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Jailbreaker's filter
Jailbreaker, IDK what your planned contributions to this game are. You freely admit that your analysis is low-level/shallow, but you won't give any reason why. Do you not have the time? Are you not mentally capable? Are you afraid of getting shot? Are you afraid of getting lynched? All we know is that you had a grudge against yomi (who was killed by someone ostensibly with a grudge against him), and that you went from batshit-crazy paranoid to complete pacifist just before the vote, but you didn't change your vote from yomi. Also, you still haven't replied to any of the questions posed to you, including this one from 2 days ago.
I wrote this
WTF Jailbreaker
You've completely switched your stance from
Oh, the Drama! We're stuck on a spaceship with close quarters.
Lazermonkey - Day one is the most important day to analyze. Even though it is a noob game, work needs to be done.
Pure-SC2 - The no lynch is a terrible idea. Misslynch is collateral damage. It happens.
I'm not playing the hate mafia squad, I dont want to get thrown out the air lock on the first day.
and
with all this nonsense talk about scheduals and lynch/no lynch, we're forgetting about the real issue here:
THERE'S MAFIA SCUM AMONG US.
I know it is day one, but does it have to be so passive? I don't want to vote for the wrong person based on three posts
and then making one of the first votes based on just a few hours of posts, now you are saying this
You switch to being against "bandwaggoning"? At this point, we need a full majority of 7 players to lynch. If you are against no-lynch, then you need to vote for one fo the 2 players whom most people are voting to lynch. It's fairly simple logic, so I'd ask you to either A) vote for someone who has a realistic chance of being elected lynched, or B) come out and tell us that you are against a lynch today. We have 3 hours and 45 minutes left, it's time to get ourselves organized. Hell, it's past time to get ourselves organized.
In response to this: nonononononono water you guys doin? you planet all wrong.
Can't you see that other players are trying to rush people into a decision so fast??
Just because we dun have a majority vote, doesn't mean we should rush.
Even though I voted for Yomi so fast in the game, i didn't rush. Just like what golden says, stay clam and dont panic.
I know its fail logic right here, no apollo-gies here on my part.
Mordanis says:
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Sounds a bit to me like a rushing/get-on-the-band-wagon
On April 29 2012 00:25 Lazermonkey wrote:
Noone is posting atm really. AcecAnoka havn't been posting in about a day, which could very well be due to IRL stuffs. But he is still my prime suspect.
##Vote: AcecAnoka
This vote may very well change tho, depending on the events in the evening!
Why are you voting for him? plz give a real reason.
I also feel like O.Golden_ne has the most influence over the votes with your "in depth analysis" and a galactic wall of texts.
On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote:
Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum:
The_Zen_Man
nreekay324
Jailbreaker
The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote.
nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?
Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts.
Sounds more like regurgitation of O.Golden_ne's posts.
From what AcecAnoka has posted, I feel like we dont have enough info to point fingers at him. get off the bandwagon and look at other players posts just in general
And you never replied. All that post can really be construed as is incredibly low-level thought, or as an attempt to stall and disorganize the effort to lynch. IDK why a townie would try to stall a lynch though... Anyways, you have some explaining to do.
@Golden, see? I just wanted to be slightly more unified before casting serious suspicion around.
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Greetings again,
D2, here we go;
Veriat flipping red.
+ Show Spoiler +This is awesome for us, because not only did we already get one mafia, he was a roleblocker. I don’t know how many roles mafia get, but that was definitely a plus. Info from votes to who voted for him, there was; Veriat: (7): yomi, The_Zen_Man, WhySoMuch, Pure-SC2, Splinter[eP], Mordanis, O.Golden_ne. Important details include that veriat got the minimum 7/7 votes, and that the swing vote was a vote change golden made from aces to veriat. It seems unreasonable that golden was swing vote to knock veriat off just to gain town cred, as it’s not statistically favorable for mafia on a D1 lynch. For now, you have my town read Golden + Show Spoiler + I can’t see mafia offing one of their own for street cred on a minimum vote, but it’s notable it’s a possibility Looking at Veriat’s filter there’s not much to go off of. He has scum reads on thezenman, me, and jailbreaker. However, he makes no case against them, or (for zenman) a really weak case. In itself, there's so little posted it's hard to make anything of it.
yomi flipping green.
+ Show Spoiler +Personally, I had him pegged as mafia, and I have re-evaluations to do. It’s confusing as to why the mafia chose yomi, he was a lurker, albeit with either good luck or gosu senses on veriat. However, it does give us something interesting, as one person did vote for him...
Jailbreaker
+ Show Spoiler +1) Only vote on yomi, and yomi was shot night cycle. 2) Posts don’t seem to have a lot of content, there’s a lot of summary and weak accusations/ questioning. 3) This quote in particular; On April 29 2012 04:09 Jailbreaker wrote:
nonononononono water you guys doin? you planet all wrong.
Can't you see that other players are trying to rush people into a decision so fast??
Just because we dun have a majority vote, doesn't mean we should rush.
Even though I voted for Yomi so fast in the game, i didn't rush. Just like what golden says, stay clam and dont panic.
I know its fail logic right here, no apollo-gies here on my part.
This was a decent amount of time before the lynch-veriat train really started rolling, jailbreaker tries to advocate against it. He doesn’t provide any case in favor of Veriat however, and just side-steps the issue. 4) And then this, On April 30 2012 16:13 Jailbreaker wrote:
Since I voted to horribly wrong, I'm going to delay my vote until it is closer to the deadline.
It’s like jailbreaker wants to let other people make cases for him, so that he can choose the safest one to vote for and thus remain safe. 4) Was on Veriat’s “scum” list. I”ll defer to whysomuch for this; + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 09:12 WhySoMuch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote:
Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum:
The_Zen_Man
nreekay324
Jailbreaker
The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote.
nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?
Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts.
However JailBreaker, this is exactly how a newer mafia would do it, he just throws his name out there with some lame, non existent reasoning. I am moving Jailbreaker to the mafia side for this alone.
@Pure SC2-
+ Show Spoiler +On April 30 2012 06:46 Pure-SC2 wrote:
nreekay324 - His filter reads suspicious to me. I see a vote for WhySoMuch, followed by an unbolded unvote. He then leaves it at that. He makes no comment against the most suspicious person in the game so far, who was proven to be mafia. So he votes for WhySoMuch, and has FoS against Golden, Me, Yomi and The_Zen_Man (incidently all of which voted for Veriat). Very suspicious.
I should clarify, I hadn’t intended to neither leave it at whysomuch nor unvoted, but I was unable to return to the deadline. (I’ll look at whysomuch again later in this post). Apparently my unvote wasn’t registered so I didn’t get targeted by nova(looks like aces didnt get modkilled either, so I would have been okay anyway?) When I did find time to check up, it was in the night cycle and it seemed fruitless to post anything then. In regards to what you said, I’ll point out that in one of my posts I state that my FoS ; you and golden were related to yomi, as in if yomi was mafia then I would pursue you two. As he isn’t, the point is moot. Also, if you looked carefully, I made those FoS before yomi even voted for veriat. To this; On April 30 2012 17:58 Pure-SC2 wrote:
Why was yomi killed?
Mafia hit people for a reason. What was the reason behind yomi getting whacked? Well in the course of day 1, other than getting annoyed by WhySoMuch, he had genuine suspicions of two people, Veriat and nreekay324.
We know one of them was scum, and nreekay324 is my strongest scum read (refer to my night post just before the deadline). If you were the two remaining mafia, and you had seem yomi lead the lynch on one of your scum buddies, and he had found you suspicious, wouldn't that make him a good target?
Interesting points related to the hit on yomi:
- After the first day post, nreekay324 states "looks like my suspicions about yomi may have been wrong though..." - this is interesting in that if nreekay324 knows yomi is about to die and flip town it's a good way to clear himself from his earlier stated suspicions of yomi.
- People who found yomi suspicious: Jailbreaker, AcesAnoka, nreekay324
I said that because yomi voted for veriat in the very beginning. I thought it was unlikely yomi would have voted veriat in the beginning, because why choose a scum buddy when there were other lurkers to vote? Yomi was highly suspicious, and deserved this suspicion. He was lurking, HARD, and throwing out ##votes for other people to analyze. He could have easily been switching between townies, trying to confuse the town conversation. I’ve been thinking of why they would shoot yomi (I have an idea, as described later), but I don’t know what to say about it “clearing” me. I can deny it, saying that it’d be foolish because it doesn’t clear me, it really incriminates me (I have nothing original now that yomi is green), but then we’ll start throwing WIFOM around and we’ll get nowhere. If you think it’s enough to vote for me, well there’s that.
@Golden-
+ Show Spoiler +Your first half analysis of whysomuch was rolling towards #FOSwhysomuch, but you conclude that he’s more likely an overly aggressive towny in your opinion. Is this because he voted for you/ is suspicious of you? It seems you’re trying to discredit him and his earlier posts, and as such his suspicions of you. I have my own opinions, but I was wondering if this was the point you were making.
In regards to my case against yomi, I don’t know what you mean by squirmy. But I would find it agreeable to say that when yomi flipped green, my case got shit on. There’s another post later, where I state that you and puresc2’s suspicions were really based on my suspicions of yomi being mafia, and since he wasn’t I no longer have suspicions against you two in regards to that.
Re-evaluations
@puresc2, golden -no more suspicions
whysomuch
+ Show Spoiler +This jumps out at me. Why bring this up, right after the mafia lynch? This may be what golden was referring to as “the champion” of veriat’s lynch. + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2012 08:15 WhySoMuch wrote:
Well this game just became a lot more simple.
The_Zen_Man
Splinter
Pure_SC
Mordanis
Myself
Look the best for their voting yesterday
Also, he made a case against veriat and helped push his lynch. But quick-scum/town lists based on one or two ideas is messy. It’s more beneficial to take time looking at specifics and make cases (unless you’re mentioning something in a sort of passing way that you don’t want to forget), and then organize that info into lists of scum/town. It’s very confusing play,maybe just scummy town play.
thezenman
+ Show Spoiler +I’m removing my suspicions from him now, for the case he made against Veriat. Its decent enough, and I don’t see any reason he would have, as mafia, to make such an extended case against Veriat, which contributed to the bandwagon to get veriat lynched.
Acesanoka
+ Show Spoiler +A number of arguments have been made, and not much to add to them because he hasn’t been posting much. He, like other lurkers, should be pressured D2. What got the successful D1 lynch was from pressuring lurkers (yomi called out veriat for this very reason). We need to keep this up.
@Blue role players
+ Show Spoiler +It’d be detrimental to name players, so to “all blue roles”. As I was reviewing yomi’s filter, something popped out to me; On April 29 2012 08:14 yomi wrote:
Night time is generally not a great time to post. Let the blue players do what they want and don't give mafia any hints on who they should kill. This is only a thought, but the mafia may have been hoping for a lucky blue snipe. It makes sense, because yomi was semi-lurking (blue roles tend to play more cautiously to protect the blue role). It’s not concrete, but it’s a possibility. We’re already ahead of the mafia, so we don’t need blues to do anything reckless (i.e. claim)
##vote: AcesAnoka
##FOS: Jailbreaker
I'll do my best to check this/ stay active more. I understand we need to push the lead we have on the mafia.
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On April 30 2012 20:57 The_Zen_Man wrote:First of all, lazermonkey, i want to say that i am not with you on the Nova part in your post. I don't trust him, he is always posting these weird post about people dying and stuff, could be a scum move (lol) Secondly, i do share your opinion on WhySoMuch. I have been suspicious of him from the start, and his latest games has not helped him. Below i will make my case against him. Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 10:40 WhySoMuch wrote:On April 26 2012 22:51 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Hey guys!
This is my first game of maifa, but i have been following other games a bit. I also think that the "no lynch" option could prove useful early in the game to avoid misslynch. The other game i was following misslynched on the first day simply because they didn't have enough information.
Someone already pointed this out and I've already stated my position but I'd like to take it a step further, I find this post very wolfy, more so than Varient or however you spell his name who said the same thing essentially, because you aren't thinking deeper. You say in the other game they mislynched on the first day because they didn't have enough information, but how do we expect to gain information if we "No Lynch"? Day 2 will essentially be a repeat of day 1. Also, Voting early and often leads to profit, ##VOTE: The_Zen_Manhope i did that right This is what WhySoMuch posted when he voted for me the first time. He says that he found my post very "Wolfy", but pays almost no attention to Veriat, with the explanation that i am not thinking deep enough. To show you how much "deeper" Veriat post was, here it is Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 22:55 Veriat wrote:Hello Everybody! I love the theme and i'm very excited to get this show on the road! Like many here this is my first game so i'm looking forward to a good time with you fine lads (and lasses) As Pure-SC2 said, i share his opinion on the "no lynch" vote since this is a game full of newbies like myself, and there isn't all that information up in the air the first day, which we can use to base good lynches on. With that said, Game on and let's get the discussion going!  My post before might not have been the deepest post, but this is not much better. I think that the "deeper" part was just an excuse to push away attention from his scum buddy and towards me. This whole post just seems off to me. Like you think this is what a townie would say But a few things: 1st underline: we gain information by lynching someone, it's not an "if", I am 100% sure we gain knowledge by lynching anyone today. And if your a townie you should realize this, as of yet no one has implied we don't gain knowledge by lynching someone except you. 2nd underline: We don't ever lynch someone just cause, that just doesn't happen. We lay out our views and decide who seems most likely to be a mafia and we vote them.
The part about this post that seemed strange to me is " And if your a townie you should realize this". Im not sure how being a mafia or town matters if a have some information.
Then, after having posted with about 5 post saying how i am "Wolf", he unvotes me but says that he still haves me as scum. Maybe he realized that no one took his suspicioins against me seriously and decided to give up, but still have me as a possible scum if he needed one.
On April 28 2012 09:35 WhySoMuch wrote:
Town:
Splinter
LazerMonkey
Mordanis
Mafia:
The_Zen_Man
Nreekay
He then proceds to vote for me anyway, with not much more explanation than this. Mordanis posted a case against Veriat just a few post before this one. Maybe he tried to direct attention towards me instead of his scum buddy. Veriat then also votes for me, probably to try a bandwagon on me.
On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote:
Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum:
The_Zen_Man
nreekay324
Jailbreaker
The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote.
nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?
Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts.
This post was really not saying much about anything, but there is something interesting here. He writes that "On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?". This might be Veriat trying to back up his scum buddy, and take away suspicions from people.
On April 29 2012 03:56 WhySoMuch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 18:29 Pure-SC2 wrote:
I'm getting an off read on WhySoMuch, I don't really understand it so just going to post my thoughts in case someone else can make something out of it.
So we're playing a newbie game here, for people who've played 3 or less games. yet here he is so ingrained in his Wolves/Villages thing that he can't even proof read his posts to change it to reflect the fact we're playing Mafia here, on the TL mafia forums, in which everyone else is referencing mafia/scum and townies? How many games do you have to have played to get it that ingrained in your head? And after its been mentioned by a few people, why wouldn't he make any effort to do something about it?
Yet his posts seem well thought out and carefully worded.
He goes on and asks the most basic fundamental questions that can be answered by using the tiniest bit of logical thought (how to quote posts and view more posts on a page), which doesn't line up with the fact that his posts seem to be well thought out and logical.
I don't trust him. It's like he's playing this naive, simpleton role here so that he won't come under suspicion. It's the same game, Y'all call it Mafia, We call it Werewolf. It's the same principal and I'm really confused why people are so caught up on it. This is newb game for people that have played 3 or less games ON THIS SITE. That is why I signed up for it, to get a feel for THIS SITE. So many things are different, such as requiring a Majority to lynch someone, that I think it was best to play a game like this before trying out the non-newb games. I have played over 100 games on the other forum using wolve/villager lingo, so to answer your question about 100 games to get it ingrained. I am making an effort, every time you see the word Mafia or Town most likely I had to go back and erase wolf/villager. However sometimes I forget. I didn't ask how to quote posts, I asked how to quote multiple posts, because on the other site, I can click a button and it will multi-quote for me. THis forum did not have it, and I was wondering what people usually do instead. As for the "All" button I probably should have figured that out, but again, on the other forum there is an option to change posts per page from 25 to 100. Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 18:52 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Yes, but on the other hand, that might be the point. Veriat might have written that so that people would stop suspecting him. But this is all theories. He was lurking for quite a while, and when people start suspecting him he suddenly shows up with some accusations. I find that very suspicious. For these reason, im going to vote for him.
##vote: Veriat
Also Veriat, as Pure-SC2 said, please tell me what about me is "fishy".
Whysomuch, could you give me a explanation to your vote? I have explained my vote a gazillion times already. Just because I vote you again doesn't mean I have to have different reasons than before. I am confused though, because Veriant looks extremely bad right now. Like all his reads are justs sponges and he has no original thought, so I'm pretty sure he's a wolf. Which means you likely aren't a wolf. ##vote: Veriat
This is also very interesting. This is what WhySoMuch posted after i put up a possible Veriat and WhySoMuch connection. I think that he saw the only way out of it was too vote his scum buddy veriat, that way when Veriat flips Mafia he would be shown as a good townie.
After that he switches votes two times, back to Veriat again. This was maybe because he tried to save his scum buddy in one last effort. But when he realized it wasn't going to happen he changed again, so that he might look like a good townie.
He then haves a unusually lot of activity during the night. He explains this with that he is probably the Mafia target, but i don't get that. There were plenty of people(me including) that played a part in Veriat being lynched. He also makes this post:
On April 29 2012 09:12 WhySoMuch wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2012 18:26 Veriat wrote:
Ok here are my thoughts on who are the scum:
The_Zen_Man
nreekay324
Jailbreaker
The_Zen_Man You're stance on the "lynch no lynch" discussion has left me a little puzzled, and your overall playstyle seem fishy to me, so you're getting my vote.
nreekay324 All your posts just seem off and scummy. Many of them seem rushed or flawed, and you basically just jumped the bandwagon with your early vote on Why_So_Much. On a side note i did find Why_So_Much's playstyle kind of off, but i don't think he's scum, because then why would you vote for him?
Jailbreaker You've my number 3 due to consistent flaws in your previous posts.
Just gonna do some spew analysis first. This is about the only post of use that he wrote. The_Zen_Man is pretty much clear forever, he made a case on Veriat when he could have chosen a lot of other people and Veriat then goes and makes him his #1 wolf read and later makes a case on him. You just don't see this being mafia/mafia with newer mafia nreekay I think is also spewed cleared here as well i think. If your gonna put a mafia in your mafia reads, it's not gonna be like this with qualifiers and extra useless info in my opinion. However JailBreaker, this is exactly how a newer mafia would do it, he just throws his name out there with some lame, non existent reasoning. I am moving Jailbreaker to the mafia side for this alone.
He writes that i am pretty much clear forever, which might be to remove any suspicions i might have. I think everyone knows that i am a town, as my case on Veriat turned a few players around. You are just stating the obvious, and trying to look better in my eyes.
WhySoMuch then proceds to try and start a case against golden, with still little to no basis for this at all.
WhySoMuch is looking very suspicious to me, and i would like to hear the other players thoughts.[/QUOTE]
1) The reason I called you out and not Veriat was already stated (atleast I think) in the thread. You automatically registered that the only reason a town was lynched d1 in the other game was "Simply because they didn't have enough information". This is showing poor thought process, because there could be a number of things of why a town was lynched. That was why you got pressure and he didn't
2) Just because you saw a "connection" between us, doesn't mean I'm gonna act on it in either role. I did not care you saw a "connection", It had no affect on my actions. Why would 1 poster who I had suspicion on affect my actions? That doesn't make sense
3) When I voted unvoted and voted again, no one was certain who would be lynched. If I had kept my vote on Aces the vote would have been 5-3 Aces and a likely Aces lynch or No lynch. So saying that I was forced to switch once I knew Veriat was lynched does not describe my vote (it describes Golden's).
4) I had no idea you would be pressuring me, so I would have no reason to put you at the top of my Town list to "get you not to suspect me". Once again your not looking at the time frame of posts. I don't care how to view me, and I'm not trying t o look better in your eyes by having you as my #1 town
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Balls I should have spoilered that
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nreekay, why are you voting for Aces for lurking? Splinter has been lurking at least as hard, and neither have had too much content they've put out.
@Aces @Splinter:
Post more. We've already lynched for lurking, and I for one would rather avoid doing so again if we can avoid it. That being said, I still stand by my earlier arguments that lynching lurkers is better than no lynch because lurkers only hurt the town. Don't put us in that position.
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I will post more, I'm just busy at work atm. When I get home tonight I'll dump my thoughts and analysis, sorry for the lurking.
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AcesAnoka will be replaced/modkilled in the near future, depending on if I can find a replacement.
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I am strongly against a Splinter lynch
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Can I take Ace's spot, and keep my own?[/joke]
I'm also against lynching Splinter as long as he is able to contribute when he has the time. I can't say that I love the idea of having all of one person's content in 1 post, but as long as Splinter helps, I currently don't see him as being mafia, so I don't see any reason to lynch him. Anyways, plenty of suspicion has been leveled at Jailbreaker, and he is so far responding in the same way as Veriat, by lurking and only posting vague, shallow analysis. I'm going to be going to work in a few hours, and if Jailbreaker hasn't defended himself at all, I will likely vote for him, in hopes that if we start voting early we won't have a gigantic rush at the end of the cycle like last time.
Jailbreaker, if you do respond, why do you seem to be proud of your admittedly shallow analysis (twice you said you wouldn't apologize for it). What is this supposed to do to help the town? I really don't understand what you're doing, and its coming off as very suspicious.
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AcesAnoka has been replaced with Marvellosity. Though he has already played 5 games, I'd rather have him in the game then force a modkill.
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On May 01 2012 06:31 Mordanis wrote:
Can I take Ace's spot, and keep my own?[/joke]
Damn you! I thought you were someone who wanted to replace for a sec D: Edit: Replacement found
In case you are using reverse psychology,
No, anyone who is in the game, has access to help PMs, or has the link to Obs QT is not allowed to replace unless specially determined by Artanis..
Welcome Marvellosity, and thanks for replacing Aces!
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Hi guys! Although I have played 5 games, I'm amassing a solid reputation for lynching townies as town (not good).
I've vaguely looked at the thread before, but I'm going to have to have a serious readthrough and come back to you.
Two things: the lynch on Veriat was obviously a good result, and made more interesting by the fact it was barely achieved. What I have noticed from my glancethrough is that some of you are reading more into the votes than you should be. Newbie games are absolutely notorious for connection play. Anyway, I will draw my own conclusions from the vote and get back to you.
Second of all, I am not AcesAnoka. You may think his posting is terrible as hell or that he was scummy and lurky or whatever, but please approach my posting with an open mind. If you're gonna call me scum, call me scum because of what I've done.
That will do for now.
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Good to hear from you nreekay324. Splinter, you need to provide us with some original analysis.
Marvellosity - welcome to the game. We're going to need you to go through everything as much as possible and give us your reads. I appreciate it's hard coming in late like this, and AcesAnoka has done you no favours in the things he has posted.
The_Zen_Man - I have 100% town certainty on you. I liked your case, and there is definitely some merit there, but there are also a few areas that do point WhySoMuch as town. I have a very mixed read on him and regardless of what his actual alignment is, I don't trust him or his posting style at all.
I'm going to go through the Jailbreaker files in more detail as I've had a scum read on him since very early on.
On top of that, it's really over to Splinter and Marvellosity to contribute.
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Even if he doesn't contribute, we aren't lynching him today or tomorrow, or prolly even the next day.
I don't know everyone's obsession with getting rid of "lurkers", yes it's fine d1 but after that, if people clear themselves then they shouldn't be lynched even if they aren't big contributors. I'm not encouraging to stop posting because he seems like a really good town to have, but if he can't cause of irl or whatever, we still aren't lynching him.
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WhySoMuch - you don't speak for the town. So far at least 3 people have found your actions suspicious, so if you really are town you need to start thinking a bit more about how you're playing and what you're actually doing to help the town.
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*That's talking about splinter
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... Then the mafia would only have to lurk, and the active posters would kill themselves off while the scum kill off another one each night. Just two iterations of this, and its down to 4 town and 2 mafia. To be clear, I'm not going to say that we should automatically lynch whoever posts the least, but if we have to decide between lynching a lurker or someone who contributes, I'll go with the lurker. If the person we lynch is mafia, we did well either way. But if we mislynch, I'd much rather lose a townie who contributes little than a townie who contributes a lot.
Also, Hi Marvellosity! gl catching up with everything, hope you post some new insight!
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That post is in response to WhySoMuch wondering why some people want to lynch lurkers.
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Alright, I've had a read of some of the thread. Next step will be the filters ^^
I'm glad people have generally grasped that someone voting for Veriat didn't make them town necessarily. The lynch was a very interesting one as it was achieved with nothing to spare. Basically that's 2 options: scum did everything they could do prevent Veriat's lynch and failed. This would imply the people not voting Veriat are scum.
The other option is that scum (either one or both) decided to go for mucho town cred by bussing Veriat. It's impossible to say at this point. The only other thing that stood out in conjunction with this is that Veriat threw suspicion at zen (possible omgus), jailbreaker, and nreekay - the last two who were not on the Veriat wagon. My feelings on this are that scum would be unlikely to go all-out to save Veriat by not voting him AND throw suspicion on their own kind at the same time - that seems like an unnecessary risk.
At the moment, a prime scummy candidate would seem to be Jailbreaker. I will have to look at his filter to see if a case should be made, but the impression is he just posts useless crap. Whether he's a bad townie or scummyscumscum at this stage is somewhat unclear.
The second person I am most interested in is WhySoMuch. There were a couple of things that stood out at me just browsing the thread:
1) lots of vote changes. Doesn't have to be alignment indicative, but it stood out
2) The only quote from someone I actually have written down - "Town reads are more important than mafia reads". Interesting - I thought we were here to lynch scum. He expressed the same opinion AGAIN, and then listed his own town reads. Unless I am mistaken, this also happened at night. Sounds like it could be town-read fishing -> mafia kills. Lists of town reads, especially at night, are bad, mmkay? Like I said, they only give mafia targets. If you have people you think are pretty likely town - good!! You don't need to tell all of us. Do you really think that saying "blabla seems extremely townie" is going to convince anyone that person is town if they didn't think so already?
3) He called out golden very quickly saying that if Veriat was scum, golden was scum. Say whaaaaaaaat? So someone casts the deciding vote to lynch a scum and they're scum? I mean, it's possible, sure, but that's an incredible leap to make. It does point out that Whysomuch is extremely aware that scum could be bussing scum to try to gain towncred. Related to this is that he points out himself that he looks good for voting Veriat. So he looks awesomely townie for lynching the scum and golden, the guy who actually got the scum lynched, looks scummy. k.
Anyway, reading the filters is an even bigger task than reading the thread, but I will work on it diligently. There's some food for thought in the meanwhile.
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