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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
I wonder if any of this has anything to do with how you are getting lynched and how I'm not getting lynched. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
On April 26 2012 10:19 prplhz wrote: I wonder if any of this has anything to do with how you are getting lynched and how I'm not getting lynched. mafia ZING! | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On April 26 2012 10:08 Radfield wrote: He specifically says that a lot of people thought Zentor was town. Why would you expect someone who lots of people think is town to get vigged? You wouldn't, you'd expect them to get shot by mafia. Lots of people think is scum -> Expect Vig hit Lots of people think is town -> Expect Mafia hit Yes? prplhz, I'll respond to you in the morning. I think I see your point. VE commented that there were people calling him town during D1 and N1, and those calling him Town wouldn´t shoot him if they were vigis, and scum would definetly not shoot one of the scummiest players in the game. On April 26 2012 10:02 Radfield wrote: Also Forumite, I don't like the Zentor lynch. I think he is town and THAT is a gut read. I've stated before that I just don't see scum motivation for his posting. Townies pull this kind of stunt all the time, and right now I think he is one. His attitude and demeanor all make me think of unafraid town, not ballsy mafia. I was thinking today about how Ace said to keep it simple. But I think that the simple answer is not: "player is blatantly disruptive, therefore he is scum". Fact is 98% of the time scum just try to blend in with town. So the actual simple answer is "player is blatantly disruptive, he's probably an uncaring townie". That's obvious a simplification, but you get the jist. Anyways if he flipped scum I'd be surprised but not shocked. I think VE is a better target by a long shot. We are looking at the same thing, but interpreting it in opposite ways. He´s being disruptive and is hurting town, I think you agree on that too, but you see a townie not caring about appearances, while I see a scum who got found out, and is now making sure to help town as little as possible. I understand why you think scum wouldn´t try to play like that, but that doesn´t mean his play doesn´t benefit scum. | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5774 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 02:00 SamuelLJackson wrote: I don't think it was that obvious. We had 4 votes on marv with all three of VE, prpl and yourself saying that you are willing to lynch marv. VE voted Sbrubbles to prove his willingness to lynch a lurker / marv (?!?!) and said he was fine with lynching marv. You because you were fine with it for whatever reason, I don't recall something specific there (!) and prpl because he wanted to avoid a no-lynch and out of nowhere 15 minutes before the deadline VE gets in here telling people he had a change of heart, you get in here voting a no-lynch as well, Ace gets in who had no proper clue about what was going on either, therefore voting some random guy who never was up for lynch. You understand that I think the last 30 or so minutes before the deadline yesterday were pretty weird, don't you? Not to mention that I still think marv is / was a good plan B, at least better than a no-lynch. So basicly we were in a Situation were you (rad) tell people it's stupid to lynch a vet because they could be a strong town asset. Next thing happening is VE posting some crap like this: which basicly tells us that we don't lynch lurkers either, which brings me to the question: Are you the bad guy manipulating VE when he is uncertain or is VE the bad guy using your uncertainty to get out of this for whatever reason (hint: in this explanation marv would be mafia) It feels a little like you're behaving like blue, who's most recent post has to be the biggest troll ever, because I told him to stop calling EVERY SINGLE GUY in this game a townie and that we eventually have to lynch someone to get rid of mafia which finally gets him to post a scumread just to answer that one with another "yeah I guess I was wrong, that guy is a townie as well". The difference here is that you are not blue. Neither is VE and one or the other is being manipulative imo. --- Toad + Show Spoiler + On April 25 2012 23:00 Sbrubbles wrote: 2) VE: Going back to the last minute scramble in yesterday's lynch, how did this post: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 05:19 Radfield wrote: I don't think sbrubbles or snarfs are very good lynches. Honestly, I don't really feel like doing the last hour scramble, and I don't think we will net scum doing that anyways. I'd be fine with a marvellosity or bluelightz lynch, but I doubt that gets us anywhere either. However, no-lynching doesn't really do us any good. Right now we have lylo on day 4(assuming no SK), and if we no-lynch we still have mylo on Day 4. However, if there IS a serial killer in the mix, every extra townie will count. I'm just feeling a bit apathetic towards the lynch and don't feel like forcing through a mediocre candidate(again). Also, lynching me day 1 is never a good idea. Have you ever notice how pretty much the only time townies find me scummy on day 1 is when I am town? Man, I really don't have the energy for this right now. Apologies all, I will try to pick it up tonight. Convince you of this: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Rad made me rethink voting marv - I went back and reread the beginning of his newbie game that I read and he did find himself the victim of early suspicion. I'm willing to no-lynch in this situation. In my opinion a no-lynch is better than a mislynch in this situation and I'm not confident enough in any of the lurkers anymore - there has been a lot of activity here toward the end, and it's hard to tell if it's because there's a scum candidate or because no one wants a no-lynch or what. What do you think Toad? Do you think we should lynch a lurker or no-lynch? I'm okay with no-lynching to be frank. The question above was posted in a different form by Toad/Sandroba, but you never answered. Besides being overall strong town players, they were putting you, along with Radfield on the spotlight (at nighttime, not less). They may have been leaning on Rad being the scum out of you two (while I think the opposite), but I think their deaths shows that they were at least on the right direction. If I suspect that you're scum, that would mean that mavelosity is also scum, otherwise you could have voted for him to try to force a mislynch at little or no cost. After reading through his filter, I see this as very plausible, which brings me to my next point: 3) Marvelosity: Your play this game has been essencially inactivity and sheeping. During the D1 last-minute scramble, you were apathetic, were giving up on the game and pulled the newbie card. In fact, you did these things at 4 votes, which meant you weren't exactly in mortal danger (but close anyway). Now D2 you're being slightly more active, but the bandwagon on Zentor is already rolling, so you're not actually adding a lot to the discussion. It's hard to make a case on someone who doesn't have content precisely because you can't break down their arguments, but you not having content is exactly my point. You've been lurking and I think you're scum. Also, I tried looking at your games and couldn't find any D1 lynches, but maybe I just missed it. Can you link to one? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On April 26 2012 09:24 Radfield wrote: I think VE is very likely scum. His posts consistently show a non-town mindset, both in his reasoning, and the things he chooses to point out. I won't say he's been explicitly pushing mafia objectives, because I don't think that's what he's been doing. I think he's trying to blend in, and stay on the periphery. As such, I'm going to be detailing how certain posts show a mafia oriented mindset. I'd also like to illustrate that I don't think VE really ever gave a crap about who we voted(or who he voted) for Day 1, despite the fact that he spent a lot of time talking about the lynch. This is a very apt and accurate summation of Radfield's case against me. The only problem with it lies in the fact that the bolded statements seem to contradict each other. Why would my posts show a "mafia oriented mindset" if I'm not explicitly pushing mafia objectives? I mean, if you disagree with my reasoning for my votes that's one thing, but I've given reasoning for all of my votes which shows very clearly that I "give a crap" about the lynch D1. On April 26 2012 09:24 Radfield wrote: This really is a bizarre first post. We're a few hours into the game, and VE is declaring that he thinks 5 players(everyone who has posted) are town. Why as a townie would you EVER say that? Why would you ever THINK that? It takes me the better part of Day 1 to begin to pick up town reads, and certainly more than a few posts. Fact is, I agree with VE, that I think all five of those players(prplhz, forumite, zentor, Radfield, SamuelL) ARE town. I think VE came into the thread and saw that, and fired it out. I'm going to be brutally honest here when I say....that I was drunk when I posted this. That being said, this was actually my joking way of disagreeing with Forumite's post regarding Zentor, specifically. I realize that dishing out town reads is useless and gives mafia information, but I thought that the early hour would make the content ironic and the meaning would be clear. The joke was poorly constructed, and I blame my inebriation. On April 26 2012 09:24 Radfield wrote: This is a completely twisted way to look at meta. The fact that he was found suspicious on day 1 in another game is completely irrelevant to this game. The key is why he looked suspicious, how he was playing, and how it compares to this game. If no one found him suspicious in Newbie VI, that wouldn't matter, because the key is how his play in that game(and alignment) compare to this game. I don't think a town player(at least not one who has played as much as VE) would look at a past game and say, " oh, people found him suspicious in that game, and I find him suspicious in this game, therefore I will reconsider my suspicions". It makes no sense. He actually mentions this again later on, and again uses the same reasoning:+ Show Spoiler + Marv: Marv hasn't given me much to go on today - I'm waiting to see what kind of stuff he puts out today. As I said earlier, meta-wise (Ltd.) it's not unusual for marv to be in hot water D1, so I'm eager to see what he's got. If he fails to produce, I'd like to destroy him. Again, the key is WHY he got in hot water, and how it compares to his play this game. Yet VE is not looking for that. I actually was looking for that Radfield. I didn't realize I had to outline my thought-process so clearly, but what I found when reading your game was a tendency to lurk and pop in with short, directionless posts. That led me to posit that he might have just learned something from that experience and is choosing to instead just let others post and observe. I never would have reached this conclusion unless I had been convinced to go reread the early part of your game, which is why attributed my reasoning to you...not because I'm sheeping you or buddying you or whatever. On April 26 2012 09:24 Radfield wrote: Again, we have a failure here from VE. "Unless Rad and Ace are both scum (imba?) I have to believe that Rad is telling the truth about his claim". He is completely ignoring the other scenarios where I could be scum, other than just me and Ace being teammates. Yet VE states that unless they're both scum, Radfield must be town. Lets go through the other options, both of which have been pointed out by other players: I am scum and trying to buy townie cred. I KNOW ace is town aligned, therefore I can get him off my back at a time when he is pressuring me. It was also pointed out that depending on mafia roles, they can surmise the likelihood of a counter-claim. I am SK and trying to buy townie cred. I KNOW ace will go along with me. Either he is scum and now knows I am SK, or he is town and will likely believe my claim. It's a pure gamble though, and a less likely scenario. Me and Ace both being teammates is actually quite unlikely. We would make a very formidable scum-team, and exposing ourselves with such a ballsy claim would be irrational and irresponsible. VE immediately accepts my alignment as town, and in fact only questions whether I would fake claim as a townie. Town players should be questioning whether I am scum or not, NOT questioning whether I am actually vanilla town faking a cop check. Only mafia would question that, because they already KNOW I am town. The fact is, only your claim gives me reason to doubt my read on Ace. That being said, by my estimation, that means that you're either town telling the truth and have a green check on Ace or you're scum and are Ace's partner. We presumably only had 1 KP hit us last night, so I don't know why I would consider that you might be an SK, but know this: I didn't just accept that you're town, I decided that you're more likely town based on your claim than Ace's partner. I would never consider that you'd lie as VT, I would be insulted if you think that I'd do that and I expect you're a little insulted if you believe that's what I meant. When I said "fake-claiming a DT check to clear someone", I meant as scum. Not as town. Minor, but important I think. I have to take a break, but I'll respond to the rest of your post in the morning after I sleep. In the meantime, I'd be very interested in the actual reasoning you have behind thinking Zentor is town, as he's in queue for lynch, I'm not the only one who thinks he's scum, and you're trying to derail his wagon. I think independent of your read on me, you need to be clear with town about that. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Also, thanks for showing up from out of nowhere only to comment on this brah. I couldn't help but notice that you didn't mention MrZentor during your short return to the thread. You know, the leading lynch candidate? | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:24 MrZentor wrote: Phagga- He has posted a lot of fluffy posts, and he accused me but switched to an easier lynch after it became obvious that I wasn't to be lynched I switched because I wanted to avoid a no-lynch, and people seemed unwilling to lynch you. And why was marv the easier target? On April 26 2012 06:24 MrZentor wrote: Fluffy post! + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 16:22 phagga wrote: ok, catching up. game mechanics stuff: - Hydras should sign. Everything else lowers transparency for town. - After reading all the pros and cons, I'd support a mason claim day 2. Reason: Many Vets + 2 masons = too many targets to handle for scum. D3 might be too late because of counterclaim (depends on nightkills and SK situation). On to more important stuff in no particular order: Mr. Zentor: I don't like how his "really long post" was actually not long at all, but only full of quotes. If we ignore the quotes, the post was quite short. So why announce it as long? His case on prplhz was weak, and when asked a second time why he thought that prplhz was still scummy, he never answered. His style is unnecessarily aggresive. VisceraEyes: His Filter shows 5 ingame posts, which is more than I have, but unlike me he is notorious for being very active borderline on spamming, trying to direct people and generally being helpful to town. He is completely lacking these features this game. His townread post is suspicious, I can't remember him making townlists like this in the last games? His behaviour currently reminds of the Bastard game we just were in, where he was SK. Ace: I don't like how he has basically been talking about game mechanics and shown no interest in hunting scum. However, I've read some games where he was in (last was space station) and I think this is part of his D1 play? Not entirely sure. Radfield: He would not have shown up in this list was it not for sbrubbles points. I think they are very legit, and I look forward to Radfields reaction. Again? I already answered to Radfield about that (who didn't seem to care) and to Bluelight (who didn't seem to care) and now you bring this up as well? As I wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 21:39 phagga wrote: @Radfield: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 19:22 Radfield wrote: Marvellosity, you need to step it up. More content please. Also, if you want filters do the work and make them yourself, it takes all of 5 minutes. This is the definition of a 'safe' post. Everything in this post is a popular opinion that has already been mentioned by someone else. It hits slightly on all the major points of this game, without going into detail on any of them. Zentor -> parroting Forumite and talking like Zentor is scum, yet not stating that explicitly nor voting for him. Visceraeyes -> following Toads lead(backed by me), and again indirectly talking as if Visceraeyes is scum(or SK), without actually saying it. Ace and Radfield -> again parroting others points and slinging a bit of mud towards two strong players, without actually calling them out. So phagga, what is your actual opinion here? You seem to think both Zentor and VE are scummy, yet are doing nothing about it. Additionally, I have responded to Shrubbles, what do you think of my response? My problem is that I have a hard time making out something new, something that has not been said yet. There is not much content so far (which is partially my fault), and there is a lot of game mechanics talk that does not really show anything about the alignement of players, specially as pretty much everyone involved in the discussion agrees on the general concept. What exactly do you expect? That I'm going to make stuff up only for the sake of being original? Also, You can believe me or not, but the fact that Ace was only talking about game mechanics and not trying to scum hunt crossed my mind before he was called out for this by someone else. Alas, I was too slow, so it looks like I'm parroting. I'm still a bit undecided on who to vote on, which is way I have not voted yet. I think it is going to be VisceraEyes for now, but I want to read through Zentors filter first. 1 I agree with you that it's no issue. 2 So you just fling some mud into a vets direction without any hard facts? 3So you have a good reason to vote VE, but withhold because... well, you keep us in the dark why you are not telling us. why can't you tell us? Is the explanation going to be so long, are you waiting for more info? I don't see you as scum atm. I just thought that sbrubbles actually saw two good points (the second and the third) and I wanted to point out that I share his sentiment and that I want your reaction too. On April 26 2012 06:24 MrZentor wrote: Switching to another target because I'm not getting lynched; also, I think a town would have pushed me harder to answer his question. He would also get frustrated with me. (See Prphlz) + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 05:31 phagga wrote: I still would have liked an answer from Zentor, looks like I won't get one. Also most people do no longer seem willing to lynch him. So for prplhz it's a town tell when he gets frustrated with you, and for me it's a scum tell? | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On April 26 2012 07:00 Radfield wrote: I think one of phagga or VE should be our lynch today, maybe snarfs. Those three are certainly at the top of my charts right now, though I still have yet to check marv. I'm going to spend some time and break the three of them down this evening, and see which one jumps out at me. A case is forthcoming. Could you also shortly explain me why you think that I'm scum? And please answer my question this time and don't ignore me again. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
First, answering phagga's question, s&b is town because after looking back his over all play seems townie and that scum wouldn't spend SO much time making a case and making a huge post on breaccrumbing. Next, After my procces of elimenation I feel that Sbrubbles is scum. Firstly LOL, he has barely 1 page of filter. Next, he 'says' that in the week day's he'll have more time, you spendin it on a qt bro?, Its been like what, THURSDAY!, and in the post he said that it was, MONDAY!, he has had over 3 day's of time but hasn't found time to contribute stuff to the thread. Also, as an answer to the second post I'd like to have you answer stuff other then 'yo blue! i didn't have any fucking time' I consider this unacceptable as he has found time post other stuff as well during the week. Third, Look at how brubbles has asserted himself with his reads, his reads seem like that he's setting up himself for example a lynch on marv, if we'll ever consider it again he'll just say this 'I also feel that marv is scum for reasons I pointed out before in my reads" so that he won't contirbute more stuff. And lastly, take out every one-liner and question from brubbles's filter it's very short aint it? Also, what VE pointed out on brubbles on his previous post (I think) that he was trying to add suspicion to VE without asserting himself, and again also because he keeps on pushing easy targets (marv,zentor). My process of elimenation: I elimenated every town read I have and got left with this: VE, Forumite, Srubbles, prplhz (I think that phagga is town because his answers to my pressure seemed town and he readily added stuff to respond to my point in the case agaisnt him, he explained his vote on marv etc) Out of this, I'm more confident that Forumite and brubbles are scum. VE im not very confident as scum but may be. prp im most sure is town out of the group. Now, you might ask ' But Blue! that only means that there are two scum', Ive begun thinking around and I think we should probably discuss this, In the last C9++ there was a 1 shot DT (Right?) when Probulous was a Godfather. I feel that this setup is a little the same with it as Radfield is a 1 shot DT. Now, I seriously believe that Ace is a GF for first, IF brubbles is scum, his no communication at all with Ace makes it a little suspicious that why are they not communicating in thread? Second, that Ace keeps on pushing MrZentor, MrZentor is clearly town in my eyes. Lastly, ##Unvote: phagga ##Vote: Sbrubbles | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
@Bluelightz, I agree that there might only be 2 scum. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Just a couple quick notes: I'll try to get a vote count when I wake up in 5-6 hours, apologies for not having done that yet. secondly, I have an exam that will end (hopefully) an hour before deadline. Thus the post may be delayed by a little bit, though I imagine I should be able to post from my phone. If Johnny can be there (though he said he can't) and I'm not he may post instead. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
MrZentor (9) prplhz MrZentor Forumite Ace Snarfs strongandbig marvellosity phagga Sbrubbles strongandbig (-) phagga (-) VisceraEyes (1) Radfield sbrubbles (1) Bluelightz Not Yet Voted (1) VisceraEyes | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5774 Posts
On April 26 2012 15:01 VisceraEyes wrote: Sbrubbles, I answered your post in my response to Radfield. The fact that you didn't realize that Radfield had asked me that too leads me to believe that you didn't even READ Radfield's case, and only popped in here to spread doubt on me because you saw that there WAS a case on me. Also, thanks for showing up from out of nowhere only to comment on this brah. I couldn't help but notice that you didn't mention MrZentor during your short return to the thread. You know, the leading lynch candidate? Actually no you didn't. You didn't answer my question at all. I'm not sure you even READ it. Let me rephrase it for you. Radfield's post: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 05:19 Radfield wrote: I don't think sbrubbles or snarfs are very good lynches. Honestly, I don't really feel like doing the last hour scramble, and I don't think we will net scum doing that anyways. I'd be fine with a marvellosity or bluelightz lynch, but I doubt that gets us anywhere either. However, no-lynching doesn't really do us any good. Right now we have lylo on day 4(assuming no SK), and if we no-lynch we still have mylo on Day 4. However, if there IS a serial killer in the mix, every extra townie will count. I'm just feeling a bit apathetic towards the lynch and don't feel like forcing through a mediocre candidate(again). Also, lynching me day 1 is never a good idea. Have you ever notice how pretty much the only time townies find me scummy on day 1 is when I am town? Man, I really don't have the energy for this right now. Apologies all, I will try to pick it up tonight. Notice how it says nothing about either 1) marv's meta, 2) marv's innocence, 3) marv's previous games or 4) prefering a no-lynch to lynching someone. In fact, he even considers lynching marv as an option, though he changes his mind later. He didn't "feel like forcing through a mediocre candidade", but that only means he didn't want to be the one pushing for marv. How can someone saying "I'm fine with a marvellosity lynch" lead you to rethinking about lynching him??? + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote: Rad made me rethink voting marv - I went back and reread the beginning of his newbie game that I read and he did find himself the victim of early suspicion. I'm willing to no-lynch in this situation. In my opinion a no-lynch is better than a mislynch in this situation and I'm not confident enough in any of the lurkers anymore - there has been a lot of activity here toward the end, and it's hard to tell if it's because there's a scum candidate or because no one wants a no-lynch or what. What do you think Toad? Do you think we should lynch a lurker or no-lynch? I'm okay with no-lynching to be frank. Also, I DID comment on MrZentor. You're the one not reading through the thread. But here's a hint for you. ##unvote MrZentor ##vote VisceraEyes I'll go back to MrZentor if it's necessary for a majority. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
okay, also look at how sbrubcles COMPLETELY ignore's my case when he came back and voting for a person with a horrible reason 'yo d00d, you didnt answer meh question, your soooo scum'. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Also he just tried to completely brush off pressure of being a voter of Zentor when Zentor is Mislynched. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On April 26 2012 21:15 Sbrubbles wrote: ##unvote MrZentor ##vote VisceraEyes I'll go back to MrZentor if it's necessary for a majority. What are you doing? Fine, you are making your point, you are suspicious of VE, but don´t unvote MrZentor because of that. Have you forgot this is a majority-lynch setup? We are only 12 people alive, but we still need 7 votes to lynch. With you taking your vote off MrZentor that leaves the total at 8, dangerously close to what we need. It will only take 2 more people to unvote and we´re back where we were yesterday, with another no-lynch day. You say you´ll revote if it´s needed for the majority but I can´t take your word for that, since you are the least active player in the game. You say you want to lynch MrZentor, but right now you are jeopardizing his lynch. | ||
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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
Why is posting so close scummy in my opinion? It's because that they must have discussed SOMETHING on irc or qt before that. | ||
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