because Veriant looks extremely bad right now. Like all his reads are justs sponges and he has no original thought, so I'm pretty sure he's a wolf. Which means you likely aren't a wolf. ##vote: Veriat This is also very interesting. This is what WhySoMuch posted after i put up a possible Veriat and WhySoMuch connection. I think that he saw the only way out of it was too vote his scum buddy veriat, that way when Veriat flips Mafia he would be shown as a good townie. After that he switches votes two times, back to Veriat again. This was maybe because he tried to save his scum buddy in one last effort. But when he realized it wasn't going to happen he changed again, so that he might look like a good townie. He then haves a unusually lot of activity during the night. He explains this with that he is probably the Mafia target, but i don't get that. There were plenty of people(me including) that played a part in Veriat being lynched. He also makes this post: On April 29 2012 09:12 WhySoMuch wrote: Just gonna do some spew analysis first. This is about the only post of use that he wrote. The_Zen_Man is pretty much clear forever, he made a case on Veriat when he could have chosen a lot of other people and Veriat then goes and makes him his #1 wolf read and later makes a case on him. You just don't see this being mafia/mafia with newer mafia nreekay I think is also spewed cleared here as well i think. If your gonna put a mafia in your mafia reads, it's not gonna be like this with qualifiers and extra useless info in my opinion. However JailBreaker, this is exactly how a newer mafia would do it, he just throws his name out there with some lame, non existent reasoning. I am moving Jailbreaker to the mafia side for this alone. He writes that i am pretty much clear forever, which might be to remove any suspicions i might have. I think everyone knows that i am a town, as my case on Veriat turned a few players around. You are just stating the obvious, and trying to look better in my eyes. WhySoMuch then proceds to try and start a case against golden, with still little to no basis for this at all. WhySoMuch is looking very suspicious to me, and i would like to hear the other players thoughts. | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
On April 30 2012 16:13 Jailbreaker wrote: I'm kinda bummed that yomi was a townie. Seriously thought he was mafia D: Since I voted to horribly wrong, I'm going to delay my vote until it is closer to the deadline. WhySoMuch - so honored to be a suspect on your list. You're right, i have been commentating to much on everyone's posts. i didn't vote veriat because it seemed like a bandwagon case to me. Mordanis - + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2012 11:53 Mordanis wrote: Frankly, I was simply reluctant to change my 3 times in about an hour. In reality, I was more for a lynch for either player than I was for a lynch of specifically one of them. At that point, Aces hadn't posted in about a day, so without knowing any justification for why he was lurking, he was a good candidate for a lynch even if there was a low probability of his being mafia just because he wasn't any help for the town. Hell, I'm still for lynching lurkers even if there is a low probability of them turning out scum because we need to work together. Lurking only hurts us. Also, if you look at the earlier parts of the thread, I was one of the first to put pressure on Veriat, which I don't see mafia doing. After that little bit of defense, I'm very glad to have suspicion cast upon me. We need to have everyone defending themselves and looking at other players behavior. I'd like to think that I'm one of the least scummy posters, but I have no problems. I'll be able to post a bit more in a little bit, so bye for a few minutes :D All I get is a scum vibe from you on this post. But i feel like i don't have enough info on you to make a significant case against you. Seeing how I take individual posts instead of looking at the context of the posts. will post more when i have a goodnight sleep Could you explain why you get this vibe rather than just saying "I'm getting a vibe"? Its sort of hard for me to convince you that I'm not mafia if I have no idea how you got the idea other than an incredibly vague statement that a post of mine seems scummy. @ Golden When I was trying to secure a first day lynch, I wrote that we should all tell everyone whom we'd be willing to vote for, in order to maximize the probability of a lynch. I then went on to say that mafia would either be forced to say that they aren't willing to vote for one of their own or risk having a lynch kill one of their buddies the first day. Your behavior was exactly what I would have expected from mafia, and the only reason I haven't voted for you yet is because it was too typical. You posted a confusing jumble that seemed to say that you would vote for Veriat only if people could prove he wasn't scummier than Aces, but that you thought there was a good likelihood that he was mafia. This seems like the safest route of play to mafia to me. By saying that you think someone "may" be scum, but that you'd rather lynch someone else, you potentially gain 1) the ability to say you were right when it turns out that Veriat was mafia, and 2) a chance to save your scum buddy. Had Veriat been only a lurker, but still town, your play would only have been confusing. But in light of Veriat being mafia, your behavior just prior to the lynch seems very suspicious. I'd like to hear some kind of explanation of your reasoning, if you'd be so kind. | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
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O.Golden_ne
Australia204 Posts
On May 01 2012 00:21 Mordanis wrote: @ Golden When I was trying to secure a first day lynch, I wrote that we should all tell everyone whom we'd be willing to vote for, in order to maximize the probability of a lynch. I then went on to say that mafia would either be forced to say that they aren't willing to vote for one of their own or risk having a lynch kill one of their buddies the first day. Your behavior was exactly what I would have expected from mafia, and the only reason I haven't voted for you yet is because it was too typical. You posted a confusing jumble that seemed to say that you would vote for Veriat only if people could prove he wasn't scummier than Aces, but that you thought there was a good likelihood that he was mafia. This seems like the safest route of play to mafia to me. By saying that you think someone "may" be scum, but that you'd rather lynch someone else, you potentially gain 1) the ability to say you were right when it turns out that Veriat was mafia, and 2) a chance to save your scum buddy. Had Veriat been only a lurker, but still town, your play would only have been confusing. But in light of Veriat being mafia, your behavior just prior to the lynch seems very suspicious. I'd like to hear some kind of explanation of your reasoning, if you'd be so kind. See my filter. Sorry, i'm not going to answer it until you see that you're a little behind WhySoMuch on this one. He's already raised that point. Please do your reading. I'll copy and paste for you, then get to answering it. On April 29 2012 07:07 O.Golden_ne wrote: @WhySoMuch. You seem to be confusing reserved play as defensive play. Since we have started i have maintained an outlook preferring to take in the whole picture and analyse play before making any judgment. I think my play is an asset to the town as it can be easy to slip into the habit of following the play in real time and perhaps missing key points. I classify this as a more reserved style than defensive. To justify my position on a delayed vote switch to Veriat: since the beginning i have been pro-D1-lynch, it has been established that it is important in uncovering motives and gets the ball rolling in regards to seeing allegiances within the group. I did quite a bit of analysis on the players Nreekay324 and AcesAnoka finding them to be scummy, with my reserved playstyle i found that changing to a last minute change to Veriat was something i had to consider. I had to weigh up the benefits of the D1-lynch, and the groundwork that i had done on the previous two players. Well we got a mafia with our first lynch, that's perfect! We all have some re-reading of Day 1 to do. I welcome you coming after me WhySoMuch i have nothing to hide. Golden As for claiming i was right about Veriat, i don't think i've tried garnering any trust from anyone for the vote. I don't think the vote put me on anyones "town-list" (see WhySoMuch) AND i certainly don't think i've tried abusing anyone's trust (though under all this pressure i wonder particularly how trusted i should feel). What say i have in the voting discussion has come from my dissection of other peoples play. My vote was in line with my suspicions from day one, and given the dead-line i was facing and my Pro-D1-lynch attitude i found it fitting to lynch Veriat. Golden (shock! horror! it's not a novel!) | ||
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Mordanis
United States893 Posts
IDK if you posted before or after seeing my EBWOP, but I was just trying to eliminate most of the mistrust aimed at you, because I'm getting a pretty strong town read on you(even if it I think you made some bad decisions). If you don't mind having everyone analyze your behavior as potentially mafia, its your own fault if your novels are disregarded. :D | ||
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O.Golden_ne
Australia204 Posts
On May 01 2012 01:10 Mordanis wrote: I actually just wanted you to expand on it a little bit, which you did nicely :D IDK if you posted before or after seeing my EBWOP, but I was just trying to eliminate most of the mistrust aimed at you, because I'm getting a pretty strong town read on you(even if it I think you made some bad decisions). I didn't see the EBWOP until i was done. But either way i got what you were trying to do. It's an important part of identifying peoples positions in the game, and i was happy to oblige. I want other people to realise that being questioned, isn't necessarily implying suspicion. The suspicion (in my humble opinion) comes in the response. And on the bad decisions part, it was a tough spot. I had an hour or two with essentially the final say on a lynch as i thought i was the only one active. On May 01 2012 01:10 Mordanis wrote: If you don't mind having everyone analyze your behavior as potentially mafia, its your own fault if your novels are disregarded. :D It's a shame, i put 2 hours into the one today. I've read it several times Golden | ||
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