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On April 21 2012 07:12 Snarfs wrote: Only policy lynch I will condone from the get go is the following: LAB (Lynch all Bluelightzes) I approve. | ||
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I'm mainly surprised by Mr. zentors play so far, but I do not know him well, so I'll have to read through an old town game of him to get a better feeling for his play. Also, I'll have to read through the whole discussion again to get a better idea of what's going on. And now I'm off to the woods with my daughter. | ||
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game mechanics stuff: - Hydras should sign. Everything else lowers transparency for town. - After reading all the pros and cons, I'd support a mason claim day 2. Reason: Many Vets + 2 masons = too many targets to handle for scum. D3 might be too late because of counterclaim (depends on nightkills and SK situation). On to more important stuff in no particular order: Mr. Zentor: I don't like how his "really long post" was actually not long at all, but only full of quotes. If we ignore the quotes, the post was quite short. So why announce it as long? His case on prplhz was weak, and when asked a second time why he thought that prplhz was still scummy, he never answered. His style is unnecessarily aggresive. VisceraEyes: His Filter shows 5 ingame posts, which is more than I have, but unlike me he is notorious for being very active borderline on spamming, trying to direct people and generally being helpful to town. He is completely lacking these features this game. His townread post is suspicious, I can't remember him making townlists like this in the last games? His behaviour currently reminds of the Bastard game we just were in, where he was SK. Ace: I don't like how he has basically been talking about game mechanics and shown no interest in hunting scum. However, I've read some games where he was in (last was space station) and I think this is part of his D1 play? Not entirely sure. Radfield: He would not have shown up in this list was it not for sbrubbles points. I think they are very legit, and I look forward to Radfields reaction. | ||
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Therefore, his defense is moot, as Zentor might as well have gone for a new approach in his scum play. Also notice that his first post appears an hour after game start, enough time to discuss tactics in the scum QT. So if he was scum, it might very well be that someone else brought up the idea for this start of the game. | ||
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On April 23 2012 20:45 Bluelightz wrote: its an exaggeration. Anyway, if you guys want my thoughts on VE, here it is VE is town. This is what I argue when I claim town on day 1 etc, Would scum REALLY put themselves in the spotlight like that? Uh, my impression is that he exactly tried to avoid putting himself in the spotlight. He has 5 posts, which are a town list, 2 defensive posts about himself and zentor, a heart to rad and a post about game mechanics where he also tries to find out more about Aces possible plan(s). That's not putting yourself in the spotlight. Actually, that last post seems a bit strange, now that I read it again. He has not activily participated in this discussion about game mechanics but suddenly seems interested in knowing how Ace would deal with the situation? When I look through his posts again, this one feels out of place in comparison to the others. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 00:08 VisceraEyes wrote: @Ace: I think it looks a lot like your Hypothetical Situation 2. The only issue I have with it is that we don't know if there's a cop OR medic present, where your HS2 was assuming an open setup. Wanna walk me through how your plan works if there are no medics/cops present Ace? Also, he is one of the few people who is not openly supporting a mason claim. @Radfield: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 19:22 Radfield wrote: Marvellosity, you need to step it up. More content please. Also, if you want filters do the work and make them yourself, it takes all of 5 minutes. This is the definition of a 'safe' post. Everything in this post is a popular opinion that has already been mentioned by someone else. It hits slightly on all the major points of this game, without going into detail on any of them. Zentor -> parroting Forumite and talking like Zentor is scum, yet not stating that explicitly nor voting for him. Visceraeyes -> following Toads lead(backed by me), and again indirectly talking as if Visceraeyes is scum(or SK), without actually saying it. Ace and Radfield -> again parroting others points and slinging a bit of mud towards two strong players, without actually calling them out. So phagga, what is your actual opinion here? You seem to think both Zentor and VE are scummy, yet are doing nothing about it. Additionally, I have responded to Shrubbles, what do you think of my response? My problem is that I have a hard time making out something new, something that has not been said yet. There is not much content so far (which is partially my fault), and there is a lot of game mechanics talk that does not really show anything about the alignement of players, specially as pretty much everyone involved in the discussion agrees on the general concept. What exactly do you expect? That I'm going to make stuff up only for the sake of being original? Also, You can believe me or not, but the fact that Ace was only talking about game mechanics and not trying to scum hunt crossed my mind before he was called out for this by someone else. Alas, I was too slow, so it looks like I'm parroting. I'm still a bit undecided on who to vote on, which is way I have not voted yet. I think it is going to be VisceraEyes for now, but I want to read through Zentors filter first. On April 23 2012 18:37 Radfield wrote: 1Correct. I'm not sure what you find suspicious about that. Someone making a weak case is certainly no indication of them being scum, especially when that case is made in the first half of day 1 I didn't think Zentor's case was strong, yet I also didn't see Zentor as scum. However, both of those things may change with time. 2Something about prplhz is tickling my senses, though I haven't reread the game yet. I started to last night, but was too tired to focus. So now I'm up early with the intention of putting in some time before work. Prplhz is simply a bit too quiet for my liking at any rate. 3My reasons are my own for voting VE, though they will materialize in the thread before the day is out. The short version is that I've played scum with VE lately, and so far this reminds me of that game. 1 I agree with you that it's no issue. 2 So you just fling some mud into a vets direction without any hard facts? 3So you have a good reason to vote VE, but withhold because... well, you keep us in the dark why you are not telling us. why can't you tell us? Is the explanation going to be so long, are you waiting for more info? I don't see you as scum atm. I just thought that sbrubbles actually saw two good points (the second and the third) and I wanted to point out that I share his sentiment and that I want your reaction too. | ||
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On April 23 2012 21:10 marvellosity wrote: No, you misunderstand me a little I think. I was saying in Space Station he played suspiciously/scummy on thread and he was town there. Similar could appply here. If you want to go meta: In Space Station Mafia Town-Zentor got attacked because several people misinterpreted a post of him. Although some people showed a nice lack of reading comprehension, he explained more than once how he meant and always stayed calm. Compare this to his rude style this game, and there is quite the difference. MrZentor: You accused prplhz two times, how do you feel about him now? You're vote is still on you, why did you not change your vote to him? Or is there someone else you think is scummy? | ||
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On April 23 2012 07:16 SamuelLJackson wrote: ##vote VisceraEyes --- Toad On April 23 2012 23:03 SamuelLJackson wrote: I actually don't like the VE lynch much. -sandroba I lol'ed | ||
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Yes, I still think VE is fishy, one post with some halfbaked accusations is not gonna change that. And no, I am not up for a Radfield or Ace lynch, as I think bot VE or MrZentor are better targets. Sbrubbles lurking is disappointing, but that's rather a last resort. I would like to hear something from MrZentor soon. Also, I think s&b's case on Snarf is rather stretched, I don't see any of the two as scummy currently. Bluelightz defense of VE seems strange, even for him. I know he can be superlazy, but normally he is still making sense as town somehow. Still not on the scummy side however. | ||
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On April 24 2012 04:21 marvellosity wrote: s&b's effort on Snarfs is the best I've seen so far, and due to my own failure to make good scum-reads, that will be where my vote will rest atm. ##Vote: Snarfs What exactly convinces you on s&b's post that snarf is scum? Could you please elaborate a bit? Because what you have written above is probably the cheapest bandwagoning so far in this game. | ||
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VE slowly gets better, however i don't really agree with his initial lynch targets. Marvellosity is looking worse. The fact that he is just blatantly sheeping s&b without trying to put a little effort into his vote after a day of complete apathy to scumhunting looks suspicious enough. ##Vote: marvellosity | ||
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On April 24 2012 05:32 prplhz wrote: @phagga Why are you buddying me? Especially, you complain when marvellosity voted for Snarfs because he did so on bad reasonable, but I never ever put any reasonable at all and you didn't complain about that. WTF where I have been buddying you? So because I did not realize that you made the same terrible move that he did I'm suddenly buddying you? If you think everyone is your friend who is ignoring you then you have strange concept of buddies. | ||
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I just read through your filter again, what differs from marv's filter is that you actually put some effort into the game throughout the day. You participated in discussions about how people behaved and who could be scum. Yes, the fact that you just voted snarf without reasoning is rather bad (I also did not like that Rad did it), but there is at least some substance in your filter (as is in rads) while marv has none. The last sentence was an exaggeration. I did not actively look out for you, so I do not understand how you think I was buddying you. This is why I implied that you seem to think everyone is buddying you if they ignore you. Just ignore it. | ||
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marv: 4 votes snarf: 3 votes Zentor: 2 votes the rest is 1 vote or less. I'm off to bed in about 10 mins, need to get out early again tomorrow. | ||
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On April 24 2012 06:47 Ace wrote: @phagga: I guess you didn't see Bluelightz play in DFM 2. I did see it, but forgot about it. Point taken. | ||
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##Vote MrZentor reading through some filters. | ||
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On April 25 2012 20:32 Ace wrote: As for his role claim I've thought about it and I'd say that while it's possible he is lying, someone would have counter-claimed by now unless they too are a One-shot Cop. If that's the case then they would have also used their investigation last night and after seeing Radfield claim should come out and clear another Townie (unless they are holding on to a Scum investigation which frankly makes no sense). That hasn't happened so far so I think it's safe to assume at the moment Radfield's claim holds up. If there are no other Cop claims the only thing I would believe Radfield lies about is his one-shot status. It would make a convenient SK or Scum claim but until Day 3 winds around we've just got to take him at his word for now. It would also make sense as an actual Cop to claim 1-shot status to avoid being hit by Scum but I highly doubt Radfield would lie knowing the drama it would cause. It also would be pretty dumb to risk all that just to confirm me when I was never a major suspect anyway Uh, the only one that could counterclaim IS the one-shot cop, and that's under the assumption that wbg stayed true to the C9++ setup in that aspect and picked only one one-shot cop. So it could be a gamble by scum, since there is also the possibility that there is no one-shot cop at all. For example, if scum consists of Goon and Godfather only, and there is no SK (as it seems now), than there is only one blue role, if we stay true to the C9++ setup. The chance that this blue role is a one-shot cop is rather small. This would give scum good opportunities to fake-claim. I understand that this is unlikely, but it should not be left out. | ||
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On April 25 2012 20:16 Bluelightz wrote: Sup bros, my blue mind say's that The Zentor lynch is moving too easy ( as radfield has already mentioned). For now, as a preemptive guess on who is scum it is: Snarfs, strongandbig, and a veteran player. Snarfs because: Snarfs and s&b seem to be trying to distance themselves from each other, also that, he is pushing the easy targets today, Next, I find it odd that he picked s&b out of all people to call out in his first few posts. Lastly, I see a problem with how HE scum hunts, I don't see how asking someone to explain their action's is an effective way to scum hunt, I think that it is easy for one to make one's action's look town. strongandbig because: First, because oddly he picked Snarfs to make a case on, I feel that they are trying to distance themselves from each other, next, in his first post he spent an awful amount of space for a way for people to breaccrumb stuff -.-. Lastly, he made an awful sheep vote on Zentor. Honestly I think both could be town, but I have a feeling that there's scum in them, just maybe, ##Vote: strongandbig For now. So what is it now? first you come and say they are both scum, build a case around that assumptions and in the end you say the could also both be town? Way to put pressure on them, I'm sure they are both terrified now. Or perhaps only one of them is scum, and the other is not? And you just keep us in the dark who is what? Nice way to set yourself up for some towncred if one of them flips scum. Also, I've never played scum, but building a case on early D1 and then defending that case with an equally long post on D1 just to distance yourself from your scum buddy? Hardly. | ||
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On April 25 2012 22:13 Bluelightz wrote: IMO would scum do this? Not defend and trololol? If it makes you look townie, yes. | ||
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LOL, ok, so... On April 25 2012 22:48 Bluelightz wrote: Hmm, unvoting s&B, suspecting phagga. strongandbig is town, IMO. Why the change of mind? What did you find that makes s&b town now? On April 25 2012 22:48 Bluelightz wrote: Snarfs I'm waiting for his response. ##Unvote: strongandbig Blue's journey to phagga's first 4 post's Post #1 Can't get a read of this one, simply telling that he'll read will be decided on his next post Post #2 Hmm, recycling points Random reads, did you guys notice that he just threw those reads out of nowhere? I think that he's trying to contribute random crap that means nothing to discussion, and he's even recycling some of the stuff like on his Ace points. I already discussed this in this post, as Radfield brought up the same point. On April 25 2012 22:48 Bluelightz wrote:[/B post #3 takes two lines of stuff to say that the defense is bad huh? post #4 Careful much? Those were an answer to this question. On April 25 2012 22:48 Bluelightz wrote:[/B ****** After that, I feel that he's trying to be useless with his vote: First vote, on Marvellosity who I think is town, he votes ezpz only by saying that he sheeped etc. Second, on Zentor he provides a reason: I was suspicious of him already on day 1, he refuses to bring more stuff to discussion of Zentor. ****** Yeah, I actually thought I lined out on D1 why I found him susicious. Rereading my own filter now I see this is not correct. So in short, the reasons I'm voting him:
This is from the top of my head and my notes, without rereading his filter. On April 25 2012 22:48 Bluelightz wrote: Super interesting post before I end this: On April 24 2012 06:16 phagga wrote: If I counted right these are the current vote leaders: marv: 4 votes snarf: 3 votes Zentor: 2 votes the rest is 1 vote or less. I'm off to bed in about 10 mins, need to get out early again tomorrow. Useless huzzah! First: votecount, LOL, this means nothing as y'know we can count votes too! Second: Im going to bed bro, fluff! First: There was no votecount for a long time. I intended to help. That's not the first game I've done that. Second: That was shortly before the deadline. I wanted people to know that I will be no longer around as a lot of discussion was going on at that time. Also: [B]On April 23 2012 01:01 Bluelightz wrote: Some further reasoning Policy Lynch -> Easily avoided by scum, like LaLurkers avoided by being active, or LaLiars, hmm can't explain but it just saying that it will be hard to prove that they are lying without a DT check or something. [b]I'll be sleeping now. Last read: Toad hydra is town because he has started poking at people for possible scum slips and has been active. | ||
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On April 26 2012 06:24 MrZentor wrote: Phagga- He has posted a lot of fluffy posts, and he accused me but switched to an easier lynch after it became obvious that I wasn't to be lynched I switched because I wanted to avoid a no-lynch, and people seemed unwilling to lynch you. And why was marv the easier target? On April 26 2012 06:24 MrZentor wrote: Fluffy post! + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 16:22 phagga wrote: ok, catching up. game mechanics stuff: - Hydras should sign. Everything else lowers transparency for town. - After reading all the pros and cons, I'd support a mason claim day 2. Reason: Many Vets + 2 masons = too many targets to handle for scum. D3 might be too late because of counterclaim (depends on nightkills and SK situation). On to more important stuff in no particular order: Mr. Zentor: I don't like how his "really long post" was actually not long at all, but only full of quotes. If we ignore the quotes, the post was quite short. So why announce it as long? His case on prplhz was weak, and when asked a second time why he thought that prplhz was still scummy, he never answered. His style is unnecessarily aggresive. VisceraEyes: His Filter shows 5 ingame posts, which is more than I have, but unlike me he is notorious for being very active borderline on spamming, trying to direct people and generally being helpful to town. He is completely lacking these features this game. His townread post is suspicious, I can't remember him making townlists like this in the last games? His behaviour currently reminds of the Bastard game we just were in, where he was SK. Ace: I don't like how he has basically been talking about game mechanics and shown no interest in hunting scum. However, I've read some games where he was in (last was space station) and I think this is part of his D1 play? Not entirely sure. Radfield: He would not have shown up in this list was it not for sbrubbles points. I think they are very legit, and I look forward to Radfields reaction. Again? I already answered to Radfield about that (who didn't seem to care) and to Bluelight (who didn't seem to care) and now you bring this up as well? As I wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 21:39 phagga wrote: @Radfield: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 19:22 Radfield wrote: Marvellosity, you need to step it up. More content please. Also, if you want filters do the work and make them yourself, it takes all of 5 minutes. This is the definition of a 'safe' post. Everything in this post is a popular opinion that has already been mentioned by someone else. It hits slightly on all the major points of this game, without going into detail on any of them. Zentor -> parroting Forumite and talking like Zentor is scum, yet not stating that explicitly nor voting for him. Visceraeyes -> following Toads lead(backed by me), and again indirectly talking as if Visceraeyes is scum(or SK), without actually saying it. Ace and Radfield -> again parroting others points and slinging a bit of mud towards two strong players, without actually calling them out. So phagga, what is your actual opinion here? You seem to think both Zentor and VE are scummy, yet are doing nothing about it. Additionally, I have responded to Shrubbles, what do you think of my response? My problem is that I have a hard time making out something new, something that has not been said yet. There is not much content so far (which is partially my fault), and there is a lot of game mechanics talk that does not really show anything about the alignement of players, specially as pretty much everyone involved in the discussion agrees on the general concept. What exactly do you expect? That I'm going to make stuff up only for the sake of being original? Also, You can believe me or not, but the fact that Ace was only talking about game mechanics and not trying to scum hunt crossed my mind before he was called out for this by someone else. Alas, I was too slow, so it looks like I'm parroting. I'm still a bit undecided on who to vote on, which is way I have not voted yet. I think it is going to be VisceraEyes for now, but I want to read through Zentors filter first. 1 I agree with you that it's no issue. 2 So you just fling some mud into a vets direction without any hard facts? 3So you have a good reason to vote VE, but withhold because... well, you keep us in the dark why you are not telling us. why can't you tell us? Is the explanation going to be so long, are you waiting for more info? I don't see you as scum atm. I just thought that sbrubbles actually saw two good points (the second and the third) and I wanted to point out that I share his sentiment and that I want your reaction too. On April 26 2012 06:24 MrZentor wrote: Switching to another target because I'm not getting lynched; also, I think a town would have pushed me harder to answer his question. He would also get frustrated with me. (See Prphlz) + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 05:31 phagga wrote: I still would have liked an answer from Zentor, looks like I won't get one. Also most people do no longer seem willing to lynch him. So for prplhz it's a town tell when he gets frustrated with you, and for me it's a scum tell? | ||
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On April 26 2012 07:00 Radfield wrote: I think one of phagga or VE should be our lynch today, maybe snarfs. Those three are certainly at the top of my charts right now, though I still have yet to check marv. I'm going to spend some time and break the three of them down this evening, and see which one jumps out at me. A case is forthcoming. Could you also shortly explain me why you think that I'm scum? And please answer my question this time and don't ignore me again. | ||
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@Bluelightz, I agree that there might only be 2 scum. | ||
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VE: He is my next top suspect, which is probably not very surprising. I already was suspicious of him on D1. I wrote back then that I got the feeling he improved, this changed again on D2. Several good points have been made about him, I'm not gonna reiterate everything. He looks extremely unmotivated through the whole game. He has almost only delivered thoughts on players when asked for it, and his change of play is so absurdely different from what we're used from him that I doubt he really is town. prplhz: He is suspicious at least. Had Zentor turned scum, he would have been semi-confirmed town after tunneling him so hard. Now it's possible he just used it as an excuse to not participate in scum hunting D2. He voted Snarfs on D1 without any reason after attacking Zentor already. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 00:52 prplhz wrote: "being scum" is a pretty good reason for lynching people but I don't know if anybody is scum. I think that his defense of MrZentor was really weird and he's no where near as active as I'd like him to be. I don't want to lynch him as much as I want to lynch MrZentor right now but I think that a lot of people still need to speak up before I can make my mind up. MrZentor is the best thing right now in my opinion but I don't think it's bulletproof at all. On April 24 2012 01:36 prplhz wrote: ##Vote Snarfs On April 24 2012 05:32 prplhz wrote: Yea I'm against Radfield/Ace/SamuelLJackson lynches too, lets stop even discussing them. 90 minutes until lynch, I'll be here up until deadline (horay eurofriendly deadlines!) Honestly, if I had a gun I'd shoot MrZentor. His initial aggression seems fake to me and he's pretty much quit this game and apparently doesn't want to be a part of the lynch. It's just too much bullshit and I see no explanation for this. I think he should be our go-to-lynch today. @phagga Why are you buddying me? Especially, you complain when marvellosity voted for Snarfs because he did so on bad reasonable, but I never ever put any reasonable at all and you didn't complain about that. prplhz, you never explained why you voted snarf, what was up with that? Also note how he was active at game start, but then gradually got less active, and has been lurking almost all of D2 (his last post is over 30 hours old). All this together make him suspicious for me, but it's not enough to lynch him today. I really look forward to hear some scum suspects from him including some reasoning why. Marv: From staying under the radar to blatantly sheeping Ace, he has pretty much not put any effort into finding scum. His case on Radfield centered around Rad defending Zentor. I know people say he is a good late game player, but that's also a great excuse for a scum to just do nothing the first 3 days until it's almost too late for town. Also, there is quite some material of every player to analyze, so I don't really see why he should not try to come up with is own reads by now. Concerning Bluelightz: Besides sbrubbles he is the only one I have played several games with (Werewolves 2, Aperture and Bastard). The way he is putting effort in this game seems rather townish to me. While I do see Aces point about Bluelightz switching targets and therefore risking to derail the discussion, I rather think that this is Bluelightz not thinking twice about what effects his behaviour has (see DFM2 for an extreme example), or overthinking what effects his behaviour has. In my experience, when he is active like this and when some effort is visible, he is probably town. Concerning Sbrubbles: He has never been a man with a huge filter, see Aperture as example. The fact that he tries to come up with his own original points and the way he pushes VE I'm leaning town on him. | ||
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prplhz, you never explained why you voted snarf, what was up with that? Also, care to share your current scumreads? Or participate at all? | ||
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On April 27 2012 17:41 Snarfs wrote: Part of the quotes you linked include this snippet: Why would scum ever advocate against the lynching of strong town players? The only reason would be to buy town-cred, but there are ways to do that without specifically telling people not to lynch strong town players. This sentence screams town to me. True. On the other side, a rad/ace/hydra lynch was unlikely anyway at this point, so it would have been an easy way to get towncred without preventing a mislynch. | ||
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I am on the road today, i hope to keep up from my mobile. I will write again in about 12 to 14 hours. | ||
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Case one ace looks bad, will have to reread marv stuff. Where is prplhz? | ||
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Case one ace looks bad, will have to reread marv stuff. Where is prplhz? | ||
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I don't see s&b as a good lynch target, I'd rather not vote him. | ||
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I don't like this. Marv looked scummy in the beginning, I mentioned twice IRC that I find him suspicious, but the last day he looks better. However, due to my own failure to participate earlier the only alternative is a no-lynch. | ||
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The fact that VE made a case on Marv and Radfield is IMO not a scumtell. It actually made him look townier in my eyes. The main reason why I am still voting him is that he did not contribute anything for a long time. His case on Radfield was stretched and centered completely around Rads defense of Zentor. His blatant sheeping of Ace is just bad. However, his defense vs the end of D3 seems sincere, so I am torn if he is a good lynch or not. I'm taking the risk now, for whatever it means (although I see now that s&b voted him as well, so my vote is not even necessary). | ||
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On April 30 2012 06:57 Forumite wrote: wtf? Phagga, explain, you have 1 minute explain what? I wrote why I still thought that marv looked townie, and speculating about why VE wrote that case also contains WIFOM. That's why I voted marv, because I thought there is a chance he flips scum. So you would have liked me to go for the no-lynch option? | ||
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On April 30 2012 07:01 Ace wrote: Doesn't matter. You were missing the ENTIRE TIME and just so happened to show up near deadline. Because I was unplanned away the entire time. | ||
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On April 30 2012 06:58 prplhz wrote: Rofl, people please. Whatever VisceraEyes said, he was deliberate trying to throw us off. And even if he had been under some spell that made him tell the truth, what VisceraEyes says can not be used to discern marvellosity's alignment. ##Unvote marvellosity I don't understand Ace. prphlz, why did you unvote? | ||
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On May 01 2012 05:32 prplhz wrote: It's totally irrelevant whether or not I voted or unvoted, I was instrumental in securing the lynch as I told you I would, and at the same time I was pointing out how it was a mislynch and trying to get you people to come around. Read the thread and that is what you will see. It doesn't matter at all whether or not I voted or unvoted because it would not have mattered at all and I was very aware of that fact. If it really would not matter, than no vote matters, as every single one of us could have said "well MY vote did not make the difference because there were 5 others who voted". That's not how it works. Every vote and unvote counts, because there is always a motivation behind it, and that motivation is important. So just dismissing your unvote as "unimportant" is wrong. However, you gave the answer in your post to snarfs, and that's all i asked for. | ||
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Everyone: Get Active! We are probably still 5 townies vs 2 scum. Let's not get into the same situation as D3 again. What are your reads people, share your thoughts! Ace: Why did you not push Bluelightz harder on D3? You voted him about 9 hours before the deadline but then spend time discussing other stuff. sbrubbles: I don't like his lurky style, although I know it is not unusual for town-sbrubbles. His banter with VE on D2 (which really seemed to piss VE off) makes me think he is not scum, same as his vote on VE on D1. I'll read through s&b's filter again after lunch. | ||
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We're playing in a setup derived from C9++. Those normally have max 3 scum. Since VE is dead, that leaves 2. An SK at this point looks very unlikely. As noone has claimed to have been roleblocked, a jailor/roleblocker seems unlikely, therefor the SK's shot would have had to overlap with the mafia kp every single night. Very unlikely. Thus, probably 5 townies vs 2 scum at this point. | ||
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On April 27 2012 10:55 Ace wrote: Ok let me try this again. BL shows up "defending" Mr.Zentor's lynch long before it happens. However, he never talks about why Zentor must be Town. I don't see it in any of his posts so if they are there show me. It's literally "I dont think a Townie would do this" which isn't a real defense. If he REALLY thinks Zentor is innocent why would he not destroy any of the posts against him? He didn't. This is why I said he comes off as Scum knowing Zentor is innocent ahead of time. He looks like he's defending Zentor but he really isn't. The second bolded doesn't make him Town. "Looking for Scum" is subjective as even Scum can look for Scum. I don't think you are looking at the big picture here. Once again, look at the chain of events the way they went down. Once you showed up with a post on VE, BL shows up with a 19 minutes later with a post calling out a Scum team of VE, Forumite and phagga. His next post after that is calling out Sbrubbles as Scum. He even tries to throw me in there and says me and Sbrubbles must be talking in QT. That's 5 players in not even a quarter of a day that he calls out before Zentor is even flipped and you want to believe he was actually Scum hunting. Seriously this is very simple: If he truly believed Zentor was Town and he is also Town then why would he focus his efforts on calling out 5 other players instead of saving Zentor? He had ample time. He also should know that calling 5 players out isn't going to lead to all of them voting for whoever he thinks is Scum. This was a feigned attempt to look like he was defending a player and attempting to find Scum when he did neither. From a logical point of view, you are right. The problem is that Bluelightz behaviour can seldom be logically explained. I said it before, the amount of effort he put in this game looks rather townie. However, I will not deny that if you ignore the player, and just look at the text, then it looks scummy. TL Mafia Vets always say to not rest cases on meta alone. I also remember Palmar saying in a game that one should always look at a post, not at the poster. It does not matter who says something, but only what is said and how. If I look at Bluelightz posts that way, then yes, I would want to lynch him. However, as soon as I remember myself that it's Bluelightz posting them, I get my doubts again. Additionaly, if I had to make a list with which townies I would like to go to LYLO, then Bluelightz would be pretty much at the bottom of that list. However, we should first try to not get to lylo at all by lynching all the bad guys first. I'm still in the process of rereading the thread and the filters. More to come. | ||
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And what's the other part? You have not mentioned me a single time in your filter except in a question to someone else. I would really like to know why I'm suddenly getting your vote without any explanation. @prplhz: This is the second time that you vote someone without explanation, this time you're not even sheeping. Care to explain why? Also, Since you voted s&b, he only posted two things: + Show Spoiler + On May 02 2012 01:52 strongandbig wrote: Bluelightz, what is your opinion of the case Snarfs made agains prplhz and ace? It was extremely compelling to me, but I notice that you have both of them in your "probably town" list. That's very odd to me. I'm glad you "have your doubts" about me being scum, seeing as the only case anyone has made against me is prplhz's "herp derp he's scum guys," and he hasnt even mentioned any of my answers. Also where the fuck is forumite? Does he usually go missing for days at a time with no explanation like this? On May 02 2012 01:53 strongandbig wrote: Ebwop the cases he made against prp and ace, we shouldn't necessarily assume that if one is right or wrong then the other one is as well. What exactly in these two posts make you think that he is no longer scum? | ||
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I've voiced my suspicions before, prphlz is scum. ##Vote prplhz @Forumite I soft-defended sbrubbles exactly twice, and the first time was after several people discussed if he was a lynch candidate or not. In that post I even talked about several people, not only him. + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2012 17:32 phagga wrote: Where the wild VE: He is my next top suspect, which is probably not very surprising. I already was suspicious of him on D1. I wrote back then that I got the feeling he improved, this changed again on D2. Several good points have been made about him, I'm not gonna reiterate everything. He looks extremely unmotivated through the whole game. He has almost only delivered thoughts on players when asked for it, and his change of play is so absurdely different from what we're used from him that I doubt he really is town. prplhz: He is suspicious at least. Had Zentor turned scum, he would have been semi-confirmed town after tunneling him so hard. Now it's possible he just used it as an excuse to not participate in scum hunting D2. He voted Snarfs on D1 without any reason after attacking Zentor already. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 00:52 prplhz wrote: "being scum" is a pretty good reason for lynching people but I don't know if anybody is scum. I think that his defense of MrZentor was really weird and he's no where near as active as I'd like him to be. I don't want to lynch him as much as I want to lynch MrZentor right now but I think that a lot of people still need to speak up before I can make my mind up. MrZentor is the best thing right now in my opinion but I don't think it's bulletproof at all. On April 24 2012 01:36 prplhz wrote: ##Vote Snarfs On April 24 2012 05:32 prplhz wrote: Yea I'm against Radfield/Ace/SamuelLJackson lynches too, lets stop even discussing them. 90 minutes until lynch, I'll be here up until deadline (horay eurofriendly deadlines!) Honestly, if I had a gun I'd shoot MrZentor. His initial aggression seems fake to me and he's pretty much quit this game and apparently doesn't want to be a part of the lynch. It's just too much bullshit and I see no explanation for this. I think he should be our go-to-lynch today. @phagga Why are you buddying me? Especially, you complain when marvellosity voted for Snarfs because he did so on bad reasonable, but I never ever put any reasonable at all and you didn't complain about that. prplhz, you never explained why you voted snarf, what was up with that? Also note how he was active at game start, but then gradually got less active, and has been lurking almost all of D2 (his last post is over 30 hours old). All this together make him suspicious for me, but it's not enough to lynch him today. I really look forward to hear some scum suspects from him including some reasoning why. Marv: From staying under the radar to blatantly sheeping Ace, he has pretty much not put any effort into finding scum. His case on Radfield centered around Rad defending Zentor. I know people say he is a good late game player, but that's also a great excuse for a scum to just do nothing the first 3 days until it's almost too late for town. Also, there is quite some material of every player to analyze, so I don't really see why he should not try to come up with is own reads by now. Concerning Bluelightz: Besides sbrubbles he is the only one I have played several games with (Werewolves 2, Aperture and Bastard). The way he is putting effort in this game seems rather townish to me. While I do see Aces point about Bluelightz switching targets and therefore risking to derail the discussion, I rather think that this is Bluelightz not thinking twice about what effects his behaviour has (see DFM2 for an extreme example), or overthinking what effects his behaviour has. In my experience, when he is active like this and when some effort is visible, he is probably town. Concerning Sbrubbles: He has never been a man with a huge filter, see Aperture as example. The fact that he tries to come up with his own original points and the way he pushes VE I'm leaning town on him. On May 01 2012 18:44 phagga wrote: Everyone: Get Active! We are probably still 5 townies vs 2 scum. Let's not get into the same situation as D3 again. What are your reads people, share your thoughts! Ace: Why did you not push Bluelightz harder on D3? You voted him about 9 hours before the deadline but then spend time discussing other stuff. sbrubbles: I don't like his lurky style, although I know it is not unusual for town-sbrubbles. His banter with VE on D2 (which really seemed to piss VE off) makes me think he is not scum, same as his vote on VE on D1. I'll read through s&b's filter again after lunch. I addiontally mentioned him when he brought up some points on Radfield that I thought were legit, and also wrote on D1 that I would consider voting him as a last resort, which is rather the opposite of defending. Also notice that this was a short summary on several players. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 02:50 phagga wrote: I was not on the whole time, but whatever. Yes, I still think VE is fishy, one post with some halfbaked accusations is not gonna change that. And no, I am not up for a Radfield or Ace lynch, as I think bot VE or MrZentor are better targets. Sbrubbles lurking is disappointing, but that's rather a last resort. I would like to hear something from MrZentor soon. Also, I think s&b's case on Snarf is rather stretched, I don't see any of the two as scummy currently. Bluelightz defense of VE seems strange, even for him. I know he can be superlazy, but normally he is still making sense as town somehow. Still not on the scummy side however. That's a total of 4 mentions from D1 to D4. How this is "all the time" is beyond me. I have never dedicated a single post to him. Also, I have not checked, but I'm pretty sure I have mentioned other players more often than him. I am also sure that bluelightz has defended Zentor more, for example. I'm sure you could find other examples if you wanted. You got anything else? Anyway, I'm off to bed. | ||
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However, while doing this, I realized that Forumite was actually buddying up on prplhz pretty hard. If you look through his filter (just open all pages on one and search for "prplhz") he defends prplhz pretty early, has several direct chats with prphlz and votes for me after and because of prphlz's initiative. Also, In his posts about Zentor, he repeatedly references prplhz and votes Zentor the first time after he defended prplhz as "playing exactly as he usually does as town". I also find it funny that prplhz never commented on this, while on the other hand he thought pretty fast that I buddied up on him. On April 24 2012 05:32 prplhz wrote: @phagga Why are you buddying me? Especially, you complain when marvellosity voted for Snarfs because he did so on bad reasonable, but I never ever put any reasonable at all and you didn't complain about that. So Forumite, what's up with that? + Show Spoiler [with original post] + Oh, so that's how you scumhunt? Ok, let's see if I can do this too. I present you the interaction between Forumite and prplhz out of Forumites Filter: Discusses game mechanics exclusively with prplzh right at the beginning of the game: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 07:15 Forumite wrote: Not following, why do they need to sign their posts? Doesn´t that defeat the point of having a hydra-account? On April 22 2012 07:27 Forumite wrote: Partly agree. It´s good in most situations to know who said what, because otherwise it´s impossible to read their play due to old games. On the other hand, just like in Couples Therapy Mafia, they are both responsible for what the other one do. They can´t blame the other player, so most of the time I´ll ignore who said what. On April 22 2012 07:27 Forumite wrote: Partly agree. It´s good in most situations to know who said what, because otherwise it´s impossible to read their play due to old games. On the other hand, just like in Couples Therapy Mafia, they are both responsible for what the other one do. They can´t blame the other player, so most of the time I´ll ignore who said what. Sets up and executes a defense on prphlz (note that these 4 posts come right after each other in Forumites Filter): + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 09:16 Forumite wrote: MrZentor, you speak a lot, but say nothing. After being called out for not doing much you accuse prplhz of being scum out of the blue. Why so defensive? I want you post with a point, not spam. So far you´ve done 2 things of note, accuse prplhz of being scum and vote yourself. Which one do you think I agree with? On April 22 2012 10:06 Forumite wrote: Apart from the one about the picture, the questions prplhz asked deserve answers, especially as he asked about the opinions you had expressed in the thread. You say weird things, prplhz ask questions about it, if his questions are odd then it´s because of how you acted in the first place. Could you please explain instead, what is it that makes you seriously think that prplhz is scum? On April 22 2012 10:21 Forumite wrote: You are grasping at straws. There´s nothing strange about him using the same phrase, he read it a few minutes before. We also have a similar play, teamed up in couples therapy, and are both scandinavian, of course our english might show some similarities. Now, please clarify, why is prplhz scum? On April 22 2012 11:08 Forumite wrote: Discussing a potential problem in the first posts of the game is not a waste of space, it´s there to get the discussion going. Calling out a few players is also nothing wrong with. FYI to me it looks like prplhz is playing exactly as he usually does as town. You on the other hand are grasping at straws, you make a weak case on prplhz to divert attention from yourself, and you are generally not acting town (why DID you vote yourself?). It´s very, very early in the game, and only about a third of the players have shown themselves so far, but your play so far scream scum. ##Vote MrZentor Here he is eager to point out that prplhz was being attacked by Zentor, also in "defense" of their case to VE: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 22:10 Forumite wrote: I think he voted himself to try and give the appearance of him not caring about surviving himself, to show that he´s playing risky, like a town role that can rely on others for his win. He tried to act nonchalant about the game with his first post, not nervous and guilty. When prplhz and I called him out that voting himself was weird, he got nervous, defensive, and did an OMGUS on prplhz, trying to build a case out of nothing to divert attention from himself. On April 22 2012 22:49 Forumite wrote: Don´t exaggerate, there´s nothing advanced about this, the only odd thing is you actually going so far as voting yourself, otherwise it looks like standard scumplay, nervous, defensive and fond of counterattacks. Are you still on about prplhz? Some buddying up on prphlz: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 21:11 Forumite wrote: prplhz is back! Could you please have a beer, and then tell me who is scum? Pointint out that he will not lynch prphlz: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 00:09 Forumite wrote: I won´t be able to post until about an hour before the deadline. I´m against a prplhz lynch. My vote stays on MrZentor for now, even though I know there´s little hope of getting that scum lynched today. And it's about prphlz again: + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 06:20 Forumite wrote: MrZentor, why do you think prplhz is scum? The things he does that you think are suspicious are not suspicous to me, at least not coming from him. On April 25 2012 06:46 Forumite wrote: I don´t follow your reasoning, you are saying that prplhz and I must be town because we are going after you, an obvious town who won´t ever get lynched? That sounds like you defending us, while defending yourself at the same time. "Let´s be friends, we´re all town here" Now comes my favorite part: 4 posts in rapid succession where Forumite and prphlz talk to each other: + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2012 08:39 Forumite wrote: I´m here. I´m trying to make sense of this but too tired/confused. I was so close to throwing in with Sbrubbles. When I first saw the case it made perfect sense, the distancing, the Radfield+Marv case, where Rad got shot, making the case fall apart, so Marv looks town, while VE gets towncred for scumhunting. Right now I don´t know. Marv made an OMGUS on Sbrubbles, but it wasn´t an OMGUS, he´s so damn calm about it even when half the town are preparing to lynch him. On April 29 2012 09:16 Forumite wrote: He´s been absent during D3, and I want to hear what he has to say about all the flips. He posts less that Sbrubbles, that´s bad. He´s kind of like Marv during D1, but that doesn´t really make him scummy. For some reason I haven´t thought so much about him. On April 29 2012 09:44 Forumite wrote:  Tomorrow, it's in the middle of the night. Some more back and forth between the two: + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2012 05:02 Forumite wrote: Back prplhz, why strongandbig? What makes you think he´s scummy? I read the same filter and I don´t see it. On April 30 2012 05:43 Forumite wrote: Sorry, not following what you are refering to here. On April 30 2012 06:23 Forumite wrote: Giving up is actually a scumtell, they stop defending themselves to avoid giving town any more info for later. Then again, town can do that to if they are just too tired to make the effort, like MrZentor. On April 30 2012 06:37 Forumite wrote: It depends on what people do when you tell them to lynch you. And his final mentions where he points out once more that he does not want to lynch prphlz: + Show Spoiler + On May 02 2012 07:20 Forumite wrote: Phagga talks about Sbrubbles all the time, mostly to soft-defend him, that he doesn´t play any different from when they played in the same game earlier. Sbrubbles mentiones Phagga twice, first time ever is an hour before the Marv-lynch. I don´t want to lynch prplhz and BL is off my radar for today. Wow, that was easy! I was just playing Mafia wrong the whole time! | ||
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On May 02 2012 18:16 Forumite wrote: I trust prplhz more than I trust you and Sbrubbles, and I think I have reason to. It didn´t take much to make you both openly defend eachother, mostly by using OMGUS on me. So far you haven´t really dealt with eachother, now you present a united front in mutual defence. Remind me, How am I defending sbrubbles currently? And what is there to "deal with eachother"? What do you expect me to do, that I vote sbrubbles now? What "united front in mutual defence", did you expect me to crumble and beg to get lynched? You are grasping at straws here, you have no proof for your accusations other than a few quotes you took out of context. I never intended to single out sbrubbles from the rest. I wrote two times why I think he would be a bad lynch candidate, the first time when several people where discussing him as a lynch candidate. Since when is this wrong? You write yourself you trust prplhz (which I interprete as, you are sure he's town), and write two times you don't want to lynch him without any further reasoning. But when I lay out 2 times why I think sbrubbles is not scum (means, I actually try to explain why I think so) I'm suddenly his scumbuddy? You want an answer to your case? Here we go: On May 02 2012 08:24 Forumite wrote: Relevant posts about Sbrubbles-Phagga. Sbrubbles is accusing Radfield. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 12:39 Sbrubbles wrote: Radfield, you are the one looking the most suspicious to me right now. On the Zentor/prplhz exchange, you defend Zentor, but agree with Forumite on Zentor's case on prplhz being weak: + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 11:35 Radfield wrote: That is some weak sauce Zentor. Much of this I agree with, though not the last sentence. Zentor does not scream scum to me, at least not yet, and following this course through likely only nets us a dead townie. As you say yourself, only 1/3 of the players have even posted, so no need to be hasty. And now, you're indirectly accusing prplhz, even though there has been no case on him (besides Zentor's, which you implied was weak) and haven't made one of your own. What's up with that? + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 08:43 Radfield wrote: I was serious when I said I was willing to vote VE, however prplhz needs to show up or he might get the vote as well. More to come. ##vote Visceraeyes Also, you were the first to offer to vote VE (without an actual explanation as to why), and waited until someone else appeared voting for him in order to actually cast your vote. Is this merely a coincidence or were you waiting for someone else to accuse and vote him in order for yourself not to stand out? + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 22:26 Radfield wrote: I'm down with a VE vote at this point. On April 23 2012 08:43 Radfield wrote: I agree with Toad, enough about the masons. If in fact they exist, they have enough information and opinions to make their own decision. I was serious when I said I was willing to vote VE, however prplhz needs to show up or he might get the vote as well. More to come. ##vote Visceraeyes Phagga soft-accuses Radfield in response to Sbrubbles accusation. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 16:22 phagga wrote: ok, catching up. game mechanics stuff: - Hydras should sign. Everything else lowers transparency for town. - After reading all the pros and cons, I'd support a mason claim day 2. Reason: Many Vets + 2 masons = too many targets to handle for scum. D3 might be too late because of counterclaim (depends on nightkills and SK situation). On to more important stuff in no particular order: Mr. Zentor: I don't like how his "really long post" was actually not long at all, but only full of quotes. If we ignore the quotes, the post was quite short. So why announce it as long? His case on prplhz was weak, and when asked a second time why he thought that prplhz was still scummy, he never answered. His style is unnecessarily aggresive. VisceraEyes: His Filter shows 5 ingame posts, which is more than I have, but unlike me he is notorious for being very active borderline on spamming, trying to direct people and generally being helpful to town. He is completely lacking these features this game. His townread post is suspicious, I can't remember him making townlists like this in the last games? His behaviour currently reminds of the Bastard game we just were in, where he was SK. Ace: I don't like how he has basically been talking about game mechanics and shown no interest in hunting scum. However, I've read some games where he was in (last was space station) and I think this is part of his D1 play? Not entirely sure. Radfield: He would not have shown up in this list was it not for sbrubbles points. I think they are very legit, and I look forward to Radfields reaction. As I wrote, I thought he had good points. You chimed in on Zentor similarly after prplhz started questioning him, so why is it ok for you to do but not for me? + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2012 10:06 Forumite wrote: Apart from the one about the picture, the questions prplhz asked deserve answers, especially as he asked about the opinions you had expressed in the thread. You say weird things, prplhz ask questions about it, if his questions are odd then it´s because of how you acted in the first place. Could you please explain instead, what is it that makes you seriously think that prplhz is scum? On May 02 2012 08:24 Forumite wrote: Sbrubbles makes a (weak) case on Radfield, and Phagga chimes in for fun. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 21:39 phagga wrote: Uh, my impression is that he exactly tried to avoid putting himself in the spotlight. He has 5 posts, which are a town list, 2 defensive posts about himself and zentor, a heart to rad and a post about game mechanics where he also tries to find out more about Aces possible plan(s). That's not putting yourself in the spotlight. Actually, that last post seems a bit strange, now that I read it again. He has not activily participated in this discussion about game mechanics but suddenly seems interested in knowing how Ace would deal with the situation? When I look through his posts again, this one feels out of place in comparison to the others. + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 00:08 VisceraEyes wrote: @Ace: I think it looks a lot like your Hypothetical Situation 2. The only issue I have with it is that we don't know if there's a cop OR medic present, where your HS2 was assuming an open setup. Wanna walk me through how your plan works if there are no medics/cops present Ace? Also, he is one of the few people who is not openly supporting a mason claim. @Radfield: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 19:22 Radfield wrote: Marvellosity, you need to step it up. More content please. Also, if you want filters do the work and make them yourself, it takes all of 5 minutes. This is the definition of a 'safe' post. Everything in this post is a popular opinion that has already been mentioned by someone else. It hits slightly on all the major points of this game, without going into detail on any of them. Zentor -> parroting Forumite and talking like Zentor is scum, yet not stating that explicitly nor voting for him. Visceraeyes -> following Toads lead(backed by me), and again indirectly talking as if Visceraeyes is scum(or SK), without actually saying it. Ace and Radfield -> again parroting others points and slinging a bit of mud towards two strong players, without actually calling them out. So phagga, what is your actual opinion here? You seem to think both Zentor and VE are scummy, yet are doing nothing about it. Additionally, I have responded to Shrubbles, what do you think of my response? My problem is that I have a hard time making out something new, something that has not been said yet. There is not much content so far (which is partially my fault), and there is a lot of game mechanics talk that does not really show anything about the alignement of players, specially as pretty much everyone involved in the discussion agrees on the general concept. What exactly do you expect? That I'm going to make stuff up only for the sake of being original? Also, You can believe me or not, but the fact that Ace was only talking about game mechanics and not trying to scum hunt crossed my mind before he was called out for this by someone else. Alas, I was too slow, so it looks like I'm parroting. I'm still a bit undecided on who to vote on, which is way I have not voted yet. I think it is going to be VisceraEyes for now, but I want to read through Zentors filter first. 1 I agree with you that it's no issue. 2 So you just fling some mud into a vets direction without any hard facts? 3So you have a good reason to vote VE, but withhold because... well, you keep us in the dark why you are not telling us. why can't you tell us? Is the explanation going to be so long, are you waiting for more info? I don't see you as scum atm. I just thought that sbrubbles actually saw two good points (the second and the third) and I wanted to point out that I share his sentiment and that I want your reaction too. This is wrong, you just take this out of context and turn it into a lie. Radfield asked me about my opinion on his answers to sbrubbles (see the bolded part in the spoiler after @Radfield), so I was answering to a question of Radfield. This is no longer connected to sbrubbles. On May 02 2012 08:24 Forumite wrote: Phagga telling everyone that Sbrubbles not posting much is normal. + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2012 17:32 phagga wrote: Where the wild VE: He is my next top suspect, which is probably not very surprising. I already was suspicious of him on D1. I wrote back then that I got the feeling he improved, this changed again on D2. Several good points have been made about him, I'm not gonna reiterate everything. He looks extremely unmotivated through the whole game. He has almost only delivered thoughts on players when asked for it, and his change of play is so absurdely different from what we're used from him that I doubt he really is town. prplhz: He is suspicious at least. Had Zentor turned scum, he would have been semi-confirmed town after tunneling him so hard. Now it's possible he just used it as an excuse to not participate in scum hunting D2. He voted Snarfs on D1 without any reason after attacking Zentor already. + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 00:52 prplhz wrote: "being scum" is a pretty good reason for lynching people but I don't know if anybody is scum. I think that his defense of MrZentor was really weird and he's no where near as active as I'd like him to be. I don't want to lynch him as much as I want to lynch MrZentor right now but I think that a lot of people still need to speak up before I can make my mind up. MrZentor is the best thing right now in my opinion but I don't think it's bulletproof at all. On April 24 2012 01:36 prplhz wrote: ##Vote Snarfs On April 24 2012 05:32 prplhz wrote: Yea I'm against Radfield/Ace/SamuelLJackson lynches too, lets stop even discussing them. 90 minutes until lynch, I'll be here up until deadline (horay eurofriendly deadlines!) Honestly, if I had a gun I'd shoot MrZentor. His initial aggression seems fake to me and he's pretty much quit this game and apparently doesn't want to be a part of the lynch. It's just too much bullshit and I see no explanation for this. I think he should be our go-to-lynch today. @phagga Why are you buddying me? Especially, you complain when marvellosity voted for Snarfs because he did so on bad reasonable, but I never ever put any reasonable at all and you didn't complain about that. prplhz, you never explained why you voted snarf, what was up with that? Also note how he was active at game start, but then gradually got less active, and has been lurking almost all of D2 (his last post is over 30 hours old). All this together make him suspicious for me, but it's not enough to lynch him today. I really look forward to hear some scum suspects from him including some reasoning why. Marv: From staying under the radar to blatantly sheeping Ace, he has pretty much not put any effort into finding scum. His case on Radfield centered around Rad defending Zentor. I know people say he is a good late game player, but that's also a great excuse for a scum to just do nothing the first 3 days until it's almost too late for town. Also, there is quite some material of every player to analyze, so I don't really see why he should not try to come up with is own reads by now. Concerning Bluelightz: Besides sbrubbles he is the only one I have played several games with (Werewolves 2, Aperture and Bastard). The way he is putting effort in this game seems rather townish to me. While I do see Aces point about Bluelightz switching targets and therefore risking to derail the discussion, I rather think that this is Bluelightz not thinking twice about what effects his behaviour has (see DFM2 for an extreme example), or overthinking what effects his behaviour has. In my experience, when he is active like this and when some effort is visible, he is probably town. Concerning Sbrubbles: He has never been a man with a huge filter, see Aperture as example. The fact that he tries to come up with his own original points and the way he pushes VE I'm leaning town on him. Again, you are taking this out of context. I was commenting on my suspects and on two people who were named as possible lynch candidates. Bluelightz votes sbrubbles here, then here VE starts to attack sbrubbles. There is some back and forth where also snarfs states his opinion on sbrubbles after you ask him for it here. Shortly after I make the above post, giving my stance on 5 people, one of them sbrubbles who was just discussed the hours before. This all happened in 24 hours, so I don't see how this post was out of line. On May 02 2012 08:24 Forumite wrote: You don´t trust Sbrubbles, but you don´t think he´s scum, wut? + Show Spoiler + On May 01 2012 18:44 phagga wrote: Everyone: Get Active! We are probably still 5 townies vs 2 scum. Let's not get into the same situation as D3 again. What are your reads people, share your thoughts! Ace: Why did you not push Bluelightz harder on D3? You voted him about 9 hours before the deadline but then spend time discussing other stuff. sbrubbles: I don't like his lurky style, although I know it is not unusual for town-sbrubbles. His banter with VE on D2 (which really seemed to piss VE off) makes me think he is not scum, same as his vote on VE on D1. I'll read through s&b's filter again after lunch. I don't trust anyone until I have hard proof they're town. That does not mean that I think everyone in this game is scum. Is that such a hard concept to grasp? I know I repeat myself, but you're grasping at straws. There is no connection between me and sbrubbles, and I'm not scum. | ||
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On May 02 2012 20:03 prplhz wrote: Case on phagga: Day3 we didn't really have a lynch and yet he chose to show up only 10 minutes before the lynch and then he just voted for whoever had the most votes (and this was after this guy had told people to vote for him). This isn't very townie 'cause a townie would care more about the lynch, looks like phagga didn't care much as long as we just lynched somebody. Look at everybody else. It was not 10 minutes, I wrote 45 minutes before the lynch. And I explained why I was that late: There was unplanned activity on the weekend which made it impossible for me to participate earlier. I stated 4 suspects through this game: Zentor, VE, marv, prplhz. At the end of D3 Zentor and VE were dead. I had not much time to make my decision, and I wanted to vote one of my suspects. I also did not want another no-lynch. This is why I voted marv. So It's not true that I just wanted to lynch "somebody", if for example s&b would have been at 4 votes I would not have voted him. You could actually find that out by yourself, but it would involve looking at my filter, which you were obviously unwilling to do. On May 02 2012 20:03 prplhz wrote: There's more to this but my head feels like it's twice its normal size so you'll have to excuse me. strongandbig's filter has some noncontributions and he was wobbling quite a bit on VisceraEyes even though he had strong opinions on most everybody else, but there are also quite some flashes of genuinely wanting to help town and thinking hard and being open minded about things so he's off for now. Oh, and another excuse, right. You always find excuses, be it Zentor who pissed you off (so you had to lurk for some time), people not listening to you (so it's not worth to write a case anyway), you being bad at writing cases, and now it's your head. So does this mean that people always have to follow you blindly everytime you have a headache? Ok, that sounds mean *sigh*. It just pisses me off that I'm being voted for without any explanation. If you really have a headache, get well. | ||
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On May 02 2012 20:52 Forumite wrote: I don´t like that when I finally get a reaction from you, you say you are going offline until the lynch. yeah, I completely agree. | ||
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On May 03 2012 04:47 Ace wrote: I found phagga suspicious based on his actions at the end of the last lynch. I think that its very suspect for someone to show up at the end of the day for a vote when they were missing for all of the 48 hours where discussion took place. As much as prp has been throwing accusations around, I find phagga's action far more incriminating. I tried to be as transparent about this as I could. Would you have preferred a no-lynch in that situation? And no, me being around earlier was not an option. | ||
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##Unvote prplhz ##Vote phagga Good luck town, you'll need it. | ||
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I guess there is no need to make this game longer than necessary. I guess the scum team was Ace and probably sbrubbles? We will see. Following prplhz' wish: ##Unvote ##Vote phagga | ||
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First of all: Sorry for self-voting the second time, that was pretty shitty. When prplhz voted me AGAIN I just gave up. The reason for my first self-vote on D4 is that I wanted to change the situation. We were 3v3 with bluelightz on a different player, and I wanted to avoid another D1/D2 situation. If I would have had the guts to not unvote myself and hope for prplhz to unvote me, town might have actually benefit from it, as I would think it should have made prp an me look more town (well, it made prp look more town anyway). However, I am fully aware that the real problem was that we let town get into a situation where two townies got at each others throat on D4. Also, when Ace was going at me for being late on D3 I should have realized that something was off with him (I did, but only after my self-voting on D4, and then I did not have the guts to push him). My biggest problem is that I still lack confidence. I had VE as possible scum on D1, and was sure he was scum D2, but failed to push him. I had to much trust in Rad's check on Ace. I actually let myself get scared by Aces accusations after my late D3 showing, although I should have known that I could show my fellow townies that I was town and that someone else was scum. And even after D4, when I finally realized that Ace was scum, I feared people would not believe me if I tried to push Ace, which is why I stayed silent. All in all, as someone else already said, I need to grow more balls in this game. thanks for hosting, wbg! | ||
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