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On April 26 2012 21:20 Bluelightz wrote:
So..... you guys just finished talking in a qt right :D
okay, also look at how sbrubcles COMPLETELY ignore's my case when he came back and voting for a person with a horrible reason 'yo d00d, you didnt answer meh question, your soooo scum'.
I'm sorry if your case is crap and doesn't deserve an answer. But how about I humor you and do it anyway?
+ Show Spoiler +On April 26 2012 18:22 Bluelightz wrote:
sup bros,
First, answering phagga's question, s&b is town because after looking back his over all play seems townie and that scum wouldn't spend SO much time making a case and making a huge post on breaccrumbing.
Next, After my procces of elimenation I feel that Sbrubbles is scum.
Firstly LOL, he has barely 1 page of filter.
Next, he 'says' that in the week day's he'll have more time, you spendin it on a qt bro?, Its been like what, THURSDAY!, and in the post he said that it was, MONDAY!, he has had over 3 day's of time but hasn't found time to contribute stuff to the thread.
Also, as an answer to the second post I'd like to have you answer stuff other then 'yo blue! i didn't have any fucking time'
I consider this unacceptable as he has found time post other stuff as well during the week.
So, your argument is that my filter is short. Well, so what? I've put plenty of thought into my posts. If you refuse to see the content in my posts, that's your problem.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 26 2012 18:22 Bluelightz wrote:
Third, Look at how brubbles has asserted himself with his reads, his reads seem like that he's setting up himself for example a lynch on marv, if we'll ever consider it again he'll just say this 'I also feel that marv is scum for reasons I pointed out before in my reads" so that he won't contirbute more stuff.
As I said, I agree with a marv lynch, especially if VE flips red (which I think he will).
+ Show Spoiler +On April 26 2012 18:22 Bluelightz wrote:
And lastly, take out every one-liner and question from brubbles's filter it's very short aint it? Also, what VE pointed out on brubbles on his previous post (I think) that he was trying to add suspicion to VE without asserting himself, and again also because he keeps on pushing easy targets (marv,zentor).
I wasn't planning on asserting myself through the vote because I felt there was/is no way to change the bandwagon to VE, so I didn't plan on asserting myself too much, but still tried to keep the ball alive for D3. Now Rad has also commented on VE, so I see that I'm not alone.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 26 2012 18:22 Bluelightz wrote:
My process of elimenation:
I elimenated every town read I have and got left with this:
VE, Forumite, Srubbles, prplhz
(I think that phagga is town because his answers to my pressure seemed town and he readily added stuff to respond to my point in the case agaisnt him, he explained his vote on marv etc)
Out of this, I'm more confident that Forumite and brubbles are scum. VE im not very confident as scum but may be. prp im most sure is town out of the group.
Now, you might ask ' But Blue! that only means that there are two scum', Ive begun thinking around and I think we should probably discuss this,
In the last C9++ there was a 1 shot DT (Right?) when Probulous was a Godfather. I feel that this setup is a little the same with it as Radfield is a 1 shot DT. Now, I seriously believe that Ace is a GF for first, IF brubbles is scum, his no communication at all with Ace makes it a little suspicious that why are they not communicating in thread? Second, that Ace keeps on pushing MrZentor, MrZentor is clearly town in my eyes.
Lastly,
##Unvote: phagga
##Vote: Sbrubbles
So your argument is that I haven't communicated much with Ace? I have not seen yet a point of contention between us. Also, he hasn't posted in the thread ever since the Zentor bandwagon was mostly secured.
@forumite: I get your point. I think I've said what I need to say about VE.
##unvote VisceraEyes
##vote MrZentor
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1 page of filter -> not much content in said filter.
you had time and you posted barely anything -> 'i dont care about contributing crap to the thread because im scum, hooray!'
VE will flip red -> what makes you so sure bro?
hmm, so you didnt want to assert too much, why's that? I'm forever alone trying to lynch you and fully changed my vote and made a complete case that didn't have a crap reason to vote you.
What's so important with having help? Radfield is just another player.
Tried to keep ball alive -> planning for tommorow's mislych r u?
the communication thing is that if your scum (which i think you are) your trying to not finger Ace if you get lynched. Probably Ace is happily chit-chatting with you in your scum qt if he's scum.
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I feel like there is much effort to throw around other suspects names' and derail the wagon on Mr.Zentor.
The same Zentor who showed up with his "20 hours later" post and didn't even attempt to convince anyone on his reads.
Are you people really this dumb?
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On April 26 2012 22:18 Ace wrote:
I feel like there is much effort to throw around other suspects names' and derail the wagon on Mr.Zentor.
The same Zentor who showed up with his "20 hours later" post and didn't even attempt to convince anyone on his reads.
Are you people really this dumb?
Yes, but what do you actually think of the Radfield VE case?
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I actually have VE as my third most scummy read and I think the most telling part of Radfield's post was when he called VE out for lack of trying to secure any lynch. I got the feeling VE didn't care WHO died Day 1 as long as it wasn't him.
But I think the activity once Radfield posted his case on VE is much more telling. There is an attempt to derail the Zentor wagon here: Bluelightz just brought up his 100th suspect in less than 24 hours, Zentor didn't even TRY to convince anyone of his reads, said "good job Radfield!" and um...he didn't even vote after that.
So was he convinced of Radfield's case on VE, or was he just like "good, hope this derails my wagon" and slumped off? I mean just look at his last posts: He says VE and phagga are obviously Scummy but doesn't vote for either one as if Radfield's case is going to do all the work.
And the amazing part is that both he and bluelightz have phagga and VE as a Scum team with no real case of their own on either player.
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I always wait to use my vote, stupid.
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On April 26 2012 21:43 Sbrubbles wrote:
As I said, I agree with a marv lynch, especially if VE flips red (which I think he will).
##unvote VisceraEyes
##vote MrZentor
Heyoooooo.
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EBWOP: to expand a little - isn't it a bit early to be going back to Zentor to secure a majority (deadline is quite a long way away still) if you really think VE is scum?
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On April 26 2012 22:35 MrZentor wrote:
I always wait to use my vote, stupid.
Waiting for what? If you say two people are Scum and don't even vote for them then you have no excuse. You aren't even trying to convince anyone that the people you called out are Scum.
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On April 26 2012 22:40 marvellosity wrote:
EBWOP: to expand a little - isn't it a bit early to be going back to Zentor to secure a majority (deadline is quite a long way away still) if you really think VE is scum?
Now that's a bit better. Yes, I could wait a bit to revert my vote, but I'm gonna have to leave 3 hours before the deadline (5 hours from now) and I doubt that a change to VE will be possible today. Also, I'm in favor of a Zentor lynch, so I don't want to risk a no-lynch.
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Here is my current standings on people before I sleep
1 Mr Zentor
2 SamuelLJackson (Toadesstern+sandroba hydra)
3 Radfield
4 Snarfs
5 VisceraEyes
6 Phagga
7 prplhz
8 strongandbig
9 Forumite
10 Sbrubbles
11 marvellosity
13 Ace
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On April 26 2012 22:35 MrZentor wrote:
I always wait to use my vote, stupid.
Right, thanks for reminding me that you voted yourself. I have no illusions that you want to get yourself lynched, so there are actually only 8 votes on you. Sbrubbles put his vote back on you, but we´re still just two unvotes from another no-lynch.
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Don't worry; I won't change my vote.
If you want a mislynch, you're going to get one.
I just hope town can make a comeback after my death.
+ Show Spoiler +Considering town has prphlz and forumite, I doubt that that's going to happen.
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On April 27 2012 01:30 MrZentor wrote:Don't worry; I won't change my vote. If you want a mislynch, you're going to get one. I just hope town can make a comeback after my death. + Show Spoiler +Considering town has prphlz and forumite, I doubt that that's going to happen.
If you are in fact town, what is your reasoning for needlessly antagonising other people? Does this help to find scum?
And as an aside, how are you sure prplhz and forumite are town?
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Yeah, I actually thought I had voted MrZentor already -.-
My bad.
##Vote: MrZentor
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VisceraEyes wrote in response to Radfield:
I actually was looking for that Radfield. I didn't realize I had to outline my thought-process so clearly, but what I found when reading your game was a tendency to lurk and pop in with short, directionless posts. That led me to posit that he might have just learned something from that experience and is choosing to instead just let others post and observe. I never would have reached this conclusion unless I had been convinced to go reread the early part of your game, which is why attributed my reasoning to you...not because I'm sheeping you or buddying you or whatever.
This was in my response to Radfield Sbrubbles.
This is dumb, people don't even want to read when attacking me. What's the point in defending myself?
When MrZentor flips red, can we please lynch the piss out of Sbrubbles?
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On April 27 2012 01:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +VisceraEyes wrote in response to Radfield:
I actually was looking for that Radfield. I didn't realize I had to outline my thought-process so clearly, but what I found when reading your game was a tendency to lurk and pop in with short, directionless posts. That led me to posit that he might have just learned something from that experience and is choosing to instead just let others post and observe. I never would have reached this conclusion unless I had been convinced to go reread the early part of your game, which is why attributed my reasoning to you...not because I'm sheeping you or buddying you or whatever. This was in my response to Radfield Sbrubbles. This is dumb, people don't even want to read when attacking me. What's the point in defending myself? When MrZentor flips red, can we please lynch the piss out of Sbrubbles?
Once again, you are talking nonsense and avoiding my question altogether. Rad, in his post, is questioning the way you used marv's metagame to clear him in that instance. I'm doing no such thing!!!
I'm questioning this part of your post:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rad made me rethink voting marv
Rad has NOTHING in his post that would make you rethink voting marv. Nothing about going back to the beggining and rereading. Nothing. In fact, his post is lightly pro-marv lynch. If you see something in the following post that says anything about marv's metagame, about going back to the beggining and about rereading or anything of that kind, please point it out:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2012 05:19 Radfield wrote:
I don't think sbrubbles or snarfs are very good lynches.
Honestly, I don't really feel like doing the last hour scramble, and I don't think we will net scum doing that anyways. I'd be fine with a marvellosity or bluelightz lynch, but I doubt that gets us anywhere either.
However, no-lynching doesn't really do us any good. Right now we have lylo on day 4(assuming no SK), and if we no-lynch we still have mylo on Day 4. However, if there IS a serial killer in the mix, every extra townie will count.
I'm just feeling a bit apathetic towards the lynch and don't feel like forcing through a mediocre candidate(again).
Also, lynching me day 1 is never a good idea. Have you ever notice how pretty much the only time townies find me scummy on day 1 is when I am town?
Man, I really don't have the energy for this right now. Apologies all, I will try to pick it up tonight.
Also, lemme quote the dead man again:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 25 2012 02:00 SamuelLJackson wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Rad made me rethink voting marv - I went back and reread the beginning of his newbie game that I read and he did find himself the victim of early suspicion.
I'm willing to no-lynch in this situation. In my opinion a no-lynch is better than a mislynch in this situation and I'm not confident enough in any of the lurkers anymore - there has been a lot of activity here toward the end, and it's hard to tell if it's because there's a scum candidate or because no one wants a no-lynch or what.
What do you think Toad? Do you think we should lynch a lurker or no-lynch? I'm okay with no-lynching to be frank. which basicly tells us that we don't lynch lurkers either, which brings me to the question: Are you the bad guy manipulating VE when he is uncertain or is VE the bad guy using your uncertainty to get out of this for whatever reason (hint: in this explanation marv would be mafia)
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On April 26 2012 09:24 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 08:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
How do you feel about MrZentor? I feel like a lot of people were throwing around "town" a lot in conjunction with MrZentor, so the fact that he didn't die overnight is kinda surprising to me. Taken with his mystifying self-vote immediately into D2, what do you think about him now? Straight up bizarre. No town player should have been remotely suspecting Zentor to get night-killed. There was no way mafia would ever kill him, he was way too massive of a distraction. If you are a townie, ask yourself this: Did you remotely expect Zentor to get killed night 1? This shows a massive disconnect in VE's thought process from what a typical town view should have been.
This was actually my way of pressuring Zentor - at this point I was convinced of Zentor's guilt based on the late-day shennanigans, and pointing out that he was still alive was my way of trying to pressure him into slipping up. Obviously he was in no danger of being night-killed if he's town, but I thought that saying as much might cause him to panic.
On April 26 2012 09:24 Radfield wrote:Show nested quote +Based on the fact that my scumreads are weak as hell after rereading (those who know me will notice a distinct lack of red text), I think scum are putting in way less effort than most everyone who's posting.
One more small contradiction. These two sentences do not make sense together. He claims first that he has no scumreads, yet then immediately claims that scum are putting less effort, which in theory would give you some really easy scumreads. If all the scum are just doggin it, then they should stick out like sore thumbs compared to "most everyone who's posting."
The problem with lurkers is that they look like everyone else who's not posting. I'm not sure exactly how many scum to expect, but it seems to me that if a couple of them aren't posting, then how do I separate those who are just lurking from those who are scummily lurking? I don't know, and that's why I was insecure about lynching anyone yesterday.
On April 26 2012 09:24 Radfield wrote:AND NOW A WORD FROM OUR SPONSORS!I'd like to take this commercial break to have you look at this quote, really look at it. Show nested quote +
Forumite: If you had asked me yesterday, I'd have said that between the two, Forumite/Zentor, Forumite looked worse. However, since Zentor has started looking worse, Forumite has proportionally started looking better based on how early he was on Zentor's shit yesterday. I'm going to have to go back through and reread their interactions once I hear what Zentor has been up to and make a judgement based on that. Right now, I'd say he's looking okay.
So first Forumite looked worse. However somehow Zentor and Forumite are on a see-saw, and forumite looks better the worse Zentor looks. This is ridiculous, and completely at odds with proper scum hunting, which VE knows full well. Additionally, here is VE's read from Day 1 on Forumite: Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 02:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
I think Forumite is town - but I think his MrZentor wagon is weak as shit, because I think Zentor is town too. :S Forumite is town, and in no way does VE insinuate that he finds Forumite scummy. Yet somehow on Day 2 Forumite has crawled his way up to only "looking okay", when VE clearly stated he saw Forumite as Town on Day 1. Conundrum and Contradiction.
Here's my problem with this conclusion - D1, I thought both Forumite and Zentor were town - but as I said in the post you quoted, if you'd asked me yesterday, between the two, I would have said that Forumite looks worse, based on his case on Zentor. You're right in that I never insinuated that I thought Forumite was scum, because I never did. But I thought he looked slightly worse than Zentor before dusk yesterday, and now I don't think that's the case. I don't see how this is a contradiction, and I don't see how this is evidence that I'm scum. I'm just trying to be transparent and open.
On April 26 2012 09:24 Radfield wrote:
AND WE"RE BACK!
I want to detail how I don't think VE really cared about our Day 1 lynch, but I'm having trouble setting it down in text, as I think it's kind of subtle. I'm not going to use quotes, so I highly recommend you go back and read the relevant section in VE's filter(or better yet, the full game text).
Short form is this:
VE never actually does any scum-hunting on Day 1, nor does he ever actually try to push a lynch. He bounces around, pushes a candidate here, throws some names out there, but never really commits. He begins by pushing an ace lynch, yet immediately after(as in next sentence) starts discussing lynching lurkers, particularly sbrubbles. His vote on Ace is so supremely weak that it doesn't merit a vote by a long shot.
He then switches onto sbrubbles for no reason than the fact that he has few posts. Yet sbrubbles few posts were jam packed with content, and showed obvious thought and care for the game.
VE keeps bouncing though, and it seems obvious to me that he was searching for an appropriate bandwagon. He makes plenty of weak suggestions - ace, myself, sbrubbles, marv - but refuses to run with any of them, and is constantly seeking approval of the other players.
I will also add that both VE's conciliatory tone, and lower than normal activity level raise my suspicions, but those are not by themselves scummy things. I think there is a body of evidence though that shows VE is not playing his usual town game, and is consistently displaying mafia thought patterns.
##Vote: Visceraeyes
I think your entire case is based on how you think I would act as town/scum. I'll admit to not being as glaringly town as I've been in the past, but I die N1 on games I do that shit and I'm tired of it. Instead, I thought I'd sit back and rape scum with observation instead of pressure and thread presence. Clearly it's gotten me into some trouble, but I am trying to win with town. I think you should vote for either MrZentor (today's lynch) or Sbrubbles (my preferred alternative).
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On April 27 2012 02:28 Sbrubbles wrote:I'm questioning this part of your post: Rad has NOTHING in his post that would make you rethink voting marv. Nothing about going back to the beggining and rereading. Nothing. In fact, his post is lightly pro-marv lynch. If you see something in the following post that says anything about marv's metagame, about going back to the beggining and about rereading or anything of that kind, please point it out:
Here you go.
On April 24 2012 04:34 Radfield wrote:
Marvellosity seems like an ok lynch, though in the newbie game(Newbie VI) I hosted, marvellosity really only posted one liners during day 1, which is what he's doing here as well. I'd like to compare and contrast the two game before I make any serious judgement.
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