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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 25 2012 23:25 phagga wrote: EBWOP ok I rushed my post... the formatting is off and the first part of forumite was not supposed to be part of this post, but whatever. What was the part about forumite supposed to be part of? | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 26 2012 01:23 Snarfs wrote: @marvellosity: Can you answer Bluelightz's question? Who would you lynch besides MrZentor today, and importantly, why? I wouldn't lynch anyone besides the guy who is playing a lot more scummy than anyone else. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 26 2012 01:37 marvellosity wrote: I wouldn't lynch anyone besides the guy who is playing a lot more scummy than anyone else. Sigh, you're doing an amazing job at sheeping Ace. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 26 2012 01:41 Snarfs wrote: Sigh, you're doing an amazing job at sheeping Ace. I'm going to take that as a compliment. It's not my fault Ace is thinking most logically. 1) there is someone behaving scummily 2) we lynch the person behaving scummily What's to disagree with? | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 26 2012 01:48 strongandbig wrote: The thing to disagree with is that by refusing to even discuss other scum reads, you're letting zentor kill off a full day of potentially useful discussion. Don't do that. Alright. Ask me a specific question and I will do my best to answer it. I just see no point in answering the "besides the scummy guy, who would you lynch?", because... we lynch the scummy guy. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 26 2012 01:49 marvellosity wrote: Alright. Ask me a specific question and I will do my best to answer it. I just see no point in answering the "besides the scummy guy, who would you lynch?", because... we lynch the scummy guy. Fine, let me rephrase the question. Besides, MrZentor, who do you think is scum? I'm not trying to suggest we switch lynches today. I'm just trying to see some of your original thoughts. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On April 26 2012 01:53 Snarfs wrote: Fine, let me rephrase the question. Besides, MrZentor, who do you think is scum? I'm not trying to suggest we switch lynches today. I'm just trying to see some of your original thoughts. That's the same question, I understand you weren't suggesting we switch lynches for today. But, nonetheless - I was somewhat irritated by Radfield's cop claim, as realistically for now I think it has to be accepted it. But there has been something off about his posts. On April 21 2012 10:24 Radfield wrote: My challenge for you this game is to have zero 1 liners. If you are going to post, make sure it actually serves a purpose. Do some analysis and make sure that your opinions have actual reasoning behind them, and show that reasoning. This was directed at Bluelightz, but I'm linking it as relevant to what he thinks townies should be doing. On April 22 2012 11:35 Radfield wrote: That is some weak sauce Zentor. Mini jab at Zentor, ok. On April 23 2012 19:41 Radfield wrote: As far as Zentor, he seems classically townie to me. Forumite was talking about how he was nervous and defensive, but I don't really see that at all. If anything, he seemed unconcerned with his defense, and unafraid of the ramifications of his actions. His case on you was a bit premature, but I appreciate the effort. Actually, upon rereading that part of the thread in context, his case does seem a bit forced. I think had forumite not pressured him to continue posting why he thought you were scum, he would not have posted his case against you. Again though, I don't really see it as a sign of scum. It's not a plus, but it's not enough to make me see him as scum. Now Zentor seems townie because of his faux-case at the start of Day 1. On April 25 2012 00:41 Radfield wrote: I think Zentor is town. His posting was casual and confident to start the game, he seems unafraid of consequences in his posting and is not looking to make friends. He is also seemingly shooting from the hip, posting whatever seems to come to him when it comes to him. Additionally he has been confident and cocky about his own towniness, above and beyond what I would expect of a mafia player. I dislike this "above and beyond what I would expect of a mafia player". Mafia players as a tendency don't simply play to people's expectations, otherwise they'd be easier to find. On April 25 2012 06:22 Radfield wrote: Zentor I have commented on already. I think his play is strongly town aligned this game, though I have no meta to compare to. He's been cavalier in his actions and attitude, and nothing he has done really rubs me the wrong way. His case on prplhz was weak, but I don't think it stemmed from a mafia mindset. I just don't understand this. Strongly townie aligned by a non-case followed by incessant trolling? What? On April 25 2012 19:11 Radfield wrote: I don't like this Zentor lynch. I feel like the case on Zentor is that he hasn't been playing like a nice safe contributory townie(which is how scum play). Instead he's been playing like he doesn't give a shit and being disruptive and arrogant. It's like he's trying to look as scummy as possible. This is still bullshit to me. The case on Zentor is that he's been scummy and not playing pro-town, therefore he is town? Crap reasoning. Here I would remind you of the quote from earlier, how Radfield would want townie to play: On April 21 2012 10:24 Radfield wrote: My challenge for you this game is to have zero 1 liners. If you are going to post, make sure it actually serves a purpose. Do some analysis and make sure that your opinions have actual reasoning behind them, and show that reasoning. How does this hold up to his opinion on Zentor in any way? It doesn't. Just going through filter I find it amazing how many times he's defended Zentor because he's been playing too trolly/confident - despite it being the opposite of what he expects a good townie to be doing. | ||
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strongandbig
United States4858 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [Example] + On April 25 2012 23:22 phagga wrote: Forumite: He has focused a lot on Zentor, and barely spoke about anyone else. He posted frequently, asking a lot of questions. I haven't noticed anything particulary scummy, but it's the same in the other direction. LOL, ok, so... Why the change of mind? What did you find that makes s&b town now? I already discussed this in this post, as Radfield brought up the same point. Those were an answer to this question. Yeah, I actually thought I lined out on D1 why I found him susicious. Rereading my own filter now I see this is not correct. So in short, the reasons I'm voting him:
This is from the top of my head and my notes, without rereading his filter. First: There was no votecount for a long time. I intended to help. That's not the first game I've done that. Second: That was shortly before the deadline. I wanted people to know that I will be no longer around as a lot of discussion was going on at that time. Also: But then I checked his profile, and he's been a formatting tryhard before in other games; for some examples how about + Show Spoiler [Aperture] + On April 03 2012 15:21 phagga wrote: Derp indeed.
everyone else: GET ACTIVE! + Show Spoiler [snmm] + On March 13 2012 22:48 phagga wrote: So, the bandwagon on FirmTofu was rolling to easy. There was no opposition. As scum profits from mislynches, I am sure we will find at least 1 if not 2 scum on the voters of FirmTofu. Here's the final voting stand on FirmTofu again: FirmTofu (7): phagga, Eleanthas, Janaan, Gossemerr, Mementoss, Seviro, cosine, Janaan: He agrees on FirmTofu, and brings up Koritora as new suspect after the lynch with good reason. Does not look suspicious. Gossemerr: Trying to be active and helpful, lacking some content. Went a bit overboard with the "specific scenario" argument vs Nova_Tera IMO, but I think that's not an issue. Also brought up that noone is defending FirmTofu, although he again was not the first one to do so. I hope to get some analysis from him soon, currently a null read. Mementoss: Very active, posting analysis. Brought up Eleanthas, stated his position on several players. Does not look suspicious. Seviro: another rather active player, although content may be debatable. I hope to get some analysis from him soon, currently a null read. cosine: He speaks out several times vs a lurker lynch on Day1, but then jumps easily on the FirmTofu bandwagon to lynch a lurker. Besides defending himself, he did not add anything substantial. I don't like that. Eleanthas: His posting is still lacking, he actually only reiterated the wordings of others. His only longer post is this one: On March 13 2012 01:57 Eleanthas wrote: Ok. Sorry for not responding. Saw discussion towards me at school with my phone, but really hard to write anything with it so decided to wait untill I come home. Anyway have been busy atm. Will change now.1 So what Can i say about first post. It was really just a post to tell people I'm alive. In some forums, you get replaced if you don't speak on first half of day, so I guess I followed that rule there. Had really nothing to say. Just plain stupid first post from me.2 About Nova_Terra: He seems eager to accuse anybody scum if given even a small chance. I guess he is trying to presure players to talk to get discussion going on. Doesn't seem too scummy for me, but have to keep eye on him.3 So what I think about InfernOokami7: beside that post he has 4 post saying pretty much same. I guess he is trying to lurk by stating same thing in many posts. Would like to hear about him.4 And lastly about FirmTofu: Like many others pointed out FirmTofu posted 2 fast posts. Seems kinda suspicous to me. Telling to pick one of the lurkers and listing them and then vanishing. If we don't hear about him, my vote is gonna go for him.5 ##Vote FirmTofu 1 + 2 Apologizes for not posting earlier, then calls his own first post stupid, although the post itself was not that bad. The fact that he did not post more after this short oneliner was bad. 3 Seviro, Mementoss and Sbrubbles already pointed out the exact same thing. Actually, just take a look at Mementoss phrase: On March 12 2012 02:33 Mementoss wrote: I agree with this post, it seems NovaTerra is eager to FoS despite how early in the game it was, which seems a little suspicious. But, it is most likely just a pressure play, to get the discussion rolling, and people talking. Eleanthas post is the same content with different wording. 4 Was brought up in a similar form by Mementoss. 5 Was brought up by pretty much everyone active in the thread at that time. So, he actually said nothing. The comments on each of his 3 "suspects" are really short and only repeat thoughts brought up by others. For me, he is one of the more suspect persons in the game. ##FoS: Eleanthas So I no longer think that's a scumtell for him. So on to who I do think is scum at the moment. First, there's the Zentor question. With someone behaving so oddly, it's very hard not to wifom about the implications. I'll do that plenty, but I just thought that maybe we should save that for after we know whether he'll flip town or not. If we start talking about how we will interpret future events, it kind of tells the mafia how to manipulate us during the time before we actually get to the lynch. So some other thoughts. [b]VE, what is the ups? Why are you playing so differently from normal? Your filter is less than twice as long as mine, which is really not what I'd expect. Interesting fact: VE was also the first to change his vote officially to "no lynch." (His vote was on sbrubbles before, so it was effectively a no lynch vote already.) I'm not entirely sure what to make of that; on the one hand, why change your vote and draw attention to yourself as scum when your vote is already getting the same result? On the other hand, a couple of people followed him and voted "no lynch" instead of potentially joining one of the bandwagons, so maybe it was a tactic that achieved it's effect. [b]Ace, we already have more than a majority voting to lynch Zentor. You've said you want to focus on his lynch and not discuss other potential scum because it "just throws more names out there." Now that the Zentor lynch seems to be pretty much the status quo, what do you suggest we discuss, if not our scum reads on other people? Also for some reason every time I try to preview this post the bolding on Ace and VE's names doesn't show up. Hopefully it will show up in the actual post but if it doesn't, just mentally bold it for me. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 26 2012 02:07 marvellosity wrote: That's the same question, I understand you weren't suggesting we switch lynches for today. But, nonetheless - I was somewhat irritated by Radfield's cop claim, as realistically for now I think it has to be accepted it. But there has been something off about his posts. This was directed at Bluelightz, but I'm linking it as relevant to what he thinks townies should be doing. Mini jab at Zentor, ok. Now Zentor seems townie because of his faux-case at the start of Day 1. I dislike this "above and beyond what I would expect of a mafia player". Mafia players as a tendency don't simply play to people's expectations, otherwise they'd be easier to find. I just don't understand this. Strongly townie aligned by a non-case followed by incessant trolling? What? This is still bullshit to me. The case on Zentor is that he's been scummy and not playing pro-town, therefore he is town? Crap reasoning. Here I would remind you of the quote from earlier, how Radfield would want townie to play: How does this hold up to his opinion on Zentor in any way? It doesn't. Just going through filter I find it amazing how many times he's defended Zentor because he's been playing too trolly/confident - despite it being the opposite of what he expects a good townie to be doing. Thank you. This is actually really helpful for town (whether you're town or scum), and it both echoes some concerns I've had about Radfield, as well as brings up some new ones. My main question is this: Why is Radfield more concerned with telling us how innocent MrZentor is than pushing an alternative target who he thinks might actually be scum? It seems so scum-motivated. But, I agree that we have to give his claim the benefit of the doubt and see what he can come up with for reads tonight. If he is lying it will bite him in the ass later so I'm trying to focus my attention elsewhere for now. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 26 2012 02:37 strongandbig wrote: Also for some reason every time I try to preview this post the bolding on Ace and VE's names doesn't show up. Hopefully it will show up in the actual post but if it doesn't, just mentally bold it for me. + Show Spoiler [Offtopic] + There are some Bluelightz quotes in there which are missing the closing bracket on the [ /b ] tag. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 26 2012 01:41 Snarfs wrote: Sigh, you're doing an amazing job at sheeping Ace. Having 2 Aces is better than 1 imo S&b: Ace, we already have more than a majority voting to lynch Zentor. You've said you want to focus on his lynch and not discuss other potential scum because it "just throws more names out there." Now that the Zentor lynch seems to be pretty much the status quo, what do you suggest we discuss, if not our scum reads on other people? I didn't know we hit majority on Zentor. I'll wait for his flip before tossing more names around. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 25 2012 09:52 MrZentor wrote: 1. I'll wait for around another 20 hours max for the masons. Time's up. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:06 Ace wrote: Don't tell me you actually believed him hahahaha Can't say I didn't expect more effort (from scum or town). | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
Snarfs, what do you think about the players you asked me about? Specifically marvelosity. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
SamuelLJackson- dead Radfield/Ace- claim MrZentor- me I'm less sure of these people's innocence, but I feel that it's unlikely that they're scum. prphlz- he seems genuinely frustrated with me and how I appear "scummy" + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 06:39 prplhz wrote: MrZentor ..... TELL ME WHY THE HELL YOU DECIDED THAT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO BE ALL AGGRESSIVE IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS GAME RIGHT NOW everybody agrees that your case was weak and i think it looks really fake, full of dumb contradictions and grasping in the thin air, tell me why you decided to be all pissed off and make bad cases instead of playing your usual game? I'm also going to vote marvellosity just to get a lynch. I prefer lynches to no lynches and I don't think that marvellosity is clear townie at all. Forumrite- he has been pushing my lynch regardless of town's opinions, and also seems like he actually thinks I'm scum (lol) marv- he's playing the same noobie town he did in SS; there are also several posts which I feel scum wouldn't post + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 05:32 marvellosity wrote: Because I'm new and bad, obviously + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 06:03 marvellosity wrote: I would like to note that there has been no opposition to the growing bandwagon of my lynch when clearly scum has had the options to direct the vote almost anywhere with a maximum of 2 votes on any one person. Bluelightz- he has been going against town's lynch of me today and also gave good reasons on why I'm not scum (see Sum of All Fears); this could be a scum move to get town credit after I am lynched, but I feel that isn't probable considering how he's been doing it strongandbig- his time for the time pad was extremely simple and could only help town; he also considers the idea that I'm sk-I don't think scum would ever consider something so ridiculously idiotic I know what you're thinking: "MrZentor, we already agreed throwing around town reads isn't helpful." Well, we only have five people left, so in this case it IS helpful. Even if I let one scum slip into my town reads, the odds of the people below being scum are still much higher than if I randomly picked a person. Of these, I'm confident at least two are scum. Snarfs- He seemed pretty suspicious because he asked so many questions but presented so little analysis, but I am less convinced of his scumminess because of him trying to find who people consider scummy besides me. VisceraEyes- I have a null read on him; the seemingly random absences are suspicious, but I don't see any good in thread evidence against him. Phagga- He has posted a lot of fluffy posts, and he accused me but switched to an easier lynch after it became obvious that I wasn't to be lynched Fluffy post! + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2012 16:22 phagga wrote: ok, catching up. game mechanics stuff: - Hydras should sign. Everything else lowers transparency for town. - After reading all the pros and cons, I'd support a mason claim day 2. Reason: Many Vets + 2 masons = too many targets to handle for scum. D3 might be too late because of counterclaim (depends on nightkills and SK situation). On to more important stuff in no particular order: Mr. Zentor: I don't like how his "really long post" was actually not long at all, but only full of quotes. If we ignore the quotes, the post was quite short. So why announce it as long? His case on prplhz was weak, and when asked a second time why he thought that prplhz was still scummy, he never answered. His style is unnecessarily aggresive. VisceraEyes: His Filter shows 5 ingame posts, which is more than I have, but unlike me he is notorious for being very active borderline on spamming, trying to direct people and generally being helpful to town. He is completely lacking these features this game. His townread post is suspicious, I can't remember him making townlists like this in the last games? His behaviour currently reminds of the Bastard game we just were in, where he was SK. Ace: I don't like how he has basically been talking about game mechanics and shown no interest in hunting scum. However, I've read some games where he was in (last was space station) and I think this is part of his D1 play? Not entirely sure. Radfield: He would not have shown up in this list was it not for sbrubbles points. I think they are very legit, and I look forward to Radfields reaction. Switching to another target because I'm not getting lynched; also, I think a town would have pushed me harder to answer his question. He would also get frustrated with me. (See Prphlz) + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 05:31 phagga wrote: I still would have liked an answer from Zentor, looks like I won't get one. Also most people do no longer seem willing to lynch him. VE slowly gets better, however i don't really agree with his initial lynch targets. Marvellosity is looking worse. The fact that he is just blatantly sheeping s&b without trying to put a little effort into his vote after a day of complete apathy to scumhunting looks suspicious enough. ##Vote: marvellosity Sbrubbles- He switched easily from VE to marv; he also sheeps everybody else on my lynch today. I feel like phagga by far looks the scummiest. | ||
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